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Nov 21, 2014 7:29 PM
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Nov 21, 2014 7:31 PM
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Due to my actions of accidentally deleting the thread, the thread has been re-posted. I didn't take a look when a spambot spammed in here and deleted the thread fully without looking at the title which I should've done. I apologize for any confusion that may have caused anyone. |
TyrelNov 21, 2014 7:35 PM
Nov 21, 2014 7:36 PM
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NGNL :3 |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
Nov 21, 2014 7:39 PM
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No Mushoku Tensei?! *flips all tables in immediate surrounding and runs out of building* Just kidding, wasn't expecting it to rank anyways. Because it would knock out the top 5 in every list. Just kidding Eris, Roxy, and Sylphy are still best waifus. |
Nov 21, 2014 7:46 PM
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Like I said before, grats to Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Well deserved. Now I really can't wait for season 2. |
Nov 21, 2014 8:04 PM
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Snow said: Here are the Top 10 Light Novel rankings collected by the "Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!" (This Light Novel is Amazing!) annual magazine. Light Novels *1. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru (Oregairu) *2. Sword Art Online (SAO) *3. No Game No Life (NGNL) *4. Toaru Majutsu no Index (Index) Not a LN readers but love Oregairu and NGNL anime. Have also seen Majutsu and SAO. Accelerator and Misaka are great characters. I'm surprise to see that Mahouka is not in top ten consider that it sell well but as everyone knows,selling well=/=quality. Again,didn't read the LN but the anime is crap and awful. Consider the LN didn't make it to top ten,I guess the LN is not that good either. Congratulation to Oregairu. Among all the anime that is from LN adaptions,Oregairu is definitely one of the best I ever seen which is no surprise as it's original source itself is also great. |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 8:09 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 8:25 PM
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Zapredon said: I'm surprise to see that Mahouka is not in top ten consider that it sell well but as everyone knows,selling well=/=quality. Again,didn't read the LN but the anime is crap and awful. Consider the LN didn't make it to top ten,I guess the LN is not that good either. Mahouka ranked 13th this year, and calling it not that good out of the hundreds of light novels out there, I think that's too much of an exaggeration. |
Nov 21, 2014 8:32 PM
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NGNL ranked up a good deal from last year. 10 to 3 is a nice rise. I see some new titles in the ranking. 5 out of 10 has no translations yet. Hope Baka-Tsuki picks them up. Ah, no Miyuki in the female characters list this time. But her Onii-sama leveled up from 8 to 5 now. I was actually expecting Tatsuya to be in top 3. Eh, he will probably make it there next year. |
Nov 21, 2014 8:36 PM
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Super happy for OregaIru. |
Nov 21, 2014 8:41 PM
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Can someone explain what the "Combined Characters" means? |
Nov 21, 2014 8:52 PM
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Confucius said: Can someone explain what the "Combined Characters" means? The combined males and females rather than their separate gender categories. |
Nov 21, 2014 9:13 PM
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LastChapter said: Zapredon said: I'm surprise to see that Mahouka is not in top ten consider that it sell well but as everyone knows,selling well=/=quality. Again,didn't read the LN but the anime is crap and awful. Consider the LN didn't make it to top ten,I guess the LN is not that good either. Mahouka ranked 13th this year, and calling it not that good out of the hundreds of light novels out there, I think that's too much of an exaggeration. I mean not as good as people said or all the hype is about due to novel sales. There are other LN out there I haven't heard of and didn't sell as well as Mahouka but still rank higher than Mahouka. Since Mahouka sold well,it means it has huge amount of readers compare to other LN l but despite having huge readership, it still didn't get enough vote to make it to top ten. This speaks a lot about it's quality. So in a sense,Mahouka is not that good in term of quality. I can not help but think Mahouka ranking is because of quantity not quality. |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 9:32 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 9:26 PM
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If I am a LN writer, then I'll choose Tsunako as an artist. She's too good and again, I'm glad that she's on the list! |
The world shall know the truth soon. |
Nov 21, 2014 9:43 PM
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Zapredon said: I mean not as good as people said or all the hype is about due to novel sales. There are other LN out there I haven't heard of and didn't sell as well as Mahouka but still rank higher than Mahouka. Since Mahouka sold well,it means it has huge amount of readers compare to other LN l but despite having huge readership, it still didn't get enough vote to make it to top ten. This speaks a lot about it's quality. So in a sense,Mahouka is not that good in term of quality. I can not help but think Mahouka ranking is because of quantity not quality. The novel rankings aren't just based on popularity votes. I won't get in too much detail, but voters are selected in different categorizes, HP ranks (normal voters), monitors (elites), etc. Mahouka ranked 5th for HP rank, 7th for monitors, collab though put it at 13th. They also try and get lesser known series on the list so that they would get more recognition. |
Nov 21, 2014 9:47 PM
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LastChapter said: Zapredon said: I mean not as good as people said or all the hype is about due to novel sales. There are other LN out there I haven't heard of and didn't sell as well as Mahouka but still rank higher than Mahouka. Since Mahouka sold well,it means it has huge amount of readers compare to other LN l but despite having huge readership, it still didn't get enough vote to make it to top ten. This speaks a lot about it's quality. So in a sense,Mahouka is not that good in term of quality. I can not help but think Mahouka ranking is because of quantity not quality. The novel rankings aren't just based on popularity votes. I won't get in too much detail, but voters are selected in different categorizes, HP ranks (normal voters), monitors (elites), etc. Mahouka ranked 5th for HP rank, 7th for monitors, collab though put it at 13th. They also try and get lesser known series on the list so that they would get more recognition. Still doesn't change anything on what I said. Just a method of different voting but in the end,still about voters and polls. I check other years ranking and Mahouka also didn't make it to top ten list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kono_Light_Novel_ga_Sugoi!#2010.E2.80.932014_2 They also try and get lesser known series on the list so that they would get more recognition. Are you trying to tell me that there are conspiracy where less known LN is put in top ten list even though it didn't get enough vote for the purpose of publicity? Doesn't that mean this ranking are all fraud in the first place? |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 9:56 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 10:00 PM
