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Nov 15, 2014 2:45 PM

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I'm greatly anticipating the next episode. Hopefully it will be yet another epic fight scene.
 
Nov 15, 2014 2:49 PM

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Hey everyone! It's my first post here, but I've been lurking around these forums for quite some time. I have a question regarding episode 6. Since it was implied that Rider and Shinji were the ones behind Ayako's condition and we know that the field around the school was Shinji's work, are both Rider and Caster draining people's mana to become stronger? In the prologue, when Rin tried to erase the field, Lancer said it would be a waste. Why would he do that if it wasn't his master's?
 
Nov 15, 2014 2:53 PM

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Hey everyone! It's my first post here, but I've been lurking around these forums for quite some time. I have a question regarding episode 6. Since it was implied that Rider and Shinji were the ones behind Ayako's condition and we know that the field around the school was Shinji's work, are both Rider and Caster draining people's mana to become stronger? In the prologue, when Rin tried to erase the field, Lancer said it would be a waste. Why would he do that if it wasn't his master's?


Because its perfectly fine boundary field at strengthening servants via souls of others?

Even if its not his master's its a waste to erase something so complex and something that could be useful.
 
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malfunct10n said:
Hey everyone! It's my first post here, but I've been lurking around these forums for quite some time. I have a question regarding episode 6. Since it was implied that Rider and Shinji were the ones behind Ayako's condition and we know that the field around the school was Shinji's work, are both Rider and Caster draining people's mana to become stronger? In the prologue, when Rin tried to erase the field, Lancer said it would be a waste. Why would he do that if it wasn't his master's?


Because its perfectly fine boundary field at strengthening servants via souls of others?

Even if its not his master's its a waste to erase something so complex and something that could be useful.


And since Shinji is not a proper mage, he can't supply Rider with enough mana, right? I think I get it now.
 
Nov 15, 2014 3:03 PM

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Wait, wait, wait, so Ayako was made a great character only for Shinji to be hated when he destroy her spirit ?
That's all there is to her ?
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Nov 15, 2014 3:05 PM

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Wait, wait, wait, so Ayako was made a great character only for Shinji to be hated when he destroy her spirit ?
That's all there is to her ?


 
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Wait, wait, wait, so Ayako was made a great character only for Shinji to be hated when he destroy her spirit ?
That's all there is to her ?


And Saber was made strong just so the lead character would have a fighting chance, herp derp 8D

Seriously, bad shit happens to good people all the time. This is not candyland. People get hurt, because this is dangerous and people get hurt in shit like this.
 
Nov 15, 2014 3:08 PM

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CookingPriest said:
Ddashung said:
Wait, wait, wait, so Ayako was made a great character only for Shinji to be hated when he destroy her spirit ?
That's all there is to her ?


And Saber was made strong just so the lead character would have a fighting chance, herp derp 8D

Seriously, bad shit happens to good people all the time. This is not candyland. People get hurt, because this is dangerous and people get hurt in shit like this.

No, what I mean is it seems like a total waste for her to only be in the story for that.
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Nov 15, 2014 3:08 PM

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But Shirou wants to save everybody, so he has a reason to fight. And Saber well... Can't spoiler. But Rin isn't what I would call ''good''.


I would definitely consider Rin "good" as far as to how it pertains to morality in this particular series. Aside from Shirou, she's helped some other people like the men in the building who were infected by Caster's "perfume", she helped save that girl in the previous episode, and was furious when she found out about the barrier around the school in the prologue.

Not that she's a saint, because no person is and she certainly has her "issues" as a result of growing up in a strict mage family like the Tohsaka's, but I don't think any of that is enough to deserve the label "psychopath".
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Nov 15, 2014 3:09 PM

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The beginning was pretty cool. It was interesting to see him make it very clear to Archer that he wasn't pleased with his presence, although the transition to the OP could have been smoother imo. I also liked to see Archer talking about regrets, wishes, and servants' motivations.

It was a bit odd to see Shirou come into the kitchen with his hand wrapped in bandages - as if he'd just stepped into the house - and nobody comment on that. Not a big deal, but again it could have been a tad smoother.

The scene at the library looked great. It was cool to see Rin look confused as Shirou quickly found one of the sources of the bounded field like a boss. Saber at Shirou's "workshop" was pretty funny, that looked just like he felt sometimes in the novel regarding Saber's presence and how she would get too close to him sometimes.

The psychedelic abduction of Shirou looked fantastic. I REALLY approve of Caster's seductiveness and how she got angry when Archer appeared. Last but not least, they really nailed the pacing on this one! Caster's sex appeal/10.
 
