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Oct 11, 2014 8:50 AM

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And they ruined the lancer encounter -____-

THiswill have same problems as DEENFSN.
You're watching it? What was ruined exactly?


NO inner monologue, No shirou prep inner dialogue about dodging, no last minute dodging, way less impressive SHirou feats.


Gay Bulge btw looks similar to Prisma Illya's fragrach animation
 
Oct 11, 2014 8:51 AM

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BotatoPriest said:
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And they ruined the lancer encounter -____-

THiswill have same problems as DEENFSN.
You're watching it? What was ruined exactly?


He means they don't show Shirou's monologue during his battle with Lancer. So it looks like he just runs.
 
Oct 11, 2014 8:51 AM

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You're watching it? What was ruined exactly?


He means they don't show Shirou's monologue during his battle with Lancer. So it's look like he just runs.


Does not run. More like gets kicked through window to the shed.
 
Oct 11, 2014 8:53 AM

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We're going to have to live with the fact that this will be missing allot of our favorite monologues
and internal debates
and maybe dream sequences
 
Oct 11, 2014 11:06 AM

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As long as they still keep the most essential inner monologues then we should be fine.
 
Oct 11, 2014 11:25 AM

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There are two types of people in the world, Book readers and people who don't care for it.

Reading a VN came naturally to me because i loved reading books.

Is that it? what about you guys?

I know we can't get everyone to just go and read the VN solving all their (And our) problems, but i still think ima make that #1 option.

I think you're overlooking several aspects that make VNs so appealing. I've never been a big fan of regular books mylsef. VNs are an entirely different experience. You have visuals, voices, music... so in that sense, it's pretty similar to anime. But you also have more character development and a deeper story.

I can safely say I've spent much more time reading VNs than watching anime, and I think many people would get hooked on VNs as well if they gave it a try. VNs are much more than a whole bunch of words.
 
Oct 11, 2014 11:31 AM
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I actually prefer book reading, though that's not to say I don't enjoy reading VN's.
 
Oct 11, 2014 11:34 AM

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There are two types of people in the world, Book readers and people who don't care for it.

Reading a VN came naturally to me because i loved reading books.

I don't necessarily agree with this statement. VNs and LNs have an unfortunate language barrier that is usually overcome with shoddy translations. Reading a book originally written in one's native language is a very different experience than reading a translated version. I love reading books, but I have a tough time getting immersed in VNs and LNs.
 
Oct 11, 2014 12:08 PM

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There are two types of people in the world, Book readers and people who don't care for it.

Reading a VN came naturally to me because i loved reading books.

I don't necessarily agree with this statement. VNs and LNs have an unfortunate language barrier that is usually overcome with shoddy translations. Reading a book originally written in one's native language is a very different experience than reading a translated version. I love reading books, but I have a tough time getting immersed in VNs and LNs.


That is just a motivation to learn the language of the original, is it not?
 
Oct 11, 2014 12:22 PM
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Not surprised about the monologues, really. I imagine that some of them will stay, but mid-fight, it wouldn't work well in animated form.

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We're going to have to live with the fact that this will be missing allot of our favorite monologues
and internal debates
and maybe dream sequences

...and sex scenes.

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Haters can drown in their shit taste and die.

Haters can drown in super-spicy curry.
 
Oct 11, 2014 12:27 PM

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BatoKusanagi said:
Not surprised about the monologues, really. I imagine that some of them will stay, but mid-fight, it wouldn't work well in animated form.

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We're going to have to live with the fact that this will be missing allot of our favorite monologues
and internal debates
and maybe dream sequences

...and sex scenes.

UBW is the only route where I can forgive this, hehe.
 
Oct 11, 2014 12:29 PM
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BatoKusanagi said:
Not surprised about the monologues, really. I imagine that some of them will stay, but mid-fight, it wouldn't work well in animated form.

WrongPriest said:
We're going to have to live with the fact that this will be missing allot of our favorite monologues
and internal debates
and maybe dream sequences

...and sex scenes.

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Haters can drown in their shit taste and die.

Haters can drown in super-spicy curry.

Or Mapo Tofu.
 
Oct 11, 2014 12:37 PM

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BatoKusanagi said:

...and sex scenes.


Hopefuly implied and no dolphins.
 
