Monogatari Series: Second Season
| Nope, I love her even more after watching Hitagi End. |
| Hitagi was not flirting with Kaiki, she was calling for help by acting flirty. I'm pretty sure Hitagi knows that Kaiki knows she has self-worth issues because she was nearly raped with the (at least passive) agreement of her own mother. Basically, at some point she was thinking of herself "Am I only a fuckhole like my mother seems to feel about me ?", was terrified that the answer would be yes, and seeing what he did I'm confident Kaiki at least subtly understood it. So that's how it is, Hitagi has a very big problem with someone nearly all-powerful and unknown apparently hellbent on killing her and her lover: she feels and is indeed desperate. She goes to Kiaki and pretend having her psychological issues make her act "sluttish" to have him understand that she need help and that it is serious enough for her to fall back into the old pattern she was leaving behind. When money is involved things get real because she really does not have any big money at all and she knows her deal is a bad one for him. So she says she can sell herself to get the cash. Then his answer is basically: "Trying to emotionaly blackmail me by threatening to become the whore you're terrified you may be so I can be guilt-tripped into thinking I will cause your self-destruction by asking a reasonnable amount of money for dealing will a godlike entity is not something I will accept." In short, asking for help is okay but trying to actively hurt him or his interests is not. But that she dares go to the extent of bluntly use the root of all her problems as a bargaining chip (while she played the tsundere to cover it up or was trying to leave it behind) correctly convey her desperation, so he agrees to help her and now only need a freudian excuse to do so. After that, she "flirts" with him to remind him to not betray her trust on this case and to resolve her last standing unknows and issues she had with him since before the start of the serie. |
DdashungDec 24, 2015 6:58 AM
| I'm a big softie. |
HeartlessBastard said: you are asking Araragi will break up because she loves her boyfriend so much that she swallowed all the pride she has to save her boyfriends life?So much that she didnt even care her own life?You are asking that?I think you should rewatch the whole series...You still dont know the characters after watching 50+ episodes...Answer is hidden in those 50 episodesSooooooo... After almost 2 hours of carefully reading this thread. I only ask one thing. will araragi know about this ? like senjougahara lying to him and meeting kaiki? or was there any instance in the future that senjougahara admits what she did to araragi? or did they even break up? lol.. i just finished watching hitagi end and yes i want to be spoiled so bad.. Thank you guys |
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| I've always disliked Senjougahara for being a bitch. |
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HeartlessBastard said: I was never able to be a "hardcore" fan of anything...just for your information,you werent simply asking when you said "or did they even break up?"...Anyways,just keep watching till koyomimonogatari...LoneWizard said: you are asking Araragi will break up because she loves her boyfriend so much that she swallowed all the pride she has to save her boyfriends life?So much that she didnt even care her own life?You are asking that?I think you should rewatch the whole series...You still dont know the characters after watching 50+ episodes...Answer is hidden in those 50 episodes I think you missed some of my questions. It seems to me that you are a hard core senjougahara fan. well i don't want to argue you with that topic. I was simply asking if senjougahara would ever admit to araragi the things she did behind his back. I'm not saying she cheated i was simply wondering if there would be a time/instance wherein senjougahara would open up to araragi. |
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HeartlessBastard said: I would react same way for any other character too if you blurted a random question about breaking up for no reason...jfyiLoneWizard said: I was never able to be a "hardcore" fan of anything...just for your information,you werent simply asking when you said "or did they even break up?"...Anyways,just keep watching till koyomimonogatari... LOL. The way you reacted to my question simply implies how much you feel for senjougahara,anyway again i will not go into that topic anymore. I asked a question but i also got another question. |
