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| I didn't even mention all the other art problems... The one I only saw and had in mind the whole time was this one of Luna... |
| They are just lacking so much in personality. Kinda surprised they kept the kiss, but anyway I just want it to move along into the meat of the story. Wtf is going on with the animation also...that one shot of Motoki and Umino. And how Jupiter's shoulders were moving at the end...Terrible. edit: This is what Rei is supposed to be like http://mangapark.com/manga/sailor-moon/s1/v1/c4/9?zoom=1 |
fiddle_shnibsAug 16, 2014 4:44 PM
| the ep was ok. Kotono sounded flirty at the end. Like I said before, I think Crystal will really shine, or i'll see its true direction, when all five senshi appear. mm, what are they trying to do to Jadeite?!?! they're going to get offed in the final battle? Jupiter! |
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insan3Spectre said: As for Tuxedo Mask kissing Usagi. I think it's more that he can't help but kiss her. There is a reason why the two of them have a very much instant attraction to one another whenever they meet. So, no, him kissing her when she is asleep doesn't really bother me in this context. Calling it "rape" kind of seems like a misinterpretation of the events in my eyes. Two things. If it wasn't Mamoru and one of the Generals fell in love with Sailor Moon at first sight and couldn't help but to kiss her, would you still feel the same way? And before you say, "Yeah, but they're the bad guys," at the moment no one in the Sailor Moon Crystal universe is actually yet certain whether or not Mamoru is a good or bad guy. He may be a guy with good intentions who prioritizes his own goals. Secondly, despite Usagi's swooning, Mamoru doesn't know if Usagi likes him back or if she actually wants to be kissed. So he kissed a sleeping girl because he felt compelled to do so, not because he considered for a second how she may feel. Just because a guy loves a woman so much that he can't help but to kiss her, doesn't make it right or any less creepy to do so. He can kiss her romantically next time she's awake so she at least has the option to move forward or pull back. What I'm trying to say is that Mamoru kissing Usagi in her sleep is not a positive message to send to the audience. There are enough creepers at anime conventions and anime clubs as it is without easily-influenced people getting the wrong idea from a remake of one of the most popular series of all time. I'm glad Luna jumped in and I wish she had done it sooner. Morridine said: Squallina said: - "We'll get that Silver Crystal from you girls, just not while it's the four of us against the three of you. We don't like those odds so we'll just run off now. I'm sure if that thing really is the Crystal we'll come back and get it when there're even more of you." LOL and you didn't figure yet out that NOBODY has the Silver Crystal yet so that's why they didn't take it now? Jesus, people, sometimes I really believe you post just because you like to find each and every so called weak point, even when it isn't the case. I mean really. I must have missed the part where they figured out what was in the box before the Scouts did. Even so, threatening the enemy (who are lesser in number than you) after happily boasting about how powerful you are and then running off seems dodgy to me. "We're unhurt and all powerful! Bye." Also, if I wanted to really pick on this episode, I would have mentioned something about Usagi's "Imma firin mah lazer". But I let that one slide. |
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Squallina said: Two things. If it wasn't Mamoru and one of the Generals fell in love with Sailor Moon at first sight and couldn't help but to kiss her, would you still feel the same way? And before you say, "Yeah, but they're the bad guys," at the moment no one in the Sailor Moon Crystal universe is actually yet certain whether or not Mamoru is a good or bad guy. He may be a guy with good intentions who prioritizes his own goals. Secondly, despite Usagi's swooning, Mamoru doesn't know if Usagi likes him back or if she actually wants to be kissed. So he kissed a sleeping girl because he felt compelled to do so, not because he considered for a second how she may feel. Just because a guy loves a woman so much that he can't help but to kiss her, doesn't make it right or any less creepy to do so. He can kiss her romantically next time she's awake so she at least has the option to move forward or pull back. What I'm trying to say is that Mamoru kissing Usagi in her sleep is not a positive message to send to the audience. There are enough creepers at anime conventions and anime clubs as it is without easily-influenced