| I've always said I like anime with hints of yuri a lot more than actual yuri.... and that's how I feel. But now I'm kinda thinking that it's very unnessasry half the time... It can work sometimes, but others, it's really pointless. Two main issues, 1. they go too far and it's no longer subtle... 2. It's overused in general. Unless you make the undertones subtle, then there's no point... leave yuri to actual yuri... or just use some subtly Where it works NANA... This anime is far more serious and they keep the relationship very subtle. We just know that Nana thinks highly of her friend of the same name, and they both have a sense of closeness to each other. Gatchaman Crowds/stiens gate/k-on... they keep it very brief and just use it for a few cute and funny situaions... (THEY KNOW WHEN TO FREAKING COOL IT) Maria-sama... That anime is a yuri anyway, and has real yuri relationships, it only fits that they imply some as well Yuru-yuri... it's all satire, so it fits. Modoka magica/black rock shooter.... it's all very serious and you get very much into the psychology of the characters, thus you have to explore thier relationship in detail Where it doesn't work Fate/kalied... It just seems like fanservice here. It'd be much cuter without it. And I don't think it goes deep enough into the characters to justify it. Yuyushiki.. they go too far with it and it gets creepy eventually. They don't chill out with it Kin-mora mosaic... they didn't need it here either. It would have been much cuter if they were just close friends. When they get to high school, thier relationship becomes too clingy... and there's very little conflict between the girls, it's just too lovey-dubby... Just get a room already Strike witches... it exists for fanservice... no other reason. Ichigo mashamellow.... the undertones there just make it feel kinda perverted really. |
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| Ichigo Marshamellow is made by a loli artist and Kinmosa is serialized in Manga Time Kirara where yuri undertones are common. |
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| agreed, sometimes yuri ruins the moe, my most memorable like that is gochi usa |
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| people watch / read stuff for yuri undertones. I find your criteria kind of abitrary too by the way. I haven't seen Strike witches but isn't the yuri in Yuru Yuri just moe + fanservice?I guarantee you a huge amount of the people watch it because of loli looking girls feeling each other up and not for the satire element. |
romagia said: agreed, sometimes yuri ruins the moe, my most memorable like that is gochi usa it can also make it better... they just need to understand subtly like K-on! did |
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terrestia said: did that actually happen in yuruyuri? is that how you feel about yuruyuri, so you start projecting and claim 'a huge ammount of people' do it? or are you that negative of a person and you can't conceive people watching it for the cute girls doing cute stuff?I haven't seen Strike witches but isn't the yuri in Yuru Yuri just moe + fanservice?I guarantee you a huge amount of the people watch it because of loli looking girls feeling each other up and not for the satire element. |
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romagia said: terrestia said: did that actually happen in yuruyuri? is that how you feel about yuruyuri, so you start projecting and claim 'a huge ammount of people' do it? or are you that negative of a person and you can't conceive people watching it for the cute girls doing cute stuff?I haven't seen Strike witches but isn't the yuri in Yuru Yuri just moe + fanservice?I guarantee you a huge amount of the people watch it because of loli looking girls feeling each other up and not for the satire element. Of course 'feeling each other up' was an hyperbole for hugs and stuff, aka cute girls doing cute things. People on the internet have such a short fuse. Sorry for offending your favorite anime... |
| Hey, Aria had yuri undertones and nobody cared. |
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| yuri is always necessary. Bear that in mind. |
| In Yuyushiki and KIniro Mosaic it adds to the cute-like charm in my opinion. Both shows just wouldn't be the same without the undertones. On another note I strongly agree with Strike Witches and Fate/Kaleid, shitty fanservice anime shouldn't taint yuri. |
| i guess the yuri undertones (well not really undertones) in Shinsekai yori were a bit unnecessary. by my understanding, their main point was already covered by the Yaoi undertones that came first. |