Oct 11, 2014 1:57 PM

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Without a legitimate fate route adaptation the whole "Experience" we try to get anime-only fellaz to enjoy is kinda out of reach.

The 3 Routes need each other like peanut butter and jelly.. and bread.
Bread?

Always thought it was a baseball bat.

The "reading the VN first" option is indeed pretty tough one cause the person has to be or get used to the medium, look past the possible mistranslations/poor tranlations, and more generally bear with and Nasu's very verbose style of writing.
Add to that the fact that the VN is like 100+ hours long, which is pretty frightening especially you put that next to the average length of a 2-cour animu series, and I wouldn't actually blame some newcomers to be scared away by that monster.

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We're going to have to live with the fact that this will be missing allot of our favorite monologues
and internal debates
and maybe dream sequences
Yeah, some of those are bound to be missing, but that's what comes with any adaptation after all. Now let's just hope UFOtable will find creative ways to convey the characters' feelings/struggles through other means than wordy inner speeches.

The dream sequences are probably safe tho, cause that's still pretty easy to show without needing to tell.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
Oct 11, 2014 5:27 PM

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If I wanted 100% loyalty, then I would just go and re-read the VN.

Ufotable is doing a great job. This is pretty much as loyal as you can get, and I'm glad that ufotable has covered all the essential points in, as always, very impressive visuals.
 
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1-4 are eventually answered.
5. Well, I hope hollow ataraxia and Apocrypha eventually get an adaptation, yes.
6. I have read the MB/FSN crossover doujinshi, but I'm not hoping to get an official one. Excluding a fanservice gag show like Carnival Phantasm, I don't see any reason to adapt an anime or even make a crossover in the first place, when people are demanding the Tsukihime remake and possibly later its anime adaptation (because it never got a proper one).


Hmm thanks,do I expect some of my first 4 questions answered in UBW?But doujinshi was fun (more mainstream type and not ecchi/hentai) it was around 8 chapters I think but I don't think it had a conclusion. :)
 
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1-4 are eventually answered.
5. Well, I hope hollow ataraxia and Apocrypha eventually get an adaptation, yes.
6. I have read the MB/FSN crossover doujinshi, but I'm not hoping to get an official one. Excluding a fanservice gag show like Carnival Phantasm, I don't see any reason to adapt an anime or even make a crossover in the first place, when people are demanding the Tsukihime remake and possibly later its anime adaptation (because it never got a proper one).


Hmm thanks,do I expect some of my first 4 questions answered in UBW?But doujinshi was fun (more mainstream type and not ecchi/hentai) it was around 8 chapters I think but I don't think it had a conclusion. :)


 
Oct 12, 2014 3:56 AM
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So ive just finished watchign the 2006 series by deen and dint htink it was terrible. Deciding whther to go to UBW or fate/zero. Will fate/zero spoil anything in UBW considering ive alrdy seen the original fate/saty night ?
 
Oct 12, 2014 3:59 AM

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No, but it'll render a large portion of Heaven's Feel moot. But since you ended up watching the DEEN adaption (how?), one of the points is spoiled there. Watch Zero if you need your Fate fix now, or just go along with UBW
 
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sgs2008 said:
So ive just finished watchign the 2006 series by deen and dint htink it was terrible. Deciding whther to go to UBW or fate/zero. Will fate/zero spoil anything in UBW considering ive alrdy seen the original fate/saty night ?


Fate/Zero spoils UBW a bit (not a lot though in my opinion), but it's a lot more harmful to the final route, Heaven's Feel. As stated in the OP, shock and mystery factor are lessened by seeing FZ before FSN, but it's still a worthy experience. Just keep that in mind, should you decide to watch FZ before UBW.
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:02 AM
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sgs2008 said:
So ive just finished watchign the 2006 series by deen and dint htink it was terrible. Deciding whther to go to UBW or fate/zero. Will fate/zero spoil anything in UBW considering ive alrdy seen the original fate/saty night ?

I'd recommend forgetting what you saw in DEEN (because it's all wrong there) then watching UBW, then HF movies, then Zero last.
 
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sgs2008 said:
So ive just finished watchign the 2006 series by deen and dint htink it was terrible. Deciding whther to go to UBW or fate/zero. Will fate/zero spoil anything in UBW considering ive alrdy seen the original fate/saty night ?