people getting the wrong idea from a remake of one of the most popular series of all time. I'm glad Luna jumped in and I wish she had done it sooner. No, it wouldn't have been cool if any other character kissed her because of her and Mamoru's rather "unique" circumstances. I don't know how to talk about this without going into spoiler territory so I'll spoiler tag this: I'll admit that this is coming from someone who is familiar with how things go in this story, I remember being somewhat put off when I first saw this scene in the original anime. But, in proper context, I honestly think it's a somewhat sweet scene. I don't really think it's applicable to real life at all, to be honest. As far as the positive message thing. I'll admit, I'm more worried about them telling a story than considering some creeper guys or whatever. Changing a scene like that would make the adaptation lose a lot of integrity in my eyes. Something that the shoddy animation and artwork at points is already in danger of doing. |
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insan3Spectre said: Squallina said: Two things. If it wasn't Mamoru and one of the Generals fell in love with Sailor Moon at first sight and couldn't help but to kiss her, would you still feel the same way? And before you say, "Yeah, but they're the bad guys," at the moment no one in the Sailor Moon Crystal universe is actually yet certain whether or not Mamoru is a good or bad guy. He may be a guy with good intentions who prioritizes his own goals. Secondly, despite Usagi's swooning, Mamoru doesn't know if Usagi likes him back or if she actually wants to be kissed. So he kissed a sleeping girl because he felt compelled to do so, not because he considered for a second how she may feel. Just because a guy loves a woman so much that he can't help but to kiss her, doesn't make it right or any less creepy to do so. He can kiss her romantically next time she's awake so she at least has the option to move forward or pull back. What I'm trying to say is that Mamoru kissing Usagi in her sleep is not a positive message to send to the audience. There are enough creepers at anime conventions and anime clubs as it is without easily-influenced people getting the wrong idea from a remake of one of the most popular series of all time. I'm glad Luna jumped in and I wish she had done it sooner. No, it wouldn't have been cool if any other character kissed her because of her and Mamoru's rather "unique" circumstances. I don't know how to talk about this without going into spoiler territory so I'll spoiler tag this: I'll admit that this is coming from someone who is familiar with how things go in this story, I remember being somewhat put off when I first saw this scene in the original anime. But, in proper context, I honestly think it's a somewhat sweet scene. I don't really think it's applicable to real life at all, to be honest. As far as the positive message thing. I'll admit, I'm more worried about them telling a story than considering some creeper guys or whatever. Changing a scene like that would make the adaptation lose a lot of integrity in my eyes. Something that the shoddy animation and artwork at points is already in danger of doing. It wouldn't matter if they were married adults. Kissing someone in their sleep is one-sided and a big no-no unless you have both decided in your relationship beforehand that it's ok or he's doing it with the intention of saving her life. It also isn't just about the message it sends to creeper guys. There are creeper girls (and ordinary girls too) who will think this is what love is. I'd just expect more from a 2014 remake of an anime/manga that pretty much defined girl power 20 years ago. Then again, Japan is going through a "female idols at your service" phase and manga lovers care only about how close to the manga it is (even if that means killing off characters and having male leads force themselves on to the female leads), so I should probably just go back to the 90s if I want some girl power out of this franchise. |
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| Tuxedo Mask keeps being without his hat. Does he not have it in this version? Jadeite should have been killed off after last warning/the jet episode. Before this one I think in the originals. Since that didn't happen. (and Jadeite also found out Sailor Moon's identity") I am kinda glad in a way makes it where the evil Queen isn't so blind and just killing off her minions. So I guess I can see why everyone is bothered a bit with that whole part out. |
| hmm i guess the Sailor Senshi will defeat the four kings at the same time then? Then that battle with Queen Beryl in the end. Hope they show the you know what that leads to Beryl's battle. Makoto YAY!!!!! So that means the Seven gems will appear |
