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Dec 11, 2014 8:49 AM

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The ending was too simple but overall is good !!
 
Dec 11, 2014 8:50 AM

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It it is true...then this is kindl of a mess-up.

And that true Dragon Cavalier armor is pretty sleek.


Is this for real? That's really different from the source material then. Talk about anime original ending. I didn't mind the ending though, but now it makes me want to read the LN. Although I'm sure the outcome will be the same.

All those images look really cool, especially the Gaz + Niva one - looks really sci-fi and cyber punk-ish, which is really cool. And yes, this dragon armour looks pretty badass too. Not sure how I feel about Bones leaving out that Tooru becomes a half-Chaika. I mean they rushed so much, might as well have cramped this in into a 15 second time frame too (like season 1 when the other girl becomes half Chaika). Although it's still possible for this to happen in the OVA, although I'm overall satisfied with the ending.

Also I like it more how Tooru becomes a Dragon Cavalier in the anime, because here it's his own decision, where as in the LN as stated, Frederica forces him into becoming one (even though she does it for their own good I imagine).

Edit: I just realised the LN is still publishing. It's fine then, because there would have been no other way for Bones to adapt it without an original ending. The only minus is the rush job, otherwise it's not really a big deal.


He does not turn into a half chaika. the contract of being a dragon cavalier made his hair glow white the same as federica's dragon armor color. The ending for the LN and the Anime ended differently but more or less the same conclusion. the only problem is the last episode was rushed so they had to make a few changes. it should have had 2 more episodes but im satisfied.

P.s If nobody knows yet Hitsugi no Chaika has been approved to have a western Publication by yen press
 
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HandsomeMan said:
DejWoSWK said:


It it is true...then this is kindl of a mess-up.

And that true Dragon Cavalier armor is pretty sleek.


Is this for real? That's really different from the source material then. Talk about anime original ending. I didn't mind the ending though, but now it makes me want to read the LN. Although I'm sure the outcome will be the same.

All those images look really cool, especially the Gaz + Niva one - looks really sci-fi and cyber punk-ish, which is really cool. And yes, this dragon armour looks pretty badass too. Not sure how I feel about Bones leaving out that Tooru becomes a half-Chaika. I mean they rushed so much, might as well have cramped this in into a 15 second time frame too (like season 1 when the other girl becomes half Chaika). Although it's still possible for this to happen in the OVA, although I'm overall satisfied with the ending.

Also I like it more how Tooru becomes a Dragon Cavalier in the anime, because here it's his own decision, where as in the LN as stated, Frederica forces him into becoming one (even though she does it for their own good I imagine).

Edit: I just realised the LN is still publishing. It's fine then, because there would have been no other way for Bones to adapt it without an original ending. The only minus is the rush job, otherwise it's not really a big deal.


We can still hope for an adaptation that won't skip any of the source material in the future.
 
Dec 11, 2014 9:48 AM

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He does not turn into a half chaika. the contract of being a dragon cavalier made his hair glow white the same as federica's dragon armor color. The ending for the LN and the Anime ended differently but more or less the same conclusion. the only problem is the last episode was rushed so they had to make a few changes. it should have had 2 more episodes but im satisfied.


Yeah, I'm satisfied too. But what do you mean the LN ending; it says the LN is still publishing?
 
Dec 11, 2014 10:45 AM

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As the majority of people have already said, the last few episodes were very rushed. Would have been much better if it was 12 or 13 episodes long instead of 10. Very hard to believe that the fight with Emperor Gaz would only last an episode and that he would be killed so easily when he was supposed to be such a badass. It also would have been nice to see more fighting during the tournament.
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Dec 11, 2014 10:57 AM

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The end is a bit fast but it is ok.



I appreciated this anime, all the episodes was good but not exceptional. The end is successful too. But I would have liked one or two more episodes. 8/10
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Dec 11, 2014 11:57 AM

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They really should have made it 12 episodes, they could've done a lot more with the ending than Gaz roflstomping Cavalier Toru repeatedly, then having Niva betray him (without Gaz reacting in the least) and sucking out Chaika's memories in order to blow him to smithereens. Gaz seemed neither surprised nor concerned with Niva's betrayal, up until his seven layers of protection got blasted to nothing and he went kaboom.

