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Oct 21, 2009 9:25 PM

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A little slower than the first movie, but good nonetheless. Greater character development in this one, and it does have great, well development and realistic characters this series.
This movie is a compilation of the TV series Mobile Suit Gundam.
Modified by Veethorn, Oct 21, 2016 10:10 AM
Dec 5, 2010 11:25 AM

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I remember Amuro's crush on Matilda being the only time that I almost liked Amuro. Same this time round.

Still don't like Amuro though
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Feb 25, 2011 1:55 AM

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This part shure was better than the first one and despite not being too interesting,i think it wasn't at all a waste of time."Old,but gold." like people say.
Pheefa said:

Still don't like Amuro though

Tell me about it...such a nerve-wrecking wimp he is.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war".
Mar 28, 2011 2:32 PM

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I enjoyed this so much more than the first movie because it put the characters, particularly Amuro, Kai, and Sayla, at the forefront. I think the idea of Amuro leaving White Base in the beginning was kind of ridiculous. But, thankfully, that didn't last long. From then on, it was very good, if slightly rushed.

I dislike, however, how little Char was in this film. Hell, he didn't appear until over an hour into it and was still only in the movie for what? 15 minutes? I kind of wonder why he is considered as an anime icon, as he hasn't really done much these two movies.

Anyway, I'll give this an 8/10.
Modified by Ston3_FreeN7, Mar 28, 2011 2:35 PM
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May 31, 2011 3:13 PM

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Kai is so silly, hiding a girl on board even though he knows she's a spy. At least he's more motivated now.

I too found this movie to be more entertaining than the first. The only thing I didn't like are those little kids who are just plain annoying. I was looking forward to getting rid of them at that base, but no :|
Modified by Monochrome, May 31, 2011 4:31 PM
Apr 5, 2012 11:21 PM
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Definitely liked this movie more than the first. Also share the same feelings about Amuro as I thought he matured a lot during the 1st movie towards the end but then pulls off some real annoying stuff at the beginning, etc.
Great cliff hanger at the end to set up the third movie.
Oct 17, 2012 10:18 AM
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This movie is a huge improvement compared to the first movie, which was a complete disaster. The thing is, they changed the story so much from the TV series in introducing the Newtype so early that the moral ambiguity of the TV series is completely lost here, since now everytime they send the crew mostly conformed of kids to extremely dangerous missions they have the excuse of doing that because they are "Newtypes", something it didn't exist in the original. Also, in the TV series it was hard sometimes to say who was really the enemy, since most of the higher-ups hated the White-base and clearly said so. That was also removed from the movie.
One strange thing is why they decided to keep some useless things (like the Mirai's bath scene and the kids discovering the bombs) when a lot more important material was left out.
But in my opinion, even though this movie is good and even recommended to see if you have watched the original since a lot of explanation of what the Federation thinks of the Newtypes is new, this movie is no substitute for the TV series since so much of the story was changed that some people may even argue that it's a completely different story now.
Jun 19, 2013 1:03 AM

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Yeah this scene was nicely done
Jan 6, 2014 3:36 AM

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Shinji is like amuro on crack
Dec 12, 2014 10:34 AM

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Lovely. These movies manage to cut off all the needless fluff from the story, while focusing on the best moments.

The ending scene was hype as fuck.
Sep 9, 2015 11:08 PM

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I've lost count on how many times Amuro got slapped.
Jan 20, 2016 3:38 PM

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While the story told in the movie should be really engaging, it suffers from various little things:
A bit confusing at times (Ryu's sortie before his death...).
Matilda's death lacks emotion (well, to be sincere, The Origin also did leave me almost emotionless about it).
Tachi does not "exist", we see merely his head when he dies.
The way the movie tries too hard to hammer you the "Newtype" idea in the head. (I don't know about the TV show but The Origin succeed to convey the idea without the need to repeat the term so often.
The battle of Odessa should not have been skipped like that but rather remade.

I am glad Kai got some spotlight time, I was not expecting it because of the format. It also serves the bigger view of Gundam (to talk about the war).
The fact the Federation looks down on the Whigte Base is a bit soften but at least is more visible than in the first movie where it was totally removed.
Of course, almost every event that occured in this part was interesting, making "Soldiers of Sorrow" looking superior to the previous introductory chapter.

Enjoyment: 5/5
Score: 8/10
Modified by Rei366, Oct 9, 2016 7:14 AM
Jul 23, 2016 2:21 PM

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Indeed, soldiers of sorrow.

