Foreword The anime "Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works" is not a remake nor a continuation of the "Fate/Stay Night" anime that premiered in 2006. The 2014 F/SN UBW adapts the Unlimited Blade Works route of the visual novel rather closely (though there are still things that were excluded) while the 2006 F/SN was an inaccurate and botched adaptation of the source material (though whether or not it's good as a standalone anime depends on the individual viewer). If you have seen Fate/Zero before starting this show, then please keep an open mind and don't expect to be watching Fate/Zero 2. F/Z and F/SN were written by different authors with different approaches to the stories that are in themselves different in tone and what aspects they focus on, so to expect any of them to be like the other may hinder your full enjoyment. This is what Kinoko Nasu (the author of F/SN and creator of the franchise) told the anime staff prior to the production of F/SN UBW: Where do I start? Choose one of these options to get into the series: Anime-only: UBW anime -> HF movies -> Fate/Zero. Go with this order if you want to only experience the Fate series in anime form. However, you won't be getting the complete Fate/Stay Night experience because there is no good anime adaption of the Fate route. The Fate route is mainly Saber's story while also serving as an introduction and worldbuilding route. Although, it's not entirely necessary to read the Fate route first, so if you don't want to take the plunge into VNs, the UBW anime is your next best way to start the series. Intended: Fate route of the VN -> UBW anime -> HF movies -> Fate/Zero. Go with this order if you prefer to experience the series as it was intended with the first route of the VN, and experiencing the rest in anime form. The Fate route is roughly 12 hours long and is the ideal introduction to the series. It also seems like ufotable intends for people to play the Fate route before watching their UBW adaption by advertising that the route is free for smartphones (japan only) at the bottom of their website. It's widely agreed that the VN has a very slow start, but I assure you once it picks up you'll have trouble trying to put it down. Brave: Entire F/SN visual novel -> Fate/Zero -> UBW anime -> HF movies. I recommend this order if you just can't wait at all for the adaptions or prefer to experience F/SN in it's original, uncut form. With the full story being available to you but having to wait until the end of Spring 2015 for UBW to finish, and who knows how long for all the HF movies to be completed, and then finally getting to watch Fate/Zero, I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up going with this order when you originally were following one of the other options. You also get to see how well ufotable adapts the story and don't get to miss out on all the things that were cut. Just be prepared to spend 50+ hours as it is a very long VN, but it's definitely worth every second. Credit for the quote regarding where to start goes to RedShadoww, taken from his awesome guide: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/seriesfaq-fate ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ a source that you will read if you're new to the franchise. READ THE INFORMATION IN THE ABOVE LINK FIRST, then read below for additional Q&A, and then check out the Q&A thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1292653 if you still have any questions. F/Z = Fate/Zero F/SN = Fate/Stay Night Subsections: -General (general questions regarding the Fate franchise and the Type-MOON universe) -F/SN vs F/Z (regarding the comparisons between them and the thoughts someone might have after watching Fate/Zero first) -F/SN UBW 2014 vs F/SN 2006 and F/SN UBW 2010 (regarding the comparisons between them and the thoughts someone might have after watching the latter two first) -F/SN UBW 2014 Specific (explanations to questions and thoughts an anime-only viewer might be wondering about after watching up to specific episodes) -Additional Information General Q: There are so many spinoffs. Is there a visual that would help in making sense of the Fate branch of the Nasuverse? A:  Also, here is another one which is more up to date but a lot messier https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-45d883b23f4a40f0ba60495e6b0d016a  Credit: ??? Q: I don't feel that any of the three recommended viewing paths are a good fit for me. A: While ultimately everyone can do as they please, it's fact that Fate/Stay Night (and naturally it's story) is the original source material. Fate/Zero was made AFTER Fate/Stay Night and its plot makes it very evident that it assumes the viewer has knowledge of F/SN. Additional discussion regarding the reasoning behind watching F/SN before F/Z and other works in the Fate franchise and can be found in the following