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Zapredon said: LastChapter said: Zapredon said: I mean not as good as people said or all the hype is about due to novel sales. There are other LN out there I haven't heard of and didn't sell as well as Mahouka but still rank higher than Mahouka. Since Mahouka sold well,it means it has huge amount of readers compare to other LN l but despite having huge readership, it still didn't get enough vote to make it to top ten. This speaks a lot about it's quality. So in a sense,Mahouka is not that good in term of quality. I can not help but think Mahouka ranking is because of quantity not quality. The novel rankings aren't just based on popularity votes. I won't get in too much detail, but voters are selected in different categorizes, HP ranks (normal voters), monitors (elites), etc. Mahouka ranked 5th for HP rank, 7th for monitors, collab though put it at 13th. They also try and get lesser known series on the list so that they would get more recognition. Still doesn't change anything on what I said. Just a method of different voting but in the end,still about voters and polls. I check other years ranking and Mahouka also didn't make it to top ten list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kono_Light_Novel_ga_Sugoi!#2010.E2.80.932014_2 I still don't see why Mahouka needs to be in the top 10 to live up to its sales and hype. You have rank #5 Koukyuu Rakuen Kyoujou - Harem League Baseball which I'm sure not many people know of and have much less sales than Mahouka. You're definitely underestimating the ranks and purpose in the poll, any series landing in the top 60 is really good and pretty much guarantees a continuation of that series unless it ended already. This is not a ranking of purely sales or popularity, else SAO would be first place by a landslide, but a slightly rigged system to bring more awareness in the light novel community. |
Nov 21, 2014 10:03 PM
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LastChapter said: Zapredon said: LastChapter said: Zapredon said: I mean not as good as people said or all the hype is about due to novel sales. There are other LN out there I haven't heard of and didn't sell as well as Mahouka but still rank higher than Mahouka. Since Mahouka sold well,it means it has huge amount of readers compare to other LN l but despite having huge readership, it still didn't get enough vote to make it to top ten. This speaks a lot about it's quality. So in a sense,Mahouka is not that good in term of quality. I can not help but think Mahouka ranking is because of quantity not quality. The novel rankings aren't just based on popularity votes. I won't get in too much detail, but voters are selected in different categorizes, HP ranks (normal voters), monitors (elites), etc. Mahouka ranked 5th for HP rank, 7th for monitors, collab though put it at 13th. They also try and get lesser known series on the list so that they would get more recognition. Still doesn't change anything on what I said. Just a method of different voting but in the end,still about voters and polls. I check other years ranking and Mahouka also didn't make it to top ten list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kono_Light_Novel_ga_Sugoi!#2010.E2.80.932014_2 I still don't see why Mahouka needs to be in the top 10 to live up to its sales and hype. You have rank #5 Koukyuu Rakuen Kyoujou - Harem League Baseball which I'm sure not many people know of and have much less sales than Mahouka. You're definitely underestimating the ranks and purpose in the poll, any series landing in the top 60 is really good and pretty much guarantees a continuation of that series unless it ended already. This is not a ranking of purely sales or popularity, else SAO would be first place by a landslide, but a slightly rigged system to bring more awareness in the light novel community. I am aware this is not ranking base on sales or popularity.What I mean is that despite having huge readership,only small percentage of people reading Mahouka vote for Mahouka while other LN despite having small readership,huge percentage of the reader still vote for that LN perhaps due to it's quality. Just because something sell bad doesn't mean it's bad in quality . You would expect lots of people would vote for Mahouka to make it to top 10 since it has huge readership but this doesn't happen. If this ranking contain rigged system,it means this ranking are FRAUD in the first place. |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 10:15 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 10:17 PM
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Zapredon said: I am aware this is not ranking base on sales or popularity.What I mean is that despite having huge readership,only small percentage of people reading Mahouka vote for Mahouka while other LN despite having small readership,huge percentage of the reader still vote for that LN perhaps due to it's quality. Just because something sell bad doesn't mean it's bad . I would like proof/citation from you that this ranking contain rigged system because if it does,it means this ranking are FRAUD in the first place. I'm not saying it's rigged in a cheating way, but it's formatted in a way where less known series get more leeway. Best example of a system that is not purely based on one concept is MAL's rating system. And it's not a small percentage of people that voted for Mahouka, a majority of the voters did. If it were based on popularity votes, Mahouka is #5 for normal voters. For how this certain poll is formatted, it's ranked 13 out of hundreds among hundreds of series. You can even look at the score distribution of the top 30 yourself: And I just noticed your sig too, I'm not going to put any more effort in arguing further. |
Nov 21, 2014 10:23 PM
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So it's a deleting mistake? You shoudl be able to find a copy of the thread even after deleting it either in the server cache or in the server 's periodic save imo... Well, whatever, the thread is still in my browser cache... So I guess I'll copy back the full conversation I had there then, if you don't mind it. TheNaturalPerm said: and what the fuck is harem league basketball...sounds and looks like cancer. Zefyris said: That's why people like you are such a ridiculous bunch in any LN related news you know. With no offense intended, of course. The "harem" here is in the "inner palace" meaning of the term, not the "school life harem" that you see in lots of anime. So, Harem in its true meaning historically. In other words, it's both a story about inner palace's concubines and about baseball. Your comment is especially hilarious because this LN may actually be the best LN of the 60. I mean, the author is Ishikawa Hiroshi. That's the author of works like mimikari neruri series and vampire summer time after all. While the author may have made a miss this time- I haven't read it, so maybe - that's quite a package for the author as the titles I cited were quite acclaimed, especially mimikari