Forum SettingsEpisode Information
Forums
Poll: Log Horizon 2nd Season Episode 10 Discussion


Dec 7, 2014 5:25 AM

Offline
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 803
Zzz...this episode might as well be a drama episode. I don't even have to watch, just listen.
 
Dec 7, 2014 5:37 AM

Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 18
This episode will only appear good to people who actually PLAY games, or have played games. I see many positive and negative comments as a result. Anime watchers probably got bored to death, but myself as a player who has been through similar hardships can say it was a fantastic episode. One of the best.
i love tirru
 
Dec 7, 2014 5:37 AM

Offline
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 442
Dem feels! Seriously love William now, his speech was just brilliant. Love the build up for next week
 
Dec 7, 2014 5:37 AM

Offline
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 5879
Too long, but it was a good speech. One thing I can agree is no matter, what people say that games are useless and a waste of time, I will still play. Because I'm a gamer, I love playing games.

Next episode we'll back with more action now. Hopefully, Shiroe reveals his objectives and goals, and defeat the three bosses. It'll be epic if they defeat all of them.
 
Dec 7, 2014 5:42 AM
Offline
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6814
Liesianthes said:
I know that this episode takes a whole lot of that speech but you've got to remember that:
1. There's not enough material
2. This is a 25 episode anime thus if they make that a half or even less than a half episode speech, what would they show us next because I'm pretty sure that it will catch up to the latest volume of a currently running LN
3. This is meant for gamers, admit it or not those 0 and 1data are nothing to a someone but it does a lot to those gamers who found their happiness and meet new friends because of that
4. This is not promoting hikki at all, GAMERS and I mean GAMERS sure do know what William was pointing and what trying to convey, you don't know a feeling of having no talent, no specialty, feeling down in this world at all, not all people are gifted with those looks and talents you have in this judgmental world, if those GAMES doesn't exist the suicide rate will be so high in this world for the reason that those GAMERS will not find anything worth it in this world to release their stress and found happiness. I did not mean in a way that's being a hikki, to make things clear Willaim clearly said, "I'm studying for games" which we can interpret it's one of his motivation why he is studying, so where's being a hikki in that one?
5. There's an anime that's bound to finish by next week which did an anime original ending and a lot of people are raging because of that, so you also want a less speech, faster pacing and yet original anime ending?
6. Not relevant, there's an anime episode also that aired this week that eats up the whole time of the entire show with those background story that has been repeated ever since that anime started and yet they repeat it again and I can't see anything complaining on that. In the contrary they are even praising that slow pacing that has been repeated again with just additional info.

Let it go because its impossible to please some of the ignorants on MAL and its not like their baseless criticism will affect the anime anyway.
 
Dec 7, 2014 5:46 AM

Offline
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2811
Okay, one long motivational speech from the Guild Master, whilst waiting for Shiroe to revive himself.

One issue I have with all this, what exactly is the purpose of beating that raid anyway? I mean, he said he'd tell everyone, and then suddenly we had a 1 week time-skip where they finished getting everything ready to try the raid one final time?

Someone in the know please explain.
HESTIAAPPROVES
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:08 AM

Offline
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 2455
That was actually a legitimately great episode. William's speech was really really good!
And best of all, it did its purpose, which was to excite us more for next week's episode, which I think will be the best episode of this season, so far.
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:36 AM

Offline
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1772
William's speech... It's like Nakamura Yuuichi's really saying it from the bottom of his heart since he's also a gamer :))
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:48 AM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 344
Holy shit, that speech...I felt identified with some parts of it. Really good.
 
Dec 7, 2014 10:02 AM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 58
Hmm, a divisive episode it seems. Since I like video games way more than I like anime, I ended up liking this episode a lot more than the previous ones this season. Not that it takes much to be better than "I gotta be stronger for muh husbando". Now hopefully the show will be more focused on the game and world-building than the half-assed development of uninteresting characters.

Also what's with the complaining of too much talking? Have we already forgotten what series this is?
 
