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Sep 12, 2014 7:00 PM
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two more seconds and lisa would have died, twelve why didnt you let her die you have become such a soft cock.

I enjoyed the "what idiots ends a party before midnight" line with the bomb set to explode when the ferris wheel carrigie was at 12 o clock.

Hamura was a tad annoying, just let guy finish talking and then cry about how he isnt human
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Sep 12, 2014 7:35 PM
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I loved it!
SOOO much stuff really felt super short.
I liked lisa before but recently im super annoyed with her actions -.-
It was nice to know more about the past, but with only 2 more eps left i feel like theres going to be alot of holes left. :(
Its pretty obvious twelve likes lisa, but she doesnt seem to reciprocate it at all. I mean she cares for him but she doesnt love him like that. She always refers to him with nine and idk it makes me angry!!
 
Sep 12, 2014 8:16 PM
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Orulyon said:
And im my POV she is strong in her own way, yes. Weak...useless... does that mean that in this world, the "weak" do not deserve any credit?


I didn't say that. It's just she doesn't have any redeeming quality as a character (since I see her as someone useless and all). Not that she doesn't deserve any credit or love. How should I put this, Nine doesn't deserve betrayal so just Lisa can survive. It's not fair for him that Twelve has to ruin their friendship for years because of he "loves" Lisa for no reason. There must be a reason otherwise it'd look shallow and I don't buy 'because he loves for the way she is'. Come on, he doesn't know Lisa for long to know her better, her strong points, etc, enough to make him choose Lisa over Nine.

I never said that Lisa should be a perfect person to be considered useful. Her actions so far only brought trouble to the duo. Okay, she can't be a badass, I'm alright with that. Okay, she failed at cooking, that's fine, she's tried. Okay she got caught by Five, making the duo came all the way to save her in the airport, nothing she could've done about that. At least she could do something for them, don't you think? The least thing she could do for them is keeping her mouth shut when Five interrogate her. So just you know, I didn't dislike her until that scene, that was when I gave up on her and started to blame her.

Anywaaaay, when it comes to heroine, I always hope that she can do something, not necessarily has to brave and strong to fight along side the protagonist, but support the protagonist in a way that she can. If the protagonist has to take a detour to save the helpless heroine every single time, when will the protagonist achieve his goal?

Its true, 9 and 12 did not kill anyone...but they would not hesitate if they had to...and dont tell me otherwise.

Really?

9 never wanted Lisa with them...but 9 did not want her close because he did not want to involve her, not because he disliked her.

I know, that's what I said before.

People call Lisa cliché but look at her closely: she is definitely not.

This is where we disagree again, I guess. For me it looks like she's a plot device. She, so far, has no development whatsoever. I usually don't mind the lack of development in a character, but when someone (especially woman) is blatantly used just to make a cheap conflict like this, it irritates me. What happened in episode 9 is what I fear since the first time Lisa appeared, actually =)

But at least you should acknowledge that their relationship is strong enough for both to give their life for one another...

Can't do that even if I try.
 
Sep 12, 2014 9:11 PM

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Wow what great episode, the story about the past of Nine, Twelve and Five was explained, while this a game of life, death and betrayal was developed, damn Five and mountings therefor, but Twelve was a bastard who betrayed all the work with Nine for several years
Nine is now alone and with the pump, what will he do?
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Sep 12, 2014 9:17 PM

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Oh shit, that ferris wheel scene was so good, with that intense OST and amazing directing. Makes me wish we get more stylish shows like this in all the genres (I'd like to see a serious romance anime with this budget and style)

I'm gonna miss this show when it ends.

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Sep 12, 2014 9:54 PM
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Mesmerizing episode, can't believe it passed by so fast! It was done at a nice pace, with awesome directing. Great episode. Kind of sad to see this anime ending in two episodes.
 