thread: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1234355 Q: What are the Heaven's Feel movies? A: http://myanimelist.net/anime/25537/Fate/stay_night:_Heavens_Feel Heaven's Feel is the third and final route of Fate/Stay Night and will be adapted as one or more movies. Q: I read only the Fate route of the visual novel, and I wasn't too fond of Shirou. Is he different in UBW and HF? A: Yes. Shirou's reasoning and decision making changes across each route. He's most idealistic in Fate. Q: [Insert character here] barely had any screen time, yet they were just barely introduced in this show or had played a role in F/Z??? A: Every route gives a different amount of focus to each character (not counting Shirou since every route is from his perspective). So, if you find that one character didn't have as much of a role in UBW as you'd like, then they'll most likely have a larger or even central role in the Fate and/or HF routes. F/SN vs F/Z Q: F/SN has teenage protagonists. Is this less mature than Fate/Zero? A: Debatable, but it's best to just keep an open mind and see how the plot unfolds before you judge. Don't write off something just because there's a high school and teenagers until you actually know the plot. Q: Is this less dark than F/Z? A: Debatable. This could be more or less depending on your tastes. HF is the generally considered the darkest of the three routes. Q: Why doesn't F/SN introduce all of the masters at the beginning like F/Z did? A: F/Z has an ensemble cast whereas F/SN is focused on a smaller group of clear protagonists. You'll be introduced to the other masters as the story continues. Q: I watched F/Z already. Did I screw myself over? A: The shock factor from numerous revelations will be gone, but instead you can still enjoy the anticipation of when the characters discover those revelations and also enjoy the foreshadowing that you manage to notice. F/Z and F/SN episode zero (prologue) spoiler: Q: Why does this Archer look F/Z and F/SN episode zero (prologue) spoiler: Q: This Lancer looks Q: I watched F/Z and so far they haven't really told us anything we didn't already know. Why is that? Q: Why are Fate fans strongly recommending against watching F/Z before experiencing the story of F/SN? A: Keep in mind that F/Z was a prequel made after F/SN. As well as F/Z might have done in getting newcomers up to speed, F/SN is a standalone story so it doesn't and can't make the assumption that everyone has already seen F/Z beforehand if it's to be faithful to the source material. Essentially this question is akin to watching a remastered version of the original Star Wars trilogy and asking why it explains things that you already know from watching the prequel trilogy or why it may appear to have a different feel or tone. Follow up Q: But I watched F/Z first and I swear they're treating this anime as a sequel to it. Just look at all the references! A: Many of the references that you see were already present in the original source material, though this anime plays them up more or less. They only appear to be references because they were the pieces of information used in creating F/Z. The other references were added in by Ufotable for this show as an acknowledgment that F/Z exists and that many viewers had already seen it. However, as good of a prequel that F/Z was and no matter how well it flows into F/SN, the fact remains that F/SN's story is standalone and was written first, and F/Z was meant to be complimentary material that goes in depth regarding the past that F/SN refers to. It's ok if you watched F/Z first, but don't act like it was the intended starting point of this franchise as it will spoil numerous things in F/SN (in particular the Heaven's Feel route which will be made into a movie or series of movies). Additionally, here is an excerpt from the end of Volume I of the Fate/Zero light novel (in spoiler tags to reduce clutter) F/SN UBW 2014 vs F/SN 2006 and F/SN UBW 2010 Q: Shirou is still the main character. Is he annoying like in the 2006 adaptation? A: Again, the 2006 adaptation butchered many aspects of F/SN, especially Shirou's character. Q: How much does the previous UBW movie adaptation by DEEN spoil this anime? A: DEEN's UBW movie is essentially a brief summary of this anime and is mainly just action scenes with little context. You'll end up spoiling the plot for yourself without actually understanding much of it due to the lack of context and rob yourself of the full experience. Where can I find additional discussion regarding F/SN 2006 vs F/SN UBW 2014? A: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1299915 Related (posted on the F/SN 2006 forum): http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=635739 Spoilers up to episode two: Q: I watched the original 2006 anime adaptation and so far this adaptation doesn't seem F/SN UBW 2014 Specific Spoilers up to episode three: Q: In the fight, why didn't Archer just target