Dec 7, 2014 10:41 AM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 1170
Well, i didn't like this part in the LN as well. I understand why it was needed though, it's just too long and the way he just circle around with the talking. But next episode should be better.
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:35 PM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 8562
William touched my soul and heart with that speech T_____T
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:37 PM
Offline
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 151
Worst episode of the year! Good job Log Horizon season 2! You managed to create an episode so boring and frustrating to watch, it tops every other crap episode from every anime I've seen this year!
Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the General Forum Guidelines.
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:41 PM

Offline
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 383
L-Ryoshi said:
Okay, one long motivational speech from the Guild Master, whilst waiting for Shiroe to revive himself.

One issue I have with all this, what exactly is the purpose of beating that raid anyway? I mean, he said he'd tell everyone, and then suddenly we had a 1 week time-skip where they finished getting everything ready to try the raid one final time?

Someone in the know please explain.


Shiroe's objective will be revealed in due time, most likely in episode 12.
 
Dec 7, 2014 6:52 PM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 50
Pretty awesome speech, although in my experience it usually takes 200+ wipes on the final boss before something like that comes out. I guess being trapped in a game would make one quite a bit emotional.
 
Dec 7, 2014 8:27 PM

Offline
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 6622
By far, the best episode, That speech, just wow...
FragOutFire said:

Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain.

We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us
 
Dec 7, 2014 9:21 PM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 5163
20min hype speech as a big MMO player William has my respect but damn dude could of at least tried to shorten that a bit lol
 
Dec 7, 2014 9:33 PM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 368
I actually really loved his speech.

Sure it went on for a damn long time but anyone that's put a significant amount of time into a game has at some stage had similar thoughts.
Modified by SimmianPrime, Dec 7, 2014 9:42 PM
 
Dec 7, 2014 9:42 PM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1992
TBH I had wanted more action during this episode, but It wasn't that bad.

Thumb up to William for that great speech and let's hope to see Shiroe plan and more fighting next week xD

 
Dec 7, 2014 10:16 PM

Offline
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2599
Purposely elaborated speech to drag time. that is what this episode is about.
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて
 
Dec 8, 2014 1:18 AM

Offline
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4139
Holy shit dude, you only wiped once. Fucking relax rofl. And to that fucker in the background that said something like "...a PC game in this day and age? aren't mobile games enough?" fuck you, you goddam retard.
 
Dec 8, 2014 1:25 AM

Offline
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 301
L-Ryoshi said:
Okay, one long motivational speech from the Guild Master, whilst waiting for Shiroe to revive himself.

One issue I have with all this, what exactly is the purpose of beating that raid anyway? I mean, he said he'd tell everyone, and then suddenly we had a 1 week time-skip where they finished getting everything ready to try the raid one final time?

If Shiroe revealed his reasons for wanting 80 trillion gold in this episode, it would encroach over William's speech to pull his guild's morale back up. I'm guessing that would be bad scripting, to stuff two unrelated, important reveals into one episode.

SimmianPrime said:
I actually really loved his speech.

Sure it went on for a damn long time but anyone that's put a significant amount of time into a game has at some stage had similar thoughts.

I'm glad that it seems nothing remotely important was cut (I haven't read the LN, so I can't be sure) when adapting this chapter into anime, even if it meant making most of the episode a monologue. ^^ Some previous threads hint that some background story for Nureha and Akatsuki is skipped in the anime, which can be a little disappointing when you find out about it.
 
Dec 8, 2014 3:08 AM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2985
when well shiroe and his guild fucking get out of that dungeon?
to find out. tune in in ten eps.............
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy."
 
Dec 8, 2014 3:33 AM

Offline
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 689
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a GAMER, i felt every word he said!!! i felt it!!!!

Seriously, one of the best episodes ive ever watched.

The feels!! The goosebumps!!!! The tears!!!!!!!!!! Felt soooooooooo damn good!!!!!
 
Dec 8, 2014 5:04 AM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 19
Worst episode by far. How can anyone like this speech especially as a gamer? It was 10 minutes of blatend pandering to us gamers, that's it. Are people this starved for compliments? Do people need to hear that they are special little snowflakes this badly? This 10min or so speech can be summarized exactly like this:"Society may look down on you for being a gamer, but you love it so it's a great thing."