I'd recommend forgetting what you saw in DEEN (because it's all wrong there) then watching UBW, then HF movies, then Zero last.


Only problem is, no one knows when HF will come out...
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:05 AM
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I hope 2015/6.
But I doubt it.
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:06 AM

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Before Tsukihime Remake and Mahoyo 2, that's certain
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:09 AM

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Before Tsukihime Remake and Mahoyo 2, that's certain
It is Nasu's fault.
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:10 AM
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Before Tsukihime Remake and Mahoyo 2, that's certain

The real question is, will we see Mahoyo completed and then translated as well before we die?
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:23 AM

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I hope 2015/6.
But I doubt it.


If I remember correctly, the Q&A they showed at the early screenings revealed that they would start working on HF once they are finished with UBW. And since UBW's BDs will come out at the end of 2015, then the movie BD has to be released and subbed...

Well, that's why I think it's no good recommending to stall FZ until HF comes out.
 
Oct 12, 2014 4:26 AM

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Before Tsukihime Remake and Mahoyo 2, that's certain

The real question is, will we see Mahoyo completed and then translated as well before we die?


Considering I have to wait 7 whole more days till Episode 2.

Probably not.

I'll add this, if you can stomach one VN in your entire life. Make it this one. It has pretty much everything.

I'm not biased.

Also then it doesn't matter which order you watch them. Everyone wins.
 
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Well done. This is exactly what people new to the series needs.
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Oct 15, 2014 2:07 AM
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What I don't get right now is seeing as how the first episode was 1 hour and 45 minutes seeming like it covered the whole fate series or something. How are there more episodes coming?
 
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What I don't get right now is seeing as how the first episode was 1 hour and 45 minutes seeming like it covered the whole fate series or something. How are there more episodes coming?


It has only just begun young one, brace yourself.

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Oct 15, 2014 2:31 AM

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waalex11 said:
What I don't get right now is seeing as how the first episode was 1 hour and 45 minutes seeming like it covered the whole fate series or something. How are there more episodes coming?


I'm not sure what you mean? The war hasn't even started.
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Oct 15, 2014 3:44 AM

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Probably mistook the DEEN Unlimited Blade Works movie for Episode 1 by Ufotable(I don't know how that's possible, though).
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Probably mistook the DEEN Unlimited Blade Works movie for Episode 1 by Ufotable(I don't know how that's possible, though).


That would be a pity... I really feel sorry for anyone whose first UBW experience is by the movie, even more so, if it was accidental.
 
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Probably mistook the DEEN Unlimited Blade Works movie for Episode 1 by Ufotable(I don't know how that's possible, though).


That would be a pity... I really feel sorry for anyone whose first UBW experience is by the movie, even more so, if it was accidental.


I don't know, if it isn't accidental it's kind of their own fault for not doing even a little bit of research.
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Oct 15, 2014 4:23 AM

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I don't know, if it isn't accidental it's kind of their own fault for not doing even a little bit of research.


It depends... some sites forget to add the "movie" label onto the movie, which can cause... misunderstandings...
 
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I think there'll be quite a few casualties of Deen within the next month or so

People will want to know what all the fuss is about and just go watch the 1 1/2 hr movie, especially during the wait for the 2nd half.

Fate/stay night's experience with anime has been an absolute disaster, the only iteration that's enjoyable after reading the VN is Carnival phantasm.

But FSN will still always be on 90% of top 5 VN lists, so it's got that going for it.
 
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Probably mistook the DEEN Unlimited Blade Works movie for Episode 1 by Ufotable(I don't know how that's possible, though).
Sorry but that is just too funny if it's true lol.

No I do not feel horrible nor do I think I am evil for laughing at this.
 
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nonexistent DEENFSN as bad as it gets, can be forgotten.

I fear people being pushed into watching Zero first and then complaining that this "tells nothing new", etc, will be far bigger problem.
 
Oct 15, 2014 8:01 AM
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What I don't get right now is seeing as how the first episode was 1 hour and 45 minutes seeming like it covered the whole fate series or something. How are there more episodes coming?

If it looked like this

You just made one of the worst mistakes of your life.
 
