| Each episode seems disconnected to a degree from another and it doesn't feel very relevant to the overarching plot, which episode does it come together? |
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Mikasa said: Each episode seems disconnected to a degree from another and it doesn't feel very relevant to the overarching plot, which episode does it come together? You should get used to it because it follows the same episodic formula till the later Parts. But anyway, when they will reach Egypt (so as soon as the new cour begins) it will feel less episodic, that's for sure. |
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| This is basically how it is for the entire series. Stand user shows up, gets defeated, another one shows up etc. All the while they get closer to Egypt where they will fight Dio. |
| Awww Which episode exactly is the new cour? |
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| Well, episode 26...or episode 1 of the next season depending on how they will call it. |
| All parts of JJBA are episode battle series, from here on out especially. The first two parts are the least episodic, but even then it's ultimately the same thing when you look at it twice. I wouldn't let this deter you though, it's genuinely great regardless and the format shouldn't have anything to do with that. |
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Imperial_Thunder said: What's so bad about episodic? It gets boring and repetitive? Some people like to be invested on an overarching story. I don't have that problem with Jojo, I'm just answering your question in general. |
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tsudecimo said: Imperial_Thunder said: What's so bad about episodic? It gets boring and repetitive? Only if it's not done well. Something with an overarching story can just as easily become boring and repetitive. Jojo is anything and everything but boring or repetitive despite being episodic. |
Kellhus said: tsudecimo said: It gets boring and repetitive? Only if it's not done well. Something with an overarching story can just as easily become boring and repetitive. Jojo is anything and everything but boring or repetitive despite being episodic. Well I'm not a fan of episodic narrative, so I'm biased when it comes to it. But I don't think Jojo did anything different with it, that makes me feel, that episodic can be an entertaining style of narrative. But you are right, about overarching stories having the possibility of being boring and repetitive, but they are less likely to be so, than episodic and have a bigger chance of keeping the viewer's/reader's attention and interest imo. |
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| Episodic isn't inherently bad. The problem with it here is that it's actually just executed really unintelligently. It doesn't make any of the characters more interesting, never introduces anything that you feel is worth really remembering, and of course, it's repetitive here. Good episodic series are usually comedies, where the non-committal focus on any particular subject opens clear opportunities to expand the depth of the series via humor. Young children's series which have a more moralistic emphasis also can make good episodic series even if they have an established plot focus. JoJo of course isn't seriously a comedy or a moralistic children's show, but rather an action series with an established focus (defeating Dio). The episodic feel of Stand introductions in this way I find highly discordant. The primary thing that redeems JoJo part 3 is decent visuals, voice acting, and ESPECIALLY a great soundtrack. Good soundtracks can make otherwise horrible action stories enjoyable. |
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| I think it's inherently bad if the show sets itseld to have a story then pulls a "bait n switch" into episodic subplots. Mushishi is an example of a good episodic anime. Because each episode is a whole story in and by itself. JoJo can't hold up, each episode doesn't have the scale or ambition, or storytelling to be standalone, so being episodic feels like a chopped up, aimless arcade-like storyline. |
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| It happens sometimes. People placing weird expectations on things of marvelous silliness, like Jojo. |
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| This isn't episodic as every episode is tied to a continous plot. It is 'monster-of-the-week' as someone else has said. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| I too don't understand how JoJo can be this popular It's that sort of story you know main characters not gonna get hurt and eventually all will work out for them. Your typical shoune plot. I'm not saying I didn't like it, but I understand people saying it's getting repetitive leaving you with a cloudy impression sometimes. |
0Seru0 said: It's that sort of story you know main characters not gonna get hurt and eventually all will work out for them. Jojo is famous for being exactly the opposite of this. Araki isn't afraid to let characters die. Did you not watch Part 1 or 2? O_o |
| I prefer to live in the moment with this series. My only questions is "is this fight at all interesting?" Leave plot to the more plot heavy arcs like 6 and 7 |
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0Seru0 said: It's that sort of story you know main characters not gonna get hurt and eventually all will work out for them. Wow, for a minute, I thought I read something really stupid. Good thing I'm blind now so I can't check again. |
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PriestJabon said: 0Seru0 said: It's that sort of story you know main characters not gonna get hurt and eventually all will work out for them. Wow, for a minute, I thought I read something really stupid. Good thing I'm blind now so I can't check again. lol |
RedRoseFring said: This isn't episodic as every episode is tied to a continous plot. It is 'monster-of-the-week' as someone else has said. Pretty much this. I started it a few days ago and I am watching 2-3 episodes a day and I for one don't mind the monster-of-the-week format. Bringing Mushishi in the discussion is completely unwarranted, just because they can be both considered episodic!?... Anyway Jojo focuses on the battles as the group gets closer and closer to Dio. They try do deliver creative fights each episode and so far, from what I've seen (ep 11) they succeed imo. Definitely not a format for everyone but I for one enjoy this anime for what it is. |