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That wouldn't surprise me. Someone actually complained that Archer was kinda sexist two weeks ago, because when he identified the poison Caster used, a witch's poison, he concluded that the Caster they are looking for might be a woman.

Just asking, I'm wondering why the priests do not view Archer's statement as sexist those weeks ago. It seems strange to me that Archer would immediately jump to the assumption that the user was a woman, simply because the incense affects love. From my perspective, it seemed to imply that Archer is under the belief that only women were capable of performing such actions under those flimsy motives. Based on the translation I read, Archer seemed to be fairly certain that the user was a woman based off of this observation. I'm not sure why Archer would have this mindset. If a priest can clear this up, it would be great.
 
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Ddashung said:
CookingPriest said:


And Saber was made strong just so the lead character would have a fighting chance, herp derp 8D

Seriously, bad shit happens to good people all the time. This is not candyland. People get hurt, because this is dangerous and people get hurt in shit like this.

No, what I mean is it seems like a total waste for her to only be in the story for that.

As much as I like Mitsuzuri, you're saying that like she could have contributed to the story in any significant way.

Every series has background / minor characters. Some more memorable than others.
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Ddashung said:
CookingPriest said:


And Saber was made strong just so the lead character would have a fighting chance, herp derp 8D

Seriously, bad shit happens to good people all the time. This is not candyland. People get hurt, because this is dangerous and people get hurt in shit like this.

No, what I mean is it seems like a total waste for her to only be in the story for that.
Watch Kara no Kyoukai then.
 
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@ Flameseek

I think Sakura noticed his hand was bandaged? The way the camera worked made me think it was filmed like she was looking at it.
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CorePriest said:

That wouldn't surprise me. Someone actually complained that Archer was kinda sexist two weeks ago, because when he identified the poison Caster used, a witch's poison, he concluded that the Caster they are looking for might be a woman.

Just asking, I'm wondering why the priests do not view Archer's statement as sexist those weeks ago. It seems strange to me that Archer would immediately jump to the assumption that the user was a woman, simply because the incense affects love. From my perspective, it seemed to imply that Archer is under the belief that only women were capable of performing such actions under those flimsy motives. Based on the translation I read, Archer seemed to be fairly certain that the user was a woman based off of this observation. I'm not sure why Archer would have this mindset. If a priest can clear this up, it would be great.
Because she specifically targeted men; aka she has a grudge against men in general. I think.
 
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I think Sakura noticed his hand was bandaged? The way the camera worked made me think it was filmed like she was looking at it.

Yeah, I just noticed how the camera focused on his injury as he spoke to her. Still, Sakura's head wasn't even tilted or anything, it was just liked he was staring at nothing the whole time when they did show her. Which means they could have done it better, but that's fine anyway.
 
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toyall123 said:

Just asking, I'm wondering why the priests do not view Archer's statement as sexist those weeks ago. It seems strange to me that Archer would immediately jump to the assumption that the user was a woman, simply because the incense affects love. From my perspective, it seemed to imply that Archer is under the belief that only women were capable of performing such actions under those flimsy motives. Based on the translation I read, Archer seemed to be fairly certain that the user was a woman based off of this observation. I'm not sure why Archer would have this mindset. If a priest can clear this up, it would be great.
Because she specifically targeted men; aka she has a grudge against men in general. I think.


Could still be a man tho =3
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Because she specifically targeted men; aka she has a grudge against men in general. I think.

Thanks for responding! But do the VN or anime specifically say that Caster's potion affects men? I haven't read too far in the VN yet, so I may not have seen it. In the anime at least, Archer seems to say that the potion affects love, and then immediately connects it to its creator being a woman. Of course, saying that the potion affects love and men specifically as opposed to just love in general have very different meanings.
 
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But Shirou wants to save everybody, so he has a reason to fight. And Saber well... Can't spoiler. But Rin isn't what I would call ''good''.


but I don't think any of that is enough to deserve the label "psychopath".


It was a compliment though. But depends on how you classify ''good''. She might have done what you said, but I believed it was more because that's her way of fighting a ''clean'' fight, trying to respect the ethics of a mage. Shirou is completely different (at least until now), and he fits in what I could call ''good''.
 
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toyall123 said:
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Because she specifically targeted men; aka she has a grudge against men in general. I think.

Thanks for responding! But do the VN or anime specifically say that Caster's potion affects men? I haven't read too far in the VN yet, so I may not have seen it. In the anime at least, Archer seems to say that the potion affects love, and then immediately connects it to its creator being a woman. Of course, saying that the potion affects love and men specifically as opposed to just love in general have very different meanings.

You're trying to read too much into it imho. But if you want more detail, why don't you just read the novel? You may like it.
 