neruri. Not convinced? Then let me inform you about how the LN poll of the kono light nove wa sugoi works. While the other poll in this magazine are only popularity based, the LN poll has 3 categories of voters adding their vote. One is your normal readers, one is the monitors which are readers reading a lot of LN selected specially for this, and the last one is... People from the LN industry. For years, people from the industry have been pushing less known titles in those rankings, trying to promote quality titles ignored by the masses, with somewhat significant successes. And when the ranking are announced, while you have the sum of everything, you also get in the magazine how much each title received by each group of voters. As such, some peoples like me see konorano rankings as an opportunity to find less known but quality titles published during this year by looking at which title were the most supported by collaborators. I suppose you're seeing it coming now. Guess which was the title this year with the most support from the collaborators (by quite a huge margin first, to boot)? Yeah, that's exactly it. You may want to refrain badmouthing when you don't know. Judging a title by its cover or by its title only shows how much ignorant you are in the end. TheNaturalPerm said: you know...the genres are ecchi harem and gender bender AND to top it off a light novel. according to the genres it sure is harem you know? There is absolutely 0 potential of this not sucking. Don't kid yourself lol. Zefyris said: AHAHAHAH you're awesome xD. When I wrote the previous answer, I didn't imagine that I would receive such hilarious answer once again. You really don't know when to stop, and as a result of it, you're looking more and more like a complete ignorant. Okay, so, I hope you won't mind me poking a little fun at you. i mean, you're so full of yourself, you should be able to handle that much, right :3. So after judging a title by its... Title, you're now judging it by... using the MAL tags. I'm sorry, really, I have a hard time not laughing when I write those words. BEcause, you know, MAL tags are well known to be accurate. Especially, in case such like this, where after looking at the MAL page for this work for 10 seconds, you can see three things -No synopsis -No one on MAL completed it (neutral loben doesn't count, obviously, as he hasn't read it like you surely know) - One volume long -> from the fact it's one volume long and that no one completed it, you can easily deduce that the user who made that MAL page hasn't read this book at all. -> from the fact that it has no synopsis, yo ucan also deduce that the user who made it either - doesn't know japanese and therefore couldn't translate the japanese synopsis -Know japanese but didn't take 10 minutes of his/her time to translate that very short synopsis. In either case, it's pretty clear that the person who made that page hasn't read a single review of that title. I mean, reading a full review require either to know japanese or to search a lot an english review that may or may not be somewhere on the internet, and therefore a lot of time. Which, like the fact that the synopsis wasn't translated shows, wasn't something the person who made that page was ready to do. From there, only spending 10seconds looking at that MAL page, you can deduce that the person who put the tags had almost no knowledge of the content. There's aready a lot of titles on MAL with tags error, and all of thing, you used tags from a page created by someone with almost no knowledge of that title to look down on it. I hope you realize how foolish that was. How could you miss something that simple. Were you so eager to find something to answer me that it blinded you? Not that I'm reproaching anything to the person who made that page . It's nice to see more LN pages made on MAL. Tags errors are a tiny mistake that no one can blame. Besides, it does happen to be that that person technically didn't made any error in the tag list this time. That's what make your answer even funnier. Because yes, technically, the harem tag is fitting. Like I said, it's about the emperor's harem. Obviously, the emperor isn't the MC, so that's not the MC harem. And the MC isn't stealing the emperor's girl either. Besides, you could have deduced that simply from looking at the number of volume. How the hell do you want to cover at least 3 romances (to make a harem) in only one book while having the story focusing on other things like baseball. I guess you missed that hint of your mistake as well. So the MC infiltrate the emperor harem. As such, most of thge girls are part of a harem. Therefore, the book deserves its harem tag. Not in the way you think it does, but it's still correct per se. And yes, technically again, it does deserve its ecchi tag. As a place full of women, there are some scene with women nudity, or partial nudity. It's not lewd scenes, simply scenes with nudity, free of perverted implication. Still, woman nudity enter the realm of eroticism when you tag a work, and therefore ecchi which is our equivalent tag of eroticism on mal is justified as well. So what, little did we know, you're right, it's a harem, and it's erotic! woow. This must be baaaad. No, no, I'm (not)poking fun at you, I swear. But you know, rather than trusting tag or title to judge a work, you could trust someone who actually read long reviews like this one : ファミ通文庫で「耳狩りネルリ」シリーズや「ヴァンパイア・サマータイム」など独特の世界観を表現し続けた 奇才・石川博品のスーパーダッシュ文庫での初の刊行作品は皇帝陛下のハレムを舞台に白球を追う超野球小説! 物語は皇帝・冥滅(メイフメツ)の後宮に一人の新入り宮女がやってくる所から始まる。「彼」の名は海巧(カユク) 冥滅暗殺という復讐を誓った「少年」であった。宦官長の弱みを握っているノミ屋の協力もあり、後宮への潜入に成功した カユクを待っていたのは皇帝陛下の寵愛を賜る為に己の肌と野球の技を磨きあげる事に余念のない女たちの園だった… およそ捉えどころの無い小説である。間違いなく女の園を描いた後宮物語であるし、同時にひたむきに白球を追う 野球小説でもある。それでいて様々な宗教や文化が入り混じったオスマントルコ的な世界を本格的に描いた歴史劇的な 雰囲気と狒々や獣人、果ては吸血鬼や宇宙人すらもが野球に打ち込むファンタジー部分が何故か自然と同居している この明らかに異質な存在が普通に同居している「なんでもあり」な世界観は間違いなく石川博品作品である。異民族が 一つの教室に集まる「ネルリ」や夜の存在である吸血鬼が人間と同じ社会に暮らしている「ヴァンパイアサマータイム」の 系譜を間違いなく引き継いでいる。だが、それらを纏めても足りないぐらいに「異質な存在」をごった煮にした雰囲気が楽しい 女の園である後宮を舞台にしているだけあって乳房や秘所の描写もライトノベルとは思えないぐらいに堂々と描かれているのだが 開けっぴろげな雰囲気が淫猥さを感じさせず、むしろ健康的な開放感を感じさせる。主人公カユクが所属する暁霞舎下臈所の 宮女たちの間の仲間意識がリーグ戦や汚い手を使ってくる他チームとの乱闘劇などを通じて発揮される部分は「同じ釜の飯を食う」 仲間による軍隊生活を感じさせる部分があり、むしろ男性読者にこそ馴染みやすい世界では無いだろうか? 野球小説としても中々考えられており、感心したのは独自ルールとして一試合三回制にしてあるお陰でモタモタした試合展開で ストーリーがダラける事を防ぐ工夫がなされている点かと。その上で二塁手の守備の基本が語られるなど野球技術論もしっかりと しているのが面白い。かと思えばリーグ戦の優勝を掛けた最終戦は超能力バトル化するなど意外性に満ち溢れている (「野球の神様」川上哲治の名台詞「球が止まって見える」をあんな風に使うとは思わなかった…!) 物語としては顔出しだけで本作だけでは何の為に出したかまだよく分からない登場人物が多数いる事を考えれば大きな物語の 第一巻と考えるべきかと。