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Sep 4, 2014 4:30 PM
#51
"Don't you have better things to do?" |
Sep 4, 2014 4:36 PM
#52
Thebigofan said: So basically, the shaming worked and you lost weight.mclovinballz said: Thebigofan said: It's wrong and people should stop doing it. I was bullied in elementary and the bullies called me fat and ugly. It made me feel horrible about the way I looked. Learn to have some empathy and stop making people feel bad about themselves. I did lose the weight - I was 200 pounds and now I'm less than 160. |
Sep 4, 2014 4:36 PM
#53
Nanet said: "Don't you have better things to do?" "No." |
Sep 4, 2014 5:11 PM
#54
It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:15 PM
#55
xanic said: Even the Final Solution is better than your solution.It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:17 PM
#56
Josh-i said: xanic said: Even the Final Solution is better than your solution.It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. That's probably true. But at least I don't act on mine. |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:18 PM
#57
xanic said: It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. Your solution is better on a practical level. The only reason it isn't outright better though is because it'll likely never happen due to peoples moral constraints. |
[size=200]MAL AVATAR SYSTEM BLOWS |
Sep 4, 2014 5:20 PM
#58
DerpHole said: xanic said: It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. Your solution is better on a practical level. The only reason it isn't outright better though is because it'll likely never happen due to peoples moral constraints. So... Time to change peoples moral views. Be back in a decade or two. |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:20 PM
#59
Her "solution" also makes no sense whatsoever but yeah. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:24 PM
#60
xanic said: New Zealand?It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:27 PM
#61
mclovinballz said: xanic said: New Zealand?It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. Questioning look. |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:29 PM
#62
Malandrix said: As a fatty mcfaterson myself I honeztly don't care. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:30 PM
#63
xanic said: mclovinballz said: xanic said: It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. Questioning look. They deport fat people |
[size=200]MAL AVATAR SYSTEM BLOWS |
Sep 4, 2014 5:31 PM
#64
As long as it's in good taste it's fine. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:31 PM
#65
DerpHole said: xanic said: mclovinballz said: xanic said: New Zealand?It's better than my solution. Anyone over a certain age, weight, or is unable to contribute to society should be removed from society. Questioning look. They deport fat people Perfect. |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:38 PM
#66
There's no shame, we're all equal. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:44 PM
#67
apachelsalvador said: There's no shame, we're all equal. if we're all equal, why do I find some people attractive and others not? |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:46 PM
#68
Some people here seem to think that shaming fat people is actually a good thing because it motivates them to work to change themselves I didn't know mal was so altruistic, acting like assholes for the benefits of others. Really noble, truly. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:47 PM
#69
Cupquake said: Some people here seem to think that shaming fat people is actually a good thing because it motivates them to work to change themselves I didn't know mal was so altruistic, acting like assholes for the benefits of others. Really noble, truly. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:47 PM
#70
Cupquake said: Some people here seem to think that shaming fat people is actually a good thing because it motivates them to work to change themselves I didn't know mal was so altruistic, acting like assholes for the benefits of others. Really noble, truly. I think that there view is better than mine. :/ |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 5:52 PM
#71
xanic said: It was sarcastic, but the girl in the picture seems to prefer fatso's.apachelsalvador said: There's no shame, we're all equal. if we're all equal, why do I find some people attractive and others not? |
Sep 4, 2014 5:54 PM
#72
apachelsalvador said: That looks so damn convenient, having a chair stuck to yourThere's no shame, we're all equal. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:54 PM
#73
I dont like it. Everyone is different in their own way. Doesnt mean that you have the right to make fun of them in any way. Karma is a bitch, so you never know when the same can happen to you. |
""You think you're special? You're not. Everyone lies, everyone hides things... Nobody makes it through this life being completely honest." - Izaya |
Sep 4, 2014 5:56 PM
#74
Jackrabb1t said: So that's why fat people can never get off the chair/couch, it's always stuck to them.apachelsalvador said: That looks so damn convenient, having a chair stuck to yourThere's no shame, we're all equal. |
Sep 4, 2014 5:56 PM
#75
apachelsalvador said: xanic said: It was sarcastic, but the girl in the picture seems to prefer fatso's.apachelsalvador said: There's no shame, we're all equal. if we're all equal, why do I find some people attractive and others not? I understood it was sarcasm. Hueh hueh. Sorry, didn't make that clear. |