Spoilers up to episode four: Q: I don't like the way that Shirou has been acting. Will he change? Is this just the result of bad characterization? Spoilers up to episode five: Q: What's up with the retreat of Spoilers up to episode ten: Q: What's the deal with Shirou's counterattack? Spoilers up to episode ten: Q: Why doesn't Rin bring Spoilers up to episode ten: Q: How did a human Spoilers up to episode ten: Q: So that retreat... Spoilers up to episode 12 Q: Shirou used Spoilers up to episode 12 Q: Just what exactly is that Noble Phantasm used by Spoilers up to episode 12 Q: How did Spoilers up to episode 12 Q: Why did Shirou stop Q: Ok, so why exactly is Taiga so important? A: Taiga's grandfather pays for and oversees the land that Shirou lives on, and Taiga herself is a big sister figure to Shirou and looked after him after Kiritsugu's death. So yes, she's kind of a big deal to Shirou. Keep in mind that it's (Spoiler up to episode 12) Spoilers up to episode 12 Q: But Shirou knew the Spoilers up to episode 12 Q: Near the end of the episode, what's the Additional Information Q: What are the attributes, class abilities, skills, and noble phantasms of the servants that are shown in this anime? A: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1287299 Q: Despite all of the introductions and explanations presented in the early episodes, I'm still confused. A: Things get will be explained at the appropriate time, just as most stories do. Stories present mysteries and information at the beginning which are then unraveled and explained as the plot progresses. But if you find that over time those questions aren't being answered, you could ask in a separate topic or check out Type-Moon's wiki. Q: What does Type-Moon think of the DEEN adaptations? A: http://images.sgcafe.net/2014/09/large__20140926234040ca7.jpg Note that the Fate/Zero anime was included in the timeline. I think it speaks for itself. Q: I have more questions. Where are good places for me to ask? A: While you could create a new topic on here or ask in some other topic (however this could potentially lead to its derailment), here's a conveniently designated place for Q&A: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1292653 There's also the Fate/Stay Night subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/new/ Q: Where can I find more information on Type-Moon's works? A: http://typemoon.wikia.com However, be very careful of spoilers. Closing Words Lastly, if you are genuinely interested in truly experiencing or learning why Fate has received as much hype as it has, you will have to read the visual novel no matter how close this adaptation may be as there are numerous details and inner thoughts that have been excluded. |
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| Great Ive been wondering some of that |
| "I lost all of what you could call feelings of love. They weren't sealed, so they can't be released. They weren't broken, so they can't be fixed. That which is lost, cannot be recovered." Shiba Tatsuya "There are no regrets. If one can be proud of one's life, one should not wish for another chance." Saber "No matter what happens, no matter how crazy things get, I'll always try to restore balance." Korra "It's madness to let others take what's yours and accept it blindly." Baatar Jr "Instinct is a lie, told by a fearful body, hoping to be wrong." Zaheer "Partner in crime, partner in time" Chloe Price and Max Caulfield |
| I would embed the content of the reddit in your post and then sticky the topic, would save the board regulars a lot of explaining. |
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| If anyone has questions and answers that they would like to add, let me know and I'll add it to my opening post. |
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| Most common question people ask is probably "Where do I start?" |
CapsuleCoreOct 10, 2014 12:38 PM
CorePriest said: This.Most commen question people ask is probably "Where do I start?" Also loldark: i don't even know how you're supposed to evaluate/quantify it, nor how that even matters in the slightest. (if you ask me, I'd say Fate got incredibly "darker" near the end than anything you'd find in UBW. Then again, not that it matters) |
SapewlothOct 10, 2014 1:37 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
GangstaPriest said: CorePriest said: This.Most commen question people ask is probably "Where do I start?" And there is no clear 100% agreed upon answer. |
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tsudecimo said: Just like certain math problems: more than one right answer.GangstaPriest said: This. And there is no clear 100% agreed upon answer. Each case is different depending on the person's preferences also (if you can't stand visual novels, that can't really be helped, so you might as well just wait for UBW and the upcoming HF movie(s) to air, etc.) |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
