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Oct 31, 2014 11:16 AM

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Oct 31, 2014 6:27 PM

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Once again 00 is the last great TV Gundam Anime. Hoping it improve but at least it's better than AGE.
 
Oct 31, 2014 8:53 PM

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zetsubousei_hero said:
Once again 00 is the last great TV Gundam Anime. Hoping it improve but at least it's better than AGE.


It's just the last one that was in tune with what already established modern Western anime audiences expect out of there shows, which IMO doesn't really amount to a whole lot. I like it personally quite a bit, but it's no secret as to why people think it's the absolute best there is. Since 00 though Sunrise has been trying some other ideas to try to branch Gundam out into new demographics and has actually succeeded in adding to the demo base with the likes of Gundam BF which saw the franchise for the first time gain female audiences that weren't just fujoshi and were actually interested in purchasing and building model kits instead of just ogling doujins of the handsome manly men.

If they wanted to I'm totally sure they could put on another 00 or Unicorn type Gundam series right now, but that doesn't really serve to challenge any new frontiers. The next Gundam work in that sort of modern anime style though will likely be next years Gundam the Origin. Reconguista and Try are clearly shooting for something a little different than a 00, Unicorn or god forbid Aldnoah.Zero, though that by no stretch makes them automatically bad shows.
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Nov 2, 2014 9:54 AM

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zetsubousei_hero said:
Once again 00 is the last great TV Gundam Anime. Hoping it improve but at least it's better than AGE.


I'm sorry, you seem to be forgetting Build Fighters.....

I kind of agree with the dude on this show being confusing, I've lost track of who is who and what everyone is doing and why some time ago. Which is kind of annoying because the names of the different factions are being thrown at me all the time. But we're only on episode 6 so there's plenty of time for everything to start making sense. The storytelling is certainly....unique
 
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LauraBirdie said:
zetsubousei_hero said:
Once again 00 is the last great TV Gundam Anime. Hoping it improve but at least it's better than AGE.


I'm sorry, you seem to be forgetting Build Fighters.....

I kind of agree with the dude on this show being confusing, I've lost track of who is who and what everyone is doing and why some time ago. Which is kind of annoying because the names of the different factions are being thrown at me all the time. But we're only on episode 6 so there's plenty of time for everything to start making sense. The storytelling is certainly....unique


Build Fighter does not count in the main series. If it does the need for Gunpla would't exist as those teens would be piloting real life mobile suit.
 
Nov 2, 2014 5:43 PM

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The art style is what I'd expect from an older Gundam series (which is ok since I love the older Gundams). The problem I have with this series is that too many random out of place things happen. Character's reactions don't fit the context of a situation.

For example. The beginning of the series the kids are heading to space to train but they're disregarding their trainers and acting like clowns.
They have a prisoner of war on the same ship in the control room yet the civilian cheerleader classmates can go to and from the control room without being punished or questioned. In fact they're the ones questioning the authority! Then, all of a sudden, the prisoner of war is now a cheerleader?! Shit just doesn't flow right at all in this series!

I appreciate the detail that's put into the mecha functionality (ie. how pilots take a shit while piloting a mobile suit or who pilots the airplanes that mobile suits ride on but the story needs fixing badly!

Turn A was a decent Gundam series....this however is is horrible.
 
Nov 4, 2014 5:12 AM
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i love gundams.. i have watched akmost all gundam series ( only G Gundam not yet )..

but this.. how he directed the story is so confusing.. i read that this show is targeted to children and what i know, children type of anime is like "ultraman, kamen riders, etc" where we get introduced with new enemies each week and loosely connected story for each episode..

but this.. i am an adult.. but i cant understand an anime that is supposed to target children? Gundam Age did better than this..

i love the art and animation style.. yeah.. i know i dont have to take the show seriously, but can we, a gundam fan, can take the show not seriously.. it is a freaking gundam show.. where it ushers the Real Robot anime era..

if it's for children it should have taken the Super Robot route like G Gundam, just shouting stuff to get powerup etc.. heck.. the Gundam Build Try is much better at this when targetting at children..
 