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HeartlessBastard said: the fact that you are asking a question about their future in a episode discussion post is the most absurd thing here...It is against forum rules check the first post and read those big punto sentences =_=LoneWizard said: I would react same way for any other character too if you blurted a random question about breaking up for no reason...jfyi Well ok :) If that's what you say i wouldn't really argue with that. To be honest we shouldn't really be having any discussion about this. lol if you only answered my question with a simple YES or NO |
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| I haven't finished the series but I'm just saying, Arargi was about to risk it all for Hachikuji's sake; Hanekawa, Kanbaru, sisters, and even Senjoughara. |
JumBoRGiNo said: Thank you smug faced Souma avatar guy ;)LoneWizard said: i still dont understand why this would be horrifying?Its a fact that Senjougahara felt "something" for Kaiki back then when she was younger...Just try to empathise,you had to interact with your first love when you are in a relationship...She did not cheat or did something bad...Her feelings for Araragi is clear so it doesnt matter if she felt a little bit emotion for Kaiki And please keep in mind how Araragi feel for Hanekawa,i think its pretty similar.He felt something for her but it was not good to call it love... yup totally agree with u post from 2 years ago with a dancing gandalf gif pic. Araragi kisses 10s and thousands of lolis and its ok but NO WHEN SENJOUGAHARA SHOWS A LITTLE BIT OF PAST EMOTION TOWARDS KAIKI ITS HORRIBLE AND SHES CHEATING yeah fuck off internet drink bleach. |
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| Never liked her in the first place, because her only personality is liking staplers. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
Romeo said: only for people who have finished watching this anime there will be no "TL;DR".. so if it's too long for you, simply stay out of this topic :) -------------------------- So.. let me get straight to the point. After finishing the last arc (Hitagi End) a few days ago.. I'm really disappointed by the "development" of Senjougahara. This season i found her to be extremely weak, cheap and dishonest towards Araragi, and there are a couple of reasons for that. 1) There were still like 74 days or so left before their graduation (enough time to come up with a plan), but she still chose to call and meet Kaiki (a man she supposedly hates). 2) She doesn't tell Araragi that she's going to meet him. She hides that fact from him. She looks for absurd reasons that would justify that.. obviously he wouldn't just go berserk and kill him, we've seen that. And Senjougahara knew that. 3) She made it abundantly clear that she's willing to sell her body in order to earn enough money so Kaiki will save her "beloved" Araragi. I'm sure Araragi would have been extremely happy about that.. I know she was almost raped once, but that doesn't make this offer somehow tragically romantic.. she'd just be a simple whore. And she knows that Araragi wouldn't be happy about that. She'd just lie to him and be happy about having saved Araragi in such a way. Even after Kaiki refuses, throughout the arc.. she keeps bringing it up and without being asked.. she just keeps saying: "I'm willing to do anything" // "I'm prepared to do anything". Pretty pathetic and cheap. 4) Even if meant as a joke, she was still flirting with him. a) Kaiki calls: "I have a question" --> "I'm wearing blue underwear" b) Senjougahara: "How does it feel to have total control over a high school girl//high school girl's body?" + all the other conversations + meetings with him - all behind Araragi's back 5) She led Araragi to believe that Kaiki is simply an evil person.. and that she simply hates him from the bottom of her heart. That is clearly not the case. It wasn't a relationship, but there was clearly something between them when Senjougahara met Kaiki for the first time. She had feelings for him (and so did he). She's also dishonest towards Araragi in making him believe that he is her first love. Which also isn't true. She simply lies and hides all that from him. + let's not forget that she said something along the lines of: "Kaiki, I feel lonely knowing that this is going to be our last conversation" **** 6) Before he's going to Sengoku to tell her that Araragi etc. died, Kaiki and Senjougahara have one more phone call. He doesn't need any information, he's not asking for anything. And still, she asks Kaiki: "Do you want to see/meet me one last time?" We don't exactly know what's being implied here, but there are 2 possibilities. a) They'd simply go to the café again and talk. b) If he said so, she was willing to spend the night with him. Why do I think that "b" would also be a possibility? - First.. the way she asked him was kind of