GangstaPriest said: CorePriest said: This.Most commen question people ask is probably "Where do I start?" Also loldark: i don't even know how you're supposed to evaluate, nor how that even matters in the slightest. (if you ask me, I'd say Fate got incredibly "darker" near the end than anything you'd find in UBW. Then again, not that it matters) Fate overall is VERY dark, albeit not in gore way and more in a psychological thriller kind of a way. UBW does have more "dark" stuff than F/Z HF tops it in terms of gore stuff. THe thing is, each is dark in its own way. "dark" can't be defined by gallons of blood spilled or deaths that happened. |
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CorePriest said: Most commen question people ask is probably "Where do I start?" That's covered in the reddit page. I thought about copying and pasting everything, but I felt that the page looked easier on the eyes than if I had brought everything onto a single post. I might just have to copy everything over if people don't click on it. I'll edit the answer for the dark question. Yeah it doesn't matter too much, but it's a question I've seen being thrown around in other places. |
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CookingPriest said: "dark" can't be defined by gallons of blood spilled or deaths that happened. It's a shame everyone else does it anyway. There really does need to be a set difference between genuine darkness and grimderpness. |
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ZeroDragon said: CorePriest said: Most commen question people ask is probably "Where do I start?" That's covered in the reddit page. This makes me wonder if I didn't make it clear enough in the reddit post. |
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| I very much approve of this thread, Nice going Zerodragon. |
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| Good thread. I thought of doing something like this, but I was too lazy to do it. If we added a very brief summary of possible ways to get started, it would be great. Too many words tend to scare people. I have a suggestion below in case you're interested. By the way, I think it might be easier to read everything if the questions are in bold. Something like this could make the OP more appealing: (in case I wasn't clear, I'm not suggesting adding spoiler tags to the Q&A, but rather adding the "quote" itself) Where do I start? Choose one of these options to get into the series: Anime-only: UBW anime -> HF movies -> Fate/Zero. Intended: Fate route of the VN -> UBW anime -> HF movies -> Fate/Zero. Brave: Entire F/SN visual novel -> Fate/Zero -> UBW anime -> HF movies. ^ taken from http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/seriesfaq-fate |
FlamepriesTOct 10, 2014 9:08 PM
| Some spoiler and questions for VN players or anyone that has encyclopedic knowledge of F/SN lore :) [spoiler] Feel bad for Rin,the other masters summoned heroes from legends or myths while all she got is future Shirou :heh: 1. Does Sakura being Rin's sister revealed to the others characters in any of the routes? 2.Archer being future Shirou,did Rin or present Shirou realized this? 3.Is Shirous still as annoying in UBW as in Deen's Fate? 4.do we get less Shirou screen time and more Rin? 5.Anyone hopes that Fate Hollow Atraxia or Apocrypha gets an anime adaption next? 6.Anyone read the Melty Blood/F SN crossover doujinshi and hopes that T/M release their own crossover LN or manga that could get adapted into an anime in the future :) |
| mfw despite all of this, shirou is still annoying. dont roll around and tell people hes not annoying, because he is. ESPECIALLY compared to kiritsugu. |
darkreaperix said: Some spoiler and questions for VN players or anyone that has encyclopedic knowledge of F/SN lore :) [spoiler] Feel bad for Rin,the other masters summoned heroes from legends or myths while all she got is future Shirou :heh: 1. Does Sakura being Rin's sister revealed to the others characters in any of the routes? 2.Archer being future Shirou,did Rin or present Shirou realized this? 3.Is Shirous still as annoying in UBW as in Deen's Fate? 4.do we get less Shirou screen time and more Rin? 5.Anyone hopes that Fate Hollow Atraxia or Apocrypha gets an anime adaption next? 6.Anyone read the Melty Blood/F SN crossover doujinshi and hopes that T/M release their own crossover LN or manga that could get adapted into an anime in the future :) Actually, quite a few of those questions are relevant to this new adaptation so just have patience. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
SolviteSekai said: mfw despite all of this, shirou is still annoying. dont roll around and tell people hes not annoying, because he is. ESPECIALLY compared to kiritsugu. Shirou is love. |