Sep 12, 2014 10:19 PM
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I'm actually glad Twelve chose Lisa...Nine kind of annoys me with his emo attitude. :/
 
Sep 12, 2014 10:22 PM
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Great episode, learning more and more about Nine and Twelve's past, that's always good. I agree, Twelve revealing the location of the bomb to Five was pretty predictable, but it was better than the alternative (an earth-shattering kaboom). And that whole scene in the Ferris wheel was amazing nonetheless. Now I really want to know what's going on with Five and Nine and the damn bomb and why she keeps looking like she's having a breakdown and shit.
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Sep 12, 2014 10:28 PM

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I think what is more predictable is Twelve disarming all the bombs, rejecting Five's offer, running away with Lisa by jumping and escape safely. That will be so shounen and badass.

I found it very interesting to see how viewers is divided because of Lisa. Some said she is useless (worthless?) and some say "give her a break she is human, she makes mistakes etc." And IMO Lisa is a very realistic example of insecure girl in our world, I do hope you won't say those girls/humans are useless as well.
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Sep 12, 2014 10:36 PM

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I do understand why Twelve betrayed Nine though. Good thing Nine was on time to take the 'bomb' away. Five looks like she has some more drugs on her. She's pretty desperate to capture at least Nine. I wonder what is she trying to prove? I hope Nine would understand Twelve when they meet. Lisa again being the center of trouble. Shibazaki now know about the Athena project. Pretty soon, he'll discover that it's Sphinx.
 
Sep 12, 2014 11:02 PM

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this created a huge plothole



No, no, no. They said that they ESCAPED 8 years ago. That doesn't mean they were abducted 8 years ago. We don't know how long they were at The Settlement before they escaped.
 
Sep 12, 2014 11:11 PM

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That traitor son of a bitch...
 
Sep 12, 2014 11:16 PM

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That was a tense episode.
And I learned a bit about basic C4 bomb disarming. As long as I have an Xacto knife and wire cutters.




 
Sep 13, 2014 12:06 AM

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I'm just about to watch this episode, and so I updated my list and it reads 'episode 9 of 11.' This episode aired on 9/11; not to mention the numbers assigned to Sphinx are 9 and 12. In tokyo it was 9/12 during the collapse of the twin towers.

Great finesse with the execution of this series. I can't read this thread until I finish the episode but I'll check back later. Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
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Sep 13, 2014 12:17 AM

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The bomb disarming/ferris wheel scene was lovely. The atmosphere, use of the OST, direction, etc. Just a beautifully directed scene, even if it was somewhat predictable. It could have been much weightier than it was if we had more of a reason to care about these characters and more of a complex dynamic between them, but, anyway, I still appreciated the scene.

The big reveal of the characters' past was like…whoop de doo, no big surprise, though. Why keep that hidden the whole show? I don’t get it, it was easy enough to piece together as it was. And Hamura’s response was so, so cliché. Feels like the show is trying to be like Monster, but it’s pretty hard to compete with Monster, especially in 11 episodes…

It’s so frustrating that the show’s writing and characters have been so lackluster, because the show sure has its moments. There’s the occasional very evocative and well-executed scene. It just doesn’t thread them together in an entirely coherent way. The series composition has seemed off to me pretty much from the beginning. The show is excellent from a technical standpoint, but the writing and characters have been mishandled IMHO.
 
Sep 13, 2014 12:18 AM

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lisa is insert number(other then 5,9,12)?



After "recognising" young lisa, I tried google.

http://zankyou-no-terror.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Mishima

Possible spoiler
 
Sep 13, 2014 12:55 AM

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So much feels in this episode. I really, really love this anime.
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Sep 13, 2014 1:51 AM

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lisa is insert number(other then 5,9,12)?



After "recognising" young lisa, I tried google.

http://zankyou-no-terror.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Mishima

Possible spoiler



I KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW IT
it was Lisa by all means I can't even consider this person as nine , plus children with Savant syndrome are socially awkward ( the bullying and how little she interacts with everyone and how she can't express herself properly at the beginning ) and they are also known for excelling in some fields while totally sucking in other normal ones ( hence the freakin pocky in curry ) I just knew an anime this intelligent and well thought-of won't just add a random character just for the fandom and shipping.
 