Still, at least we got an ending to the story, even if it was rushed as hell. They also failed to let us know just how much of her memory got sucked out by Niva's megablast, and whether or not Toru had to rebuild his relationship with her from step 1. At least we got to see happy endings for everyone. Well, except Niva, who gets locked away until the next Big Bad decides to use her to blow up the world again.

8/10 despite a subpar ending, let's hope the OVA explains more about how much White Chaika remembers.
 
Dec 11, 2014 12:49 PM

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The only part of the final showdown that felt rushed to me was how quickly that gundo switched sides. I can understand her being reluctant to shoot Chaika, but to just go over and then kill the Emperor, i don't know. Rest of the story didn't feel rushed to me. I don't know what you ppl are talking about. Of course they're gonna kill the Emp right away, before he can consolidate his power.
 
Dec 11, 2014 12:55 PM

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Seems I'm not the only one thinking that was a bit rushed, but it still was a nice ending. The part with Niva switching the side so fast was a bit awkward though...
And as everyone else I'm curious about the state of Chaikas memory.

About the LN ending, wasn't the writer supposed to be working with BONES, so they could get like the same ending? I guess the outcome is the same, but still...

I'll miss this show, but I'm excited for the OVA!
 
Dec 11, 2014 1:15 PM

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Am I the only one who hated Tooru becoming a Dragoon Cavalier? I mean I loved the sabateur Tooru so why :')
 
Dec 11, 2014 1:32 PM
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P.s If nobody knows yet Hitsugi no Chaika has been approved to have a western Publication by yen press
LN or Manga?
 
Dec 11, 2014 3:07 PM

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"Niva has personality." - Ends up stuck in gundo mode imprisoned in a glass case. Thanks for saving the world.


I thought the exact same thing watching those scenes that was pretty big wtf moment to me. Just one more disappointment on top of the multiple others this final rushed episode brought me unfortunately.
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Dec 11, 2014 3:31 PM

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well they just put a big period on it on the plot about "Reason why Chaika collects the remains of Gaz and put a funeral for him" and literally she did

the only bad thing is the last scene its kinda not very smart to put like that, it puts people lingering "what happened to them?"
they should put a small narration during the ending scene so people will understand the changes happened all of them

well lets hope something convincing this upcoming OVA next year
 
Dec 11, 2014 3:38 PM

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THAT'S how it ended? Overall I enjoyed the series, but the last few episodes have been very anticlimactic. And going from the end of the battle to not even a 5 minute epilogue isn't a satisfying conclusion at all :/

There were still some nice moments and all the Chaika's are too adorable, especially Red.

Elmm said:
"Niva has personality." - Ends up stuck in gundo mode imprisoned in a glass case. Thanks for saving the world.
That was probably the funniest part of this whole thing
 
Dec 11, 2014 4:25 PM

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What can I say?

Bones you had one Job .... and you did very well !

I very like it:
-Conclusion
-Happy Ending

Whats more to come ? - We get OVA hopefully with some Epilogue / After Story.
 
Dec 11, 2014 4:42 PM

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Niva suddenly turning good and and absolutely obliterating Gaz in seconds was such a deus ex machina asspull. Really, the entire episode felt incredibly rushed. Black Chaika and Shun were also defeated way too easily.

It was enjoyable battle/adventure series overall with a disappointing and rushed ending.

Elmm said:
"Niva has personality." - Ends up stuck in gundo mode imprisoned in a glass case. Thanks for saving the world.


This.
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Dec 11, 2014 5:15 PM
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what's with the rushed ending? the pace is kinda slow all this time... just for a rushed ending
but 8/10 overall...

OVA confirmed?
well... you know...
we either die before it released
or live long enough to see the fact that it's a fanservice OVA
 
Dec 11, 2014 5:39 PM

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How true is this comment I found on YT?
"What happened in the LN