Hoppy said: Ichigo Marshamellow is made by a loli artist and Kinmosa is serialized in Manga Time Kirara where yuri undertones are common. That's the problem... it's too common. I'm okay with some shows being like that, but when it's everywhere... it's just a cliche romagia said: terrestia said: did that actually happen in yuruyuri? is that how you feel about yuruyuri, so you start projecting and claim 'a huge ammount of people' do it? or are you that negative of a person and you can't conceive people watching it for the cute girls doing cute stuff?I haven't seen Strike witches but isn't the yuri in Yuru Yuri just moe + fanservice?I guarantee you a huge amount of the people watch it because of loli looking girls feeling each other up and not for the satire element. Well, Yuru Yuri was funny and satirized the moe genre itself. It was also way more upbeat and energetic. It might be the best slice of life/moe in my opinion. If it tried to take itself seriosuly, then it would have sucked. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:31 AM
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| I can agree, in AoT Was this really necessary? |
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Anti_Meta said: You could say that for any couple that isn't straight then. You probably wouldn't have batted an eyelash if it were a boy and a girl.I can agree, in AoT Was this really necessary? |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Sapewloth said: Anti_Meta said: You could say that for any couple that isn't straight then. You probably wouldn't have batted an eyelash if it were a boy and a girl.I can agree, in AoT Was this really necessary? Well I don't have a problem with gay couples but I feel that it wasn't really needed for story progression or anything and that the author just tossed it in for the lulz, we didn't need to know that they were a couple because it wouldn't have affected the story in any way, shape or form, it's just there for no reason |
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Eearu said: In Yuyushiki and KIniro Mosaic it adds to the cute-like charm in my opinion. Both shows just wouldn't be the same without the undertones. On another note I strongly agree with Strike Witches and Fate/Kaleid, shitty fanservice anime shouldn't taint yuri. I think yuyushiki and kiniro mosaic could bennefit from them, however, if it were more subtle and vauge, it'd be better.... They're very obvious lesbians, and are in love with each other. It's to the point where they may as well just have made it yuri. I think it'd be better if it was just girls who love each other, with maybe possible romantic hints, but nothing definite. Nanet said: Hey, Aria had yuri undertones and nobody cared. I'm not argueing against yuri undertones... I'm argueing for sublty Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:33 AM
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| Yes it would have? The bond they formed in their years as trainees was important for their development, and they it's not like they were just random side chars during the arc where them loving each other was confirmed (and they still arent: they're both very important characters). Both characters were actually given a lot of focus, and it quite clearly implied that their relationship might play a bigger role later on It was miles away from being there for no reason. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
fst said: yuri is always necessary. Bear that in mind. No, anime shouldn't pander to anime fans... If yuri was everywhere I'd get pissed.... I watch yuri to see yuri... I watch non-yuri, to see non-yuri.... Can you combine the two? Yes, but you have to do it with subtly... you can't just shove yuri in the viewers face every singel scene. Anti_Meta said: Sapewloth said: You could say that for any couple that isn't straight then. You probably wouldn't have batted an eyelash if it were a boy and a girl. Well I don't have a problem with gay couples but I feel that it wasn't really needed for story progression or anything and that the author just tossed it in for the lulz, we didn't need to know that they were a couple because it wouldn't have affected the story in any way, shape or form, it's just there for no reason Well... I don't hate lesbians, but I don't wanna constantly see it... Think of it like this... what if every anime out there had yaoi undertones... That would suck for me, cause I'm straight and I don't watch yaoi. I dropped Sakura Cardcaptor for that very reason... So imagine how it would be for a straight female, who likes moe, but feels the same way about yuri, that I feel about yaoi... The problem is that in the "girls doing cute shit" genre... yuri undertones are just so common, they've become cliche Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:34 AM
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Sapewloth said: Yes it would have? The bond they formed in their years as trainees was important for their development, and they it's not like they were just random side chars during the arc where them loving each other was confirmed (and they still arent: they're both very important characters). Both characters were actually given a lot of focus, and it quite clearly implied that their relationship might play a bigger role later on It was miles away from being there for no reason. Hmm never thought about it that way, I thought things would have gone differently between Ymir and Christa considering their positions right now in the story |