Sep 13, 2014 3:38 AM

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Just as i was getting really into the story :( cant wait for next episode
 
Sep 13, 2014 5:07 AM
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I KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW IT
it was Lisa by all means I can't even consider this person as nine , plus children with Savant syndrome are socially awkward ( the bullying and how little she interacts with everyone and how she can't express herself properly at the beginning ) and they are also known for excelling in some fields while totally sucking in other normal ones ( hence the freakin pocky in curry ) I just knew an anime this intelligent and well thought-of won't just add a random character just for the fandom and shipping.


That explanation seems very unlikely, too many things will be left unexplained such as

How did Lisa get into the program when she was not an orphan?
How did she escape from the facility?
Why was there no mention of her by the government guy?
Why doesn't she possess any memories of the event?
Why doesn't five, nine or twelve recognize her?

A more likely explanation is that they just put someone like her in the flash backs to explain 12's attachment.
 
Sep 13, 2014 5:24 AM
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THE MUSIC WAS PURE MAGIC. It made the ferris wheel scene. The tension, the play of lights, the fear and the emotional fizzle between the characters all melded into perfection.

But. that. freaking. music. It was beautiful.

When it comes down to it, Lisa has quiet strength. She's timid and she likely wouldn't stand up for HERSELF, but I don't doubt that she'll stand up for her friends and whoever's dear to her.
 
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I really liked how they put this episode together. Seeing 12 disarming Lisa's bombs in a heartfelt caring scene was really nice. Really shows the strength of anime when done right.
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Sep 13, 2014 8:37 AM

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Maybe some people has noticed but I think the pic quality is slightly dropped? I rewatched ZnT and as episodes going on it loses its realistic style bit by bit.
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Sep 13, 2014 9:04 AM
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I hope Nine won't forgive Twelve , it will make this anime more exciting if it happens.
 
Sep 13, 2014 10:32 AM

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I COULD TELL IT Was a confession but like the romance is this- I FEEL LIKE THEY JUST PUT IT IN RANDOMLY-AND Like everything's going too quickly like glasslip but it was a good episode-But still not satisfied-WHY'S MY EXPECTATION SO HIGH?! /sobs in corner I think I shall re-watch this-I couldnt feel the emotions but this is an interesting anime-something that's new and never came across before-GREAT EPISODE-AND I was actually speehless when 12 betrayed 9 but I really hope 9 will escape and then etc. Cant wait for next episode x)

and also whenever i see them in the facility I SEE LISA AND NOT 9 like "IS THAT LISA" Or am i imaging things like what-
so I also searched up Lisa and 三(meaning 3) was inserted in her name like 9 known as 九重 新 (Kokonoe Shin) AND THERE'S 9 INSERTED IN IT SAME AS 12 I THINK but only "2" is inserted in his name but like dsjkLFjklk-from the very begining I actually noticed lisa in the facility together with 12 and 5 but i couldn't find 9 so I assumed that girly like face was 9-but I BET ITS lisa-Okay forgetit-
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Sep 13, 2014 11:16 AM
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This anime is so beatiful and entertaining.

Anime of the season,best series made in past 2 years IMO.
 
Sep 13, 2014 11:17 AM
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so beatiful !
 
Sep 13, 2014 11:19 AM

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good episode for once.

actually really liked it
 
Sep 13, 2014 11:22 AM

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THE MUSIC WAS PURE MAGIC. It made the ferris wheel scene. The tension, the play of lights, the fear and the emotional fizzle between the characters all melded into perfection.

But. that. freaking. music. It was beautiful.

When it comes down to it, Lisa has quiet strength. She's timid and she likely wouldn't stand up for HERSELF, but I don't doubt that she'll stand up for her friends and whoever's dear to her.

Fully agreed.

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Sep 13, 2014 12:28 PM

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Not buying the theory that Lisa was in the facility. I wouldn't be surprised if she was but she is nothing like a savant.