Nov 4, 2014 12:56 PM

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I do wonder what made tomino decide to go for this formula again after Turn A, i may just be saying this too early since im only 4 episodes deep into it but so far its had the most dynamic pacing and how its handling the seperation of wold/character building and action is quite stellar and fixes a complaint ive generally had with most of the entrees before it save for rare exceptions usually from ovas such as WITP and MS team, so i am quite interested as to why he decided to go back to the older mecha of the week type formula. less of a complaint and more akin to curiosity cause if i inherintly disliked this formula i would not be this deep into the series as i am.

Actually what was his post Turn A works like? Was king gainer also more akin to G reco than turn A?
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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
Nov 5, 2014 6:12 AM
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I didn't expect to like this series when I saw the pre-airing material but now I look forward to it on a weekly basis. I like how aloof the characters are with what's going on, the writing feels clever at times, most recently in ep 6 the part where they question the captains orders, I thought that was a good twist on what we're used to. None of the other series in the Gundam franchise that I have tried watching feel close to this one apart from maybe Turn A. I got some weird 80's/90's vibe from the colour choice and the characters behaviour, even the random goofy animals in one episode was some straight early Dragonball type material. The whole show is so inoffensive in a good way, things just happen, nothing to annoy me. The overall tone of the series is not for everyone, but it feels fresh for me with the peculiar take on humour and how the characters are reacting to the events. So far I think it's in the running for my favourite Gundam series. It's just plain fun without resorting to being juvenile or slapstick and that's going to rub a lot of viewers the wrong way.
 
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Actually what was his post Turn A works like? Was king gainer also more akin to G reco than turn A?
I'd definitely say so. Brain Powerd and Gainer have a very similar vibe to G Reco. Gainer has a much happier 'adventure'-like comedic element while Brain has the more haphazard story/character dumping and exceptionally peculiar cuts and battle-talk/vague politicking. Though I've not seen 6 yet, so it could easily move away from that too, but I do think the similarities are there.
 
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Original Neo genesis itself was a show that with out reading the lot supporting material, one has no idea what actually is going on behind the seemingly simple action sequences.

By the same formula, Recon has clear sides that fight each other, just the motives are still far from clearly explained by plot elements. A simple exposition scene like those saw in gundam 00 season 1 early episodes would have explain a whole lot.

I guess gainax people simply forgot what it has done back in the 90s with the whole lot with holding the how Eva 0 is connected to the plot, what was the mystery groups behind the nerv etc from audience almost the entire run of the TV show.
 
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I kinda agree with the guy I don't really understand what is going on either. Wasn't Bellri training to become a member Capital Army or something? Now he done a 360 and is now deciding to help the pirates the Capital Army's enemy?


The prisoners / captured personnel able to walk around ships unguarded, stealing gundams or other machines, end up fighting the side they came from, betrayal out of the blue was the trademark of early gundam series, just watch zeta gundam and the lot after all the way to victory, one will find tons of that wth plot element. So we can saw that as continue the tradition lol

Over all, the shows quality is very good so far, characters are pretty well constructed, just they still hasn't explain the lot of the world setting is a huge negative as it assume audience has loads of past uc gundam knowledge. They didn't even declare clearly how many political sides in existence the way 00 has done. So it is their own weakness not telling them.

It tries to be happy but already have two key character killed and loads more redshirt died ...
 
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Original Neo genesis itself was a show that with out reading the lot supporting material, one has no idea what actually is going on behind the seemingly simple action sequences.

By the same formula, Recon has clear sides that fight each other, just the motives are still far from clearly explained by plot elements. A simple exposition scene like those saw in gundam 00 season 1 early episodes would have explain a whole lot.

