| I think Oda didn't know what to do with the character so he jus off'd him. Think about it, the "war" was hardly a war. Main players conveniently disappearing during certain moments, and everyone just spectating as random people individually show off their powers. There was hardly enough written for anyone, not just WB. |
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| You seem to forget that Whitebeard took down Aokiji right from the start after forming a tsunami, performed the widest ranged attack, Beat Akainu and also kept Kizaru occupied while Luffy was going for the scaffold. He also took the brunt of all the marines' attacks to make way for Luffy and the others to go for the scaffold. He's the only one that did any sort of lasting damage against an admiral, and that by itself is impressive enough. Don't forget that his crew is an essential part of the hype behind his title. Remember, One Piece isn't the kind of story where 1 person can just go around stomping everyone else. The balance of power is always stressed, and in that case it would be wrong to expect any one person to dominate a field where all the best players are present. If you were expecting Whitebeard to just take on all of the marines' best single-handedly, I'd say the problem was with your expectation. Also, there were lots of people who died on screen before Ace. |
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| ^^This^^ Whitebeard was a boss, and he wasn't even in his prime. |
Ok, so Whitebeard gets backstabbed, beaten up and teamed up on, smack a few navy admirals, and then dies still standing. I thought Akainu would one-shot Whitebeard and then Ace and almost get Luffy, so I was close but not perfect. I think the execution was good enough, because Whitebeard just wasn't the main character and he was old. (REALLY OLD) |
| A great protagonist once said, "It's only overpowered if you can't return the favor!" |
| But he wasn't just old, he was also very sick. The guy had to live on oxygen tubes. |
| lulz. wut? |
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Isterio said: Ok. Thank you for that. That just revealed to me exactly what type of 'fan' you are. I won't waste my time any further. |
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| Nope, I don't think so. While it's true that he could have shown more of his great powers, we should also consider his own words. Edward said, no one can be the strongest everytime. Even he had to suffer from an illness and old age. Nevertheless, he did a great job. His resistance was amazing and powers of the Gura Gura no Mi too. I think, even at Marineford Edward lived up to the legend called Whitebeard. |
Isterio said: Bullshit quote if you look at my profile you can see that I rate both series on a 9 because there is no perfect series and people claiming their series to be a 10/10 are retarded imo, there simple is no perfect series. Yet, if I like Zorro or Luffy and think they are awesome characters it doesnt mean I have to like whitebeard. And I mean it whitebeard is one of the most promising yet most underdeveloped characters Oda ever offered to us. Whitebeard as a "father" was believeable and that sequence where he sees his son die and let´s out a tear was really awesome. But he ddin´t live up to his hype that´s my bone with him. Ok. Sorry he didn't destroy the planet and kill admirals with a single punch. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| Rayleigh is Roger Vice Captain and holding Kizaru alone is his limit. Whitebeard is holding all the Navy and 3 Admiral and you ask for more? he split Marineford in 2 and you said his title is bullshit? He died standing and you said he is a letdown? Did you expect him to blow Marineford to smithereens and make everyone on that island lost they're footing including his men just to convince you he's the strongest? Well he did planned to do it after Ace is freed but things don't go smoothly as he think. |
tr1ckst3rNov 21, 2014 5:29 AM
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tr1ckst3r said: Rayleigh is Roger Vice Captain and holding Kizaru alone is his limit. Whitebeard is holding all the Navy and 3 Admiral and you ask for more? he split Marineford in 2 and you said his title is bullshit? He died standing and you said he is a letdown? Did you expect him to blow Marineford to smithereens and make everyone on that island lost they're footing including his men just to convince you he's the strongest? Well he did planned to do it after Ace is freed but things don't go smoothly as he think. We've already covered that and apologized that Whitebeard didn't destroy the planet or explode people's hearts Kill Bill style. |
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| he didn't do much but One piece characters aren't allowed to impact the plot for the sake of its longevity i did like the fact that he didn't have to do anything because of the bonds that he had made protected him that was pretty badass |