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| A number of the Stand battles are really just meant to pad out Part 3. There was an OVA that did an adaptation of Stardust Crusaders in 1990 or so that cut out just about every Stand fight aside from about eight or nine and the series still made sense. |
PriestJabon said: 0Seru0 said: It's that sort of story you know main characters not gonna get hurt and eventually all will work out for them. Wow, for a minute, I thought I read something really stupid. Good thing I'm blind now so I can't check again. Everyone who watched the anime would get that impression. knucklehead manga readers who know what will happen and go around boasting about it are just trolling. |
0Seru0 said: Everyone who watched the anime would get that impression. Not really, Jojo is one of the most violent and unforgiving shounen series ever. If you watched the previous anime series, you should know that, and that has no bearing on whether or not you've read the manga. If you watch the second half of Stardust Crusaders you will find your comment here to be very ridiculous to say the least. |
0Seru0 said: PriestJabon said: Wow, for a minute, I thought I read something really stupid. Good thing I'm blind now so I can't check again. Everyone who watched the anime would get that impression. knucklehead manga readers who know what will happen and go around boasting about it are just trolling. No one who watched the first season would get that impression. |
Kellhus said: 0Seru0 said: Everyone who watched the anime would get that impression. Not really, Jojo is one of the most violent and unforgiving shounen series ever. If you watched the previous anime series, you should know that, and that has no bearing on whether or not you've read the manga. If you watch the second half of Stardust Crusaders you will find your comment here to be very ridiculous to say the least. Violent how lol? Aside from Caesar. |
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Mikasa said: Kellhus said: Not really, Jojo is one of the most violent and unforgiving shounen series ever. If you watched the previous anime series, you should know that, and that has no bearing on whether or not you've read the manga. If you watch the second half of Stardust Crusaders you will find your comment here to be very ridiculous to say the least. Violent how lol? Aside from Caesar. The second half of Stardust Crusaders shall answer this question. Heck, the second half of almost ANY Jojo part answers this question pretty well. |
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| this show isnt episodic. it has an over arching plot. edit: apparently unless you have fight scenes that last 15 episodes like shit long running shows do ur episodic now. |
| All episodic shows have "an overarching plot" Friends has Ross x Rachel overall plot HIMYM had Ted x whoever Detective Conan has the whole midget thing. Doesn't make the show less episodic. Each episode is still its own climax, doesn't contribute much to the build up. It's the interconnectivity of segments not the overarching plot that determines what's episodic. |
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sjack said: sd Mikasa said: Violent how lol? Aside from Caesar. Um, Jonathan's death-you know the protagonist to the first part? Or maybe Zepelli? Man I can't wait when we get to the end of SC and eventually Stone Ocean to see how stupidly wrong some of these posts are. sjack said: Doesn't count.sd Mikasa said: Violent how lol? Aside from Caesar. Um, Jonathan's death-you know the protagonist to the first part? Or maybe Zepelli? Man I can't wait when we get to the end of SC and eventually Stone Ocean to see how stupidly wrong some of these posts are. Main character dying at the end of the story. Nothing too violent about it. It was pretty cliche actually. |
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Mikasa said: sjack said: sd Um, Jonathan's death-you know the protagonist to the first part? Or maybe Zepelli? Man I can't wait when we get to the end of SC and eventually Stone Ocean to see how stupidly wrong some of these posts are. sjack said: Doesn't count.sd Um, Jonathan's death-you know the protagonist to the first part? Or maybe Zepelli? Man I can't wait when we get to the end of SC and eventually Stone Ocean to see how stupidly wrong some of these posts are. Main character dying at the end of the story. Nothing too violent about it. It was pretty cliche actually. 1. It's not cliche in shonen. 2. He got stabbed in the neck by a giant tentacle. That's pretty violent. 3. MANY, MANY people die in Jojo's. 4. His comment was trying to say that no one is safe in Jojo's. |
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| No one is safe in Jojo's, but c'mon guys. Some random fodder isn't going to kill anyone. Horifically maim and injure yes, but most of those injuries are brushed off quickly. |
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gedata said: No one is safe in Jojo's, but c'mon guys. Some random fodder isn't going to kill anyone. Horifically maim and injure yes, but most of those injuries are brushed off quickly. Haha! True. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: Mikasa said: Doesn't count. Main character dying at the end of the story. Nothing too violent about it. It was pretty cliche actually. 1. It's not cliche in shonen. 2. He got stabbed in the neck by a giant tentacle. That's pretty violent. 3. MANY, MANY people die in Jojo's. 4. His comment was trying to say that no one is safe in Jojo's. 1. Cliches aren't measured by medium. An idea is an idea. and a cliche is a cliche. 2. No one is safe, yeah, giving a half episode long speech after being split in half isn't what I call a grim death. Damn death is so polite in JoJo. |
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sjack said: Mikasa said: 2. No one is safe, yeah, giving a half episode long speech after being split in half isn't what I call a grim death. Damn death is so polite in JoJo. What the fuck is even your point here? He still died. The fact that it took forever is completely irrelevant. ^This. |