I guess gainax people simply forgot what it has done back in the 90s with the whole lot with holding the how Eva 0 is connected to the plot, what was the mystery groups behind the nerv etc from audience almost the entire run of the TV show.
the difference there is the hidden aspects of EVA was used to build a mystery about what was going on, G-reco is hiding basic terms that dont create any form of mystery by being hidden they just work to confuse the viewer and insultingly enough just get info dumped to us at a later episode making hiding it pointless(captain earth of past season did this annoyingly and G reco seems to be taking up the mantle).

The tragic part of it is that G reco is doing the same type of keeping the viewer in the dark thing to create intruege and mystery just like eva but it simply falls apart because of its lack of foundation, like kuntala, we only just learned in show what the hell that means 7 episodes deep after it had been tossed around multiple times prior, and how did they go about explaining this? By just giving a basic spoken explanation of it......so what the hell was the point of hiding it for 1/3rd of the show if your just going to tell us what it is so halfassed later on. The mystery behind the capital army is an interesting concept but its delivery is so weak it only comes off as a headscratcher.

My hope is that it gets through all this exposition regardless of how delayed it is before episode 12 and its 2nd half can really begin following through with any potential this series had, a 2nd half is way more important than its introduction

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
Nov 22, 2014 3:09 AM
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I concur. The series is great with design and animation treats delicious nostalgia. The main story elements are simple with your common jargons as in typical mechas, but the dialog and sequence are just going everywhere. Sometimes i can't seem to get some of the characters, they seem normal at one time then just being mad at another, strangling another to the ground, followed after acting as if nothing happened. There are more than a few of strange bipolar cases in Greco. Despite all that, sometimes i think Raraiya is one of the few that makes sense. Ah well, still glad we get two gundam series this season.
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Nov 22, 2014 4:00 AM

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This show is top tier, I need my weekly Tomino-dose you know.
 
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http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/anico_bin/imgs/4/7/47ab4da2.jpg

i found this... at last make things easier to understand
00 did just that in the season one second episode opening.
 
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The Capital Guard are only engineers & guards for the photon energy battery they're not even an Army. The Capital Army was establish after the attack of the Capital Tower & the alleged kidnapping of Bellri. For 1000 Years within the RC Era a War has never broke out this has resulted in a carefree lifestyle for many especially for the people within Capital Territory.
 
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The characters are all highly unrealistic and impossible to relate to. Information regarding the plot, the current-events of the world, the events of UC, and the geography of the world is practically non-existent.

So, essentially, the two biggest selling points of every single Gundam series that's aired to date, that is to say, the characters and the setting, are the worst things about this series. This problem is made ever worse given that the story takes place in the UC universe. The richest and most beloved Gundam universe is completely wasted on this series, as it does practically nothing to take advantage of 30+ years of story telling. The story may as well take place in Narnia. The audience wouldn't know any better anyways.

Critically, this show is a complete flop. Some people may like it, but some people also like Boku no Pico. While we're all free to like whatever we want, anyone trying to defend this show is, from a literary point of view, simply wrong. Watch it, like it, but just don't try to defend characters or setting. I've seen porno's with better exposition that this show.
 
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The characters are all highly unrealistic and impossible to relate to. Information regarding the plot, the current-events of the world, the events of UC, and the geography of the world is practically non-existent.

So, essentially, the two biggest selling points of every single Gundam series that's aired to date, that is to say, the characters and the setting, are the worst things about this series. This problem is made ever worse given that the story takes place in the UC universe. The richest and most beloved Gundam universe is completely wasted on this series, as it does practically nothing to take advantage of 30+ years of story telling. The story may as well take place in Narnia. The audience wouldn't know any better anyways.

Critically, this show is a complete flop. Some people may like it, but some people also like Boku no Pico. While we're all free to like whatever we want, anyone trying to defend this show is, from a literary point of view, simply wrong. Watch it, like it, but just don't try to defend characters or setting. I've seen porno's with better exposition that this show.


You took the words out of my mouth.
 
Dec 10, 2014 6:40 AM
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Lol...it seems that G-Reco is getting a better appeal from most audience. Well to those who can't tolerate such an interesting series, then so be it. It seems that your knowledge In Gundam couldn't brain what Tomino is trying to convey in this series. Tata peeps =P. The story is just implicit and amazing, too bad haters are missing this out. I have plenty of facts down my sleeves. Well haters gonna hate bla bla bla....
 