-Tournament Arc Starts
-Toru and the Gang decided to enter the tournament
-Toru entered the tournament with Frederica while Chaika, Akari and Niva went scouting.
-Akari and her group got captured. see https://data.archive.moe/board/a/image/1412/65/1412657538746.jpg DAT ASS THOUGH!!
-Toru and Frederica vs NOTGillette and Boxhead guy. see http://i.4cdn.org/a/1418247322458.jpg
-Toru gets beaten by Gilette very badly and lost unconsciousness so Frederica takes him away.
-After Tooru wakes up, Frederica asks him to make a contract, but Toru still refuses to have one so Frederica RIPPED his throat out to force him to make a contract with her.
-THIS IS WHAT THE REAL ARMOR LOOKS LIKE!!! see http://i.4cdn.org/a/1418246728723.jpg
-Toru won the competition, and meets Hartgen and Guy
-Guy explains that he is an apostle of God the same as Gaz
-Gaz was given the task by God to help the humanity advance, however he cuts all ties he have with God, because he wants war and not peace
-Guy gets sent by God to collect all parts and kill Gaz after his reborn, but Gaz kills him
-Gaz asks Toru and Gilette what they want as a reward
-Gaz suggested that Toru, Gilette and Him could unite the world as the three emperors, they refuse.

THE REAL SEXY GAZ!! http://i.4cdn.org/a/1418249856304.jpg

End of Volume 10

Volume 11 spoiler - Toru becomes a half Chaika, see hair.

http://i.4cdn.org/a/1418246854887.jpg

BONES YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!!"

Dat niva ass tho.

Wow, this ending would be so much better if it was true. It was unlikely that the LN did all that exposition dump in 1 sitting like we got in ep 9.

Woulda even even more shocked at the reveal with all that 'god' stuff. Oh well... won't be the first or the last time that anime studios screw up an adaptation / rush an ending.

I mean, if you're gonna rush something, at least do it for a small scene or chapter... not the damn ending, geniuses.
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Dec 11, 2014 7:37 PM
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I do agree that the ending was a bit rushed, but I feel more like it was straight to the point, I was more worried that with only one episode left, it wouldn't be able to neatly wrap everything up, but I feel the series did a great job at going out with a bang. I almost flipped out when I thought Chaika might have actually died at the end of the fight, but overall, I'm pleased.
 
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So they just let Niva got lock there? The ending feel rush though.
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

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Dec 11, 2014 10:47 PM
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Yup. Totally anime original ending :(
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Dec 11, 2014 11:40 PM
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definitely rushed but satisfying.
 
Dec 12, 2014 2:21 AM
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Elmm said:
"Niva has personality." - Ends up stuck in gundo mode imprisoned in a glass case. Thanks for saving the world.


I thought the exact same thing watching those scenes that was pretty big wtf moment to me.

How Niva ended up was definitely ironic considering that's why she even switched sides. The moment she went from Gaz to Chaika felt really random, almost nonsensical because aside from her apparently having a personality. It's weird because at first she went to Guy's side, and then destroys so much shit with Gaz but then she goes, oh wait, can't kill white Chaika because she was the only one who treated me like a person. Mhmm. Still can't get over it because that's pretty much how they beat Gaz. Because the OP weapon switched sides.

Like everyone said, super rushed episode...this series had some really funny moments (due to Akari, thank you imouto with a weird sense of love), and I really liked the combat scenes. The story was fairly interesting, but for some reason I still didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. I don't even care what happens at the end between Tooru and Chaika. It's good she's still alive, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't have her memories anymore. She had to use her memories as fuel, and that last shot was super powerful...no way she still has her memories. Anyways, looks like this will be anime that I will forget after awhile. It was solid for the most part, but it didn't give me the feeling of wanting the episodes to come out faster or anything and I wasn't super invested in it.

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Wow if that's the real way it went, that would've been far more interesting to watch. Gaz and Tooru's armor look awesome, more so than in the anime. Why did they change the armor...and what, Tooru becomes half Chaika?
 
Dec 12, 2014 2:26 AM

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Ooh, I was expecting to see a tease for another season after the credits like they did last time.
Overall, I thought the anime was pretty mediocre. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. I would have been happy with a few more episodes at least.
 
Dec 12, 2014 4:24 AM

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So this is the end. I thought Fredrica was a goner there ;( Knew Niva would have some part to do with the end of Gaz but all she gets for that is to be locked up forever, wtf? Chaika's memory/health was affected? What about her and Tooru's relationship?! And Red Chaika ditched her group??? Hope the OVA is not all fanservice, need some explanations.
 
Dec 12, 2014 4:58 AM

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Yes, this episode was rushed but at least has a good conclusion for the series.