皇帝暗殺を狙うカユクの素性やカユク以外の反皇帝勢力の存在、皇帝冥滅の戦への欲求など これから幾らでも展開させられそうな要素が明かされた事から次巻以降、作者がどう話を広げ、その中で「野球」という最大の 「異質」をどの様に位置付けるのか、まことに興味の尽きない一作である ...Before answering you the first time. I don't know, I think I know more than you, how weird. Didn't I tell you right in the first post? "people like me use the kono rano rankings to see which works were the most voted by the collaborators and discover books they didn't know about"? What do you think I did with a work that was the most voted by the collaborators? How can you think that looking at half the title and half hassedly looking at MAL tag could have any chance to be righter than what I knew of the title? Again, everything was written in my first post, but you completely failed to understand any implication behind it. And as such, while I don't agree often with Fakepriest, I think that his FakePriest said: ]I dont agree with Zefyris often,but GOD you should shut up. ...Was actually a pretty good advice. But yeah, keep them coming if you want. Ignorant peoples like you who come in thread just to look down on things he doesn't know are funny. Especially when, in all the things they could choose to look down onto, you choose so poorly that there is absolutely no recovery possible after the said mistake. Such a delicious development, wouldn't you agree. Should be it. So, if anyone else feels like he want to come in this thread to enjoy looking down on stuff, feel free to read what may happens before doing so. May want to be sure of what you're intending to look down at isn't actually good, right. Zapredon said: I am aware this is not ranking base on sales or popularity.What I mean is that despite having huge readership,only small percentage of people reading Mahouka vote for Mahouka while other LN despite having small readership,huge percentage of the reader still vote for that LN perhaps due to it's quality. Just because something sell bad doesn't mean it's bad in quality . You would expect lots of people would vote for Mahouka to make it to top 10 since it has huge readership but this doesn't happen. If this ranking contain rigged system,it means this ranking are FRAUD in the first place. Why are you calling a poll working properly with rules explained from the start a fraud? it's not rigged, it's working as intended. It's because of those rules that this poll actually holds values compared to most of other polls of this sort. |
ZefyrisNov 22, 2014 5:28 AM
Nov 21, 2014 10:32 PM
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LastChapter said: I'm not saying it's rigged in a cheating way, but it's formatted in a way where less known series get more leeway. Best example of a system that is not purely based on one concept is MAL's rating system. And it's not a small percentage of people that voted for Mahouka, a majority of the voters did. If it were based on popularity votes, Mahouka is #5 for normal voters. For how this certain poll is formatted, it's ranked 13 out of hundreds among hundreds of series. You can even look at the score distribution of the top 30 yourself: And I just noticed your sig too, I'm not going to put any more effort in arguing further. So even if majority does vote for Mahouka, it still doesn't make it to top ten? It shows that there are other factors that make it doesn't rank top ten whatever it is. If it ranked 7th among monitor,then shouldn't it still be in top ten? What are the other factor that cause it didn't make it to top ten?From quality point of view perhaps? According to wikipedia,the ranking is base on poll. The guide book publishes a list of the top ten most popular light novels and their characters according to readers polled on the Internet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kono_Light_Novel_ga_Sugoi! Zefyris said: Why are you calling a poll working properly with rules explained from the start a fraud? it's not rigged, it's working as intended. It's because of those rules that this poll actually holds values compared to most of other polls of this sort. Can tell me the detail of the rules? I think wiki doesn't explain it. Or is the ranking is similar to MAL? |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 10:48 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 10:47 PM
#24
Zapredon said: So even if majority does vote for Mahouka, it still doesn't make it to top ten? It shows that there are other factors that make it doesn't rank top ten whatever it is. From quality point of view perhaps? According to wikipedia,the ranking is base on poll. It doesn't says anything that it formatted in a way where less known series get more leeway. The guide book publishes a list of the top ten most popular light novels and their characters according to readers polled on the Internet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kono_Light_Novel_ga_Sugoi! And you're saying that you're trusting an open source website such as Wikipedia, which tends to have a higher rate of inaccuracy on foreign subjects as this poll. Let's take the English Wikipedia page for the LN series DanMachi then. I'm not even going to nitpick the inconsistencies and instead focus on the character names. Someone obviously copy/pasted the Japanese names to Google Translate and formed a name in English that may make sense without even consulting the official romanizations. Anyone also with a basic knowledge of Japanese would also know ベル (beru) doesn't translate to Vel, it's Bell. The other spellings are tricky, so I give them credit for not being too inaccurate, but if they cared enough, the editor/s could easily dig further for the official spellings of the name. Now back on topic. Whatever Zefyris wrote above pretty much explained what you need to know with a general overview. |
Nov 21, 2014 10:56 PM
#25
LastChapter said: Zapredon said: So even if majority does vote for Mahouka, it still doesn't make it to top ten? It shows that there are other factors that make it doesn't rank top ten whatever it is. From quality point of view perhaps? According to wikipedia,the ranking is base on poll. It doesn't says anything that it formatted in a way where less known series get more leeway. The guide book publishes a list of the top ten most popular light novels and their characters according to readers polled on the Internet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kono_Light_Novel_ga_Sugoi! And you're saying that you're trusting an open source website such as Wikipedia, which tends to have a higher rate of inaccuracy on foreign subjects as this poll. Let's take the English Wikipedia page for the LN series DanMachi then. I'm not even going to nitpick the inconsistencies and instead focus on the character names. Someone obviously copy/pasted the Japanese names to Google Translate and formed a name in English that may make sense without even consulting the official romanizations. Anyone also with a basic knowledge of Japanese would also know ベル (beru) doesn't translate to Vel, it's Bell. The other spellings are tricky, so I give them credit for not being too inaccurate, but if they cared enough, the editor/s could easily dig further for the official spellings of the name. Now back on topic. Whatever Zefyris wrote above pretty much explained what you need to know with a general overview. Consider that there are no English source of the rules,so of course I will have to rely on wikipedia. Beside,MAL is English forum and you can't expect everyone to know Japanese. I'm still looking for someone to explain the rules in English here. I still don't understand why Mahouka which is ranked 5th in HP and 7th in Monitor didn't make it to top ten. Any other factors you didn't tell me?And what is this leeway for lesser known LN you talking about? Zefyris didn't explain the rules at all. |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 10:59 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 11:00 PM
#26