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| His purpose was to die so the world could start to change. As he himself said, he is just a remnant of the past with no ship to carry him on into the new age. His days were over even before war saga, there was no place for him in the story. It's the same as with most of the shonen powerful grandpas. - all of them were just hanging around, then got into a fight, showed their amazing power, and died. |
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Isterio said: tr1ckst3r said: Rayleigh is Roger Vice Captain and holding Kizaru alone is his limit. Whitebeard is holding all the Navy and 3 Admiral and you ask for more? he split Marineford in 2 and you said his title is bullshit? He died standing and you said he is a letdown? Did you expect him to blow Marineford to smithereens and make everyone on that island lost they're footing including his men just to convince you he's the strongest? Well he did planned to do it after Ace is freed but things don't go smoothly as he think. You fucking serious? Here rewatch it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxynVbl50A Rayleigh didn´t give two shits about Kizaru, he blocks him and doesn´t even sweat. That´s where we´re shown the gap between the boys and the "real monsters". He´s considered to be "on par" with whitebeard and it was mentioned that him or Dragon appearing on the battlefied could change the flow of the battle by themselves. And Yes if Whitebeard was weaker than Roger, yet both seemed to be on good terms with each other since they had different goals, Rayleigh is probably as strong as the "second" strongest Captain from that era. However you put it Zorro was never mentioned to be considerably weaker than Luffy, Oda constant reminds us of this. They probably are equals just Luffys right as a captain makes him fight enemie leaders. Since Odas loves to recycle that concept it´s highly likeable that the same goes for Rogers crew. When One piece will reach it´s conclusion Luffy will be the one facing Akainu. Who will Zorro face? The second strongest guy. Fujitora according tot he Anime spoilers. So no, watch it again Rayleigh wasn´t impressed, that´s how badass that guy is. But whitebeard fucking sucks. By the end of that encounter, Rayleigh is sweating bullets, and Kizaru is speaking nonchalantly. It is obvious that Rayleigh would have been subdued if the fight was prolonged. Kizaru has too many advantages. |
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| hm, reading the beginning of the thread it kind'of makes sense, that luffy had more spotlights that whitebeard etc. Still he had some of the badasses moments of the show in general. In the end who cares. It was just a warm-up for the next things to come - Dragon, Shanks, Big Mum, Kaidou, BlackBeard etc. :) |
| There's different kind of general, Whitebeard is one of those who stay at the HQ and give command. |
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Isterio said: smokes said: hm, reading the beginning of the thread it kind'of makes sense, that luffy had more spotlights that whitebeard etc. Still he had some of the badasses moments of the show in general. In the end who cares. It was just a warm-up for the next things to come - Dragon, Shanks, Big Mum, Kaidou, BlackBeard etc. :) My main beef here is basicly, we all know Oda can do better than this. but in this certain situation he pulled a Hiro on us. He overhyped a character telling us how badass he is just in order to finish him off in a really pathetic way. Yes he died standing but it doesn´t change the fact that the damage he got inflicted was inflicted in a retarded preventable way. It´s like you´re being told that you´ll go to some really awesome restaurant, you got invited in by sheer luck., they will serve some luxurious shit that according to "gourmets" tastes awesome Just to find out the food wasn´t even good, it was ok at best. And because everyone else spouts about how great it is you must say y it´s awesome. 10/10. There is an example from my own life. I went for the first time in my life to KFC, at the time I knew only Mcdonalds and Burger king big fast food franchises. KFC was my first encounter with Chilli "Cheese Fries". It was an awesome experience trying something so good. I wasn´t told it was tasting good I tasted it and that´s how I perceived it. That´s how whitebeard could have been but instead he was that rubiish 2k dollar meal that tastes like rotten fish. I thought we already apologized that Whitebeard didn't blow up the planet or swat admirals like flies. Oda should have had the good sense to make him kill people with just a stare. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
