Well, that sucks! |
| Anyone know what the actual issue is? Curious that it's just that one episode. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| maybe Selev (a helmet maker) decided they didn't want their brand to be shown? or maybe the background posters looked too similar with some other series? maybe the drawings were copyrighted? maybe Apple or Microsofy (or both) decided they didn't want their product shown? maybe this? i skimmed through the episode and didn't really find a thing that could be considered a serious copyright offense (even the ones i listed above barely warrants removing an entire episode) |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| Rumors say that it's because of the play ("Waiting for Godot"). According to the late author wishes it shouldn't be played by females as a main characters and it's still copyrighted. |
| The director for SHIROBAKO is Tsutomu Mizushima. When he directed "Girls und Panzer" in 2012, Episode 8 was banned in the United States for copyright reasons. According to Wikipedia, "A scene in episode eight, which featured the song Katyusha, was absent in the Crunchyroll simulcast and was replaced with an instrumental version of Korobeiniki in the Sentai Filmworks release due to licensing issues." abab |
okanaganJan 1, 2015 5:07 PM
| Here is a little bit of an update. Just now I checked for any new news items within the past 24 hours. There is nothing. They have not made any comments on their official Twitter account. Note that Episode 6 will be on Volume 2 of the Blu-ray/DVD and that it goes on sale on January 28th. It is one thing for them to have shut down streaming of Episode 6 on NicoNico and Crunchyroll, but it is entirely a different story to figure out what to do about Volume 2. As far as I can see, the official sources have provided absolutely no information about what the copyright problems are. |
| Maybe it's something with Space Runaway Ideon? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Looks like both Waiting for Godot and Ideon were the reasons of the removal. The revised episode 6 will have an altered and redubbed Waiting for Godot scene and Ideon BGM removed. http://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/544865618034712576 Yaraon article(Japanese site): http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-28921.html (maybe okanagan could help translate) |
| @Zenjamibu: Thank you for passing along this news! Also, thanks for those links! Here is one of the scenes from Episode 6 that, based on this, created so much trouble. This is the part where the girls acted out Samuel Beckett's 1953 play, "Waiting for Godot". Beckett died in 1989. Woops, it is still under copyright for seven more years, apparently!  For details about what might have been the problem with "Waiting for Godot", look at Section 4.6 in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot (Section 4.6 is about "Beckett's objection to female actors") Astounding that BOTH "Waiting for Godot" AND "Ideon" had created problems! Out of an abundance of caution, I want to check more deeply into this. Anime- related rumors flow freely around the internet. Even some extremely savvy MAL users have been fooled. At this point, I am looking for confirmation from a primary official source. I'll pass along the word if I can find anything solid. By the way, I have no actual formal qualifications with the Japanese language. I just make use of online translation tools like Google Translate. Also, I have only actually spent a few days in Japan. I really miss the old days on MAL when we had a lot more users who lived in Japan, knew the language very well, and were also well-informed about anime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: Wed Dec 17 - 4:45 am PT, 7:45 am ET, 12:45 pm GMT After doing a lot of Googling, I got amazingly lucky and managed to find an article in a reputable anime-related magazine in Japan. It just came out a few hours ago. From a quick scan through, it looks relevant. It is in Japanese. I hope to provide some translation a bit later. Here is the link: http://garema.jp/newsDetail/6326/ In any case, it looks like what Zenjamibu already told us is essentially correct. |
okanaganDec 17, 2014 4:51 AM
| Okay, it looks like here is what has happened to Episode 6, which had copyright issues. To make a long story short, it sounds like they are making three changes. Their plan seems to be that they will: - Change the background music during their visit to the Ideon exhibit. - Change the lines of the play so that it will now just be a parody. - Change the closing credits to mention the play "Waiting for Godot". Here are more details: |
okanaganDec 18, 2014 6:32 AM
| Great news! The revised version of Episode 6 has been uploaded to Crunchyroll! The first major issue had to do with the play being performed by the girls from 11:43 to 11:52. According to rumor, there was some kind of copyright issue with the use of lines from the absurdist play "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett. They are now using the new lines in the website that Zenjamibu pointed out. The old lines were: 「もうゴドーとやらはきっと来ないよ」 「じゃあ私たちなんのためにずっと待っていたわけ」 「意味がなかったね、何にも、よし死のう！」 「いきなり何よ」 「だってもうゴドーは来ないんだもん」 The new lines are: 「俺はこのままじゃとてもやっていけない！」 「口ではみんなそう言うさ！」 「別れることにしたら、その方がいいかもしれない」 「それより明日首を吊ろう、ゴドーが来れば別だが」 「もし、来たら？」 「私たちは救われる」 At 17:15, background music begins while they are visiting the Idepon exhibition. It continues up until 20:41. This version is totally different from the original music. According to rumor, the original music was rejected since it was too "Ideon-ish". The new music is completely different. On the other hand, it is extremely similar in some ways. In both cases, the dominant instrument is the saxophone, and ends up on the piano. The tempo of the new music is much slower. Naturally, the new music also has to fit the story well, which it does. Finally, in the closing credits, at 24:07, they are now acknowledging "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett. They now say 引用 『ゴドーを待ちながら』 サミュエル・ベケット and then below that they mention the two people who translated it into Japanese. |
okanaganDec 31, 2014 2:34 PM
| There probably was not any real legal issue with anything in the episode, it was just rights managers being annoying. Music that has the same feel as another piece, or making a reference to a play by using invented lines, is not really grounds for a legal case, even in Japan. There isn't much reproduction of the originals, so it sounds specious to say the authors' economic copyright is being infringed, or that their moral rights regarding the integrity of their work are being infringed. There is the problem that Japan's fair dealing provisions, while liberal, don't include an affirmative right, though…that ought to be changed, and really fair use even in the U.S. needs to be strengthened. Still, regardless of their legal standing, it wouldn't have been worth it for P.A. Works and Warner to do anything other than negotiate and revise the episode. But, it's worth pointing out that there was nothing that could have sunk the show; and that they shouldn't let this prevent them too much from making references going forward. I have no idea why the rights managers for Godot found it better to include real lines from the play with credit (?), that doesn't make sense. (Girls und Panzer was an entirely different story. Using "Katyusha" without permission is totally legal in Japan, but totally not in the U.S. among others, because of differing copyright terms. Godot is not coming out of copyright anywhere in the world for a couple decades.) |
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