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Nov 11, 2009 11:31 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Koshiro was being a real dick this episode, but I suppose he redeemed himself a little bit towards the end.
 
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Nov 29, 2009 4:11 PM

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I'm betting its gonna get worse before it gets better, the guy doesn't know how to express his real feelings at all, and the girls too young to understand jack.
 
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Jan 9, 2010 12:08 PM

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brinan said:
I'm betting its gonna get worse before it gets better, the guy doesn't know how to express his real feelings at all, and the girls too young to understand jack.


Yeah that pretty much sums up my take on the situation... I also can't help but see his feelings as being driven by nothing more than a strong sexual infatuation rather than true love... Kinda sad. I feel sorry for the guy and feel even more sorry for his sister.
 
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Don't like this brother dude, such a jerk. Meh.


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I also can't help but see his feelings as being driven by nothing more than a strong sexual infatuation rather than true love...


So far, that is how his feelings for his sister have been portrayed. There's very little emotional involvement between them - since most of the time he's pushing her away because of his sexual desire. I feel very sorry for the sister. All she wants is for him to act like a big brother, and most of the time, he responds like a jerk.

Also, his reason for buying the flowers for her birthday was a joke. It wasn't about her, it was about him getting rid of the guilt he feels. I don't think he redeemed himself much at all.
 
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Also, his reason for buying the flowers for her birthday was a joke. It wasn't about her, it was about him getting rid of the guilt he feels. I don't think he redeemed himself much at all.


... I was thinking that the whole time. He's coming off as quite selfish. I totally get that this is an awkward situation for him, but he also needs to think about how his actions affect his sister.
 
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Dec 1, 2010 6:02 AM
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Throughout this episode, I wanted to punch this guy in the face so bad. Such a selfish bastard. Rage.
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Mar 25, 2011 10:38 PM

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Yeah, what a jerk. He needs to truly love his sister, and move past his sexual feelings towards a wholesome incest. How dare he try to deny his real feelings towards her, clearly they're meant to be together! Why on earth would a biological brother and sister hesitate to step into a romantic relationship with each other? I truly don't understand!
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Yeah, what a jerk. He needs to truly love his sister, and move past his sexual feelings towards a wholesome incest. How dare he try to deny his real feelings towards her, clearly they're meant to be together! Why on earth would a biological brother and sister hesitate to step into a romantic relationship with each other? I truly don't understand!


The sarcasm was all to obvious there.
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Jul 4, 2011 10:57 AM

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This guy is a complete jerk.
 
Jan 28, 2012 6:28 PM

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this was a little more tame than the last episode, which im glad in a way.. obv with it being a series revolved around insest gunna have to expect scenes and such which involve that... but yeah he is starting to seem pretty selfish and I imagined him to like really fall in love with her, atm its purely sexual.. the sister seems so confused and worst more thinks its her fault and is genuinly worried about him! :/
 
May 6, 2012 2:16 PM

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The guy seriously needs to smarten up and stop acting like a complete douche bag. I feel sorry for his sister.
 
Nov 7, 2012 1:33 AM
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SO many close calls there. I'm actually scared to continue, but I must! LOL
 
May 5, 2013 9:16 AM
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Except that the guilt made him unable to face her, is it realy so hard to fathom ?
he acts like a jerk because he can't be her brother, given he his sexually and seemingly emotionally attracted to her, he agonizes himself over it and it does lead to some lowly moments on his part but it's realy understandable.
 
May 30, 2013 1:24 AM

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I have to wonder, if he hadn't met her before he knew she was his sister, would he still hold feelings towards her? If he knew she was his sister before he first saw her, would he still have fallen in love with her?

It seems to me like the feelings he had before he knew she was his sister never went away.
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Laraso said:
I have to wonder, if he hadn't met her before he knew she was his sister, would he still hold feelings towards her? If he knew she was his sister before he first saw her, would he still have fallen in love with her?

It seems to me like the feelings he had before he knew she was his sister never went away.


I really feel that's what's going on. He's probably conflicted with the fact that he was able to connect to her so much before he found out she was his sister and now he's acting hostile so he can make a gap between them so he won't try to get closer to her. Although honestly, the way he's going about it is completely uncalled for and makes him look like a douche more so.

Also it feels like he's starting to lust after her rather than having true feelings for her. If this turns into a full out incest I at least hope it's true love and not just some jolly big guy trying to get some action.
 
Sep 11, 2013 12:32 PM

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At least he didnt make a complete ass of himself.
 
Sep 29, 2013 8:22 AM

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Oh my God this guy is an asshole.
The sister is so sweet to never get pissed off at him
 
Oct 20, 2013 12:35 PM
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Laraso said:
I have to wonder, if he hadn't met her before he knew she was his sister, would he still hold feelings towards her? If he knew she was his sister before he first saw her, would he still have fallen in love with her?

It seems to me like the feelings he had before he knew she was his sister never went away.


