Aldnoah.Zero Episode 3 Discussion

Chabe said:

There was more to my original post than the knife argument, that's just what one commenter focused on and I replied to him. Also, I've mentioned those things previously.

Chabe said:


They haven't shown anything of the sort. You're just trying to cover for a bad story.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
MAL is going to lose it's shit over this episode considering how edgy it is and depicts a genius protagonist owning the idiot enemy that the other idiot side couldn't even scratch while loud "epic" Sawano music plays in the background. It's literally everything modern anime fandom loves except just in a mecha package for a change.

Newhopes said:


They told us about the Gate in the frist episode, found on the moon in 1972 destroyed in a war 1999, what where they doing in that 27 years while they had access twiddling their thumbs?

Newhopes said:
As others have said your nit picking.

Punk_Craft said:
Inaho is starting to remind me how Amuro Ray was back in the day. I'll make a prediction and say that the title of this anime is maybe a mech that Earth will use for a counterattack on a equal level.

ex_necross said:


I can see the confusion. Though I wouldn't call this a plot hole, just something left unexplained. They could have pulled something out of their ass to explain it.

People will naturally nit-pick every detail of this show, so I assume their line of thinking was "fuck it".

Setimo said:
Ok episode, not a fan of these english songs inserted during the fight scenes, meh.
And looks like the progression might go like as I guessed 2 eps ago - trying to kill the princess before the other martians find out.

Watch the episode... the MC even went to the trouble of spelling out the need of the gap to the audience.
Every episode here we had this /people not watching the episode properly/ as of yet. Refreshing memory:

Chabe said:


Judging by the '15 years of preparation' they do like to twiddle their thumbs a lot.

They haven't shown that they gained anything from studying the gate, if they even did. If any new tech was gleamed from the gate then they should mention it. Not that it would be shared throughout the world anyway. Also, the first ep even says that all the Martian stuff was claimed by the Vers Empire, whether that means they took everything or simply said everything should be theirs isn't explained.



It's hardly nitpicking when it was required to defeat the bad guy.

JizzyHitler said:
thats an actual (but really minor) flaw there. It really doesnt ruin anything in the slightest as its pretty much irrelevant to all the series but at least this observation has more logic into it than that awful knife argument.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
So basically what I gather from this thread is people are really jizzing themselves over the OST.

jiyoan said:
And about a knife.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
So basically what I gather from this thread is people are really jizzing themselves over the OST.

antonn said:

Don't forget the mahou shoujo.

silverwalls said:
great episode!
the princess is still alive.. surprise, surprise.. i wonder why she sided with the terrans though?

JizzyHitler said:
and the characters, and the tactics, and the pacing, and the potential for future events, and the action, and yes the ost.

People like this show for a plethora of reasons cause its doing alot of things right and avoiding falling victim to alot of tropes that end up killing alot of mecha shows dead on arrival, really the only thing going against its first 3 episodes is the CG looks ugly. Were getting a series with bulky and weighted mechs where the main character is just a dude in a mech with no powers or reliance on a op mech forcing the reliance of tactics and cooperation with team mates similarly to the excellent gundam ms team which writing and action wise stands leagues above most mecha and war stories in the anime medium, Its one of the rarest perspectives in anime war fiction to have a human struggle rather than a superhuman one.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


I know what it's going for but so far it doesn't do a very good job at it since the characters basically suck and the mecha designs themselves are self-defeating. This episode was basically the show trying to go "see we have tactics" but the fight was actually just pretty one sided and reliant on the enemy pilot being a total idiot and the mech being bizarrely limited to absolutely no ranged weaponry. It's a very workman like approach to portraying tactical battles. I mean as show I'm following right now called Fang of The Sun Dougram has very tactical battles, no mechs with impractical abilities, no special powers, and most importantly a really great and interesting cast of characters and isn't trying so hard to impress you in a display of all of this, it just kind of does it.

This show so far is just kind of like poor mans Gundam.

Keten said:
Ya, this episode was much better than the last one, might keep watching after all. I still have quite a lot of problems with it though.