Zapredon said: I'm still looking for someone to explain the rules in English here. I still don't understand why Mahouka which is ranked 5th in HP and 7th in Monitor didn't make it to top ten. Any other factors you didn't tell me?And what is this leeway for lesser known LN you talking about? Zefyris said: Not convinced? Then let me inform you about how the LN poll of the kono light nove wa sugoi works. While the other poll in this magazine are only popularity based, the LN poll has 3 categories of voters adding their vote. One is your normal readers, one is the monitors which are readers reading a lot of LN selected specially for this, and the last one is... People from the LN industry. For years, people from the industry have been pushing less known titles in those rankings, trying to promote quality titles ignored by the masses, with somewhat significant successes. And when the ranking are announced, while you have the sum of everything, you also get in the magazine how much each title received by each group of voters. As such, some peoples like me see konorano rankings as an opportunity to find less known but quality titles published during this year by looking at which title were the most supported by collaborators. |
Nov 21, 2014 11:06 PM
#27
LastChapter said: Zapredon said: I'm still looking for someone to explain the rules in English here. I still don't understand why Mahouka which is ranked 5th in HP and 7th in Monitor didn't make it to top ten. Any other factors you didn't tell me?And what is this leeway for lesser known LN you talking about? Zefyris said: Not convinced? Then let me inform you about how the LN poll of the kono light nove wa sugoi works. While the other poll in this magazine are only popularity based, the LN poll has 3 categories of voters adding their vote. One is your normal readers, one is the monitors which are readers reading a lot of LN selected specially for this, and the last one is... People from the LN industry. For years, people from the industry have been pushing less known titles in those rankings, trying to promote quality titles ignored by the masses, with somewhat significant successes. And when the ranking are announced, while you have the sum of everything, you also get in the magazine how much each title received by each group of voters. As such, some peoples like me see konorano rankings as an opportunity to find less known but quality titles published during this year by looking at which title were the most supported by collaborators. Thanks. It's in the spoiler tag. From what I see,looks like this ranking is not really what I would consider as legitimate top ten best LN or whatever it is since there are also agenda to put less known LN into the list to promote it. So what makes Mahouka didn't make it to top ten is because other less known LN take it's spots? Mahouka popularity cause it's ranking to drop? Stupid reason to be honest.Still,how does Oregairu,SAO,NGNL,and Index make it there? I thought they are well known enough. Overall,the list in OP not really a legitimate top ten LN for sure. |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 11:14 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 11:14 PM
#28
Zapredon said: Thanks. It's in the spoiler tag. From what I see,looks like this ranking is not really what I would consider as legitimate top ten best LN or whatever it is since there are also agenda to put less known LN into the list to promote it. So what makes Mahouka didn't make it to top ten is because other less LN take it's spots? Mahouka popularity cause it's ranking to drop? Stupid reason to be honest.Still,how does Oregairu,SAO,NGNL,and Index make it there? I thought they are well known enough. Overall,the list in OP not really a legitimate top ten LN for sure. Remember that this poll is not a popularity poll. It's legitimate because the voters know of its ranking methods beforehand. If you want ranks based on sales or popularity, there are definitely lots of those. What makes Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi unique is that it is able to bring in popular and lesser known series together in one ranking system. It's not to show which series are the best, but bring awareness to series that deserve it. As for the top 4, they're just too popular to drop to any lower ranks lol. |
Nov 21, 2014 11:21 PM
#29
Zapredon said: Thanks. It's in the spoiler tag. From what I see,looks like this ranking is not really what I would consider as legitimate top ten best LN or whatever it is since there are also agenda to put less known LN into the list to promote it. So what makes Mahouka didn't make it to top ten is because other less LN take it's spots? Mahouka popularity cause it's ranking to drop? Stupid reason to be honest.Still,how does Oregairu,SAO,NGNL,and Index make it there? I thought they are well known enough. Overall,the list in OP not really a legitimate top ten LN for sure. I'm not sure what you mean by legitimate top 10. Do you mean in terms of popularity only? Because otherwise top 10 list are always gonna be subjective. It isn't too hard too to see the top 10 lists for each category of voters as the votes for each series are listed by voter type as well as the overall sum: LastChapter said: Here are the top 10 by each voter category: Top 10 in term of HP rank (Normal Voters): AKA Popularity? 1. Oregairu (136.41) 2. Index (98.15) 3. SAO (53.54) 4. NGNL (29.85) 5. Mahouka (25.03) 6. Black Bullet (21.33) 7. Danmachi (20.51) 8. Haganai (15.18) 9. Kiniro Quartet (13.44) 10. Baka Test (12.41) Collab top 10: AKA Industry Critics? 1. Harem Baseball (131.15) 2. Deep Sea Solaris (111.48) 3. NGNL (106.56) 4. Oregairu (103.28) 5. Escape Speed (95.08) 6. A certain pilot (93.44) 6. This love, that future (93.44) 8. Aldermin (81.97) 9. Kiniro Quartet (80.33) 10. Saenai Kanojo (78.69) Top 10 for monitor: AKA Somewhat mix of both (sort of)? 1. SAO (98.06) 2. Durarara!! (52.43) 3. Baka Test (49.51) 4. Oregairu (45.63) 5. Kagepro (44.66) 6. Hidan no Aria (43.69) 7. Mahouka (40.78) 7. Kino no Tabi (40.78) 9. NGNL (36.89) 10. Index (33.98) You can see where Mahouka lost points on. Its readers didn't vote for it. Compare it to series like Index which currently has lower sales per new volume but its readers LOVE the series so much that they voted 4 times as much for it compared it Mahouka. Were any of these lists what you meant by legitimate? |
OHandSNov 21, 2014 11:32 PM
Nov 21, 2014 11:25 PM
#30
LastChapter said: Zapredon said: Thanks. It's in the spoiler tag. From what I see,looks like this ranking is not really what I would consider as legitimate top ten best LN or whatever it is since there are also agenda to put less known LN into the list to promote it. So what makes Mahouka didn't make it to top ten is because other less LN take it's spots? Mahouka popularity cause it's ranking to drop? Stupid reason to be honest.Still,how does Oregairu,SAO,NGNL,and Index make it there? I thought they are well known enough. Overall,the list in OP not really a legitimate top ten LN for sure. Remember that this poll is not a popularity poll. It's legitimate because the voters know of its ranking methods beforehand. If you want ranks based on sales or popularity, there are definitely lots of those. What makes Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi unique is that it is able to bring in popular and lesser known series together in one ranking system. It's not to show which series are the best, but bring awareness to series that deserve it. As for the top 4, they're just too popular to drop to any lower ranks lol. I know it's legitimate,but calling it ranking just doesn't feel right since there's also agenda to push less known novel into the list. But yeah,I understand what you saying here. Maybe top ten most underrated LN to introduce the lesser known LN will be better but I guess if you lump them together with other well known LN,it will generate more attention and thus,more sell and more $$$. OHandS said: I'm not sure what you mean by legitimate top 10. Do you mean in terms of popularity only? Because otherwise top 10 list are always gonna be subjective. In term of how majority feel about certain series where no agenda to promote the lesser known LN. Thanks for the translation. Monitor=elite viewer? Yes,Oregairu still ranked number one. OHandS said: You can see where Mahouka lost points on. Its readers didn't vote for it. Compare it to series like Index which currently has lower sales per new volume but its readers LOVE the series so much that they voted 4 times as much for it compared it Mahouka. Were any of these lists what you meant by legitimate? Thanks again. You are really helpful. WOW! Index sure has huge percentage of readers voting for it compare to Mahouka. Good for it. Not a huge fans of Index anime but Misaka and Accelerator are great characters. Any announcement for new season? Is Hidan no Aria good? I dropped the anime in very early episode. YES! Durara did well in Monitor ranking. |
