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Nov 20, 2014 1:19 PM

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To people wondering why Sibyl just don't switch off the dominators :
Sybil just works as a one-mind, it doesn't look like they're actually thinking, the brains just work as computing power biased by their criminal asymptotic aspect. Yet, a computer can't lie to itself, if it computes something that it thinks is right (here the authentification of Shisui), its output will be made in consequence.
A computer can't auto-regulate itself, when it works poorly, all you can do is turn it off or fix it from the outside, but no one has the authority to do that in Psycho-Pass universe, remember that Chief Kasei is just here to represent power, she is just a vessel existing for the sole purpose of voicing Sybil's thoughts.

If Sybil was able to lie about its measurement of psycho-passes, it would be painting criminal asymptotics as enforcement targets so they can be detained and then assimilated by the system.

tldr; Sybil is just a computer with its own sense of justice that it can't betray by any means.
 
Nov 20, 2014 1:24 PM

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meh........
So far only character I can find remotely interesting is Togane. IMO he might be be the actual villain........
So wait, Akane is mad cause sybil system is not trying to do the same they tried to do with Sougo with Kamui......WTF.......
 
Nov 20, 2014 1:31 PM

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Nice seeing that scene with Kogami.
 
Nov 20, 2014 1:33 PM

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A much better episode, with yuri no less. But will they be able to keep this up in the coming episodes? I have my doubts, but I'll enjoy the decent episode while I can.
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Nov 20, 2014 1:37 PM

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Best episode of this series,so far! Mainly because the story is now starting to take off and make sense. Interesting that lots of characters are actually holo's..
Togane is the only interesting character though, can't wait to see how his story unfolds.
 
Nov 20, 2014 1:55 PM

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Those holograms are too op.. plz nerf

This.

I don't know how I feel about Togane anymore. I liked him at first, he seemed like a classy guy, and his having the highest recorded Crime Coefficient didn't deter me at first, but now we know why his Crime Coefficient is so high, and I'm not sure what to think.

It's about time Kogami is getting mentions in this sequel. It's not like he was the literal backbone of season 1 or anything. (oh, wait...)
 
Nov 20, 2014 1:59 PM

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Now this felt much more like what Psycho-Pass should be (at least in my eyes).

Everything is starting to come together now. But to think that Kamui can disguise himself as 185 people? Never saw that coming. It does make me wonder why he didn't make a move sooner if he has been lurking around since season one.
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:07 PM

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yo damn. 5/5 episode. great plot development.
and although fan service bugs me more often than not..karanamori-senpaiiiiiiiiiii~
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:10 PM

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That Kirito is up to no good as always I see.

And Mika is like one useless parasite. Unlike Migi, who's actually a useful one.
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:10 PM

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So, Togane is related to the drug patenting company (fittingly called Togane)?
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:11 PM
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i ll still want to stcik to my plan about the whole kagari is kamui but i guess they are really trying hard at making us believe otherwise , now it appear that Kamui is entirely new person lol and sibyl somehow deliberating trying so hard to hide his existence, That shimotuski still alive? for now i hope , she is retarded i don't understqnd why is she still not clouded yet , and idk why but i think that akane grandsma isn't her grandma anymore, i could be wrong. But this really stop being a mystery serie , it start to go ham and decide to ignore knox 's law and our poor akane is getting manipulated so hard , Hinakawa respect our girl now , i want to see yayoi arc omg but the moment "they" met it's the end for her qs well so QQ , i miss urobutcher work ,if this one didn't turn out like the other, it will clearly show that Urobutcher is apparently turn into a MARKETTING symbole , fyou Nitroplus forever
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:15 PM