But, my biggest question is Chaika's backstory, I mean what is her connection to Gaz' "daughter" and what are her implanted memories (but glad to see her way of speak in the lasy scene). They didn't explained about the scar in the neck of Red and Vivi Chaika too.

Poor Frederica, had little moments in this episode and I heard that it was explained in the LN what she is truly.

So overall, yes the series has still a lot of questions unanswered but I'm still glad for my Chaika and Toru OTP. 7/10, can't wait for the OVA!
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Dec 12, 2014 6:25 AM

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I was reminded of one thing ... in S1, episode 9, Chaika says it is impossible to choose which memories to use as magic fuel ...
I wonder then why she lose only the fake momories ? We have to trust designers that said "she lost all her implanted memories" ?

For me she could have lost them both, true and fake (or the majority of them), but with Toru by hes side she will be able to create new ones !
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Dec 12, 2014 6:32 AM

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I was not expecting much from this last episode, but even if the story was a little too fast to become the combat engaging in the right way, the story failed to satisfy me, putting an end to the events.
Too bad it did not have time to be familiar with all the characters.
The studio Bones, in this second season, has worked much better, making some good animations and drawings have appeared almost always well finished.
I wonder if there will ever be a third season.
For now my final vote is 7/10!
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Rushed but i enjoy it.
I`m gonna missed all the characters especially Chaika.

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Dec 12, 2014 8:21 AM

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Hmm that was okay, maybe i expected too much... overall i saw it coming that she would use her own memories in the end. It was good but not better than first season, overall i give it 7/10.. 7.5 preferably but that is not possible.
 
Dec 12, 2014 10:23 AM

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the story was actually interesting, but why did they end it like that? :( i mean, its sooo rushed. *sigh~* instead of me giving it a 10, it went down to 7..
still like Chaika though.

just wants to clear something though, chaika's memory were erased right?
 
Dec 12, 2014 10:44 AM

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the story was actually interesting, but why did they end it like that? :( i mean, its sooo rushed. *sigh~* instead of me giving it a 10, it went down to 7..
still like Chaika though.

just wants to clear something though, chaika's memory were erased right?


Only the false memories of her being Gaz' s daughter were erased. so basically she is now free with her own will. She is still recovering from that whole ordeal but she still remembers Toru and Akari and the adventure she had so no worries.

This has been confirmed by the producers twitter page although they messed it up by not adding the dialogue at the end as because of what everyone else said it was a rushed job
 
Dec 12, 2014 11:28 AM

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I like the episode for the art and animations.

felt a ton like a [u]gecko[/u] ending tho

mediocre ending: it felt rushed, but I can't be surprised
I don't consider myself a good judge.

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Dec 12, 2014 11:33 AM

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Shocking Truth! Hitsugi no Chaika end :O ,
Episode were so rushed as expected -
Tooru finally made a contrat with Fredrica and
defeat Shin fight took a second, Gaz die so fast and by white Chaika.
Anyway i really like the ending = 7/10 for this season.
 
Dec 12, 2014 11:34 AM

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Well waiting for the OVA to this.
 
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This ending was obviously rushed, but at least it wrapped everything up nicely, unlike other shows I've seen before. Overall it was good, I expected everything that happened to happen EXCEPT Toru becoming a Dragoon. Goddamn he was OP.

Bummed their was no ending kissu between any characters. I'd love to see that happen, guess I just have to rely on Doujinshi for that.

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Only the false memories of her being Gaz' s daughter were erased. so basically she is now free with her own will. She is still recovering from that whole ordeal but she still remembers Toru and Akari and the adventure she had so no worries.

This has been confirmed by the producers twitter page although they messed it up by not adding the dialogue at the end as because of what everyone else said it was a rushed job


Would you mind linking this twitter post? I wont believe that until I see it, and I cannot seem to find the twitter.
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Dec 12, 2014 3:03 PM

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What its over? Clearly ten episodes wasn't enough to wrap up the entire series. Very underwhelming.
 
Dec 12, 2014 3:05 PM

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This ending was obviously rushed, but at least it wrapped everything up nicely, unlike other shows I've seen before. Overall it was good, I expected everything that happened to happen EXCEPT Toru becoming a Dragoon. Goddamn he was OP.

Bummed their was no ending kissu between any characters. I'd love to see that happen, guess I just have to rely on Doujinshi for that.