Nov 15, 2014 3:31 PM

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Another great episode! Next week should be awesome :o

I really liked the moments between Saber and Emiya, hopefully she can teach him some combat.
 
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Because she specifically targeted men; aka she has a grudge against men in general. I think.

Thanks for responding! But do the VN or anime specifically say that Caster's potion affects men? I haven't read too far in the VN yet, so I may not have seen it. In the anime at least, Archer seems to say that the potion affects love, and then immediately connects it to its creator being a woman. Of course, saying that the potion affects love and men specifically as opposed to just love in general have very different meanings.

Love, eh ?
Didn't he said that the plant used is supposed to make men impotent ?

And I still think discarding Ayako this early is a waste.
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toyall123 said:

Thanks for responding! But do the VN or anime specifically say that Caster's potion affects men? I haven't read too far in the VN yet, so I may not have seen it. In the anime at least, Archer seems to say that the potion affects love, and then immediately connects it to its creator being a woman. Of course, saying that the potion affects love and men specifically as opposed to just love in general have very different meanings.

You're trying to read too much into it imho. But if you want more detail, why don't you just read the novel? You may like it.
He's currently reading it.

As for your question toyall123, Archer actually says it's hemlock (at least in the novel). If you know about the European folklore, you'll know hemlock is a typical poison witches used. Doesn't take a genius to count one and one together, when Archer and Rin know they are looking for Caster.
 
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FlameseeK said:

You're trying to read too much into it imho. But if you want more detail, why don't you just read the novel? You may like it.

Yeah, probably. But it's something I wanted to discuss, because it's something that did bother me even if it may not have bothered others. And I'm reading the VN right now actually. I'm really enjoying it! I'm finishing the Fate route before I put the rest of my thoughts on my blog. Can't wait to see how the Fate route ends!

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As for your question toyall123, Archer actually says it's hemlock (at least in the novel). If you know about the European folklore, you'll know hemlock is a typical poison witches used. Doesn't take a genius to count one and one together, when Archer and Rin know they are looking for Caster.

Oh ok. Thanks!
 
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but I don't think any of that is enough to deserve the label "psychopath".


It was a compliment though. But depends on how you classify ''good''. She might have done what you said, but I believed it was more because that's her way of fighting a ''clean'' fight, trying to respect the ethics of a mage. Shirou is completely different (at least until now), and he fits in what I could call ''good''.


I don't think Rin is only acting in accordance to having a clean fight, I think she genuinely has a moral compass that she's following.

She may come off a little cold, but I genuinely think she's good-natured at heart.
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Love, eh ?
Didn't he said that the plant used is supposed to make men impotent ?

And I still think discarding Ayako this early is a waste.

this is the part where the route starts to discard the nice innocent "slice of life" moments, and by extension, anyone who is affiliated with such slice of life moments must be eliminated

well, i think there's like one more in the route left, but still
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Nov 15, 2014 3:44 PM

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Well, ignoring that Shirou
it was a fine episode. Certainly looking forward to all the fighting in the next episode. Really liked the hypnosis in this.
 
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Well, ignoring that Shirou
it was a fine episode. Certainly looking forward to all the fighting in the next episode.


He is allying with Rin now, so he has protection at school.
 
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For what it's worth, I thought Ayako was fairly forgettable in the VN. Ufotable made her a lot more likable to me, probably because they wanted it to "sting" more.
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Great episode. Ufotable continues to remain very faithful, and there should no longer be any doubt that they would be otherwise at this point.

Archer's statements to Shirou are starting to make his ambiguity apparent, continuing to raise the questions of his identity and his objectives, along with adding another dynamic toward how Shirou views Saber (puts the questions of who she is and what she wants to the forefront of his mind).

Shirou was actually aware that he was being compelled to the Ryuudou Temple and that he was in trouble, but he wasn't able to resist it. This episode didn't make it evident, but that's a minor detail. Though, seeing some original additions of what appears to be Caster's memories was interesting.

Shinji is as Shinji does. I didn't hate him too much at this point in the VN, but seeing him act that way in animation makes his douchebaggery much more apparent. Caster and Assassin also reveal themselves and the portrayal of their personalities were spot on. We should be in for a real treat next episode.

This episode ended before the end of Day 6, so looks like we might be starting to break away from the one episode = one day formula.
 
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Well, ignoring that Shirou
it was a fine episode. Certainly looking forward to all the fighting in the next episode.


He is allying with Rin now, so he has protection at school.


... Very true. Brainfart on my part, but I don't think Rin can do much against a servant. xD
 
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TiredAlex said:
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He is allying with Rin now, so he has protection at school.


... Very true. Brainfart on my part, but I don't think Rin can do much against a servant. xD
She should have Archer around usually. She sent him away last episode, but that's because she wanted to deal with Shirou alone.