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i ll still want to stcik to my plan about the whole kagari is kamui but i guess they are really trying hard at making us believe otherwise , now it appear that Kamui is entirely new person lol and sibyl somehow deliberating trying so hard to hide his existence, That shimotuski still alive? for now i hope , she is retarded i don't understqnd why is she still not clouded yet , and idk why but i think that akane grandsma isn't her grandma anymore, i could be wrong. But this really stop being a mystery serie , it start to go ham and decide to ignore knox 's law and our poor akane is getting manipulated so hard , Hinakawa respect our girl now , i want to see yayoi arc omg but the moment "they" met it's the end for her qs well so QQ , i miss urobutcher work ,if this one didn't turn out like the other, it will clearly show that Urobutcher is apparently turn into a MARKETTING symbole , fyou Nitroplus forever


How did you come up with the idea that Kagumi and Kamui are the same? They don't look the same, have different voices and different ideologies.
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:17 PM

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As for the episode, i have absolutely no clue why so many people are praising it. It was as bad as it has been up till now. No hope left for this show. PP1 was so much better than this unsubtle shit. Shimotsuki being secretive about touganes secret? Kogami fanservice scene? Sibyl not terminating shisui's license? lolol. Its a train wreck, and nothing can save it. Far from a masterpiece. PP1 was so good, i hope the movie is better. I'll just forget this ever existed.
No hate guys, everyones entitled to his opinion.
Oh and why are people writing "kamagui" and weird names :s Learn to spell pls


It's hard to take an opinion of someone of what an "intellectual" show might be whom does not even practice proper English grammar.
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:27 PM
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hassan0297 said:

Wow! Brilliant! What's the whole point of the show then?
If you think you can create something better,by all means please do so.
No one's stopping you.Create something that makes much more sense than Psycho-Pass.Prove that it is shitty not by your words but by your actions.Why are you spreading YOUR hate in the community by replying to those who think it's a good show.That's your opinion.No need to force it on others.


If you disagree with what he says then you should explain why you think he is wrong instead of hysterically screaming at him to make his own god damn anime and that he is a hater. LOL

I am sure there got to be a movie out there that you didn't like, so i am going to go full retard and call you a hater for not liking that one movie and tell you that you should do your own if you don't like it. See? It doesn't make any sense at all what you replied to him.

as you should have known by now, resisting a system that totally doesn't give any hood about people life will turn up well, akane is the model citizen of the system , qnd that Hivemind already make a threat to END her back in season 1 , she is alone in this fight , she carry secret that can get anybody she ever care and love KILLED , in a spectacular way i may add, but that's not the point , she isn't dumb she knows that being in the system give her more access countless info than going rogue , and she said it back in the season1 that This town need this system , did you thing it's a UTOPIA? nope it's a DYSTOPIA , despise having a full system of surveillance ,people will always be evil and just like ELYSIUM it's a necessary evil , no it doesn't mean that it's right,but people need it ,ignorance is a bliss is't it, ido agree that i find it heavily disappointing that she didn't shoot kamui with machine gun , but it's up to her , if that tougane don't snatch that gun away she would have EVOLVE , now she is growing up , as Salvatore Doni said "if i don't him fight solo , how could he lvl up". I still don't understand why this anime isn't WRITTEN and DIRECTED by urobutcher , This is cleary someone else work , i know that he is still producer but shit , the one who put this into work , make it like B rate , movie lol , but I will stick till the end ,and if i was "right" this one wouldn't be so bad after all.
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:37 PM
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Meh episode up until the grand reveal at the end.

 
Nov 20, 2014 2:43 PM

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That was great.
A slow episode but it was so thrilling with revelations.
So those two are still sleeping together, and they were researching about the red aired guy, a little of background.
 
Nov 20, 2014 2:47 PM

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K enough masochism, drop.
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:00 PM

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Dkt said:
To people wondering why Sibyl just don't switch off the dominators :
Sybil just works as a one-mind, it doesn't look like they're actually thinking, the brains just work as computing power biased by their criminal asymptotic aspect. Yet, a computer can't lie to itself, if it computes something that it thinks is right (here the authentification of Shisui), its output will be made in consequence.
A computer can't auto-regulate itself, when it works poorly, all you can do is turn it off or fix it from the outside, but no one has the authority to do that in Psycho-Pass universe, remember that Chief Kasei is just here to represent power, she is just a vessel existing for the sole purpose of voicing Sybil's thoughts.
tldr; Sybil is just a computer with its own sense of justice that it can't betray by any means.