ZapredonNov 21, 2014 11:46 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Nov 21, 2014 11:45 PM
#31
Zapredon said: In term of how majority feel about certain series where no agenda to promote the lesser known LN. Thanks for the translation. Monitor=elite viewer? Yes,Oregairu still ranked number one. Well, the normal voters poll should be the one you're looking for. I suppose the Monitor is kinda like an elite viewer but one can't help notice the blatant bias that they have for some series. 98 points for SAO with the next highest being Drrr!! with 52? What utter BS; anime exposure can only amount to so much. But of course Oregairu would place first in the poll. It truly deserved it after what it did with its characters this year. Thanks again. You are really helpful. WOW! Index sure has huge percentage of readers voting for it compare to Mahouka. Good for it. Not a huge fans of Index anime but Misaka and Accelerator are awesome. Any announcement for new season? Pigs will fly before we get an announcement for Season 3. Is Hidan no Aria good? I dropped the anime in very early episode. Its somehow managed to keep a stable readership about half the size Index's current readership. It must be doing something right. Though I have no idea; zero interest in the series. |
OHandSNov 21, 2014 11:48 PM
Nov 22, 2014 12:55 AM
#32
Zapredon said: Maybe top ten most underrated LN to introduce the lesser known LN will be better but I guess if you lump them together with other well known LN,it will generate more attention and thus,more sell and more $$$. Not really, as all categories are voting amongst all light novels. It's just that some of those categories are familiar with more light novels than others. Noone was (supposed to be) voting on a series because it isn't popular enough. Zapredon said: WOW! Index sure has huge percentage of readers voting for it compare to Mahouka. Good for it. While this is true, Kiniro Quartet is the real big one in this respect. I don't think it's ever even got on the rankings? It certainly hasn't ever sold >10k. All the others on that top 10 have something at least over 30k. |
There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Nov 22, 2014 2:28 AM
#33
why izayoi from mondaiji doesnt in rank lol i think he is more badass than satomi rentaro from black bullet -_- |
Nov 22, 2014 2:45 AM
#34
Nov 22, 2014 3:04 AM
#35
Gare said: why izayoi from mondaiji doesnt in rank lol i think he is more badass than satomi rentaro from black bullet -_- He's 11th. Yeri-chan said: Durarara isn't in the rankings anymore *sigh* It's 17th. |
There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Nov 22, 2014 4:36 AM
#36
Nov 22, 2014 5:00 AM
#37
^ Well. Let me remind you how you got your ass handed to you on a platter... :) Zefyris said: TheNaturalPerm said: and what the fuck is harem league basketball...sounds and looks like cancer. Zefyris said: That's why people like you are such a ridiculous bunch in any LN related news you know. With no offense intended, of course. The "harem" here is in the "inner palace" meaning of the term, not the "school life harem" that you see in lots of anime. So, Harem in its true meaning historically. In other words, it's both a story about inner palace's concubines and about baseball. Your comment is especially hilarious because this LN may actually be the best LN of the 60. I mean, the author is Ishikawa Hiroshi. That's the author of works like mimikari neruri series and vampire summer time after all. While the author may have made a miss this time- I haven't read it, so maybe - that's quite a package for the author as the titles I cited were quite acclaimed, especially mimikari neruri. Not convinced? Then let me inform you about how the LN poll of the kono light nove wa sugoi works. While the other poll in this magazine are only popularity based, the LN poll has 3 categories of voters adding their vote. One is your normal readers, one is the monitors which are readers reading a lot of LN selected specially for this, and the last one is... People from the LN industry. For years, people from the industry have been pushing less known titles in those rankings, trying to promote quality titles ignored by the masses, with somewhat significant successes. And when the ranking are announced, while you have the sum of everything, you also get in the magazine how much each title received by each group of voters. As such, some peoples like me see konorano rankings as an opportunity to find less known but quality titles published during this year by looking at which title were the most supported by collaborators. I suppose you're seeing it coming now. Guess which was the title this year with the most support from the collaborators (by quite a huge margin first, to boot)? Yeah, that's exactly it. You may want to refrain badmouthing when you don't know. Judging a title by its cover or by its title only shows how much ignorant you are in the end. TheNaturalPerm said: you know...the genres are ecchi harem and gender bender AND to top it off a light novel. according to the genres it sure is harem you know? There is absolutely 0 potential of this not sucking. Don't kid yourself lol. Zefyris said: AHAHAHAH you're awesome xD. When I wrote the previous answer, I didn't imagine that I would receive such hilarious answer once again. You really don't know when to stop, and as a result of it, you're looking more and more like a complete ignorant. Okay, so, I hope you won't mind me poking a little fun at you. i mean, you're so full of yourself, you should be able to handle that much, right :3. So after judging a title by its... Title, you're now judging it by... using the MAL tags. I'm sorry, really, I have a hard time not laughing when I write those words. BEcause, you know, MAL tags are well known to be accurate. Especially, in case such like this, where after looking at the MAL page for this work for 10 seconds, you can see three things -No synopsis -No one on MAL completed it (neutral loben doesn't count, obviously, as he hasn't read it like you surely know) - One volume long -> from the fact it's one volume long and that no one completed it, you can easily deduce that the user who made that MAL page hasn't read this book at all. -> from the fact that it has no synopsis, yo ucan also deduce that the user who made it either - doesn't know japanese and therefore couldn't translate the japanese synopsis -Know japanese but