The Ramba Ral part of the anime is my favorite.
Jul 23, 2016 2:21 PM

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GundamInfo have it up until September 21st
Jan 15, 2017 12:24 PM

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It's hard to believe that in the next movie gonna end the story, it feels on half way.
Jan 7, 2018 6:55 AM

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I'm really confused why we spent so much time with Kai :p especially when we could have seen more Ryu so it would be more significant when we lost him. I didn't remember Matilda being so prominent in the series, but I guess it just seems abnormal because of all the other stuff that was stripped away.

Obvi better than movie 1, but I get the feeling 3 will blow this out of the water.
Yesterday, 8:13 PM

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This was certainly better than the first movie, that's for sure. It wasn't drastically better, but I found myself enjoying this film significantly more than its predecessor. I'm not sure if it is because the characters had more development or the worldbuilding began coming together, but I do believe this to be better. Of course, words mean nothing unless you can back them up, so how about we get into the why. Why was this film better than the first? What did it do right? Wrong? I'll try my best to express my thought process behind what it improved upon, what it didn't, and why my final score is still, relatively speaking, low.

When I typed my discussion comment yesterday, I began by explaining what parts of the first film I enjoyed, mainly because I enjoyed fewer aspects of the film than I disliked. This time, thankfully, the opposite holds true, so I will begin with what I didn't enjoy about Mobile Suit Gundam II: Soldiers of Sorrow (which is a super dope name, by the way). Firstly, some aspects of this film just outright didn't improve over its predecessors, such as the overall animation quality and production values. I won't take this into serious consideration though, because as @Rei366 directed me towards yesterday (or today?), this was technically produced on the budget of a TV show, so I should correspondingly review it as one (which is a totally fair point to make and an oversight on my part). So in much simpler terms, the film still looks like a TV show from the 70s. What else did I not like? Well, I personally didn't enjoy the lack of information that was given to me, the viewer. One could correctly make the assertion that this is simply because of time constraints. Personally, I wonder if a fourth film would have been a viable option. By having another 2.5 hours to work with, more information could have been presented to the viewer, such as my biggest question right now: "Where did all of the refugees go?" I think I remember a fleeting exchange saying they would take some of the refugees, but I don't remember one about all leaving the White Base. Why and where did they all go? Seriously, this is legitimately bothering me. Was that in the original TV show? Most of the characters are still quite cookie cutter as well; there haven't been many improvements in that department. However, I still believe the "character" department to have improved from the first to the second movie, and I'll get more into that later. The movie was a tad bit slow at times, in my opinion. I found myself yawning and getting bored here and there, but it wasn't painfully boring or anything of the sort.

Now let's get positive! Let's dive into what I enjoyed about this movie. Firstly, everything good about its predecessor carried over. Fights, character designs (the various different Gundam designs here were awesome as well), the stuff of that sort was fine-great (broad range, I know). The Gundam's design is still the coolest part of the show, but it will be difficult to top that. The lore took more of a backseat here in favor of some new form of human called a Newtype, which apparently didn't even exist in this part of the movie during the TV show. From my understanding, Newtypes play a large role in the later Gundam universe (or something like that) but they were only brought up in the last eight episodes of the TV show, give or take. So they brought them here super early for it to make more sense, which seems to have been a good move. I particularly enjoyed the psychological effect being dubbed a Newtype brought, such as Kai sarcastically calling Amuro a Newtype. The soundtrack noticeably improved, with some old fashioned Japanese songs actually making me bump to the rhythm. Nothing even close to memorable, but there were no bad tracks. Voice acting seems to have slightly improved, with Bright and Char giving the best performances (they sound the like the most experienced voice actors, to be fair). The children were annoying as fuck, though. Isn't that a skimpy outfit for a child like that? I digress. Let me delve into what this movie did drastically better than the first: Character development. Two characters, in particular, got a shit-ton of development in this movie: Amuro and Kai. Let's start with Kai. Kai was completely a black horse for me. I hated him as soon as he originally showed up in the first movie, and I hated him for most of this one too, until he got his little arc with Miharu. Suddenly, after that arc, his character became more likable, relatable, and grounded. That kind of development was unexpected and awesome to see. Amuro got some good stuff here as well. It feels like some of his development was cut out following his return to the White Base (as in they accepted his return too fast for someone that effectively deserted) but his development on and off the White Base made him quite a good protagonist. Unfortunately, Char wasn't mentioned much here, except for an apparent grudge he holds against the Zabis, but he's listed as a main character for the third movie so I'm sure we will see more of him there.

To conclude this essay, this movie made a noticeable, but not significant, improvement over its predecessor. Things are finally starting to come together, and I'm interested to see how this movie trilogy will conclude. If it is able to maintain this upward slope, I think I can expect great things not only from the third movie but from the Gundam franchise in its entirety. I give Mobile Suit Gundam II: Soldiers of Sorrow a 6/10.