The problem is the writer don't know anything about coding or design, which makes huge holes in the show and decisions that don't make any sense at all.

Why would the drones use a system that block fire when close to other drones, instead of block fire when targeting another drone to prevent friendly fire. That makes zero sense, if you know how easy the latter option would be to implement and how much better it is for the actual goal and just overall function of the drones.

It make no sense the system can handle two duplicate identity, unless the system was actually coded for it. It is also extra poor writing that only Akene is the one asking the chief why they didn't remove the "false" inspector from the database.

(biggest issue) The BS with how they solved the drone problem is so retarded, that I don't think the writers even know the slightest thing about coding. Why would they go with turning on the view from the actual camera (and then it even have it be replayed :-/), instead of just a. disable input from devices b. if there are some BS so they can't do that, then give them a black screen view instead. Both these option would be faster and solve the issue without affecting the peoples hue, and then there is also the option to interrupt the connection, heck they could just turn their internet off, since Kamui were using their server.

A lot of the stuff in season 2 simply haven't made any sense, even thought we always give a lot of lease when reading a Sci-fi, because they can't predict the future.
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:05 PM

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I guess this was a tad better than previous episodes however this Tougane/Kougami shit doesn't sit right with me.

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HOLY SHIT, it's Komugi. Oh wait, it's just a vision of him.

I am so disappoint.
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:05 PM
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Meh episode up until the grand reveal at the end.
iknow and that isn't urobutcher style,this will get compare to his old work for sure. i know the jun guy direct this qnd i don't like this as much , we will see the saleon BD
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:22 PM

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Yus, getting revelations, good good. Tougane is the one behind everything? or top contributor

Kamui still meh
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:40 PM

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This is episode was explosive!! Many pieces of the puzzle came together and things are related to the plane accident happened fifteen years ago! And Kamui the only survivor!

I liked to see Kogami again (even though it was just Akane's imagination while she was talking with Togane).

Togane is really smart (found out about Mika in few minutes ahah) and I'm wondering what he's going to do to Mika...

The discussion between Akane and the chief was great (Akane is so smart!!)

Hinakawa surprised me! He's a great guy, being able to create those holos all by himself XD

The scene where all the holos made by Hinakawa showed up on the monitor was EXCELLENT!!

In the end someone was giving to Kamui a kind of bracelet and, if i'm not wrong, it seemed the same as the one Kamui was wearing on his right arm when he took the Dominator from Shisui in the previous episode, maybe it's this thing that allows unauthorized people to use Dominators?

The best has yet to come!! Another long week of waiting has started T_T
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:48 PM

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Damn. That yuri bait.
A good episode overall - finally some structured development. Though it's still not perfect.
 
Nov 20, 2014 3:52 PM

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Kirito Kamui. In front of you, behind you, beside you. Beware, he's everywhere.

Also that holo-specialist enforcer, for a moment there I thought he was dead when he just stay silent with his head at the keyboard.
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Nov 20, 2014 4:02 PM

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Reminded me of the Everywhere Man. Great stuff.
"Let Justice Be Done!"

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I conclude that this theme is in fact good!
 
Nov 20, 2014 4:21 PM

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best part about this anime EGOIST
feels like it's getting better? maybe ?
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Nov 20, 2014 4:25 PM

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Anyone else getting the feeling this is all a set up by Sybil to mess with Tsunemori? She gets an enforcer who has made people around him latent criminals and gets put on the case where the only solution so far is to kill the target without a dominator which would likely cloud anyone's psycho pass. Sybil seems to know full well whats going on and even suggested how to handle the situation but hasnt personally taken action like in the first season.

I dont think its been made clear so far if Tsunemori is an irregularity or she just always does the right thing so her psycho pass is never clouded.
 