"I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Sep 4, 2014 6:02 PM
#76
cabacc2 said: From the perspective of overall society it makes sense to "shame" fat people. They undoubtedly are a burden for societies health care systems, since they are more likely to end up being hospitalized. "Obesity-related health care spending is estimated to cost up to $190 billion per year; or more than 20% of total U.S. health care costs." http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/09/the-price-of-americas-obesity-epidemic.aspx (the name of the website though, lol) ignoring if the numbers are perfectly accurate, I think we can all agree that it sure does cost a lot for society. So, it makes sense to make being fat as unattractive as possible, from a social and economic viewpoint. For all the edgelords of MAL: "Fat-shaming is a social activity" lol We should just kill fat people and feed them to the starving kids in Africa. It will produce the greatest good for the greatest number. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:12 PM
#77
I don't think I'd be considered a fat shamer because I don't tell fat people what I'm thinking, just make a lot of jokes about them with my friends. Was about to try to justify making fun of them but there's really no excuse to be mean to people. On the bright side, they never know I'm making fun of them. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:15 PM
#78
Revelry said: Why not the reverse? We get to solve the problem with Africa and then all the fat people die of disease.cabacc2 said: From the perspective of overall society it makes sense to "shame" fat people. They undoubtedly are a burden for societies health care systems, since they are more likely to end up being hospitalized. "Obesity-related health care spending is estimated to cost up to $190 billion per year; or more than 20% of total U.S. health care costs." http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/09/the-price-of-americas-obesity-epidemic.aspx (the name of the website though, lol) ignoring if the numbers are perfectly accurate, I think we can all agree that it sure does cost a lot for society. So, it makes sense to make being fat as unattractive as possible, from a social and economic viewpoint. For all the edgelords of MAL: "Fat-shaming is a social activity" lol We should just kill fat people and feed them to the starving kids in Africa. It will produce the greatest good for the greatest number. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:17 PM
#79
Revelry said: I was totally serious though...cabacc2 said: From the perspective of overall society it makes sense to "shame" fat people. They undoubtedly are a burden for societies health care systems, since they are more likely to end up being hospitalized. "Obesity-related health care spending is estimated to cost up to $190 billion per year; or more than 20% of total U.S. health care costs." http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/09/the-price-of-americas-obesity-epidemic.aspx (the name of the website though, lol) ignoring if the numbers are perfectly accurate, I think we can all agree that it sure does cost a lot for society. So, it makes sense to make being fat as unattractive as possible, from a social and economic viewpoint. For all the edgelords of MAL: "Fat-shaming is a social activity" lol We should just kill fat people and feed them to the starving kids in Africa. It will produce the greatest good for the greatest number. I could even claim that fat shaming is an "evolutionary, emergent characteristic of modern, developed societies". It makes sense to treat it as such. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:27 PM
#80
cabacc2 said: There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. Revelry said: I was totally serious though...cabacc2 said: From the perspective of overall society it makes sense to "shame" fat people. They undoubtedly are a burden for societies health care systems, since they are more likely to end up being hospitalized. "Obesity-related health care spending is estimated to cost up to $190 billion per year; or more than 20% of total U.S. health care costs." http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/09/the-price-of-americas-obesity-epidemic.aspx (the name of the website though, lol) ignoring if the numbers are perfectly accurate, I think we can all agree that it sure does cost a lot for society. So, it makes sense to make being fat as unattractive as possible, from a social and economic viewpoint. For all the edgelords of MAL: "Fat-shaming is a social activity" lol We should just kill fat people and feed them to the starving kids in Africa. It will produce the greatest good for the greatest number. I could even claim that fat shaming is an "evolutionary, emergent characteristic of modern, developed societies". It makes sense to treat it as such. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:30 PM
#81
Revelry said: Absolutely nothing should ever be done at the expense of pragmatism for the sake of big business. Businesses need to succeed and fail on their own merit, not have the government coming in to bat for them when public opinion shifts: (See: Australian retail industry).There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. |
