Zankyou no Terror Episode 8 Discussion

BRK25 said:
My biggest question that I'm getting is Lisa's place.

If she's not a part of Shibazaki in any heritage, then there must be something going on that we don't know in the works. There's no way they put her in and has no service or use.

Waiting on that cinematography.

Keten said:

Very true. However it's just speculation as of yet. I am not saying she is forever a 1-dimensional character, just that for now she is and she's really cheesy is all. I am waiting for some backdrop on her to expand her character more but otherwise yes, there is likely more to her than what I said. My big problem with the show is that they don't really explain anything, I feel like the last episode or 2nd last episode is just going to be a MASSIVE info-dump... I hope that isn't the case. Either way, sorry if it seemed like I was calling her a doomed character, never meant that, just that so far there isn't much to her other than being psychotic and evil.

pakoko said:

Haha no problem man, you're good. You're right that the show hasn't done much else to portray Five in a different light. I've just been seeing a lot of people (besides you) complaining about Five being 1-dimensional without really giving her a chance. Sorry if it sounded like I was taking it out on you. Yeah there's still 3 more episodes so we'll see how Watanabe pulls this off... or not.

As for the show not really explaining anything, that's just how the show decided to tell its story. It's really up to the viewers to deduce background information by paying close attention to the anime (like how I deduced that Five seems to be suffering from withdrawal symptoms of a drug possibly administered during the Athena plan).

The show will never resort to info dump unless it REALLY has to, that I can guarantee. If you take Aldnoah.Zero for example, do you remember Inaho talking to himself weirdly about how he beat a Vers Kataphrakt? There are many instances in that show that outright reveals background info through dialogue, but ZnT relies more on giving "hints" throughout.

ButNotForMe said:
Pretty sure Shibazaki is gonna die

Keten said:


I don't have a problem with that kind of storytelling when it is necessary. My question more so is what is the point of keeping this info a secret until the end? Keeping information such as the MC's motives away until the end seems really odd to me, I can't cheer for them because I don't know if they are good guys or not, all I have to go off of is they blow up buildings so I don't cheer for them. Then they are up against the evil government people, whom again, don't know why they are doing what they are doing so I cannot cheer for them either, I just see them as bad people as well. I am not asking them to spell it out for me, I am more so just asking for the basics here. Who are they and what do they want? Not saying I necessarily need the answers of both sides, but 1 side at least. Those questions let me feel immersed in the characters, either for or against them. It gives me a reason to follow them. Finding out why they are doing everything is fine but if it takes the entire series for me to start having a view of them, then that kind of fails doesn't it?

Giving hints throughout is okay, leaving out information that would benefit the immersion of a story just so it can have a different form of storytelling is not. I guess that's just my interpretation of it is all. I'll wait and see what exactly it was that they are keeping from us, but if it isn't something that truly needed to be kept a secret, then there was no point to keeping it a secret in the first place and only damaged my enjoyment of the show overall and stopped us from getting insight into the characters at an earlier stage and thus preventing us from getting to know them as MC's until the very end where it doesn't matter anymore.

I mean... Can you honestly say you are truly cheering for these guys? Or at the very least have some sort of idea of what you think of them? What happens if they win? We don't know. What happens if they lose? We don't know and we won't know until near the end of the series where there is little need for immersion anymore. That would be okay if they let us know that the characters don't know either(Like if they were forced to work towards something but didn't know what it was), but they do know.

Idunno, what do you think? This is the main issue I had with the show throughout. I'd like to get your view on it.

Keten said:

I don't have a problem with that kind of storytelling when it is necessary. My question more so is what is the point of keeping this info a secret until the end? Keeping information such as the MC's motives away until the end seems really odd to me, I can't cheer for them because I don't know if they are good guys or not, all I have to go off of is they blow up buildings so I don't cheer for them. Then they are up against the evil government people, whom again, don't know why they are doing what they are doing so I cannot cheer for them either, I just see them as bad people as well. I am not asking them to spell it out for me, I am more so just asking for the basics here. Who are they and what do they want? Not saying I necessarily need the answers of both sides, but 1 side at least. Those questions let me feel immersed in the characters, either for or against them. It gives me a reason to follow them. Finding out why they are doing everything is fine but if it takes the entire series for me to start having a view of them, then that kind of fails doesn't it?

Giving hints throughout is okay, leaving out information that would benefit the immersion of a story just so it can have a different form of storytelling is not. I guess that's just my interpretation of it is all. I'll wait and see what exactly it was that they are keeping from us, but if it isn't something that truly needed to be kept a secret, then there was no point to keeping it a secret in the first place and only damaged my enjoyment of the show overall and stopped us from getting insight into the characters at an earlier stage and thus preventing us from getting to know them as MC's until the very end where it doesn't matter anymore.

I mean... Can you honestly say you are truly cheering for these guys? Or at the very least have some sort of idea of what you think of them? What happens if they win? We don't know. What happens if they lose? We don't know and we won't know until near the end of the series where there is little need for immersion anymore. That would be okay if they let us know that the characters don't know either(Like if they were forced to work towards something but didn't know what it was), but they do know.

Idunno, what do you think? This is the main issue I had with the show throughout. I'd like to get your view on it.

ButNotForMe said:
Pretty sure Shibazaki is gonna die

Tankjan said:
While I was watching this episode, I got a thought, that I'd probably enjoyed this show much more, if it was a male-only story ('terrorists' vs. police forces).

Five is a pure cliche of a bad character and Lisa so far has done nothing, that would make me care about her future, so each time they are on the screen I feel like skipping few minutes.

Tho I'm still hoping for some big twist/surprise, that will change my opinion about this series.

pakoko said:

Incoming long response

pakoko said:
Even if Lisa hadn't answered the door, the bomb would have gone off anyway because the man probably would have left the bomb in front of the door.

Arw said:

Would he? I don't know how postal service works in other countries like Japan, but in mine the guy would leave information, that he tried to deliver the package, but didn't get to meet addressee. He would take the package with him (not leave it, so any random person can pick it up) to the post office or company he works in. That means - her stupidity might! have saved his life.

Keten said:

I will put my post in spoilers too then. lol Even if it isn't as long.