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| There's yuri in Ichigo Marshmallow? I love that show but I guess I never really saw it that way. I've always thought Nobue's just a lolicon :p Yuyushiki. What? You mean you don't want to know how Yui's bean tastes? Yuzu and Yukari are disappointed. |
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Sapewloth said: Anti_Meta said: You could say that for any couple that isn't straight then. You probably wouldn't have batted an eyelash if it were a boy and a girl.I can agree, in AoT Was this really necessary? Ding Dong! That's correct! same-sex couples always need justification for why they're in the show! How dare you question that? |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:36 AM
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| I think most of us are being sarcastic about Shinsekai Yori now...Unless they're actually ignorant. Seriously, how can people avoid SSY when it's so good. :S |
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| What do you mean not necessary? Is a character's sexuality not a necessary component of their characterization? Seems pretty necessary to me. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:37 AM
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mayukachan said: I think most of us are being sarcastic about Shinsekai Yori now...Unless they're actually ignorant. Seriously, how can people avoid SSY when it's so good. :S Esp the eps following that scene, which were pretty damn good. I seem to recall a lot of "I can't believe I almost dropped this" comments on the SSY forum. I'd have to go back though... |
| Why argue for subtlety... These relationships are already made too subtle, to the point people pretend they don't exist when media is obviously aiming for these hints to be picked up on. 'Yuri' relationships are just as 'unnecessary' as heterosexual relationships. |
Red_Keys said: What do you mean not necessary? Is a character's sexuality not a necessary component of their characterization? Seems pretty necessary to me. Honestly, I'm straight and the yaoi action in SSY never bothered me. I never really understood why people on the yaoi, but not yuri. I like yuri, by the way. Mod Edit: Removed baiting from quote. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:38 AM
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terrestia said: people on the internet have such a tendency to make stupid generalizations and claimsromagia said: did that actually happen in yuruyuri? is that how you feel about yuruyuri, so you start projecting and claim 'a huge ammount of people' do it? or are you that negative of a person and you can't conceive people watching it for the cute girls doing cute stuff? Of course 'feeling each other up' was an hyperbole for hugs and stuff, aka cute girls doing cute things. People on the internet have such a short fuse. Sorry for offending your favorite anime... |
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fable said: Why argue for subtlety... These relationships are already made too subtle, to the point people pretend they don't exist when media is obviously aiming for these hints to be picked up on. 'Yuri' relationships are just as 'unnecessary' as heterosexual relationships. Well, if you don't wanna make them subtle.. then just make it actual yuri romagia said: terrestia said: people on the internet have such a tendency to make stupid generalizations and claimsOf course 'feeling each other up' was an hyperbole for hugs and stuff, aka cute girls doing cute things. People on the internet have such a short fuse. Sorry for offending your favorite anime... Well both yuryyuri and strike witches are very yuri anime... yea, I don't think the characters kiss, but there is a good amount of yuri there.... It's not just them hugging each other once in a while Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:38 AM
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Red_Keys said: What do you mean not necessary? Is a character's sexuality not a necessary component of their characterization? Seems pretty necessary to me. And that's not it... I just think it's stupid when they unrealistically show it in your face... "Hey looks, lesbians... look!! Hey!!!"... It's cliche, you see it too much, it belongs in actual yuri, and it makes the genre of moe less innocent and more fanservicy? I'm not saying yuri undertones are bad... but it's just too common in moe, and simply needs to use subtly. If they just be more subtle, it'd be more realistic, cuter, and more relatable... Mod Edit: Removed baiting and response to it. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:39 AM
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shintai88 said: MasterGlyth said: I believe they are always necessary. Same. It ats to the comedy in alot of cases. Sometimes the heavily obsessed kohai can be heavy on the scenes. But still necessary. Kinda like Kyuubei in Gintama. Yea, sometimes... it doesn't need to be all over the place |