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sjack said: Mikasa said: 2. No one is safe, yeah, giving a half episode long speech after being split in half isn't what I call a grim death. Damn death is so polite in JoJo. What the fuck is even your point here? He still died. The fact that it took forever is completely irrelevant. Well it's sad I have to spoon feed it, but there it is: dying is supposed to sad, and sometimes abrupt, it's final, but leaves a void in the character's place. If the character gets to spend his entire dying moment solving everything, giving speeches, spreading awareness, and curing cancer, then that's hardly any impact of death. Every story, no matter how tame, we still know for a fact every character's grandfather and every other human before had died. (you know, of old age and stuff). Death alone is nothing. It's the impact it leaves. When the impact is: Get the fuck out of here already, it's not really something to be taken seriously. |
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Mikasa said: sjack said: What the fuck is even your point here? He still died. The fact that it took forever is completely irrelevant. Well it's sad I have to spoon feed it, but there it is: dying is supposed to sad, and sometimes abrupt, it's final, but leaves a void in the character's place. If the character gets to spend his entire dying moment solving everything, giving speeches, spreading awareness, and curing cancer, then that's hardly any impact of death. Every story, no matter how tame, we still know for a fact every character's grandfather and every other human before had died. (you know, of old age and stuff). Death alone is nothing. It's the impact it leaves. When the impact is: Get the fuck out of here already, it's not really something to be taken seriously. Um............ A lot of different shows/books have long monologues talking about a character that has just died......... It really doesn't change that much of the impact....... Also, it doesn't matter if the impact that it had was minimal. He still died. His death was still pretty dang gruesome. It still wasn't something that happens in your average, everyday shonen. |
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Mikasa said: If the character gets to spend his entire dying moment solving everything, giving speeches, spreading awareness, and curing cancer, then that's hardly any impact of death. I feel like you're saying something silly like implying that happened in JoJo. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: Mikasa said: Well it's sad I have to spoon feed it, but there it is: dying is supposed to sad, and sometimes abrupt, it's final, but leaves a void in the character's place. If the character gets to spend his entire dying moment solving everything, giving speeches, spreading awareness, and curing cancer, then that's hardly any impact of death. Every story, no matter how tame, we still know for a fact every character's grandfather and every other human before had died. (you know, of old age and stuff). Death alone is nothing. It's the impact it leaves. When the impact is: Get the fuck out of here already, it's not really something to be taken seriously. Um............ A lot of different shows/books have long monologues talking about a character that has just died......... It really doesn't change that much of the impact....... Also, it doesn't matter if the impact that it had was minimal. He still died. His death was still pretty dang gruesome. It still wasn't something that happens in your average, everyday shonen. No, there is no show that has a character split in half talking for ten minutes and giving off speeches left and right. And if there are any, then it just means they too went full retard. "he still died" that makes no sense. Everyone dies. Dying in itself isn't what's impactful. I already explained why in my previous post. And yes, it happens in your typical everyday shonen. This is actually very tame compared to other shonen. Add to that the lack of "finality" of death and them speaking cartoonishly for hours after "dying" and this becomes crap. This is as gruesome as Trafalgar Law splitting people with his devil fruit. |
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| I never really get how anyone can say ANYONE CAN DIE in Jojo based off the 1st couple of arcs. All the deaths that weren't telegraphed happen after arc 2, asides from maybe Jonathan's? Idk I already knew he was going to die since arc 3 was the 1st one I read. |
gedataNov 29, 2014 1:19 PM
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| Look kid, I already explained this twice, no one is cherry picking, spending half an episode of not dying takes away what death is. And LOL@ using Naruto as a rebuttal. Congratulations, your show is that gruesome. sjack said: Yes, way to use examples to prove your point :/ Toriko, SnK, Akame Ga Kill are all more gory than JoJo. |
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Mikasa said: Look kid, I already explained this twice, no one is cherry picking, spending half an episode of not dying takes away what death is. And LOL@ using Naruto as a rebuttal. Congratulations, your show is that gruesome. sjack said: Yes, way to use examples to prove your point :/ Toriko, SnK, Akame Ga Kill are all more gory than JoJo. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!! Good one. Oh.......... Wait......... You were being serious.......... Yeah, because Attack on Titan is WAYYYY more gory than Jojo's, which features a man cutting sliced in half. Getting your jaw unhinged via brutal violence? Pffftt. Get that weak crap out of here, Jojo's. Akame ga Kill is clearly WAY more gory than you'll ever be. /all of my sarcasm. |
Dragonage2ftwDec 10, 2014 8:38 AM
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Dragonage2ftw said: Kill la Kill is clearly WAY more gory than you'll ever be. As much as I totally agree with you, he didn't say Kill la Kill. He said Akame ga Kill, which, to be fair, is pretty violent and gory. Not as much as Jojo though. |
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