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Only the false memories of her being Gaz' s daughter were erased. so basically she is now free with her own will. She is still recovering from that whole ordeal but she still remembers Toru and Akari and the adventure she had so no worries.

This has been confirmed by the producers twitter page although they messed it up by not adding the dialogue at the end as because of what everyone else said it was a rushed job


Would you mind linking this twitter post? I wont believe that until I see it, and I cannot seem to find the twitter.


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Dec 12, 2014 4:55 PM

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Chaika you will be missed was a great to season we all spent with you!!
Happy to see a happy end ^-^
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And in the end, Fredrica was no good at all. She gets taken out every single time she would be useful, and Toru accomplished absolute nothing while he was a dragoon cavalier.

Well okay, he got past Shin, but Shin never was really serious - he would have used his Iron-Blood Transformation and went for the heart/throat or eyes, instead of simply disabling by stabbing between the shoulders or so.

The end where Red Chaika visits Toru and the rest & both Gillette and his boss getting a promotion is nice. They skipped some people though, like the rest of Red Chaikas team. And we do not know for sure what happend to Blue Chaika.
 
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It was very rushed but i still enjoyed the epilogue ALOT :)

 
Dec 12, 2014 7:05 PM

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Not really a satisfying ending. It was rushed, but imo the 2nd season is still better than the first
Had some flaws, but I enjoyed it a lot
 
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took him fucking long enough to make the contract


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now all we need is a chaika themed beelzeboss for this episode. someone get right on that.
 
Dec 12, 2014 8:22 PM

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Enjoyable show overall but it could’ve really used 2-3 extra episodes or heck, even 1 more would’ve helped a bit.

Thoughts on Tooru finally becoming a Dragoon Cavalier:: Well, I can actually see why it didn’t happen sooner because it would’ve probably made a lot of the entertaining battles we got so far rather boring as he’d steamroll over his foes. This is probably the same reason why Frederika didn’t participate in fights as much. The fight scenes have been one of the most enjoyable aspects in this show for me because our protagonists always struggled to defeat their usually superior foes and always had to work together & to do so. The very introduction of something as OP as Frederika had me worried to be honest,but luckily my worries were for naught. That being said,Tooru becoming a Dragoon Cavalier was indeed rushed and it could’ve came one ep earlier or at the beginning(or if the series had at least 1 more ep).

As for other things, I kind of regret that Heartgen didn’t play a bigger role. In a way, I actually wished him to be the big baddie instead of Emprah Gaz. I would’ve liked to see a more interesting debate between him & Tooru seeing as Tooru initially wanted the same thing as him. And of course, Gaz loosing due to an oversight which was not realizing "The power of friendship, huehuehue!” had me rolling my eyes but whatever.

I’m still glad we actually got an ending(rushed and unsurprising as it was) and didn’t get the usual “go read the light novel” treatment. Little Red Riding Chaika was a treat :P Her & Akari were prolly’ my favorite characters.

8/10 for the 1st season,7/10 for this due to the ending.
 
Dec 12, 2014 8:39 PM

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I originally gave this anime a 9, but the ending is too rushed, so I gave a final score of 8.
 
Dec 12, 2014 8:49 PM

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I expected a rushed ending, but that was not the only problem with the last episode. So many things happened without development which caused the story that had been built up to its climax to suddenly free fall into the abyssal.

I'll give the anime 7/10 for its enjoyable moments that makes up for its apparent flaws.
 
Dec 13, 2014 1:11 AM

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Toru that's cheap attack lol
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So the emperor got one shoted by White Chaika. I did not expect the emperor to die that easy but I suppose they had the end the series quickly.

White Chaika used her memories as ammunition for the wand gundo, so I wonder what did she forget? I though she was going to die after using the wand gundo because I assumed she would have used all of her memories to fire the weapon one time since the wand is so OP.

WE FINALLY GOT TO SEE TORU BECOME A DRAGON CAVALIER! This was very satisfying because if we did not get to see Toru and fredrica make the contract before the end of the series rage would be prevalent.

So in the end we got a happy ending for everyone.

~Great episode and series!!!
 
Dec 13, 2014 4:31 AM
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the ending was so rushed
It was like they weren't fighting the father of wizard just some amateur with some one hit sniper 360 no scope
 
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