Nov 20, 2014 5:01 PM
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EVERY.FUCKIN'.TIME



I love this.
 
Nov 20, 2014 5:08 PM

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Wow...still can't beat my Makishima though

And yeah, they threw a lot at us this episode
 
Nov 20, 2014 5:10 PM

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The airplane accident with all 185 holos being needed to be created.

Kamui having always been around!

Tougane finding out what Shimotsuki did xD

Kamui being the only survivor and the doctor willing to say everything!
 
Nov 20, 2014 5:39 PM

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That Kirito is up to no good as always I see.

And Mika is like one useless parasite. Unlike Migi, who's actually a useful one.


I find it hard to take anyone serious who thinks that the person figuring out the connection between Togane and Kamui, as well as figuring out that Togane pretty much caused the massacre of his old team, is useless. Seriously Mika has pretty much discovered the biggest pieces of the puzzle this season.
At this point its pretty much just blind hate.
 
Nov 20, 2014 5:41 PM

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HandsomeMan said:
That Kirito is up to no good as always I see.

And Mika is like one useless parasite. Unlike Migi, who's actually a useful one.


I find it hard to take anyone serious who thinks that the person figuring out the connection between Togane and Kamui, as well as figuring out that Togane pretty much caused the massacre of his old team, is useless. Seriously Mika has pretty much discovered the biggest pieces of the puzzle this season.
At this point its pretty much just blind hate.


Don't really care if you take me serious. I'm free to express my opinion.
 
Nov 20, 2014 5:42 PM

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kingcity20 said:


I find it hard to take anyone serious who thinks that the person figuring out the connection between Togane and Kamui, as well as figuring out that Togane pretty much caused the massacre of his old team, is useless. Seriously Mika has pretty much discovered the biggest pieces of the puzzle this season.
At this point its pretty much just blind hate.


Don't really care if you take me serious. I'm free to express my opinion.


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Nov 20, 2014 5:47 PM

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Kamuis! Kamuis are everywhere! Beware, even your psychologist can be one!

And I thought that they will address the obvious issue – someone using their server for crime.

Well, this episode had some nice moments, though most of them were visual. The “smoking under the rain” scene was nice, I’d say that the rain was a good noire touch in general. They got fanservice right too – we saw a lot of shots of Gino and Tougane together. Caring handsome enforcer guys are the best. And they indeed look their best when put side to side: Gino is hot without his glasses, but his character is somewhat bland at the moment, Tougane’s design goes overboard with lady-killer vibe, in my opinion.

It was nice to see Yayoi and Shion being still together. Sho being a drug addict was a nice detail, but damn, they really can’t into subtlety. Why did they make after sex lesbians say things about Sho, why not leave it a mystery? Well, it’ not that they’re subtle about Mika. I start to like her simply to spite their effort to make watchers hate her 100% of time. She is also unhappy in love, so go, Mika! I am not sure that not reporting her discoveries from Tougane’s room is consistent with her character, but if she was suspicious of the chief, it would be sensible.

And dat dialogues… Better plot material shows the misgivings of writing even more. Like in that scene, where they discover the origin of Kamui.

We learn, that two holos are connected through the plane crash. Akane tells to investigate the plane crash – cause she is a genius and nobody else can think of it. The screen shows that the sole survivor was Kamui. Everyone says “That name”. Yeah, guys. Everyone says: “Kirito Kamui”. Gee, I’ve just read it, guys. Akane: “He was the only survivor!” : Yeah, ok.

Needless to say, that everybody except sometimes Akane being an idiot doesn’t allow for interesting investigation. They even made Kougane look stupid with the “you’re going mad part”. They have an interesting approach. “We haven’t seen the perpetrator, so he doesn’t exist”. Ok, but then any criminal, who has not yet been found, is a ghost. Insanity shouldn’t be used so often as a convenient explanation.

They acknowledged some of the plotholes, but didn’t really answer any questions.