Ah and the reason for Nine's ears ringing and flashbacks, besides PTSD, means he might be sick real soon. Five is definitely crashing.
 
Sep 13, 2014 12:32 PM
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BishoooDuck said:

I KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW IT
it was Lisa by all means I can't even consider this person as nine , plus children with Savant syndrome are socially awkward ( the bullying and how little she interacts with everyone and how she can't express herself properly at the beginning ) and they are also known for excelling in some fields while totally sucking in other normal ones ( hence the freakin pocky in curry ) I just knew an anime this intelligent and well thought-of won't just add a random character just for the fandom and shipping.


That explanation seems very unlikely, too many things will be left unexplained such as

How did Lisa get into the program when she was not an orphan?
How did she escape from the facility?
Why was there no mention of her by the government guy?
Why doesn't she possess any memories of the event?
Why doesn't five, nine or twelve recognize her?

A more likely explanation is that they just put someone like her in the flash backs to explain 12's attachment.


I think there are good answers to your questions and that Lisa was really "three"!!
I mean if her father is this man who did suicide or was murdered than he had the possibility to cover up that somehow he rescued his child Lisa and made it look like she died with others.
Perhaps she was traumatized? Many people remember special things years later.
I think Twelve recognized her with her sound, and Nine with her eyes. So they can know but they also seem to believe that they are besides Five the only one living.

I therefore really think that person is Lisa!!!!!! And that she is his daughter.
And perhaps she survived but the experiments had another effect on her?

And really can it be a coincidence that the person does not even little bit look like Nine? I think Nine's face is not as round as that. I do not believe that something like this is just mistake.
 
Sep 13, 2014 12:39 PM
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Chiyousagi said:
lisa is insert number(other then 5,9,12)?



After "recognising" young lisa, I tried google.

http://zankyou-no-terror.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Mishima

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really good! Yes she was also sphinx number three!

And yes I think really that is Lisa.

Perhaps if we put the numbers together:

9/12/3 or more like 9/12/2003 or something like that can refer to something??
 
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They even said in the episode that only 1 survived and 2 escaped. Unless she somehow faked her death or escape using some sort of Deus ex Machina powers I don't think she'd be one of the children in the plan.
 
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They even said in the episode that only 1 survived and 2 escaped. Unless she somehow faked her death or escape using some sort of Deus ex Machina powers I don't think she'd be one of the children in the plan.


But Lisa as the son of the man who made the whole project!!! that is reason enough to show that it would be possible for him to save his own child.
 
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What I thought about:

This should be the episode of our character Nine or not????? This was episode Nine for Nine!!

In this episode he learned of twelve's second betrayal to him... and could hopefully flee?

I just do not really understand how Nine was not really the main focus in his own episode? Or was he just with a special topic or somehow???

Twelve survived episode Nine meaning their friendship nevertheless want each other to live together?

Anyone thoughts about meaning of episode Nine regarding to our character Nine??
 
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Syrosu said:
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They even said in the episode that only 1 survived and 2 escaped. Unless she somehow faked her death or escape using some sort of Deus ex Machina powers I don't think she'd be one of the children in the plan.


But Lisa as the son of the man who made the whole project!!! that is reason enough to show that it would be possible for him to save his own child.
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They only picked orphans as part of the plan, and do you really think that anyone would put their own daughter into a institute where they were given numbers for names?
 
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Syrosu said:
NikeSawakoKobato said:


But Lisa as the son of the man who made the whole project!!! that is reason enough to show that it would be possible for him to save his own child.
[/spoiler]

They only picked orphans as part of the plan, and do you really think that anyone would put their own daughter into a institute where they were given numbers for names?


yes the orphan-thing, there you are right
but someone who can lead this horrible "athena project" , could probably do something like this to his own child or not?
and I mean officially they only picked orphans..I mean inofficially someone leading the project (was not he?) could do anything or not?
 