| I like the fact its not just one king killed after the next, and that its a group effort good subtle change to make it interesting and that kiss at the end... tuxedo mask is smooth ♥ |
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| Am I the only one who isn't bothered with the art problems? Anyway, good episode. I couldn't help but go kya kya during the Usagi x Mamoru scenes. They're just that drawn to each other and they can't help it (it's inevitable). I can't help but laugh at the Four Kings trying to talk smack. "We'll get the crystal and you can't stop us." Right...like if anyone was keeping scores, you'd be at 0-4 now in favor of the Sailor Guardians but you're still talking big haha. Love their hair though. Makoto next week yay! Next to Rei, she's my favorite. Hearing Koshimizu Ami's deep badass voice makes it even better. Can't wait! |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
xchee said: Am I the only one who isn't bothered with the art problems? nope, I don't even notice them xchee said: Makoto next week yay! Next to Rei, she's my favorite. Hearing Koshimizu Ami's deep badass voice makes it even better. Can't wait! the oncoming storm....no wait, that title's already taken by The Doctor XD |
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| I enjoyed this episode more than the first three. Nothing has really blown me away yet, but I'm enjoying it so far. The first three episodes had me kind of bored, but I have faith that it'll get better, partly because I find Usagi somewhat grating, which I won't mind as much once we have the other sailor senshis on screen. Note: I'm going in cold on this series, since I never read the manga, and I don't remember very much of the original anime series, since I watched that ages ago in my childhood. Whoa, Makoto's voice is really deep and mature-sounding. Not sure how I feel about it yet, but it sure caught me off guard... |
nauticalblueAug 16, 2014 11:25 PM
| Honestly the episode was alright, now the generals have shown themselves and that's it, I wasn't interested until the last 30 seconds. next episode, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKO~CHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| finally makoto !! now we must wait for 3 weeks ? that's okay I guess the problem in the art is acceptable (for me) but still, I'm still disturbed I want to know the different between the BD version and the original version |
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xchee said: Am I the only one who isn't bothered with the art problems? No your not the only one, it takes a while to adjust tho especially if you grew up watching sailor moon but i think a lot of people are exaggerating |
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| very good episode, just the prob was the proportions of Usagi as princess in the party (never had problem with the art of the episodes since was minor details but here was pretty notable).... talking of princess, Umeno really share the same glasses with the princess D... and the kiss steal!! x3 and LAAAZOOR MOOOON btw my reaction when the kings appeared in the roof lol xD |
amare135 said: Fai said: I am not waiting for the next story arcs. Not waiting at all. Considering shit like this was freaking tame in comparison of next stuff. and I am now 100% sure TOEI won't handle it well at all. AS star wars proves. Even creators have bad ideas. THis is a bad idea. What makes it a bad idea? They're basically IMPROVING the mangas main weakness, and that's weak underdeveloped villains. I'm not sure why developing characters more is a bad idea. Add flashbacks, give more screentime BEFORE that plot point, but don't change the plot point itself. Jadeite not being killed changes the whole tone of the work AND completely changes the senshi characterization. What they did was the same as if G.Lucas would remake Star Wars and instead of normal death of Obi Wan, would just decide to let him live and have Vader fail, so he can "expand" the character. |
AhenshihaelAug 17, 2014 2:42 AM
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| Good episode, my boyhood anime crush next episode sadly the nostalgia train end here for me. |
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Squallina said: "She's so pretty when she's sleeping. I think I'll just kiss her." (For the record, this isn't romantic - it's a form of rape. Squallina said: It wouldn't matter if they were married adults. Kissing someone in their sleep is one-sided and a big no-no unless you have both decided in your relationship beforehand that it's ok Ahahaha.. oh, wait, you're serious. Oh My God, I raped my husband so many times... Seriously? Kissing = Rape? This is more than exaggerated. This is paranoid and sick... xchee said: Am I the only one who isn't bothered with the art problems? I honestly don't notice any of them, until I read about them on these topics. But some of them are quite funny in the screenshots. Sailor Moon got a new tiara, but the other two felt kind of useless here. Makoto's voice in the preview... I feel that I'm gonna love her. Three weeks? I'm gonna go cry in a corner now... |