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Vicis said:
The characters are all highly unrealistic and impossible to relate to. Information regarding the plot, the current-events of the world, the events of UC, and the geography of the world is practically non-existent.

So, essentially, the two biggest selling points of every single Gundam series that's aired to date, that is to say, the characters and the setting, are the worst things about this series. This problem is made ever worse given that the story takes place in the UC universe. The richest and most beloved Gundam universe is completely wasted on this series, as it does practically nothing to take advantage of 30+ years of story telling. The story may as well take place in Narnia. The audience wouldn't know any better anyways.

Critically, this show is a complete flop. Some people may like it, but some people also like Boku no Pico. While we're all free to like whatever we want, anyone trying to defend this show is, from a literary point of view, simply wrong. Watch it, like it, but just don't try to defend characters or setting. I've seen porno's with better exposition that this show.


You took the words out of my mouth.


Porno is always about the better exposition. Not that "The audience wouldn't know any better anyways", also confirmed.

I doubt that most of these appreciative fans of the "beloved" Gundam know jack shit about it in the first place, so if you are going to complain, keep it off the franchise, especially the UC one.
 
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After watching episode 13 I can approve this guy's message, this anime is as bad as it can get, being the plot the main problem and the complete lack of common sense of the main characters.
After watching Gundam 00 (one of my top 5 anime), watching reconguista just makes me want to cry.
 
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sigh.. people keep 'protecting' this show just becoz it is Tomino's work.. i bet most of those people will bash the show if a no-name director did it..

the problem with this show is not the PLOT.. its all about common sense and settings..
 
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For 1000 Years within the RC Era a War has never broke out this has resulted in a carefree lifestyle for many especially for the people within Capital Territory.


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sigh.. people keep 'protecting' this show just becoz it is Tomino's work.. i bet most of those people will bash the show if a no-name director did it..

the problem with this show is not the PLOT.. its all about common sense and settings..


I think these two quotes are linked, especially when we talk about how prisoners can roam free and are treated like any other person. Tomino should have said something about this 1000 years free of war in the first 2 episodes because this establishes context!

First Impression
The setting and characters are beautifully drawn, but I feel that some of the characters' reactions and motivations are forced or superficial. The death of Captain Cahill should have produced a more devastating effect on the girl, for instance. The fact that Bellri decided to help the pirates just like that didn't really help either (yes, I know this is Tomino's trademark as some suggested, but still...)

Finally, the most disappointing of all for me personally, is the design of the mobile suit. I think it looks very childish and cartoony.

As for the overall plot, I will hold my tongue until I watch eps 11++

My 2 cents.
 
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Shut up dork.
 
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For 1000 Years within the RC Era a War has never broke out this has resulted in a carefree lifestyle for many especially for the people within Capital Territory.


beavermml said:
sigh.. people keep 'protecting' this show just becoz it is Tomino's work.. i bet most of those people will bash the show if a no-name director did it..

the problem with this show is not the PLOT.. its all about common sense and settings..



Actually in episode 3 Aida was transferred into the custody of the Capital Research Division. Within the Research Division Aida was no longer treated as a prisoner this was due to her supervision of Colonel Cumpa. Colonel Cumpa also allowed & directed Aida to where the G Self was located.
Had you actually payed attention you'd notice Cumpa allowed Aida & the others to leave his office as well head towards the G Self. Aida took advantage of Bellri incompetence & naive nature which allowed her to steal back the G Self.
Oh & the Capital Guard is a religious organization that just are Engineers, those that Guard the Photon Batteries & follow SU-cordism they do not fight for the Capital Territory Country.
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Ghnan said:
TheTitanx56 said:
For 1000 Years within the RC Era a War has never broke out this has resulted in a carefree lifestyle for many especially for the people within Capital Territory.


beavermml said:
sigh.. people keep 'protecting' this show just becoz it is Tomino's work.. i bet most of those people will bash the show if a no-name director did it..

the problem with this show is not the PLOT.. its all about common sense and settings..