weird.. Something was definitely being implied there. - Senjougahara lied the whole time and was dishonest towards Araragi in this arc. Clearly we don't know what she's truly capable of. and most important of all.. it's because of something she said to Araragi (it was in Nisemonogatari, i believe) Back then.. she told Araragi that she doesn't think of sleeping with someone else as betrayal/cheating. Or that she doesn't think of it as something unforgivable or bad. She would just not allow him to fall in love with someone else, that's something she couldn't forgive. That's what she thinks about it. Those are her beliefs. Therefore it doesn't just apply to Araragi, but also to her as well. **** ----------------- Obviously it's just an anime, but it's a place to discuss anime.. so I figured: "Why not make a topic and see what other people think about the "development" of this particular character. Before all this she was actually my favorite character in Monogatari.. by far That was an honest observation of what happened there. The clear cut answer to that is Hitagi is a conman & a liar like Kaiki. Araragi is even aware of this fact. -------------------------- Araragi to Hitagi "Liar! Are you a conman too!" There was not even a notion of a joke. He was very serious when he said this. Of course he get shocked when Hitagi says something that is shocking like "Be gentle to me tonight" but that is just normal. On that note, we all have seen the VAMPIRE PUNCH that Shinobu has. We should keep that in mind before assuming that Araragi&Hitagi (or any other girls) ever kissed,make-out, or even make-love. We all have seen how Shinobu tortured/harassed Nadeko to keep her hands off Araragi. She even went Yandere when she tried to eat Nadeko. I tell you Shinobu/Kissshot is very possessive. She got him tied to a point where he could not even buy hentai manga. You could see that Araragi is not in any way sexually attracted to Hitagi nor he is willing to marry her. Those COLD SWEATS are a giveaway. He is in just for the thrill! You can say that their relationship itself is one big con-job. The only flaw is that Araragi is not good at pretending. "I love everything about this girl!" & "I love you" is nothing but a farce. Hitagi to Araragi : "You seem to have forgotten to fulfill your obvious duty." What duty is that exactly? Her BOYFRIEND/LOVER. Has not been in a date in months. How is that even possible for two lovers? --------------------- They are both tsunderes but action speak louder than words. They can fool us with words so you are right examining them using their actions. We can say that we are being conned by Kaiki&Hitagi pretending to hate each other but in our backs they are certainly closet LOVERS. About hating her! There is no reason to hate her, she is just doing her part! In fact we should commend her for doing such fine job being a conman and all. Araragi, on the other hand, is a draw back for her because he is not good at pretending/acting. |
FrEaKaZoIdIaNMay 3, 2017 9:46 PM
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| i dont need to watch whole season to see that she got short hair.. fuck this |
| So, can anyone who read the novels explain what's the relationship beetween Kaiki and Hitagi? And why was she meeting him in secret and flirting with him ? Also I heard that Araragi and they broke up couple of time, was that Kaiki's fault also? |
Romeo said: **** 6) Before he's going to Sengoku to tell her that Araragi etc. died, Kaiki and Senjougahara have one more phone call. He doesn't need any information, he's not asking for anything. And still, she asks Kaiki: "Do you want to see/meet me one last time?" We don't exactly know what's being implied here, but there are 2 possibilities. a) They'd simply go to the café again and talk. b) If he said so, she was willing to spend the night with him. It's obviously B. I'm also disturb that Senjougahara ask Kaiki this. She clearly wants the D. |
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| Never liked Senjougahara. She always act by impulse. I prefer any other Monogatari girl than her. I wanted Mayoi for Araragi. She's the most precious girl in this show. |
| Lol, I always disliked her and never understood what's so great about her but this arc made her just slightly a little bit more likable for me. I still dislike the fact she's with Araragi and that they are supposedly in love while having zero chemistry together. But Hitagi x Kaiki? Oh boy, I can ship that. |
