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Sep 1, 2014 5:05 AM

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Minagatachi said:

If Justin Bieber has more fans than Robbie Williams, does that mean Justin Bieber is better? No, and nor does it mean he is worse, it just means that my opinion is that Justin Bieber sucks horse dick, and that Robbie Williams is god.

this explain pretty much about Popularity =/= Quality.
Sep 1, 2014 8:06 PM

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Novalogic said:


No, not subjectively. You could say so if someone stated it about new, or not so popular series but deffinitely not about One Piece.

What a shameless ad populum.
Sep 1, 2014 8:56 PM

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Glad we could agree in the end that One Piece is objectively the best.
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You have to watch them, they form part of the serie.


Sep 3, 2014 7:42 AM

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jal90 said:
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On the Davy Back Fight...


Very small consequences. I mean fake strawhats was somewhat fillerish... Is that all the arc could bring about? Things that are so irrelevant they could be skipped as well?

Just to compare

I don't see the conclusiveness being the issue here though.
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Sep 3, 2014 4:31 PM

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Very silly comparison if you ask me. In the One Piece world, things are not tightly connected. The scenario is a vast ocean with hundreds of islands in there. When the Straw Hats earn a certain reputation, that means that the marines will make their journey more difficult. But it is very rare to follow their trace, it's extremely rare to have close encounters at sea and therefore, if both parts are not actively searching for it, their encounters will be sporadic. Take into account that the Straw Hats are not interested on causing a riot. The consequences you are asking for seem to fit better the scenario of a direct confrontation. You can't expect a war to happen if one of the sides only appears sporadically and under certain conditions.

On the other hand I insist, the Fake Straw Hats are a measure. They exist because the real crew has gained a reputation after Enies Lobby. And the amount of marine forces they attract is a measure of the relevance the Straw Hats hold for the Government. The direct consequence for the crew is not dealing with their fake versions, it is if anything being unable to stay in the island for longer.
Sep 8, 2014 6:54 PM

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Grunbeld said:
Skip Alabasta and Enies lobby for now.

What!? Skipping alabasta means you won't see Ace's first appearance and skipping Enies means your skipping

For what reason do we have summit war, the best arc in one piece (in my opinion.)?
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Chiyo361 said:
Grunbeld said:
Skip Alabasta and Enies lobby for now.

What!? Skipping alabasta means you won't see Ace's first appearance and skipping Enies means your skipping

For what reason do we have summit war, the best arc in one piece (in my opinion.)?


Also you're skipping Crocodile, completely skipping Robin, skipping awesome memorable fights, etc etc etc.
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Sep 9, 2014 4:29 AM

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I'll just sum it up for everybody: Don't skip a single damn episode in One Piece. It's awesome and fun to watch. Everything adds up together in the end; skipping something means subjecting yourself to confusion when something amazing happens and people are hyped over it.
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Chiyo361 said:
Grunbeld said:
Skip Alabasta and Enies lobby for now.

What!? Skipping alabasta means you won't see Ace's first appearance and skipping Enies means your skipping

For what reason do we have summit war, the best arc in one piece (in my opinion.)?



That's not really part of enies lobby itself....
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Mikasa said:
Chiyo361 said:

What!? Skipping alabasta means you won't see Ace's first appearance and skipping Enies means your skipping

For what reason do we have summit war, the best arc in one piece (in my opinion.)?



That's not really part of enies lobby itself....


Oh, sorry about that. But would anyone watch post enies lobby if they didn't watch enies lobby?
Sep 11, 2014 2:07 PM

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Chiyo361 said:
Mikasa said:



That's not really part of enies lobby itself....


Oh, sorry about that. But would anyone watch post enies lobby if they didn't watch enies lobby?


Absolutely. There is not much to loom forward to in it, naming doesn't have a great effect on it.
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Froliczxc said:
I'll just sum it up for everybody: Don't skip a single damn episode in One Piece. It's awesome and fun to watch. Everything adds up together in the end; skipping something means subjecting yourself to confusion when something amazing happens and people are hyped over it.
This. What episodes aren't relevant to the story at the current moment may be relevant later on. Oda has a nice habit of introducing characters in one arc then bringing them back hundreds of episodes later.
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Sep 13, 2014 2:33 AM

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Mikasa said:
Absolutely. There is not much to loom forward to in it, naming doesn't have a great effect on it.

If we play this reduction to absurdity, that is the same for every arc in the show, so instead of suggesting people to skip arcs, the best thing is suggesting them to not watch the series at all, I mean, why should people care about Luffy and Ace if they don't care about Luffy well enough to follow his adventures...

...but hey, if you find better instead to cut a story in arbitrary pieces (Skypiea has been so far a lot less plot-relevant than Alabasta and Enies Lobby for the overall storyline, by the way), then be it. Just don't make this a suggestion for people who want to know what the show is about.
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jal90 said:
Mikasa said:
Absolutely. There is not much to loom forward to in it, naming doesn't have a great effect on it.

If we play this reduction to absurdity, that is the same for every arc in the show, so instead of suggesting people to skip arcs, the best thing is suggesting them to not watch the series at all, I mean, why should people care about Luffy and Ace if they don't care about Luffy well enough to follow his adventures...

...but hey, if you find better instead to cut a story in arbitrary pieces (Skypiea has been so far a lot less plot-relevant than Alabasta and Enies Lobby for the overall storyline, by the way), then be it. Just don't make this a suggestion for people who want to know what the show is about.


We care enough to follow his good adventures and skip his crappy ones, hence making the show less diluted.

And it seems you're implying that Alabasta/Enies were relevant to begin with.

And I'll suggest whatever I feel may help improve their enjoyment. This thread asked for advice and I chipped in.
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Sep 13, 2014 7:02 AM

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No.

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Mikasa said:
jal90 said:

If we play this reduction to absurdity, that is the same for every arc in the show, so instead of suggesting people to skip arcs, the best thing is suggesting them to not watch the series at all, I mean, why should people care about Luffy and Ace if they don't care about Luffy well enough to follow his adventures...

...but hey, if you find better instead to cut a story in arbitrary pieces (Skypiea has been so far a lot less plot-relevant than Alabasta and Enies Lobby for the overall storyline, by the way), then be it. Just don't make this a suggestion for people who want to know what the show is about.


We care enough to follow his good adventures and skip his crappy ones, hence making the show less diluted.

And it seems you're implying that Alabasta/Enies were relevant to begin with.

And I'll suggest whatever I feel may help improve their enjoyment. This thread asked for advice and I chipped in.

Alabasta and Enies Lobby are connected to the main storyline as long as they affect and force to reorganize the factor that plays the most relevant antagonist role in the series, the World Government and by extension, the marines. Skypiea is a fine adventure but is disconnected from the plot, it had no external consequences and has remained as an experience that only the Straw Hats know about. I've had this discussion before with Grunbeld and I don't think there's anything I should add. It is fine if you don't like the arcs, but in the same way I would never recommend to skip Marineford -which to me is a meh arc- or Fishman Island despite how low my opinion on them is, I simply can't understand when you guys, haters or not, suggest to skip arcs that are long and recognizable enough inside the series and storyline just because you don't like them. I'm not asking you to have the mindset of the fans, but if anything, to be coherent with the linearity of the show. People who miss Alabasta and Enies Lobby would leave many details, explanations and ideas behind through their viewing of One Piece.
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Why would you skip anything, especially the start? What's the point of even watching it if you feel you have to skip arcs.

Anyone who can say Enies wasn't relevant clearly hasn't been following the story at all.
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