RedRoseFring said: Isterio said: My main beef here is basicly, we all know Oda can do better than this. but in this certain situation he pulled a Hiro on us. He overhyped a character telling us how badass he is just in order to finish him off in a really pathetic way. Yes he died standing but it doesn´t change the fact that the damage he got inflicted was inflicted in a retarded preventable way. It´s like you´re being told that you´ll go to some really awesome restaurant, you got invited in by sheer luck., they will serve some luxurious shit that according to "gourmets" tastes awesome Just to find out the food wasn´t even good, it was ok at best. And because everyone else spouts about how great it is you must say y it´s awesome. 10/10. There is an example from my own life. I went for the first time in my life to KFC, at the time I knew only Mcdonalds and Burger king big fast food franchises. KFC was my first encounter with Chilli "Cheese Fries". It was an awesome experience trying something so good. I wasn´t told it was tasting good I tasted it and that´s how I perceived it. That´s how whitebeard could have been but instead he was that rubiish 2k dollar meal that tastes like rotten fish. I thought we already apologized that Whitebeard didn't blow up the planet or swat admirals like flies. Oda should have had the good sense to make him kill people with just a stare. Maybe he should learn not to watch One Piece from Youtube. |
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Isterio said: That´s my point, but we can´t really expect to give all those fodder bigshots a storyline, they are his underlings that´s it, it was even more annoying with the Dressrosa arc where we got all that fodder introduced and what their individual abilitys are because they got oneshottted one after another. Well anyway the only big thing Aces death, Odas first time showing people actually die on screen. As for whitebeard, he din´t impress me I mean if I get told that he´s a big deal well I guess he is but we got that not shown. It´s the same with destiny, game got hyped now it´s considered garbage because it could not live up to expectations still people out there call it the best game ever because they were told so. And that speech was kinda touching for many people yet it´s a ripoff of Gol. D Rogers speech. Well whitebeard Sengoku was right no2 for live. Nobody got focus, bigshot or no. There was no story, that's the thing. It was a big show od fighting, which makes it disappointing. It had one job and did not excel at it. Whitebeard was a token old guy saying and soing generic stuff, dying in such a cliché manner to make it memorable and all. I really thought it was a petty attempt. Ace's death was so predictable it's not funny. And for a show that never killed before, that's a big thing. |
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Isterio said: Hakumadro said: Wow, your immature temper tantrum is the only impressive thing among your posts. It´s not immature to use sarcasm on arguments which are this: I thought we already apologized that Whitebeard didn't blow up the planet or swat admirals like flies. Oda should have had the good sense to make him kill people with just a stare. Combine that with a guy who has a Kizaru signature and you can be sure you´ve found yourself a nice person who enjoys One piece for it´s hillarious situations, interesting plot, exciting surprises, innovative abilitys, evolving characters, mature theme,perfect storytelling, awesome pacing and completely lack of any plotholes or asspulls. Cause Pell, Bon Clay, Viper and Ussop have obtained bodies of steel through sheer training which is why we all can excuse them surviving the bullshit Oda has put them through. And the Marineford arc is the pinnacle of writting Alan Moore and George R.R Martin should ask Oda how to write a proper story. Fuck the twisted ending in Watchmen that was bullshit, every citizen in New york should have survived that attack. Hey Eddard Stark you noob why did you die to a freaking sword? Whatever you gonna be resurrected by Edo Tensei anyway in the 6th book. It´s the same as being alive that´s why it´s awesome. Indeed. Damn it Oda! Why aren't you killing people left and right? Usopp should have been killed by his "I - can't -get -on-that -island -disease"! Frickin' bullshit! Everyone knows that Alan Moore and Martin are only regarded as good writers because they slaughter their characters every second page! |
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| Maybe what strong mean here is that he has a major impact to the world, he has many of the island under his control, remember that after his death many places on the world started to riot, even sengoku or someone (I forgot it :p) mentioned that the world will lost it's stability cause shirohige is dead |
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Hakumadro said: Isterio said: Let me guess you are a member of the crew? I wonder wonder why you didn´t threaten to attack my house yet, together with Luffy and Zorro Senpai for daring to critisize god Oda for being flawed like every human. Why haven´t you called your Nakama fairy buddy from the guild to beat me up for insulting your precious ship? Wow, your immature temper tantrum is the only impressive thing among your posts. Ironic that you'd call someone out for being immature, considering your post history. |
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Isterio said: Punk Hazard being the best example where even the fodder Marines survived all the ongoing shit. [spoiler] Monet and Vergo [/b] |