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Sep 4, 2014 6:41 PM
#82
Isn't everyone in the USA a fat that needs an air scooter to go to places such as McDonalds? |
Sep 4, 2014 6:43 PM
#83
BarryManilow said: Sure. We should let people succeed and fail on their own merit too by removing affirmative action and social welfare. That would be very pragmatic.Revelry said: Absolutely nothing should ever be done at the expense of pragmatism for the sake of big business. Businesses need to succeed and fail on their own merit, not have the government coming in to bat for them when public opinion shifts: (See: Australian retail industry).There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:45 PM
#84
Revelry said: Businesses aren't people. It would be extremely stupid to act like they were.BarryManilow said: Sure. We should let people succeed and fail on their own merit too by removing affirmative action and social welfare. That would be very pragmatic.Revelry said: There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. Would you regulate DVD production to protect VHS manufacturers? |
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Sep 4, 2014 6:47 PM
#85
BarryManilow said: The Supreme Court thinks corporations are people.Revelry said: Businesses aren't people. It would be extremely stupid to act like they were.BarryManilow said: Revelry said: Absolutely nothing should ever be done at the expense of pragmatism for the sake of big business. Businesses need to succeed and fail on their own merit, not have the government coming in to bat for them when public opinion shifts: (See: Australian retail industry).There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. Would you regulate DVD production to protect VHS manufacturers? |
Sep 4, 2014 6:48 PM
#86
Revelry said: Conversation over. There is no point in continuing this discussion.The Supreme Court thinks corporations are people. |
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Sep 4, 2014 6:51 PM
#87
html said: VBS said: Shaming them would only create insecurities not motivation and it portrays them as victims hence the fat acceptance movement.mclovinballz said: Nothing wrong in giving fatty motivation to lose some weight. Fat people should be shamed and told how bad they look in order to motivate them to improve themselves. I've never been motivated to do better in school by being called a "retard", so I don't think an overweight person would be motivated to lose weight either by being insulted/shamed. Every human being deserves respect regardless of how they look like. Their weight is not your problem. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:51 PM
#88
BarryManilow said: Wow. Way to break my heart and humiliate me in front of everyone.Revelry said: Conversation over. There is no point in continuing this discussion.The Supreme Court thinks corporations are people. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:53 PM
#89
Kitska said: First off, you have to earn other people's respect. Don't be so entitled. Secondly, their weight is my problem because it offends my sensibilities.Every human being deserves respect regardless of how they look like. Their weight is not your problem. |
Sep 4, 2014 6:57 PM
#90
fat acceptance is fucking dumb |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Sep 4, 2014 7:00 PM
#91
Revelry said: I hope you didnt expect me to present scientific evidence. If you did, you are clearly in the wrong place here.There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. Fat shaming comes in many forms and shapes, there is "light" shaming and "hard" shaming. To find reliable studies about such a complex phenomenon is too much to ask. I try to back up my claim with a simple line of reasoning instead. That should be enough for this purpose: Premise 1: Being shamed is unpleasant. Premise 2: Fat people get shamed. Conclusion 1: Thus, in a "fat shaming society", it is more unpleasant to be fat, than in a "non fat shaming society" (if every other factors that characterizes our societies stay the same) Premise 3: People actively try to avoid feeling unpleasant Conclusion 2: In a fat shaming society, people will avoid being fat more, than in a non fat shaming society vice versa, in a society where being fat gets idolized, people will rather aim to be fat. Again: (Ideally) in comparison to a society where this is not the case. An example would be The Renaissance. When I read your post, it seemed like you referred to the effects of fat shaming on fat people, not to the effects of fat shaming on "normal" people. But it goes both ways: shaming creates unpleasant situation -> individual tries to escape -> works to lose weight -> fat shaming "worked" shaming creates unpleasant situation -> individual is distressed -> frustration -> eating as escape -> fat shaming is counterproductive OR individual doesnt give two shits to begin with (this is the rare exception though) btw, I never really argued for fat shaming. In fact, I dont think that it is the optimal solution. I believe that fat shaming is best in a) moderation (if it causes depression, its counterproductive) b) combination (with stuff like raised awareness for health problems, helpful offers, official programs, food regulation ...) TL;DR We have to consider both, the effects on fat people and the effects on "normal people". The effects on normal people are positive, in a sense that it prevents them from wanting to gain weight. For fat people, it can go both ways. In the end, the individual mindset and genetic factors will decide which way it goes. However, fat shaming in that regard will only be negative, when the fat shaming is so strong that it has a serious negative impact on the majority of fat people. Thus, I advocate for fat shaming in moderation and combination. |