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| My main problem with yaoi/yuri in anime: the writing and they way these type of characters are handled is done extremely poorly. Authors/screenwriters aren't writing well defined characters that happen to be homosexual ,they are writing homosexual characters from the get go and just adding shallow character traits (ex:the experienced type of character that takes the lead,the submissive or un-experienced one,overly shy....) to compensate for it. |
amateur said: My main problem with yaoi/yuri in anime: the writing and they way these type of characters are handled is done extremely poorly. Authors/screenwriters aren't writing well defined characters that happen to be homosexual ,they are writing homosexual characters from the get go and just adding shallow character traits (ex:the experienced type of character that takes the lead,the submissive or un-experienced one,overly shy....) to compensate for it. I just simply don't wanna see it constantly in most moe anime. Even if it is depicted realistically... However, you can have yuri undertones, wihtount even nessasarilly making the characters gay. I think if they're "undertones" then it shouldn't be definite that the characters are acutally lesbians... I'm just saying.. pick one... if they're going to be lesbians, make it a yuri, if it's gonna be questionable, then give it sort of a yuri undertone.... but so many anime tries to pull yuri off as an undertone, when it's very obvious the characters are acutally lesbians. |
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| Unnecessary Yuri = fanservice the rest is ok. Shinsekai Yuri is super-ok. |
| It's like complaining your parents mouth kiss in front of you, when they obviously went to greater lengths to have you. It's your personal problem and the examples you gave are a mess. For starters, SSY and AoT indeed do have a reason to explore shipps like these, but they not your next yuri anime and, oh boy, did this hit a nerve a two. Nana is also out of the question, where did you even get the idea. Giving examples of how yuri works best in yuri anime is nonsense, logically speaking, and although some of the other are SoL, the yuri is bound to happen in any of those, given the characters - they are not playing with the idea for the shit and giggles only, they take on both the het and non-het outlets. Well, depending on the ability of the viewer to comprehend, which is the problem here. |
silversongwriter said: Then your problem is with garbage writing, not actual homosexual undertones. You're either being dishonest, or your initial complaints are completely misguided.Red_Keys said: What do you mean not necessary? Is a character's sexuality not a necessary component of their characterization? Seems pretty necessary to me. And that's not it... I just think it's stupid when they unrealistically show it in your face... "Hey looks, lesbians... look!! Hey!!!"... It's cliche, you see it too much, it belongs in actual yuri, and it makes the genre of moe less innocent and more fanservicy? I'm not saying yuri undertones are bad... but it's just too common in moe, and simply needs to use subtly. If they just be more subtle, it'd be more realistic, cuter, and more relatable... But I'm not really sure what you mean by "unrealistically show it in your face". Actual lesbians in real life are, you know, lesbians. "Showing it" isn't unrealistic.. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted posts and response to it. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:41 AM
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silversongwriter said: Then your problem is with garbage writing, not actual homosexual undertones. You're either being dishonest, or your initial complaints are completely misguided.Red_Keys said: What do you mean not necessary? Is a character's sexuality not a necessary component of their characterization? Seems pretty necessary to me. And that's not it... I just think it's stupid when they unrealistically show it in your face... "Hey looks, lesbians... look!! Hey!!!"... It's cliche, you see it too much, it belongs in actual yuri, and it makes the genre of moe less innocent and more fanservicy? I'm not saying yuri undertones are bad... but it's just too common in moe, and simply needs to use subtly. If they just be more subtle, it'd be more realistic, cuter, and more relatable... But I'm not really sure what you mean by "unrealistically show it in your face". Actual lesbians in real life are, you know, lesbians. "Showing it" isn't unrealistic..[/quote] "Then your problem is with garbage writing, not actual homosexual undertones." BINGO!!! Tha'ts what I've been saying... However, even if it is written well, I still don't want to always see it almost every moe anime... "No, avoiding something because it has homosexual content is literally the definition of homophobia. " I'm not gonna watch two dudes get all gay and shit, and niether is the avergare dude. And not watching m/m romance doesn't make you a homophobe, but if it does... then the majority of straight men are homophobes.' Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted posts. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:43 AM