| omg, so many sexy moment >< My fanboy feelings are over the top. Sent with Mal Updater |
Adellaeda said: Squallina said: "She's so pretty when she's sleeping. I think I'll just kiss her." (For the record, this isn't romantic - it's a form of rape. Squallina said: It wouldn't matter if they were married adults. Kissing someone in their sleep is one-sided and a big no-no unless you have both decided in your relationship beforehand that it's ok Ahahaha.. oh, wait, you're serious. Oh My God, I raped my husband so many times... Seriously? Kissing = Rape? This is more than exaggerated. This is paranoid and sick... Yes, performing sexual advances on someone without their consent IS a form of rape. |
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Fai said: Yes, performing sexual advances on someone without their consent IS a form of rape. That moment was actually pretty creepy. |
| Well I llike this one. Waiting 3 weeks for jupiter is totally hidoi. I can't see any reason behind it. Is it so difficult to air a new episode once a week?! In 3 weeks I will forget this anime is airing. how stupid |
| I know that in last week's thread I said that was my favorite episode so far, but I change my mind. This is my absolute favorite episode! So much better than how it was done in the first anime. Mamoru's character is so much more intense, passionate, romantic and just the right amount of snarky. I loooooove him here. AMAZING episode! silverwalls said: huh, seems they really let jadeite alive instead of killing him like in the manga :/ dunno how i should feel about that.. otherwise it was a nice episode, i guess. They made a lot of little changes from the anime to the manga in this episode. I don't think it's a problem at all. I enjoyed the changes! It's an ADAPTION, it's not a the manga. I feel like if that's all people are interested in... then just go read the manga. Why bother watching an anime? From here on out there will be more and more deviations from the source material. The anime is going to become its own thing eventually. I am excited to see what happens. I love how they stayed true to the characterizations in the manga and the more melancholy atmosphere it takes on. I love the introduction to the shitennou and I can't wait to see why they kept Jadeite around. |
-Resident- said: Vongole said: I thought it was funny how the Kunzite guy threatened the heroines of world domination and the heroines quickly forgot abt said threat aft seeing Princess D's real eyes lolwut I used to swoon over the tuxedo mask guy but after this ep I'm just irritated with him. He keeps appearing out of nowhere, stole a kiss from the sleeping Usagi-chan(which I find unforgivable) and then gave mixed messages abt being a friend or foe...like what's his deal..-.- That was the best part of the episode for me. I have mixed feelings over Mamoru now too. Didn't expect him to kiss Usagi so early either. Episode 4 in the anime = Act 4 in the manga. It was done the same way, except Luna did not interrupt! He kisses her just as early on in there. It think it's obvious that he's already madly in love with her and she's already in love with him. To me, Usagi seems to be in love with both Mamoru and Tuxedo Mask without even realizing it. I like that! Of course, Mamoru already knows that they're both the same. Fai said: certainly implies Usagi as a bisexual. No it did not. I would not say that Usagi is sexually attracted to women, so she's not bisexual. However, she does love good looking people and gets excited whenever she meets a pretty girl. But... does she want to date Rei or Ami? Nope. |
SayNOtoIncestAug 17, 2014 6:24 AM
frozenmir said: Well I llike this one. Waiting 3 weeks for jupiter is totally hidoi. I can't see any reason behind it. Is it so difficult to air a new episode once a week?! In 3 weeks I will forget this anime is airing. how stupid Yeah it's stupid... Dunno why, but somehow I think, that SMC is bimonthly, because the animators are working on other Animes in the meantime and because the show is ONA and doesn't get money for commercial etc. + their low budget does have an influence on the process altogether. At least makes sense. No idea though, if thats the reason. |
RaffAug 17, 2014 6:37 AM