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PriestJabon said: SolviteSekai said: mfw despite all of this, shirou is still annoying. dont roll around and tell people hes not annoying, because he is. ESPECIALLY compared to kiritsugu. Shirou is love. Shirou is life. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: Actually, quite a few of those questions are relevant to this new adaptation so just have patience. Ah the questions aren't related to the anime since I've already watched all the Fate anime's and read some VN plot synopsis and more to the lore of the series :) |
darkreaperix said: insan3priest said: Actually, quite a few of those questions are relevant to this new adaptation so just have patience. Ah the questions aren't related to the anime since I've already watched all the Fate anime's and read some VN plot synopsis and more to the lore of the series :) It's kind of impossible to fully watch a series that just started airing a week ago, though. Oh, and some of the other questions are relevant to the upcoming Heaven's Feel film(s). |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
SolviteSekai said: mfw despite all of this, shirou is still annoying. dont roll around and tell people hes not annoying, because he is. ESPECIALLY compared to kiritsugu. My answer is saying that DEEN messed up Shirou's character and that he's not annoying in the same manner as DEEN's adaptation portrayed him to be. His personality is debatable depending on people's tastes, but I'm just stressing open mindedness (as in give the show time to progress through the plot and characterization before judging) by saying that the Shirou that we expect to see here will be different than his previous anime portrayals. It's up to the individual viewer to decide either way. |
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SolviteSekai said: mfw despite all of this, shirou is still annoying. dont roll around and tell people hes not annoying, because he is. ESPECIALLY compared to kiritsugu. It's funny how opinions differ on this. I was constantly annoyed by Kiritsugu's behavior. darkreaperix said: Some spoiler and questions for VN players or anyone that has encyclopedic knowledge of F/SN lore :) 1-4 are eventually answered. 5. Well, I hope hollow ataraxia and Apocrypha eventually get an adaptation, yes. 6. I have read the MB/FSN crossover doujinshi, but I'm not hoping to get an official one. Excluding a fanservice gag show like Carnival Phantasm, I don't see any reason to adapt an anime or even make a crossover in the first place, when people are demanding the Tsukihime remake and possibly later its anime adaptation (because it never got a proper one). |
CapsuleCoreOct 11, 2014 12:17 AM
| Anime-only: UBW anime -> HF movies -> Fate/Zero. According this way, we don't need to watch fate/stay night, right? |
alter00 said: Correct.According this way, we don't need to watch fate/stay night, right? |
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| Thanks, actually I'm too lazy to watch FSN. |
| Again, I think "forbidding" people to watch F/Z for 2-3 years until all HF movies are available subbed is a bit overexaggerating, escpacially since not all are so hard-core anime fans. I do agree with watching UBW before F/Z though, because it is airing already, so there is no problem (aside from the 3 month cour break) |
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Grey-Zone said: Again, I think "forbidding" people to watch F/Z for 2-3 years until all HF movies are available subbed is a bit overexaggerating, escpacially since not all are so hard-core anime fans. I do agree with watching UBW before F/Z though, because it is airing already, so there is no problem (aside from the 3 month cour break) No one's forbidding someone anything. People can do whatever they like. We heard you already, but these are recommendations and people may choose to watch FZ if they like because as stated in the OP already, no one knows whenever HF is finished. |
CorePriest said: No one's forbidding someone anything. We heard you already, these are recommendations and people may choose to watch FZ if they like because as stated in the OP already, no one knows whenever HF is finished. How big was the time-gap between the KnK movies? |
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| With the exception of Mirai Fukuin, a few months between each, a few weeks only for some. |
| Without a legitimate fate route adaptation the whole "Experience" we try to get anime-only fellaz to enjoy is kinda out of reach. The 3 Routes need each other like peanut butter and jelly.. and bread. It was the 3 routes in sequence that gave us our Epic. |