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silversongwriter said: I'm not gonna watch two dudes get all gay and shit, and niether is the avergare dude. And not watching m/m romance doesn't make you a homophobe, but if it does... then the majority of straight men are homophobes.' A lot of them probably are even if they don't act on it in public because they know it's not cool anymore. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: silversongwriter said: I'm not gonna watch two dudes get all gay and shit, and niether is the avergare dude. And not watching m/m romance doesn't make you a homophobe, but if it does... then the majority of straight men are homophobes.' A lot of them probably are even if they don't act on it in public because they know it's not cool anymore. Well... define homophobe... I mean, if a guy see's two dudes kiss and he turns his head cause it grosses him out... that makes him homophobic? That's a pretty loose definition of the word |
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| Yuri and Yaoi in SSY came very suddenly. It really came off as a surprise and that's probably why so many people hate it. I really disliked episode 8 (and 9~10) but not for the reason of Yuri and Yaoi. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
VudisSep 6, 2014 2:45 AM
| I am not gonna call an anime bad just becuase it has yaoi or yuri... To me, it's about how it's executed. I've never seen SSY... but it's kinda y'all fault if it offended you. Personally, if I even suspect yaoi, I'll do some research on an anime to make sure it's not there. Which is why I dropped sakura cardcaptor.'' I simply acknowledge... "Yaoi is not for me... it's for yaoi fan-girls" I'm not meant to like it. I've never seen the anime "Free"... however, it'd be dumb for me to watch it, and complain, since it's clearly not targeted to me[/quote]Yuri and Yaoi in SSY came very suddenly. It really came off as a surprise and that's probably why so many people hate it. I really disliked episode 8 (and 9~10) but not for the reason of Yuri and Yaoi.[/quote] I like to know as well, I research whether an anime has any yaoi anything in there... If so, I'll simply not watch it. And even though I watch yuri... If I don't know it's there, I might not react appropriately. |
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Eearu said: Yuri and Yaoi in SSY came very suddenly. It really came off as a surprise and that's probably why so many people hate it. I really disliked episode 8 (and 9~10) but not for the reason of Yuri and Yaoi. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. It didn't come suddenly at all, we were told that a big part of their society was teenagers being encouraged into same sex relationships. |
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| Yuri is the purest form of love. How dare you say it's unnecessary?!? OP, you're part of the problem. |
| Since when was Yuruyuri satire? It's just a bunch of unfunny lesbians making unfunny jokes and ocasionally doing unfunny lesbian stuff |
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Eearu said: Yuri and Yaoi in SSY came very suddenly. It really came off as a surprise and that's probably why so many people hate it. I really disliked episode 8 (and 9~10) but not for the reason of Yuri and Yaoi. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. Homosexuality being common "practice" among people in their new society was already foreshadowed in one of the early episodes with the false minoshiro. It even described in detail the purpose behind why it is encouraged. So I don't get how people thought the yuri and yaoi moments suddenly came out of nowhere in episode 8. |
Vhailor said: Eearu said: Yuri and Yaoi in SSY came very suddenly. It really came off as a surprise and that's probably why so many people hate it. I really disliked episode 8 (and 9~10) but not for the reason of Yuri and Yaoi. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. Homosexuality being common "practice" among people in their new society was already foreshadowed in one of the early episodes with the false minoshiro. It even described in detail the purpose behind why it is encouraged. So I don't get how people thought the yuri and yaoi moments suddenly came out of nowhere in episode 8. That's what I thought too, Soon as it was talked about I had known pretty much what was going to happen. As far as Yuri in non Yuri anime I, I really don't find it that big of deal. It's not the main focus of the story so it's just who that character is. It shows how that character thinks, where they are coming from. I think of psycho pass and I don't think gosh it has yuri in it, I think of psycho pass and I think of what a hell of an aniime it is. |
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