| The "rape kiss" discussion going on in here... I think it's actually absurd. "Usagi" or any woman who is kissed while she is asleep has her own agency and can advocate for herself if necessary. If someone says I kiss my husband or he kisses me tons of times while we're sleeping... how do people think they have the right to say it's wrong or some type of sexual assault? Way too overzealous. Obviously that poster is saying that she CONSENTS to being kissed while sleeping. It's not a big deal. As far as the anime goes... would Usagi have a problem with that kiss? Would she feel like she was raped? If yes, then I see why it would be an issue. If not then... people are just making much ado about nothing. The scene was supposed to depict "Endymion" kissing "Serenity." That the love they had all those years ago is still alive. Usagi's thoughts about remembering those "sweet lips" are a pretty strong hint that it wasn't a "rape kiss" and she enjoyed it. She wasn't like "eww, no! Why is this happening to me?" |
SayNOtoIncest said: The "rape kiss" discussion going on in here... I think it's actually absurd. "Usagi" or any woman who is kissed while she is asleep has her own agency and can advocate for herself if necessary. If someone says I kiss my husband or he kisses me tons of times while we're sleeping... how do people think they have the right to say it's wrong or some type of sexual assault? Way too overzealous. Obviously that poster is saying that she CONSENTS to being kissed while sleeping. It's not a big deal. As far as the anime goes... would Usagi have a problem with that kiss? Would she feel like she was raped? If yes, then I see why it would be an issue. If not then... people are just making much ado about nothing. The scene was supposed to depict "Endymion" kissing "Serenity." That the love they had all those years ago is still alive. Usagi's thoughts about remembering those "sweet lips" are a pretty strong hint that it wasn't a "rape kiss" and she enjoyed it. She wasn't like "eww, no! Why is this happening to me?" The problem with this is that no one can say no while they're asleep. You're assuming that they want it. What if they really don't? You'd never actually know because they're not awake to tell you. Someone might like being tickled or massaged or hugged while they're awake - that doesn't mean you can instantly assume they like being tickled or massaged or hugged while they're asleep. Sometimes even married couples will say or imply with body language, "I'm a bit too tired for any sort of intimacy tonight." Should the person who wants to be intimate then be intimate anyway because they love their partner and feel like doing it anyway? Would you want your partner doing that to you after a long day when you're exhausted and you just want to sleep? The facts are as follows: - Despite a certain attraction they feel towards each other, at the present Usagi and Mamoru don't know each other - Despite having been lovers in a past life, they are not currently in any kind of relationship - Usagi was dead tired - Mamoru is neither friend nor foe at this point - Mamoru took advantage of Usagi while she was asleep and did so for his own satisfaction, not hers - She may have enjoyed Mamoru's company and enjoyed dreaming of being kissed by him, but she did not consent to being kissed by him in reality and had no way of stopping it even if she didn't want to be kissed just yet This is wrong. This is a mild form of sexual abuse, but it is sexual abuse nonetheless and should not be encouraged. Edit: Just wanted to add, what if she did want to be kissed? What if she wanted to remember being kissed? Mamoru just cheated her out of what might have been a pleasant experience and memory for her, but allowed himself to have that experience. Yes, I'm sure there'll be more kissing later if and when the two get together, but for the moment Mamoru stole a kiss from her because he felt like it and she had zero say in the matter and no real memory of it. I do understand the romantic nature of the material, but this particular scene is sending the wrong message. There are viewers out there that now believe or have had their beliefs reinforced about stolen kisses being romantic, even if the person being kissed has had no chance to say yes or no on the matter. |
SquallinaAug 17, 2014 7:22 AM
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inlaynocturne said: Quality. that made me lol. thanks =p |
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| Oh... looks like there's some difference between the manga and anime plot already They are showing more of the 4 Generals compared to the manga too. I think this is looking great so far. I'm hoping there'll be a flashback of their past with the sailor senshi Sailor Jupiter will be introduced in the next episode. The preview of her transformation sequence looks awesome!! Eagerly awaiting that and Sailor Venus' appearance. Why can't they make this a weekly anime instead of a fortnightly one? Must. have. patience..... |