Edit: Ninja'd three people, mwahaha.
 
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Archer beeing GAR as always
 
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He is allying with Rin now, so he has protection at school.


... Very true. Brainfart on my part, but I don't think Rin can do much against a servant. xD


Archer could be there with them. You just don't see him because he is invisible.
 
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I believe Rin generally tends to have Archer with her at school?

edit: Ninja'd
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He is allying with Rin now, so he has protection at school.


... Very true. Brainfart on my part, but I don't think Rin can do much against a servant. xD


But she has Archer stalking by her most of time.
 
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And I still think discarding Ayako this early is a waste.

this is the part where the route starts to discard the nice innocent "slice of life" moments, and by extension, anyone who is affiliated with such slice of life moments must be eliminated

well, i think there's like one more in the route left, but still

And it's kind of too bad, even in the original VN, because it would have been great to have Shirou being confronted on a personal level to the day to day trampling of the innocent folks all along his quest for heroism.
It would have added a "grinding" pressure in the emotional background, a little like a grindstone that would sharpen a sword, if you get my drift...
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this episode was amazing as always. It felt a lot shorter then the previous episodes, I wonder why?

also archer is such a dream holy shit, my heart wouldn't stop racing everytime he went on this is insane. such a fowl personality i love him to fate extra and back
 
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I wonder what happened.. Emiya isn't a complete idi*t in this version of the series.
I kind of like this series so far, which is nice.

It is quite surprising considering F/SN was ruined for me by the same MC (and I guess, VA).
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Another great episode, for sure is being the best anime of the season, the animation in this anime is awesome

Archer and Shirou finally began to discuss, I like this relationship between them, yet they need to withstand and battle together

I also like the expressions of Rin, his way of talking to each other is hilarious

Premise of great fights next episode, I'm already looking forward ..
 
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I wonder what happened.. Emiya isn't a complete idi*t in this version of the series.
I kind of like this series so far, which is nice.

It is quite surprising considering F/SN was ruined for me by the same MC (and I guess, VA).
The anime staff read the source, consults the author, understands Shirou's character and gives him the characterization and development he needs to make more people like him?
 
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Damn Archer is badass!

So hyped to see the action in the next episode!!!
 
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My body is ready for next week.
 
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This episode ended before the end of Day 6, so looks like we might be starting to break away from the one episode = one day formula.

The prologue and episode 1 covered nearly 3 days. Episodes 2 and 3 basically wrapped up the third day - basically covering a single night. I wouldn't say one day per episode is exactly a formula when that happened in less than half the episodes aired so far. It's just that sometimes it's fitting, while other times it's not.

The slice of life episode --> action episode trend is arguably much more prevalent, although only episode 3 showed actions scenes at full blast throughout its entirety. Even the episodes that do have action scenes also tend to have some sort of development and slice of life.
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This anime had such a good start but has turned aggressively mediocre over the last three episodes. Gorgeous animation not withstanding, the writing is abysmal. Time and time again we have Rin not doing what she's supposed to be doing and they pull the tsundere card to play it off like it's not the dumbest thing in the world.

We're 6 episodes in and the last three have been a mixed bag of slice of life and pointless sidetracking. Very disappointing thus far. 6/10
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I wonder what happened.. Emiya isn't a complete idi*t in this version of the series.
I kind of like this series so far, which is nice.

It is quite surprising considering F/SN was ruined for me by the same MC (and I guess, VA).
The anime staff read the source, consults the author, understands Shirou's character and gives him the characterization and development he needs to make more people like him?


And we haven't got close to the best part yet. :))
 
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It would have added a "grinding" pressure in the emotional background, a little like a grindstone that would sharpen a sword, if you get my drift...



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This anime had such a good start but has turned aggressively mediocre over the last three episodes. Gorgeous animation not withstanding, the writing is abysmal. Time and time again we have Rin not doing what she's supposed to be doing and they pul the tsundere card to play it off like it's not the dumbest thing in the world.

We're 6 episodes in and the last three have been a mixed bag of slice of life and pointless sidetracking. Very disappointing thus far. 6/10
So want to enlighten us on what Rin "should" be doing?

Being a mature adult doing mature adult things, like not being a high school student.
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TheIMF said:
This anime had such a good start but has turned aggressively mediocre over the last three episodes. Gorgeous animation not withstanding, the writing is abysmal. Time and time again we have Rin not doing what she's supposed to be doing and they pul the tsundere card to play it off like it's not the dumbest thing in the world.

We're 6 episodes in and the last three have been a mixed bag of slice of life and pointless sidetracking. Very disappointing thus far. 6/10


 
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