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Isterio said: [/quote]Phoenix_Wright said: [spoiler] Monet and Vergo [/b] You think they dead? MR 5 survived a mad burning Zorro, charging at him cutting him in pieces and than setting him on fire. Even if, it would be the second on screen death where someone doesn´t die within a flashback, since Ace. I personally don't think that they are dead. But it isn't stated that they survived in manga either. It actually can go either way. But I guess they are dead, until confirmed otherwise? Well, he wasn't the only one who died in this arc, and wasn't the first. The first was Whitebeard himself. |
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Isterio said: Of course I know who Alan Moore is. Anime isn't the only way I entertain myself. I was (and still do) reading comics before you came out of the crib And surprise, surprise. Another person who thinks killing people is the only way to create tension. We had that discussion months ago. You are yet to give any clear indication of what those "expectations" for Whitebeard were except for destroying the world and killing admirals with single blows. Maybe...you are the one who had faulty expectations? (Inconceivable, I know!) That always seems to be the last thought to cross people's minds, eh? "You´ve shown in your post that for you One piece is the greatest thing ever and you don´t see any flaws within it." Lol. Now you are making up stuff about me reading my mind. Yes, I think One Piece is the best thing EVAR!!! I pray to Goda everyday and sleep with at least 10 manga volumes everynight. I also "Nina table action" to a picture of Luffy as "Luffy is love, Luffy is life" plays on a freakin' vintage record player. |
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Isterio said: Mikasa said: Nobody got focus, bigshot or no. There was no story, that's the thing. It was a big show od fighting, which makes it disappointing. It had one job and did not excel at it. Whitebeard was a token old guy saying and soing generic stuff, dying in such a cliché manner to make it memorable and all. I really thought it was a petty attempt. Ace's death was so predictable it's not funny. And for a show that never killed before, that's a big thing. Just one point how was Ace´s death predictable? Judging from the fact that no one in the series had died yet on screen it seemed pretty uncalled to me. I was expecting whitebeard to die but Ace was kinda surprising. Just the assumption of his death can only be predicted by the fact of the shared dream with Luffy. Oda basicly removing that obstacle by killing him off. How was that unpredictable? It was from the place in the story the part where they lose, this was the equivalent of Sasuke vs Naruto or Aizen betraying everyone, and you could see him dying from a mile away because of the build up, and because Luffy did once save him "too early" |
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Isterio said: Phoenix_Wright said: I personally don't think that they are dead. But it isn't stated that they survived in manga either. It actually can go either way. But I guess they are dead, until confirmed otherwise? Well, he wasn't the only one who died in this arc, and wasn't the first. The first was Whitebeard himself. Ok first did you read that arc? Cause your post is kinda confusing As I get it, you don´t wanna believe Vergo and Monet are dead but you assume they are since they haven´t shown back up again yet. And you say hat Whitebeard died first in the Marineford arc? Besides the random guys and the Marine soldier that was melted by Akainu Ace was the first mayor casuality whitebeard died "after "going on a rampage trying to kill Akainu when he saw his son dying in Luffys arms and the vivre card being disintigrated to assure us, yes he really he died I don´t pull a pell on you guys here.[/quote] Damn, I originally meant that he died in the same arc as Ace as well =D Sorry, a typo. Yeah, I meant, that I don't want for two of them to die, but all evidence points to them being dead. That's all what I meant. |
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Mikasa said: How was that unpredictable? It was from the place in the story the part where they lose, this was the equivalent of Sasuke vs Naruto or Aizen betraying everyone, and you could see him dying from a mile away because of the build up, and because Luffy did once save him "too early" I'm surpised you actually found that predictable. That was the first important death in the series that didn't occur in a flashback. Knowing One Piece, I was so sure that he would be saved somehow so for him to be actually killed was quite shocking to me and had a far greater impact than it would've had if it was from a series like say AKG. OT: WB lived up to his hype for me. I don't care about powerlevels in One Piece since I find them to be inconsistent here so what I was expecting of him didn't dissapoint. |
AgafinNov 27, 2014 12:49 AM