zanpakutoflames said: Why can't they make this a weekly anime instead of a fortnightly one? Must. have. patience..... sailor moon seems to be a very low priority for TOEI, which is a shame. they seem to be focusing their resources on the pretty cure series instead (which i heard is pretty popular) |
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Usagi got raped and General Tao flies away on a tree. Anime logic is so mind-boggling. They obviously love each other. In the end they were even lovers in their past life. DreamingBeats said: zanpakutoflames said: Why can't they make this a weekly anime instead of a fortnightly one? Must. have. patience..... sailor moon seems to be a very low priority for TOEI, which is a shame. they seem to be focusing their resources on the pretty cure series instead (which i heard is pretty popular) Indeed. That's what I'm thinking too. Additional with the low budget stuff Toei doing it by the way with other series. Hope remains, that the Blu-ray version will be remastered, since they get some profit from these. |
RaffAug 17, 2014 8:32 AM
| Guys you are fun to read (^0^) 1. What's so bad in that kiss. Do you react the same when a beautiful prince kisses a sleeping beauty? Is your mind so very corrupted as to create things like that? I guess we are all adults and see dirtier moments at times, even in real life. 2. Anyway thanks for sharing your opinions, I wouldn't even know a kiss could be called a rape. The conclusion: never sleep alone in public places! 3. Every single episode causes lots of people complaining on fails in arts. I do agree 100%. As I said earlier I don't know whether I'd like this anime if I didn't adore it years ago. It's like they show us only "beautiful" pictures without any character development. The girls are empty. 4. And then comes another disappointment. 3 weeks waiting for an ep.(- -) |
Squallina said: The problem with this is that no one can say no while they're asleep. You're assuming that they want it. What if they really don't? You'd never actually know because they're not awake to tell you. Someone might like being tickled or massaged or hugged while they're awake - that doesn't mean you can instantly assume they like being tickled or massaged or hugged while they're asleep. Sometimes even married couples will say or imply with body language, "I'm a bit too tired for any sort of intimacy tonight." Should the person who wants to be intimate then be intimate anyway because they love their partner and feel like doing it anyway? Would you want your partner doing that to you after a long day when you're exhausted and you just want to sleep? The facts are as follows: - Despite a certain attraction they feel towards each other, at the present Usagi and Mamoru don't know each other - Despite having been lovers in a past life, they are not currently in any kind of relationship - Usagi was dead tired - Mamoru is neither friend nor foe at this point - Mamoru took advantage of Usagi while she was asleep and did so for his own satisfaction, not hers - She may have enjoyed Mamoru's company and enjoyed dreaming of being kissed by him, but she did not consent to being kissed by him in reality and had no way of stopping it even if she didn't want to be kissed just yet This is wrong. This is a mild form of sexual abuse, but it is sexual abuse nonetheless and should not be encouraged. Edit: Just wanted to add, what if she did want to be kissed? What if she wanted to remember being kissed? Mamoru just cheated her out of what might have been a pleasant experience and memory for her, but allowed himself to have that experience. Yes, I'm sure there'll be more kissing later if and when the two get together, but for the moment Mamoru stole a kiss from her because he felt like it and she had zero say in the matter and no real memory of it. I do understand the romantic nature of the material, but this particular scene is sending the wrong message. There are viewers out there that now believe or have had their beliefs reinforced about stolen kisses being romantic, even if the person being kissed has had no chance to say yes or no on the matter. I do understand what you're saying to a certain extent. But, I see that your mind is made up regardless. Even if Usagi would have no problem with him kissing her (which... I think we all know that she would not), then it's still something negative. Regardless... Mamoru will be in the wrong. I'm looking at the CONTEXT. Most women/girls would not like to be kissed by some random stranger. People can't run around kissing people who are unaware and without consent. That is molestation. But... how is that comparable to this situation? The CONTEXT tells me that they're already in love and drawn to each other. It's not a kiss between a pervert who is looking to take advantage of an unconscious girl... it's a kiss between two lovers who have been reunited and having inklings of their memories together. Do you honestly think Usagi (if she were real) would say that she feels like Mamoru kissing her was an act of sexual abuse in that situation? |