In and on itself not a bad message, but if it's repeated over and over and over again it looses all meaning.
If the speech was 2 min long + the backstory part it would have been fine, maybe even really good but the way it was delivered was horrible. It was the equivalent of someone creeping up on you, starting to massage your back and telling you how missunderstood and awesome you are.

The little bits about being overly excited about loot, getting along with people online better than with people irl and even being happy about getting "trapped" into a game world were really nice and gave me a chuckle because they hit home, but the rest was just pathetic pandering to us gamers and I actually feel a little insulted because of it. No one has to tell me that my hobby is great and fun over and over again like this, I know it is that's why I am a gamer but apparentlly whoever was responsible for this episode thought that we are a weak minded bunch who need constant pampering... and looking at some comments here they might have been right which makes me a little sad...
 
Dec 8, 2014 5:59 PM

Offline
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 209
1 whole episode of crappy nerd speech
 
Dec 8, 2014 6:27 PM
Offline
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 246
This was definitely one of the shows patented "dear God nothing happens" episodes, but those, in their own right are productive. This one gave us a detailed look at Silver Sword and William's motivations and past and was nice and insightful.
/a/ probably already tore em a new one for it too.
A shame, cause I like the pace. It's not as hectic as SAO and not as stagnant as .Hack, it could be a bit quicker at times, but I think it's worth sitting back and doing this every once in a while.
I go by many names, some call me Hoshimaru, others call me Jiro or Aosou-Kun.
I believe myself a force for good, a papercrafter by trade, and one who seeks love and beauty animesque.

I am the host of the youtube show Who Would You Do?
 
Dec 8, 2014 7:27 PM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4266
I found that one hell of a speech and I go back to the days of ftf D&D marathons. For those who decry gaming and suggest that it is just 1s and 0s changing on a server somewhere: your so-called reality consists of positive and negative charges whirling around each other in the infinite nothingness of space. If you consider your life from the point of view of geologic time everything that you do is just as meaningless. Gamers have made a choice about what is important to them and how to live their lives, can you say the same?
Please don't feed the trolls!
In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student
carrying a piece of toast in her mouth
...rodac

 
Dec 9, 2014 12:55 AM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 400
Too much talk. Its a homage for all gamers, shut-in,etc.
 
Dec 9, 2014 4:54 AM

Offline
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1276
this author know his shit about being gamer. holy shit best episode so far...
 
Dec 9, 2014 9:29 AM

Offline
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2512
Preach the word, William.
 
Dec 9, 2014 10:01 AM

Offline
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 853
zzzzzzzzzzzzz / 10

seriously though, I kinda relate to with Legolas's speech but it took almost a whole episode length. It's unnecessary.
 
Dec 9, 2014 2:18 PM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2869
Terrible episode.
 
Dec 10, 2014 11:14 AM

Offline
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1355
This raid seems to be reaching it's end, it took a lot longer than I expected. Quite a speech by William, I'm so glad it wasnt Shiroe talking.
 
Dec 10, 2014 11:23 AM

Offline
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 186
Lol what were they thinking devoting an entire episode to one speech? I have never seen something like this in any anime I have seen , that was awful
 
Dec 10, 2014 5:48 PM
Offline
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 18
Dat speech.
 
Dec 11, 2014 12:02 AM

Offline
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 5
just wow, i expected some 4 maybe 6 minutes speech but not entire episode, it's amazing!! o.o these words! this battle spirit up! instantly favorite this guy > <!
 
Dec 11, 2014 3:40 AM

Offline
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 695
Reminds me of Kyousuke's speech in Oreimo
 
Dec 11, 2014 2:41 PM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2392
Lol dat motivational speech. Well here we go again. Takin another shot. Also Shiroe's gonna be in the open now about his motives
 
Dec 11, 2014 6:56 PM

Offline
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2270
That William speech... MMO gamers have never been glorified so beautifully T_T

It's like the author is trying to justify the Hikikomori lifestyle lol...
 
Dec 11, 2014 8:05 PM

Offline
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 15773
I find the speech unnecessary long to the point the whole thing got annoying considering he even repeated himself quite a few times. That shit could be said in three minutes i don't know why we wasted a whole episode on it.