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Romeo said: only for people who have finished watching this anime there will be no "TL;DR".. so if it's too long for you, simply stay out of this topic :) -------------------------- So.. let me get straight to the point. After finishing the last arc (Hitagi End) a few days ago.. I'm really disappointed by the "development" of Senjougahara. .......... + let's not forget that she said something along the lines of: "Kaiki, I feel lonely knowing that this is going to be our last conversation" **** 6) Before he's going to Sengoku to tell her that Araragi etc. died, Kaiki and Senjougahara have one more phone call. He doesn't need any information, he's not asking for anything. And still, she asks Kaiki: "Do you want to see/meet me one last time?" We don't exactly know what's being implied here, but there are 2 possibilities. a) They'd simply go to the café again and talk. b) If he said so, she was willing to spend the night with him. Why do I think that "b" would also be a possibility? - First.. the way she asked him was kind of weird.. Something was definitely being implied there. - Senjougahara lied the whole time and was dishonest towards Araragi in this arc. Clearly we don't know what she's truly capable of. and most important of all.. it's because of something she said to Araragi (it was in Nisemonogatari, i believe) Back then.. she told Araragi that she doesn't think of sleeping with someone else as betrayal/cheating. Or that she doesn't think of it as something unforgivable or bad. She would just not allow him to fall in love with someone else, that's something she couldn't forgive. That's what she thinks about it. Those are her beliefs. Therefore it doesn't just apply to Araragi, but also to her as well. **** ----------------- Obviously it's just an anime, but it's a place to discuss anime.. so I figured: "Why not make a topic and see what other people think about the "development" of this particular character. Before all this she was actually my favorite character in Monogatari.. by far I just finished rewatching this whole season and I have to agree with you.... she is cheating on Araragi plain and simple .... she kept in contact with him this whole month from 1st Jan until 1st Feb they kept talking almost every day mostly at night, even on the same day when Senjougahara and her dad visited Araragi House and met his parents for the introduction of the families because it was a serious relation between Araragi and Senjougahara .... Yet Senjougahara had that phone call with Kaiki during that visit. Even the anime staff, Nishio Ishin and director they wanted to convey to viewers that idea that Senjougahara Hitagi being unfaithful towards Araragi Go check Epsiode 25 at 11 min 13 sec: That's the sign they put below during Hitagi last call to Kaiki when she mentioned she wanna give him something in thanks and and she said "You want to meet me one last time?"  So after seen that sign there is no room for speculation. she was cheating Araragi with her ex man that;s why she didn't want to raise any suspicions even when Kaiki asked her to convince Araragi to stop visiting the shrine afterwards. |
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| From what I understood from the first page and this page in this thread, I am pretty sure that it's all due to an unreliable narrator. Honestly I don't know what the fuck NISIO was thinking when he write this. He probably trolled those who can't understand behind context. But seriously, this season already lacked Senjougahara and NISIO making her look bad is really hurting to me. Mfs here start to call her "whore, bitch.." because of this faulty narrator..... On top of this, the Shinobu and Tsubasa wankers start pouring oil over the fire to already make Hitagi look bad is seriously pathetic. Hope, these mfs get their basic education about kaiki and Hitagi relationship and learn how these two girls are below Hitagi in every way possible. |
| Meh, my opinion of her never really changed. She’s ok, but Hanekawa, Shinobu, Yotsugi, and even Sengoku are all miles better than her. |
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| Now that I've read your post, it was kinda pissing me off how she was flirting with him. Even Kaiki was uncomfortable |
I love Monogatari Series |
| After this arc, I won't ship Senjougahara and Araragi as a couple anymore. Hopefully by the end of this series, they split up and she end up with Kaiki because clearly her heart lies with him. That prostituition line was totally unexpected from her, my respect for her has clearly fallen. |
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| Never liked her and never understood the reason why people like her either. Not even a little bit. She is not interesting to watch and her personality is absolute garbage. Being an abusive b*tch isn't attractive or charming. If she was a real person I'd have hold back the urge to punch her in the face. |
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