didn't take 10 minutes of his/her time to translate that very short synopsis. In either case, it's pretty clear that the person who made that page hasn't read a single review of that title. I mean, reading a full review require either to know japanese or to search a lot an english review that may or may not be somewhere on the internet, and therefore a lot of time. Which, like the fact that the synopsis wasn't translated shows, wasn't something the person who made that page was ready to do. From there, only spending 10seconds looking at that MAL page, you can deduce that the person who put the tags had almost no knowledge of the content. There's aready a lot of titles on MAL with tags error, and all of thing, you used tags from a page created by someone with almost no knowledge of that title to look down on it. I hope you realize how foolish that was. How could you miss something that simple. Were you so eager to find something to answer me that it blinded you? Not that I'm reproaching anything to the person who made that page . It's nice to see more LN pages made on MAL. Tags errors are a tiny mistake that no one can blame. Besides, it does happen to be that that person technically didn't made any error in the tag list this time. That's what make your answer even funnier. Because yes, technically, the harem tag is fitting. Like I said, it's about the emperor's harem. Obviously, the emperor isn't the MC, so that's not the MC harem. And the MC isn't stealing the emperor's girl either. Besides, you could have deduced that simply from looking at the number of volume. How the hell do you want to cover at least 3 romances (to make a harem) in only one book while having the story focusing on other things like baseball. I guess you missed that hint of your mistake as well. So the MC infiltrate the emperor harem. As such, most of thge girls are part of a harem. Therefore, the book deserves its harem tag. Not in the way you think it does, but it's still correct per se. And yes, technically again, it does deserve its ecchi tag. As a place full of women, there are some scene with women nudity, or partial nudity. It's not lewd scenes, simply scenes with nudity, free of perverted implication. Still, woman nudity enter the realm of eroticism when you tag a work, and therefore ecchi which is our equivalent tag of eroticism on mal is justified as well. So what, little did we know, you're right, it's a harem, and it's erotic! woow. This must be baaaad. No, no, I'm (not)poking fun at you, I swear. But you know, rather than trusting tag or title to judge a work, you could trust someone who actually read long reviews like this one : ファミ通文庫で「耳狩りネルリ」シリーズや「ヴァンパイア・サマータイム」など独特の世界観を表現し続けた 奇才・石川博品のスーパーダッシュ文庫での初の刊行作品は皇帝陛下のハレムを舞台に白球を追う超野球小説! 物語は皇帝・冥滅(メイフメツ)の後宮に一人の新入り宮女がやってくる所から始まる。「彼」の名は海巧(カユク) 冥滅暗殺という復讐を誓った「少年」であった。宦官長の弱みを握っているノミ屋の協力もあり、後宮への潜入に成功した カユクを待っていたのは皇帝陛下の寵愛を賜る為に己の肌と野球の技を磨きあげる事に余念のない女たちの園だった… およそ捉えどころの無い小説である。間違いなく女の園を描いた後宮物語であるし、同時にひたむきに白球を追う 野球小説でもある。それでいて様々な宗教や文化が入り混じったオスマントルコ的な世界を本格的に描いた歴史劇的な 雰囲気と狒々や獣人、果ては吸血鬼や宇宙人すらもが野球に打ち込むファンタジー部分が何故か自然と同居している この明らかに異質な存在が普通に同居している「なんでもあり」な世界観は間違いなく石川博品作品である。異民族が 一つの教室に集まる「ネルリ」や夜の存在である吸血鬼が人間と同じ社会に暮らしている「ヴァンパイアサマータイム」の 系譜を間違いなく引き継いでいる。だが、それらを纏めても足りないぐらいに「異質な存在」をごった煮にした雰囲気が楽しい 女の園である後宮を舞台にしているだけあって乳房や秘所の描写もライトノベルとは思えないぐらいに堂々と描かれているのだが 開けっぴろげな雰囲気が淫猥さを感じさせず、むしろ健康的な開放感を感じさせる。主人公カユクが所属する暁霞舎下臈所の 宮女たちの間の仲間意識がリーグ戦や汚い手を使ってくる他チームとの乱闘劇などを通じて発揮される部分は「同じ釜の飯を食う」 仲間による軍隊生活を感じさせる部分があり、むしろ男性読者にこそ馴染みやすい世界では無いだろうか? 野球小説としても中々考えられており、感心したのは独自ルールとして一試合三回制にしてあるお陰でモタモタした試合展開で ストーリーがダラける事を防ぐ工夫がなされている点かと。その上で二塁手の守備の基本が語られるなど野球技術論もしっかりと しているのが面白い。かと思えばリーグ戦の優勝を掛けた最終戦は超能力バトル化するなど意外性に満ち溢れている (「野球の神様」川上哲治の名台詞「球が止まって見える」をあんな風に使うとは思わなかった…!) 物語としては顔出しだけで本作だけでは何の為に出したかまだよく分からない登場人物が多数いる事を考えれば大きな物語の 第一巻と考えるべきかと。皇帝暗殺を狙うカユクの素性やカユク以外の反皇帝勢力の存在、皇帝冥滅の戦への欲求など これから幾らでも展開させられそうな要素が明かされた事から次巻以降、作者がどう話を広げ、その中で「野球」という最大の 「異質」をどの様に位置付けるのか、まことに興味の尽きない一作である ...Before answering you the first time. I don't know, I think I know more than you, how weird. Didn't I tell you right in the first post? "people like me use the kono rano rankings to see which works were the most voted by the collaborators and discover books they didn't know about"? What do you think I did with a work that was the most voted by the collaborators? How can you think that looking at half the title and half hassedly looking at MAL tag could have any chance to be righter than what I knew of the title? Again, everything was written in my first post, but you completely failed to understand any implication behind it. And as such, while I don't agree often with FakePriest, I think that his FakePriest said: I dont agree with Zefyris often,but GOD you should shut up. ...Was actually a pretty good advice. But yeah, keep them coming if you want. Ignorant peoples like you who come in thread just to look down on things he doesn't know are funny. Especially when, in all the things they could choose to look down onto, you choose so poorly that there is absolutely no recovery possible after the said mistake. Such a delicious development, wouldn't you agree. So, if anyone else feels like he want to come in this thread to enjoy looking down on stuff, feel free to read what may happens before doing so. May want to be sure of what you're intending to look down at isn't actually good, right. Ring any bells? |
Nov 22, 2014 5:07 AM
#38
OHandS said: Zapredon said: Thanks. It's in the spoiler tag. From what I see,looks like this ranking is not really what I would consider as legitimate top ten best LN or whatever it is since there are also agenda to put less known LN into the list to promote it. So what makes Mahouka didn't make it to top ten is because other less LN take it's spots? Mahouka popularity cause it's ranking to drop? Stupid reason to be honest.Still,how does Oregairu,SAO,NGNL,and Index make it there? I thought they are well known enough. Overall,the list in OP not really a legitimate top ten LN for sure. I'm not sure what you mean by legitimate top 10. Do you mean in terms of popularity only? Because otherwise top 10 list are always gonna be subjective. It isn't too hard too to see the top 10 lists for each category of voters as the votes for each series are listed by voter type as well as the overall sum: LastChapter said: Here are the top 10 by each voter category: Top 10 in term of HP rank (Normal Voters): AKA Popularity? 1. Oregairu (136.41) 2. Index (98.15) 3. SAO (53.54) 4. NGNL (29.85) 5. Mahouka (25.03) 6. Black Bullet (21.33) 7. Danmachi (20.51) 8. Haganai (15.18) 9. Kiniro Quartet (13.44) 10. Baka Test (12.41) Collab top 10: AKA Industry Critics? 1. Harem Baseball (131.15) 2. Deep Sea Solaris (111.48) 3. NGNL (106.56) 4. Oregairu (103.28) 5. Escape Speed (95.08) 6. A certain pilot (93.44) 6. This love, that future (93.44) 8. Aldermin (81.97) 9. Kiniro Quartet (80.33) 10. Saenai Kanojo (78.69) Top 10 for monitor: AKA Somewhat mix of both (sort of)? 1. SAO (98.06) 2. Durarara!! (52.43) 3. Baka Test (49.51) 4. Oregairu (45.63) 5. Kagepro (44.66) 6. Hidan no Aria (43.69) 7. Mahouka (40.78) 7. Kino no Tabi (40.78) 9. NGNL (36.89) 10. Index (33.98) You can see where Mahouka lost points on. Its readers didn't vote for it. Compare it to series like Index which currently has lower sales per new volume but its readers LOVE the series so much that they voted 4 times as much for it compared it Mahouka. Were any of these lists what you meant by legitimate? Can someone explain to me why a title would have 0 monitor points? There seem to be quite a few with 0. And yikes there is such a wide range in HP points, do they minimize the impact of that somehow? Like making the HP points worth less or something? |