I call bullshit on Sybil blindly following her own rules. She didn’t mind any, when she wanted Makishima (remember that forced Dominator transformation?), and Kamui did harm her city. Also – why can’t they ever use their authority? They’re the the KGB.

Tougane’s situation is strange too. Apparently enforcers now can do whatever they please. Why does he have spying tech in MWPSP’s building? And why does he have his personal profile on his terminal? His age doesn’t add up in my version on translation, but it could be mistake.

I am not sure how surgery affects psycho-pass. Well, I can see how it can be somewhat connected with nervous system, but still doesn’t it depend mainly on brain state?

And btw, I may be mistaken, but isn’t the holo reconstruction performed by program? So if the program works, what difference does the amount of people to process make to Sho? Just upload the data and have nice drug-addled dreams.

And Gino is right. Akane is stable, but she was not recognized as asymptomatic. It’s strange that she doesn’t care about her hue at all. It’s crazy, that she treats her room as a crime scene. Basically, she does what Gino did in his last free days, only with some miracle stopping her from becoming dark.
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Nov 20, 2014 5:52 PM
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Well, I'm still not very fond of the story and I still think Kamui is a boring antagonist, but I learned today that Tougane is very damn hot. Hopefully he doesn't end up dead P:
 
Nov 20, 2014 6:12 PM
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The constant hints of Kougami makes me think he will be back either the last episode of the series, or second to last.
 
Nov 20, 2014 6:25 PM

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Nov 20, 2014 6:31 PM

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Anyone else getting the feeling this is all a set up by Sybil to mess with Tsunemori? She gets an enforcer who has made people around him latent criminals and gets put on the case where the only solution so far is to kill the target without a dominator which would likely cloud anyone's psycho pass. Sybil seems to know full well whats going on and even suggested how to handle the situation but hasnt personally taken action like in the first season.

I dont think its been made clear so far if Tsunemori is an irregularity or she just always does the right thing so her psycho pass is never clouded.

Truuuu that would explain how the hell Togane ended up as a Enforcer again, esp considering he's Crime Coefficient World Champion and all.
I guess my (2nd) biggest question at this point is how Togane Company and Sybil are connected

also i still don't get the grandma thing like why was that scene included
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There are so many great ideas the show is trying to explore and execute, but it just can't. The writing knows its flaws and tries to address them but there's just no time with 11 episodes.

Because of that we have the plot being as messy as it is, and that's with this one being the best by far. We also are missing out on any underlying themes like the first season had, though with the aspect of drugs being used to characterize Kamui and Shou(very effectively I might add, I mean I definitely feel for the guy) I think we'll have something very simple and quite somber to think about at the end, a little like Makishima's feelings of loneliness.

Okay, I can understand why Mika would be refrain from talking about Togane to the Chief(surely she's not that stupid she didn't recognize her in the picture) and the other Enforcers, but jesus christ how do you not say anything to Akane when her life is arguably in danger. I can see the thought in quietly observing if she was confident she wasn't in over her head, but she shouldn't be because she did a shit job trying to cover her tracks. Togane is going to eat her alive. And yelling at Shou when she doesn't even check her work mail, my god. She knows the guy is shy and scared of her because she's a bitch to him, but because of her horrid mindset on Enforcers that aren't Yayoi she is unable to work with him as an understanding and relatable person.

Togane's dark aura intensifies. Don't know what to think about the whole age thing, I mean I guess it could be explained with transplanting and/or age decelerated holo. I don't like that for some reason, but it would add more fuel to the thought that he is doing everything possible to emulate Kougami to get at Akane. And now it's confirmed that the drug company he's connected to is involved. Just makes it harder to guess whether he's on Sybil's side, Kamui's or somehow both. I dunno but I fully expect the remaining four episodes to peel my head like an orange, it's going to come together and throw everything at us relentlessly.
 
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Interesting build up episode to say at least, as for Tougane some info has been told about him and I can't help but to think he's gonna do something crazy and turn his back at some point.
    