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What I don't get right now is seeing as how the first episode was 1 hour and 45 minutes seeming like it covered the whole fate series or something. How are there more episodes coming?

If it looked like this

You just made one of the worst mistakes of your life.


At first I was surprised. "What the fuck is that supposed to look like? Is this even real?" But you know what, I shouldn't be surprised.

That spear. Perfection.
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Oct 15, 2014 8:29 AM
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If it looked like this

You just made one of the worst mistakes of your life.


At first I was surprised. "What the fuck is that supposed to look like? Is this even real?" But you know what, I shouldn't be surprised.

That spear. Perfection.

Made 2 years after Kara no Kyoukai movie one. Gj Deen, Gj.
 
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InsertPriestHere said:
Harlequina said:


At first I was surprised. "What the fuck is that supposed to look like? Is this even real?" But you know what, I shouldn't be surprised.

That spear. Perfection.

Made 2 years after Kara no Kyoukai movie one. Gj Deen, Gj.
Problem with DEEN is they either try to make it look good but it's a still image, or try to make it move fluidly but are too lazy to make it look good. Sometimes they fail at both. And some other times, at least as far as Fate/ is concerned, they don't even try to portray what the novel was describing.

Meh. Whatever.

Speaking of KnK, it turns out the KnK movies are the same order as in the novels (as in movie 1 = chapter 1). Should have searched the damn facts instead of letting "chrono vs. release" questions confuse me -_-
 
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Here's a question, why would anyone want to be friends with Shinji? I hear the manga actually gives a believable reason, which I'm doubtful of. I mean even if you don't know he's the face of domestic abusers, he's still an all around arrogant prick.
 
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Here's a question, why would anyone want to be friends with Shinji? I hear the manga actually gives a believable reason, which I'm doubtful of. I mean even if you don't know he's the face of domestic abusers, he's still an all around arrogant prick.
Shirou and Shinji used to be friends. That was before high school and before he started raping Sakura. Shirou liked Shinji's honesty, despite his rude way of talking, and they often hung around and talked.

As for why anyone would want to be friends with him in high school... probably the wakame hair. Yeah, the hair. That must be it.
 
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CorePriest said:
ReaperCreeper said:
Here's a question, why would anyone want to be friends with Shinji? I hear the manga actually gives a believable reason, which I'm doubtful of. I mean even if you don't know he's the face of domestic abusers, he's still an all around arrogant prick.
Shirou and Shinji used to be friends. That was before high school and before he started raping Sakura. Shirou liked Shinji's honesty, despite his rude way of talking, and they often hung around and talked.

As for why anyone would want to be friends with him in high school... probably the wakame hair. Yeah, the hair. That must be it.


Also both Sakura and Shirou imply that he used to be half-decent human being. I guess before he became such an asshole he was more akin to F/Extra Shinji - a self-indulgent jerk, but one who is bearable.

 
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Shirou and Shinji used to be friends. That was before high school and before he started raping Sakura. Shirou liked Shinji's honesty, despite his rude way of talking, and they often hung around and talked.

As for why anyone would want to be friends with him in high school... probably the wakame hair. Yeah, the hair. That must be it.


Also both Sakura and Shirou imply that he used to be half-decent human being. I guess before he became such an asshole he was more akin to F/Extra Shinji - a self-indulgent jerk, but one who is bearable.

Not for Sakura though lol.


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A video by Sawyer that pretty well illustrates how confusing and frustrating this can be for newcomers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOtnoMn4mRM&list=UU_LDTZuy4FWeVcsVU2kfoww
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A video by Sawyer that pretty well illustrates how confusing and frustrating this can be for newcomers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOtnoMn4mRM&list=UU_LDTZuy4FWeVcsVU2kfoww


And the top comment is literally "hey guyse if your confused watch Zero first~"

*facepalm*
 
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A video by Sawyer that pretty well illustrates how confusing and frustrating this can be for newcomers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOtnoMn4mRM&list=UU_LDTZuy4FWeVcsVU2kfoww


Phew. I glanced over few comments and immediately hit Ctrl-F4 and returned to Tsukihime (I'm close to the end of the Ciel route). It's bad enough that I'm starting to get Nostalgia Critic rank seizures when seeing idiotic comments...
Can anyone kind enough provide me with a quick summary of the video itself?
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