frozenmir said: 1. What's so bad in that kiss. Do you react the same when a beautiful prince kisses a sleeping beauty? I actually dislike Disney's Snow White and Sleeping Beauty for the exact same reason. In context, the princes are saving the princesses' lives with kisses. In real life, it is reinforcing the notion that it's perfectly okay for men to kiss women in their sleep without their consent. SayNOtoIncest said: I do understand what you're saying to a certain extent. But, I see that your mind is made up regardless. Even if Usagi would have no problem with him kissing her (which... I think we all know that she would not), then it's still something negative. Regardless... Mamoru will be in the wrong. I'm looking at the CONTEXT. Most women/girls would not like to be kissed by some random stranger. People can't run around kissing people who are unaware and without consent. That is molestation. But... how is that comparable to this situation? The CONTEXT tells me that they're already in love and drawn to each other. It's not a kiss between a pervert who is looking to take advantage of an unconscious girl... it's a kiss between two lovers who have been reunited and having inklings of their memories together. Do you honestly think Usagi (if she were real) would say that she feels like Mamoru kissing her was an act of sexual abuse in that situation? The context is fine - I'm rooting for them. It's the subliminal message it's giving the viewers. "As long as you love someone, it's fine to push yourself onto them." Why couldn't he have kissed her under the umbrella when she was wide awake, gazing lovingly into his eyes and able to kiss him back or pull away from him if she wasn't quite ready? Is he only capable of stealing kisses? Can he only kiss girls when they're asleep? While there are people who probably enjoy the thought of someone attractive or someone they're in love with kissing them in their sleep, there are also a number of people who won't like it regardless. Assuming that your partner/crush will like it just because you have the urge to do it is the wrong way to approach the situation. It's the equivalent of hitting on someone (partner or crush) while they're drunk. Even if you're certain they like you and want it, they're not in their right frame of mind and you can't just take advantage of that. For the record, if the roles had been reversed and Usagi had kissed Mamoru in his sleep, I would be saying the exact same thing.  |
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| Sailor Moon Crystal really got the short end of the stick. :( Most reboots of older classics get star treatment -sigh- I still enjoyed it quite a bit though! I don't know why my reactions always seem to be the opposite of the majority. I thought episode 2 and 4 was bad art-wise and 3 a bit better but a lot people think the other way around. Maybe we're looking at different things. |
| Sailor Moon + Tuxedo Mask relationship is such a romanctic one.... at least when they're Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask. When they're Usagi and Mamoru, it's really tsundere alike. Now, I still didn't read the manga, so I'm not sure about what plot differences are you talking about when they show us Jadeite is alive. For me, I really liked this episode and I'm enjoying the series very well! |
 Just like the rest of the show. |
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veluriel said: Discussion of the "kiss scene" under the tag because it's long and kind of boring if you're uninterested in that whole discussion. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. You've made me realize that my vehemence and wording went too far and you've communicated the issues I have with the scene far better than I ever could. I agree with what you've said and how you said it. |
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| It was a meh episode. I feel like they aren't giving the characters as much depth as the first anime did, like Rei and Usagi always fighting ect. Plus I felt like there was sometimes more funny moments. If I had never watched the first one I wouldn't really know much about the characters. & that moon beam, I was like wut o__o |
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