I really feel that's what's going on. He's probably conflicted with the fact that he was able to connect to her so much before he found out she was his sister and now he's acting hostile so he can make a gap between them so he won't try to get closer to her. Although honestly, the way he's going about it is completely uncalled for and makes him look like a douche more so.

Also it feels like he's starting to lust after her rather than having true feelings for her. If this turns into a full out incest I at least hope it's true love and not just some jolly big guy trying to get some action.
You and Laraso are somewhat right, but also wrong as well. See what Koushiro and Nanoka are going through is a phenomenon called GSA or Genetic Sexual Attraction. Basically, from the very moment Koshiro saw Nanoka, at the train station, it kicked in. It wouldn't have mattered whether he knew she was his sister at first or not. Many people have experienced GSA without knowing they were related, and many have also experienced it knowing full well they were related. The effects of GSA is basically where your body, and heart yearn to make a connection with the family member in any way possible. It's like it knows this person is your family and trying to make and develop a connection and it's trying to make up for lost time. Sometimes this merely exhibits itself in an emotional manner where you want to spend time with said person, other times it becomes sexual. The other thing is that people are generally more attracted to those that look more like them, with family members being most attractive. This is overridden in most cases by the westermark effect.

Whether or not you believe in the westermark effect, most people would agree that it wouldn't be in effect here because Koshiro hadn't seen Nanoka since she was around a year old. So some of you are right in that there is a heavy sexual aspect, but that doesn't make Koushiro a pedophile (technically Nanoka is too old [16 to be exact and in most of japan, 16 is the age of consent] for attraction to her to be pedophilia since pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children and legally it's attraction to a child around 13 or so.), nor does it mean that is all it is.

Koushiro is sexually attracted to Nanoka because his body yearns to become closer with her. He's also fallen in love with her which increases that desire for her. You are correct that because he made the initial connecttion with her heart on that ferris wheel, that he is trying to push her away to stop the development and this makes him much more disagreeable. Here's the thing, this is a very realistic portrayal of somebody going through and resisting GSA. That is, his mind is always wandering to thoughts of her, and he can't get away from her, but he can't have her because society says he can't. Going through some of what he goes through (my half sister is five years younger and 18), I can sympathise with him even though I do think he acts like an ass sometimes. He's very human, and even when he's an ass, he's not a bad guy. It's the sort of thing that if his love wasn't so forbidden, he would be much more agreeable, at least that is what I think.

As I said before, just because there is the sexual attraction, doesn't mean he isn't in love with Nanoka. He's just been rejecting the bond that has been steadily growing between them. His heart and body want to be closer, but his mind is still in rejection and pushing her away because it knows that if he gets closer to her, it won't be in a platonic manner. Maybe with time he could pretend to be a normal brother, but it's far too late in my opinion to reverse it with him. I've heard of some people overcoming GSA by waiting it out, but in the ten years I've had it, it's hasn't gone anywhere, and most people I've heard with it never get over it. It's very difficult when your heart betrays you over even simple memories.

Then there is Nanoka. She has it too, but it kind of gets drowned out by her normal behavior. What I mean is that before she met Koushiro, she couldn't wait to meet him, and she seemed to act like any little sister would, though one a bit younger I would think. When she met Koushiro, her behavor didn't really change despite her reasons for it. I assure you, she is physically attracted to him as well as falling in love with him just as he is in her, it's not one-sided. The story is mostly from Koushiro's POV, but it puts in some from hers, and from it, I believe she is falling for him, even when she sees his bad sides. And everyone around her sees that she has a brother complex. Her GSA doesn't seem as strong as Koushiro's so it might be reversable, but I doubt anything aside from complete seperation would stop them from falling even more in love. And complete seperation was what started this mess.

For more information here's a link http://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/p/genetic-sexual-attraction.html
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Bra sniffing fapper and on top of that forgetting her bday... a good episode so let's see what's next!
 
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i never knew having siblings would be this hard...
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I know all you guys are angry on how much of an asshole this guy act but what I, personally, found amazing in this last two episodes is how well is portrayed the psychological battle between lust and morals that take place in his mind. In a way, it feels like I'm reading Crime and Punishment all over again.
 
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Poor Nanoka for having such a disgusting cunt for a brother.
 
Sep 24, 2016 9:32 PM

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this is why you flush it down ffs
 
Mar 11, 2018 10:06 AM

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For now I don't see any kind of love here, it's more like sexual desire on his part, and pure admiration on Nanoka's. Wonder where this is going!
 
Nov 13, 2018 11:51 PM

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Someone has to say it; her brother is a fucking tsundere
 
Apr 28, 11:41 AM
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Ugh, him at fue train station was so cringy to watch. And I get that he wants to repress his sexual feelings but he could do it in a more adult way... idk, I truly dislike Koushirou.
 
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Koushirou is a tsundere dick lmfao.

this episode was annoying.
 
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