Sep 4, 2014 7:05 PM
#92
Sep 4, 2014 7:27 PM
#93
Revelry said: Kitska said: First off, you have to earn other people's respect. Don't be so entitled. Secondly, their weight is my problem because it offends my sensibilities.Every human being deserves respect regardless of how they look like. Their weight is not your problem. Do you randomly call strangers, who are overweight, a "fatass"? That's the kind of respect I'm talking about. Basic decency. Also, again, their weight is not your problem just because you are suddenly offended because they look different from you. That's like being offended because somebody is black. |
Sep 4, 2014 7:31 PM
#94
well people have prejudice thinking most of the times eventhough that fat person may have become fat because of an illness or side effect of medicines or just bad genetics or mix of all and other factors |
Sep 4, 2014 7:32 PM
#95
html said: "This unfortunately includes Doctors telling them to lose weight for their health and suggesting diets or friends saying that their clothes are too tight, even men very politely refusing dates because they just don't find them attractive." If we're including shit like that, I'm all for it. In fact, I do it all the time. mclovinballz said: Why not the reverse? We get to solve the problem with Africa and then all the fat people die of disease. Brilliant. If you ran for president or Walmart store manager or some shit, I'd consider voting for you, then not do it and masturbate. |
Sieg Zeon! |
Sep 4, 2014 7:35 PM
#96
Kitska said: Not entirely, because fat people can (presumably) control their weight while black people cannot control their skin color.Revelry said: Kitska said: Every human being deserves respect regardless of how they look like. Their weight is not your problem. Do you randomly call strangers, who are overweight, a "fatass"? That's the kind of respect I'm talking about. Basic decency. Also, again, their weight is not your problem just because you are suddenly offended because they look different from you. That's like being offended because somebody is black. |
Sep 4, 2014 8:00 PM
#97
Kitska said: It is when fatbody fucks over the whole platoon.Their weight is not your problem. |
Sep 4, 2014 8:04 PM
#98
BarryManilow said: didn't australia actually do something dumb like that? i swear vhs was sold here for way longer than it needed to be. like, we're talking up until 2006-2007.Revelry said: Businesses aren't people. It would be extremely stupid to act like they were.BarryManilow said: Revelry said: Absolutely nothing should ever be done at the expense of pragmatism for the sake of big business. Businesses need to succeed and fail on their own merit, not have the government coming in to bat for them when public opinion shifts: (See: Australian retail industry).There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. Would you regulate DVD production to protect VHS manufacturers? |
Sep 4, 2014 9:52 PM
#99
dity said: I'd say that's more due to Australian retailers price gouging technology to ridiculous levels in Australia than government intervention (lack of government intervention if anything). When it's like 100 bucks for a dvd player, sticking with VHS seems more appealing.BarryManilow said: didn't australia actually do something dumb like that? i swear vhs was sold here for way longer than it needed to be. like, we're talking up until 2006-2007.Revelry said: BarryManilow said: Sure. We should let people succeed and fail on their own merit too by removing affirmative action and social welfare. That would be very pragmatic.Revelry said: Absolutely nothing should ever be done at the expense of pragmatism for the sake of big business. Businesses need to succeed and fail on their own merit, not have the government coming in to bat for them when public opinion shifts: (See: Australian retail industry).There is no proof that fat shaming works. You also did not take into account the damage that fat shaming (if it works) will have on businesses. Would you regulate DVD production to protect VHS manufacturers? I do recall reading an article about a politician Down Under floating the idea of a tax on eBay purchases to protect the retail industry which was amusing. |
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Sep 4, 2014 9:52 PM
#100
Been various levels of chubby/fat/obese/morbidly obese since I was like 5 or so so kinda biased on this one. It's weird, I'll laugh at fat jokes in tv shows or whatnot, and when I'd fight my siblings when I was younger various forms of fat jokes/insults were always flung around by all of us(we were all pretty big). But I'd never mention anything like that to a heavy person I knew in real life(outside direct siblings I guess), seems pretty scummy to me unless you're really close and even then....eh feels wrong. But as I said my opinion is a blatantly biased one. I guess I try to look at things in the "how would you feel if the roles were reversed" kinda perspective but that's probably too simplistic. |
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