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OMG!!! the bomb in locker D12?!!

D12 like in a chess game??? Anyone knows what that could mean??
 
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NikeSawakoKobato said:

9/12/3 or more like 9/12/2003 or something like that can refer to something??

9/12/2003 according to the European date format is 9th December 2003, the day of the 2003 Red Square Bombing in Moscow, in which a female suicide bomber set off an explosive belt....
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Sep 13, 2014 1:53 PM
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OMG!!! the bomb in locker D12?!!

D12 like in a chess game??? Anyone knows what that could mean??


Al I can find is D12 and the chess opening of the Queen's Gambit, foreshadowing from episode four?
 
Sep 13, 2014 1:57 PM
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Chiyousagi said:
lisa is insert number(other then 5,9,12)?



After "recognising" young lisa, I tried google.

http://zankyou-no-terror.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Mishima

Possible spoiler



I KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW IT
it was Lisa by all means I can't even consider this person as nine , plus children with Savant syndrome are socially awkward ( the bullying and how little she interacts with everyone and how she can't express herself properly at the beginning ) and they are also known for excelling in some fields while totally sucking in other normal ones ( hence the freakin pocky in curry ) I just knew an anime this intelligent and well thought-of won't just add a random character just for the fandom and shipping.


Pretty sure that's Nine in the picture. What made you not consider that kid as Nine?
 
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BishoooDuck said:



I KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW IT
it was Lisa by all means I can't even consider this person as nine , plus children with Savant syndrome are socially awkward ( the bullying and how little she interacts with everyone and how she can't express herself properly at the beginning ) and they are also known for excelling in some fields while totally sucking in other normal ones ( hence the freakin pocky in curry ) I just knew an anime this intelligent and well thought-of won't just add a random character just for the fandom and shipping.


Pretty sure that's Nine in the picture. What made you not consider that kid as Nine?


The eyes and the shape of the face or not?
I mean Twelve is really obvious with eyes and face..
 
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I had high expectations from this show, but now I don't really know why I did.
 
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NikeSawakoKobato said:
OMG!!! the bomb in locker D12?!!

D12 like in a chess game??? Anyone knows what that could mean??


What? first of all the chessboard is 8x8, and even if D12 means D1->D2 that would mean one of the queens would be moving over a pawn. Doesn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Wow. Just WOW. Amazing episode. Five cornered Twelve badly. So that's what that facility was. Quite interesting. The word that they may not live long made me wonder. What were these headaches Five had and that losing consciousness I now wonder if we'll have a sad ending here. Nine and Twelve die. Lisa gets shocked gets left all alone, her mother will come and take her home so she'll continue her miserable life. Quite the bad ending IMO.
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Sep 13, 2014 2:31 PM

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I really really hope you're right. It would be quite brilliant.
I don't really like Lisa yet but I kinda appreciated the moment Twelve x Lisa, and if your theory is right their love story would sound even more legit.

Anyway, 2 episodes left, I really have no idea what to expect. Something is sure though, all the kids as guinea pigs have very less to live so we're gonna see some deaths in the Finale.
 
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NikeSawakoKobato said:
helloworId said:


Pretty sure that's Nine in the picture. What made you not consider that kid as Nine?


The eyes and the shape of the face or not?
I mean Twelve is really obvious with eyes and face..


But if you look back on the other episodes with kid-Nine, this kid just looks like him.
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helloworId said:
NikeSawakoKobato said:


The eyes and the shape of the face or not?
I mean Twelve is really obvious with eyes and face..


But if you look back on the other episodes with kid-Nine, this kid just looks like him.


Plot twist: that's actually Lisa.

But nah, I think the whole theory is way too farfetched to be true.
 
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wow intense fucking episode WOW
man makes me a little sad since I think they have a terminal illness D:
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Man, I always disliked Lisa as a character, but when she looked at the moon and said that she was fine from now on, I couldnt help but to feel sympathy for her.
Plus the ost in that whole part was a masterpiece!
 
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