RedRoseFring said: You seem to forget that Whitebeard took down Aokiji right from the start after forming a tsunami, performed the widest ranged attack, Beat Akainu and also kept Kizaru occupied while Luffy was going for the scaffold. He also took the brunt of all the marines' attacks to make way for Luffy and the others to go for the scaffold. He's the only one that did any sort of lasting damage against an admiral, and that by itself is impressive enough. Don't forget that his crew is an essential part of the hype behind his title. Remember, One Piece isn't the kind of story where 1 person can just go around stomping everyone else. The balance of power is always stressed, and in that case it would be wrong to expect any one person to dominate a field where all the best players are present. If you were expecting Whitebeard to just take on all of the marines' best single-handedly, I'd say the problem was with your expectation. Also, there were lots of people who died on screen before Ace. My main issue with the war ark was that it made whitebeard's crew look really weak towards the end. It was just akainu vs all the division commanders and akainu was winning against all of them. It would have made more sense if it was 13 division commanders vs 3 admirals. After showing marco's awesomeness, jozu's strength and vista's sword skills they gave me the impression that they were all very powerful but akainu was treating them like fodder this power inconsistency is my main gripe with the ark. Also i would like to add that it seemed kind of lame that luffy was able to free ace with sengoku right there. I can understand how he was able to get past garp being his grandson and all but sengoku? |
omeg4Nov 27, 2014 1:04 AM
omeg4 said: RedRoseFring said: You seem to forget that Whitebeard took down Aokiji right from the start after forming a tsunami, performed the widest ranged attack, Beat Akainu and also kept Kizaru occupied while Luffy was going for the scaffold. He also took the brunt of all the marines' attacks to make way for Luffy and the others to go for the scaffold. He's the only one that did any sort of lasting damage against an admiral, and that by itself is impressive enough. Don't forget that his crew is an essential part of the hype behind his title. Remember, One Piece isn't the kind of story where 1 person can just go around stomping everyone else. The balance of power is always stressed, and in that case it would be wrong to expect any one person to dominate a field where all the best players are present. If you were expecting Whitebeard to just take on all of the marines' best single-handedly, I'd say the problem was with your expectation. Also, there were lots of people who died on screen before Ace. My main issue with the war ark was that it made whitebeard's crew look really weak towards the end. It was just akainu vs all the division commanders and akainu was winning against all of them. It would have made more sense if it was 13 division commanders vs 3 admirals. After showing marco's awesomeness, jozu's strength and vista's sword skills they gave me the impression that they were all very powerful but akainu was treating them like fodder this power inconsistency is my main gripe with the ark. Also i would like to add that it seemed kind of lame that luffy was able to free ace with sengoku right there. I can understand how he was able to get past garp being his grandson and all but sengoku? Because Akainu is not the simple Admiral, he is the top Admiral, who was able to hold himself against Whitebeard. Hence why he is a Fleet Admiral now. It is not that all Admirals are equal, some are stronger, some are weaker, and of course they become stronger as time goes. Isterio said: And I only was sure that he was dead when I saw the grave, there I was sure ok they buried him he´s actually dead. The vivre card was no indication of death to me knowing Oda. I was sure that he was dead, only when I saw his devil fruit reappearing =D We saw Pell's grave once, so for me graves are not the indication of death. And I dunno if Sabo has a grave or not... But you get what I am talking about. |
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Isterio said: There is a huge difference between Aces grave and Pells. Pell wasn´t buried since supposedly the corpse was disintigrated. As for Ace the Grave was a clear indicator of death since I could not imagine them pulling a CIA witness protection program on us. Oda could make insane thing, such as Shanks stealing his body and delivering it to Vegapunk, who could use his insane knowledge and somehow ressurect or modify Ace if he was still alive. I am glad that Oda didn't do it though, because it sounds crazy, but with One Piece you are never sure. People claimed for years that Sabo was dead, heck with him being a little kid without any haki and devil fruit power, and being shot, caught into the explosion ,and the very ship he was into, being burned down, yet he somehow survived. We indeed saw Ace's grave, but we never saw him being burried, but now, gladly, with his devil fruit reappearing, we can say for 100% that he isn't alive. Now devil fruits may be some kind of confirmation if character indeed died or not. We all thought that Bellamy died, but he didn't. I dunno, if Oda will use this plot point only once (Mera Mera reappearing) or he will use it later again for indication of devil fruit users dying. I dunno, if Sara Sara no Mi reappears in the plot, or not. |
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