   
 
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I'm still enjoying this season quite a bit. I'm hoping Kamui does turn out to be multiple people since I do think the super kirto villain is a bit of an issue but otherwise considering how short the season is I think it's enjoyable and some of the relatively better written anime on offer these days.
 
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IT'S KOGAMI!

Nah, just an illusion! (Stop smoking Tsunemori >w<) Anyways, nice build up episode since they pretty much revealed most of the things here :D Hope the next one will be able to show everything and be amazing action!
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Nov 20, 2014 7:33 PM

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Kamui is everywhere, nice to see Kougami again even if is a short while.

Cannot wait to see how they are going to deal with Kamui hologram which has infiltrated everywhere.
 
Nov 20, 2014 8:18 PM

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Nice to see Kougami again, even though it was just Akane's imagination. He better return by last episode.
 
Nov 20, 2014 8:35 PM

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chakracat said:
EVERY.FUCKIN'.TIME

lol

OT: This season is turning out to be pretty good actually, that twist at the end was amazing, but with only 11 episodes, there's no time to develop the Enforcers...

Damn, every single time that ending song starts playing...HYPE! 5/5
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Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain.

We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us
 
Nov 20, 2014 8:41 PM

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i can kinda relate to akane, i think I'm getting a little coo-coo, as well. I seriously thought akane's grandmother was going to take off her mask, reveling that she is kougami, then say "hey gurl, want some fuk?"
nah, i kid. But when it showed akane talking to kougami (togane), i was literally flailing my body up and down in excitement. This series keeps getting better and better
 
Nov 20, 2014 8:49 PM

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Mind = blown

What's up with the Holo enforcer guy? Did he kill himself?

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Nov 20, 2014 9:08 PM
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So Kamui was always in the show but in an holo disguise. Maybe he's met Makishima... or not. I think that someone will try to kill me because of what I'll say but I'll say it anyway: Kamui reminds me of Tyler Durden of Fight Club, I think it's only because of their followers, I don't know. Maybe I'm losing my mind, maybe I can explain it better later... or not. Despite the flaws (that aren't so many), I'm liking Season 2.
 
Nov 20, 2014 9:11 PM
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Wow, a lot happened this episode. Kamui is actually pretty smart, and is practically with MWPSB 24/7. Was also pretty shocked how he's using all of the dead children from the plane crash as Holos, isn't that super time consuming? Im not sure if that doctor will really tell everything. Something is definitely going to happen next epiosode.

Anyone else get super excited when Kougami showed up when Akane was daydreaming? Too bad it wasn't real :/

Solid epiosde.
 
Nov 20, 2014 9:20 PM
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deadoptimist said:
I call bullshit on Sybil blindly following her own rules. She didn’t mind any, when she wanted Makishima (remember that forced Dominator transformation?), and Kamui did harm her city. Also – why can’t they ever use their authority? They’re the the KGB.
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And Gino is right. Akane is stable, but she was not recognized as asymptomatic. It’s strange that she doesn’t care about her hue at all. It’s crazy, that she treats her room as a crime scene. Basically, she does what Gino did in his last free days, only with some miracle stopping her from becoming dark.

No, Sybil doesn't blindly follow its own rules. Sibyl follows whatever benefits it (and maybe the city), as
stated/implied by Akane in S1 when she made the demands regarding Makeshima (risk/reward).

If so, then Sybil probably sees a benefit in having Kamui do whatever he wants to..but it doesn't
consider it a loss if he suddely turned up dead. I assume the benefit might be related to Akane in
some way, as it said it would monitor her and whatnot.

No, not really. Being worried about the PP, or being at odds with what you or others have to do
might be two reasons the PP increases. Gino (or his father) stated in S1 that she seems to accept
anything and everything, and that might be the reason she does't get cloudy.

Btw, after the big reveal in S1 I don't think she's referred to it by (chief's) name, nor as a single
person..unless there was someone else in the room when she was talking with it.
Modified by konatachan80, Nov 20, 2014 9:28 PM
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