Nov 22, 2014 5:08 AM
#39
TheNaturalPerm said: Huh wait. where are the walls of text at? I was sure someone got rl mad at me for looking down on some random trash novel. Must've been my imagination~ what are you talking about? Your answer is above, in spoiler tags. Must be hard to support being so ridiculous, you're now trying to escape reality by not seeing what is right under your nose? ;o But man, this is really sad that people like you are not sanctioned for your pitiful behavior. You're clearly ignoring completely the rules of this forum with most of the post you make, and obviously mostly to troll other and get angered answers (attention whore, much?). And the moderation team completely looks away from what your lot does, only deleting the post when someone talk back to you and that the situation is getting too noisy. And this is happening right under the nose of the staff, directly in the news thread, again and again, by the same group.All your lot should have been forbidden of posting in news threads since a very long time. The fact that people can still see you doing the same thing incites more person to do the same, since they know that they won't get any sanction for it. I would rather ignore that kind of troll and just let the moderation kick your butt once and for all, but alas... Whatever, if they don't move then it can't be helped. From what I see,looks like this ranking is not really what I would consider as legitimate top ten best LN or whatever it is since there are also agenda to put less known LN into the list to promote it. So what makes Mahouka didn't make it to top ten is because other less known LN take it's spots? Mahouka popularity cause it's ranking to drop? Stupid reason to be honest.Still,how does Oregairu,SAO,NGNL,and Index make it there? I thought they are well known enough. Overall,the list in OP not really a legitimate top ten LN for sure. That's not how you should take it. This is made so that the three category can bring in the top titles that they heavily support, and that a title supported by several groups will win the poll. Mahouka is the 5th most supported by one third of the voting population. As such, why should it go into the global top 10? Look at index for example. It wasn't supported at all by the collaborator, yet didn't have any problem to rank in the top ten. Also, if you understood my post as "collaborators votes for a title because it's less popular" then I didn't explain it properly. Critics and people from the industry simply will vote more for what they believe is "quality" than the other group. Which is why the kono rano pools results for best LN are more than just a popularity poll, and far more interesting to consult as well. Hahalollawl said: Can someone explain to me why a title would have 0 monitor points? There seem to be quite a few with 0. BEcause there was a huge list of titles eligible, and you nly get the top 60 overall. Obviously, monitor who read more than hp are more susceptible to vote for a title not well known than the hp group. As such, it's only natural than part of their votes is unavailable in the result displayed. On the contrary, popular titles that were massively voted by hp for example still managed to rank in. If they received no vote from monitors, then obviously the votes are 0 in the end. What's important for the ranking is the sum of them. If a title has 0 votes in one of the sub categories, it mean that no voter from that category liked that title, plain, and simple. Hahalollawl said: There seem to be quite a few with 0. And yikes there is such a wide range in HP points, do they minimize the impact of that somehow? Like making the HP points worth less or something? Since a few years already, the votes are weighted, yes. It's only logical when you think about it. If you want each group to be able to compete in their support and not have one group larger in number getting all the top spot, then if you have different sized group you need to weight them accordingly. There is obviously far less collaborators than HP voters for example. As such, one collaborator's vote weight far more. As the result of this, each side can effectively bring their favorites into the top of the global ranking. |
ZefyrisNov 22, 2014 5:31 AM
Nov 22, 2014 6:44 AM
#40
Nov 22, 2014 7:34 AM
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would very much like to read this LN *8. Toaru Hikuushi no Seiyaku |
Nov 22, 2014 7:38 AM
#42
Mr_Gutts said: would very much like to read this LN *8. Toaru Hikuushi no Seiyaku I was actually surprised to see that one ranking so high. I was heavily disappointed by the first titleToaru Hikuushi no Tsuioku, so much that I have yet to read ~Koiuta which was written next, even though I own all the volumes as well. While the author writes well, that's about the only good thing I could praise ~Tsuioku about. Maybe I should give it a try after all. I'm a bit afraid of having something as disappointing as Tsuioku again though... |
Nov 22, 2014 10:33 AM
#44
Nov 22, 2014 10:49 AM
#45
Nov 22, 2014 12:54 PM
#46
Mr_Gutts said: would very much like to read this LN *8. Toaru Hikuushi no Seiyaku Would very much like to see an anime of that LN. Even though I haven't read it, those character designs look quite nice and it seems like it could be a romance love triangle. Zefyris said: I was actually surprised to see that one ranking so high. I was heavily disappointed by the first titleToaru Hikuushi no Tsuioku, so much that I have yet to read ~Koiuta which was written next, even though I own all the volumes as well. While the author writes well, that's about the only good thing I could praise ~Tsuioku about. Maybe I should give it a try after all. I'm a bit afraid of having something as disappointing as Tsuioku again though... Really? I'm not sure about the LN, but I liked the movie Tsuioku quite a lot. Different tastes perhaps. |
Nov 22, 2014 2:38 PM
#47
After reading Zefyris's explanation about Koukyuu Rakuen Kyoujou - Harem League Baseball, I'm curious......... is the Gender-Bender tag correct too? If it is, then does that mean the MC is a guy cross-dressing as a girl and joins the emperor's harem by pretending to be a girl and plays baseball with them? 10. Sorouku Ikuta (Tenkyou no Alderamin) This guy must be pretty strong/bad-ass huh? Anime adaptation please! Really happy for all the LNs that ranked, especially the ones I like :P . They should all celebrate with new seasons and new anime adaptations! |
Nov 22, 2014 4:39 PM
#48
AdolTheRed said: After reading Zefyris's explanation about Koukyuu Rakuen Kyoujou - Harem League Baseball, I'm curious......... is the Gender-Bender tag correct too? If it is, then does that mean the MC is a guy cross-dressing as a girl and joins the emperor's harem by pretending to be a girl and plays baseball with them? The story kind of reminds me of Dress na Boku. 10. Sorouku Ikuta (Tenkyou no Alderamin) AdolTheRed said: This guy must be pretty strong/bad-ass huh? Anime adaptation please! Ikuta is the most badass military tactician I've seen. He's also well developed and one of the few male protagonists that I find charming. |
Nov 22, 2014 6:19 PM
#49
Nov 22, 2014 9:43 PM
#50
Well Oregairu has here.. |
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