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Grey-Zone said: Again, I think "forbidding" people to watch F/Z for 2-3 years until all HF movies are available subbed is a bit overexaggerating, escpacially since not all are so hard-core anime fans. I do agree with watching UBW before F/Z though, because it is airing already, so there is no problem (aside from the 3 month cour break) They could read the VN if they can't wait after the UBW anime and just skip the UBW route. But if they still want to watch Fate/Zero, as long as they know they're spoiling themselves for HF and that they won't understand or miss the true meaning of some scenes, that's fine too. It's better they know what they're getting into and not regret it. Also there's no confirmed release date for HF so it could be earlier. |
RedShadowwOct 11, 2014 8:36 AM
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| Skipping UBW and reading HF will be a bit awkward for the reader, though. It's designed as a follow up, after all. |
InsertPriestHere said: Skipping UBW and reading HF will be a bit awkward for the reader, though. It's designed as a follow up, after all. It will literally elicit "what's the big fuss? -___-" reaction from viewer without UBW. |
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InsertPriestHere said: Skipping UBW and reading HF will be a bit awkward for the reader, though. It's designed as a follow up, after all. Yeah, i would highly discourage skipping any route. I didn't even know you could skip routes. |
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WrongPriest said: InsertPriestHere said: Skipping UBW and reading HF will be a bit awkward for the reader, though. It's designed as a follow up, after all. Yeah, i would highly discourage skipping any route. I didn't even know you could skip routes. Nowadays you can because PC Realta Nua 2012 was made of three separate games. I believe the latest patch BL is working on right now will lock the routes again. |
WrongPriest said: InsertPriestHere said: Skipping UBW and reading HF will be a bit awkward for the reader, though. It's designed as a follow up, after all. Yeah, i would highly discourage skipping any route. I didn't even know you could skip routes. In the latest version, all of the routes are separated into their own games so it's possible. |
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| Guys the second episode comes out in X minutes.... SECOND. We may be a bit ahead of ourselves using it to replace anything. |
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WrongPriest said: InsertPriestHere said: Skipping UBW and reading HF will be a bit awkward for the reader, though. It's designed as a follow up, after all. Yeah, i would highly discourage skipping any route. I didn't even know you could skip routes. I think in the Realta Nua Version your choices decide the route you head down rather than having to unlock them. Not sure though, have not (sadly) played it myself yet. RedShadoww said: I mean't after watching the UBW anime. Which is a more reasonable option. |
WrongPriest said: Guys the second episode comes out in X minutes.... SECOND. We may be a bit ahead of ourselves using it to replace anything. DOn't worry. Its faithful so far. They rearranged some stuff from source, but its mostly intact. Keeping the count of senpai so far. |
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CorePriest said: WrongPriest said: Yeah, i would highly discourage skipping any route. I didn't even know you could skip routes. Nowadays you can because PC Realta Nua 2012 was made of three separate games. I believe the latest patch BL is working on right now will lock the routes again. That actually annoys me a whole lot. Jimmies confirmed rustled |
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CookingPriest said: WrongPriest said: Guys the second episode comes out in X minutes.... SECOND. We may be a bit ahead of ourselves using it to replace anything. DOn't worry. Its faithful so far. They rearranged some stuff from source, but its mostly intact. Keeping the count of senpai so far. This is neither "Mahouka", nor "Onii-sama" though. |
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| There are two types of people in the world, Book readers and people who don't care for it. Reading a VN came naturally to me because i loved reading books. Is that it? what about you guys? I know we can't get everyone to just go and read the VN solving all their (And our) problems, but i still think ima make that #1 option. |
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Grey-Zone said: CookingPriest said: DOn't worry. Its faithful so far. They rearranged some stuff from source, but its mostly intact. Keeping the count of senpai so far. This is neither "Mahouka", nor "Onii-sama" though. Just wait and count. And prepare for 100x that amount in the movie. |
| And they ruined the lancer encounter -____- THiswill have same problems as DEENFSN. |
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CookingPriest said: You're watching it? What was ruined exactly?And they ruined the lancer encounter -____- THiswill have same problems as DEENFSN. |
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