I think these two quotes are linked, especially when we talk about how prisoners can roam free and are treated like any other person. Tomino should have said something about this 1000 years free of war in the first 2 episodes because this establishes context!

First Impression
The setting and characters are beautifully drawn, but I feel that some of the characters' reactions and motivations are forced or superficial. The death of Captain Cahill should have produced a more devastating effect on the girl, for instance. The fact that Bellri decided to help the pirates just like that didn't really help either (yes, I know this is Tomino's trademark as some suggested, but still...)

Finally, the most disappointing of all for me personally, is the design of the mobile suit. I think it looks very childish and cartoony.

As for the overall plot, I will hold my tongue until I watch eps 11++

My 2 cents.


1000 years without wars but they have machines with guns, beams, army, etc.. that sounds.. not correct
 
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beavermml said:
Ghnan said:




I think these two quotes are linked, especially when we talk about how prisoners can roam free and are treated like any other person. Tomino should have said something about this 1000 years free of war in the first 2 episodes because this establishes context!

First Impression
The setting and characters are beautifully drawn, but I feel that some of the characters' reactions and motivations are forced or superficial. The death of Captain Cahill should have produced a more devastating effect on the girl, for instance. The fact that Bellri decided to help the pirates just like that didn't really help either (yes, I know this is Tomino's trademark as some suggested, but still...)

Finally, the most disappointing of all for me personally, is the design of the mobile suit. I think it looks very childish and cartoony.

As for the overall plot, I will hold my tongue until I watch eps 11++

My 2 cents.


1000 years without wars but they have machines with guns, beams, army, etc.. that sounds.. not correct


Err maybe you haven't been paying attention but the show clearly states pretty early on that Ameria and Gondwan have been at war for some time and that the Amerian army has actual experience fighting in armed conflicts and was even able to build a space fleet, which pissed off Towasanga. It's also why Klim is basically laughing at the Capital Army early on and not taking anything seriously up until his first fight with Mask cause to him these are just a bunch of greenhorns playing with fancy toys. The Capital Army only recently came into existence when the Capital was able to acquire superior U.C technology and likely the Rose of Hermes Blueprints from Towasanga, otherwise it was known as the capital guard which is a very thinly veiled expy for Japan's own IRL Self-Defense Force. This is all pretty much explained very clearly early in the show.

Also I found Aida's reaction to Cahill's death and the aftermath in episode 2 pretty fitting. She only talked about him and how his death messed up their plans since he was the one that came up with them and how she hated Bellri and wouldn't even really speak to him or trust him up until about the part where she met his mother and her actual father came back into the picture. It took her a while to get over that clearly and act as part of the leadership contingent again.

Incidentally I think it would have really helped peoples impression of this show if some didn't just clearly through up their arms really early on as it was establishing it's setting as they are prone to do and decide that it didn't make sense and never could. The show clearly started coming into it's own in terms of what the plot and themes were by episode 8 or so as is typically the norm for Gundam series, but people just seriously lack any sort of patience for these original stories with no source material that they have to watch week to week and really honestly pay attention to to understand. Like trust me it goes such a long way.
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I also have no idea what the hell is going on anymore. I'm at episode 22. I've kind of lost track of all the faction, and I still can't figure out how those characters think. Everyone keeps jumping from one ship to another, from different factions, and nobody seems to mind. If someone from your opposing faction winds up on your ship, I guess the correct course of action is to get that someone to help out around the ship. And everything thinks its normal. Nobody batted an eye when Bel joined the pirates. Nobody minded that Manny, who's from Mask's ship, was helping out around the Megafauna. Hell they even gave her a giant mecha, that she took back to Mask. And I doubt anyone's gonna be pissed about that.

But I AM enjoying it. The characters are a delight, and they are so unpredictable that I really have no idea what's going to happen next.
 
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