As about all the touchy feeling many got. Sorry but i feel like puking. Yes we get it, i played games and still play games etc but for Christ sakes it was such a cringe worthy pandering.
Besides, they ain't in a game anymore. That shit is like their actual life right now because is not just a screen. They have real bodies there etc and such speech may be inspiring for gamers but at the same time make the guy giving it seem kind of pathetic and not strong. I wouldn't mind having a little guy with antisocial issues run a silly guilt in a game but i would mind having him as my leader in a real life situation. A leader should be strong and inspiring in the way that you want to be like him not empathize with his weakness.
I wouldn't follow a guy like that anywhere.

TheNaturalPerm said:
So Log Horizon now wants to tell us that being a hikikomori is ok and you should just play games in order to develop social skills? Take pride in not being funtional in society? ehhh?
This whole episode was giving a bj to gamers/hikis to make them feel better about their lack of "life"
That's some next level pandering right there. holy shit...


The strange thing is that this is suppose to be funded by the government right? As far as i know the government hates this people.
Modified by Monad, Dec 11, 2014 8:35 PM
 
Dec 11, 2014 8:40 PM
Offline
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 6650
Monad said:
I find the speech unnecessary long to the point the whole thing got annoying considering he even repeated himself quite a few times. That shit could be said in three minutes i don't know why we wasted a whole episode on it.


Maji? This was the intellectual climax to the entire series. The rest is just the other characters resolving their own issues.

Monad said:
The strange thing is that this is suppose to be funded by the government right? As far as i know the government hates this people.


Not quite. NHK is funded by a fee on anyone who owes a television, so the government doesn't directly fund the network.
 
Dec 12, 2014 1:45 AM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 486
Reading many of the post made by filthy casuals going over their head to finding it boring or whatever just don't understand the speech. To the hardcore player it's a good speech. It can be really demoralizing especially in a MMO to wipe over and over again and these guys have it rough fighting 3 end game bosses at the same time.

Sadly one of them was a hardcore player and didn't empathize or maybe knows how vain playing games to that extreme is all too well.



NihonFalcom said:
Preach the word, William.
MoeGod said:
That William speech... MMO gamers have never been glorified so beautifully T_T

It's like the author is trying to justify the Hikikomori lifestyle lol...

lol.
 
Dec 12, 2014 7:03 AM

Offline
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 220
radle said:
Reading many of the post made by filthy casuals going over their head to finding it boring or whatever just don't understand the speech. To the hardcore player it's a good speech. It can be really demoralizing especially in a MMO to wipe over and over again and these guys have it rough fighting 3 end game bosses at the same time.


What is there to understand in a speech that's given by a hikikomori who has only interacted with human beings through the internet. He will just try to protect his beliefs and his lifestyle because he hit a wall that's impossible to pass. If he didn't give this corny speech all of his life would be a waste. There's no real deep meaning and it's neither about being demoralized by getting wiped.
 
Dec 12, 2014 12:28 PM
Offline
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 185
In order to appreciate this episode, you need to have a background in playing MMO's to understand what William is talking about.

I thought a speech like that coming from a person from like him was pretty fantastic, consider his and the guilds current situation.
 
Dec 13, 2014 4:58 AM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3058
They all are social outcasts in real life.
Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines.
 
Dec 13, 2014 5:50 AM

Offline
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8134
This episode almost made my eyes teary. They have really executed this beautifully!
 
Dec 13, 2014 6:03 PM

Offline
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 6008
Wow, Tetra had some lines!

This episode: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Get on with it already!
 
Dec 15, 2014 12:09 AM
Offline
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 38
For all my gripes about the second season so far, I actually liked this one a lot (I'm not really a hardcore gamer either). It had a lot of talking in it, but it was the kind of talking that Log Horizon is best known for.

Although I could be a little biased as I watched this one after episode 11 became available, so it didn't feel like they wasted a whole week just to show us Willliam monologuing for a whole episode.
 
Dec 15, 2014 8:22 PM

Offline
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 17182
Gamer speech? Ehn.
"Let Justice Be Done!"

My Theme
I conclude that this theme is in fact good!
 
Top
Pages (4) « 1 2 [3] 4 »