At least Inaho seems to have shown some form of emotion, he smiled twice and said he had fear, (Even though saying it doesn't really mean anything when you very clearly don't have any fear that I can see in your face or actions.) Really hope he gets more expressive later on but I do think he is just going to be that boring character who is not very expressive and just does badass things and is super smart because why not. Also, why did he feel the need to explain how he outsmarted the enemy? Just kill the guy already, you don't need to have a speech about it.

Action was better this time around, but honestly to me it made no sense. Does Inaho just take classes in mechanics, military strategy, theoretical physics and mecha piloting? Does everyone? He's in bloody high school for crying out loud. Yet he outsmarts these trained professionals with a strategy he came up with practically alone with minimum resources in the time of like 5 hours? Lmao. At least they showed most of the process though.

Uhh.. no.. You can't just hang out the side of a truck with a heavy weapon and fire it with no backlash... Her extremely thin wrist should be broken, that's a nitpick though. It's not like I expected much realism at this point anyway.

Love how the girl is like "Wow, you care about people? I am totally interested in you." lol, does she never meet anyone who wants to save people that were forgotten?

Villains are still just a bunch of Super-Nazi's except for Slaine.

All in all, it was alright though. This is more like what I was expecting to me honest, it focused more on the characters(even if there was no actual development) and strategy rather than simple and boring one-sided action. Though honestly this was also one sided to a degree because somehow Inaho is this super-genius mecha piloting expert because why not. Music was better placed throughout the episode, thought it was a big messy the previous one. Animation appeared better for the most part, CG is still So-So, but not bad.

2.5/5

NwAurion said:
I don't think the martian mech was armored. Metal != armor, and it might not have been metal in the first place. Not that it makes a difference, given that we don't know what kind of materials the martians possess. But given the inconvenience the barrier did possess, i believe Trillram would have dropped it or not used it in the first place if the mech was supposed to have good armor.

Keten said:
Action was better this time around, but honestly to me it made no sense. Does Inaho just take classes in mechanics, military strategy, theoretical physics and mecha piloting? Does everyone? He's in bloody high school for crying out loud. Yet he outsmarts these trained professionals with a strategy he came up with practically alone with minimum resources in the time of like 5 hours? Lmao. At least they showed most of the process though.

Naelok said:


It didn't sink when it hit the water, so one can assume that whatever metal it was made of was buoyant and thus not very dense. You don't really need heavy armour for your mech when you've got a magic invincibility shield so I imagine they didn't bother much with it.

JizzyHitler said:


I have to disagree almost entirely, especially on the gundam front, it feels more like its trying to be the antithesis to gundam which is a pretty welcoming thing cause competition is the best thing for moving a stagnant genre. The only tie id see to gundam would be this feels like we are watching a gundam series but the good guys are in zaku's going up against the gundam. Even if the enemy in question was a fool he was still a threat to be reckoned with and was able to single handidly slaughter ace pilots. Its power had to do with the overpowered abilities the mech possessed and thats what the tactics was truly battling.

Not to mention theres a reason he was killed off so early, hes a small fry, the point the show is clearly making with him is to express just how powerful the aldnoah power is, if an idiot like him could do this much damage just how much damage a competent pilot can do. It took an entire coordinated squad using careful planning and life threatening risks to take down a single mech controlled by said idiot. Its a subtle hint at the seemingly hopeless situation they are going up against, Its kind of similar to episode 4 of knights of sidonia which really sold through just how powerful the gauna are by having so much damage be done by what is merely the most basic type of gauna. It really sells the threat.

I also think you may be under selling the tactics here, theres actual intuition and logical conclusions made by characters observing how the battles have gone in a way to plan the strategy to tackle the next threat.

My only big issue is that the villains are hurr durr im evil like zeta gundam's titans and buddy complex's zogillia, which is one of my biggest pet peeves, so hopefully theres some more decent human beings on the martian side as the series goes on, but it looks like its gonna be the zeta gundam route where any decent human beings on the antagonists army will switch sides while the evil douches will stay.

DawnJ said:
And Arge is totally fine and and no problems are seen and protag has rooms for development. lelz.

fst said:


I'm not going to dignify the rest of that post with a response, but it is really not that much of a stretch to have knowledge of theoretical physics in high school. Just because you lack the interest/initiative/intelligence to learn about these kinds of things on your own doesn't mean everybody is like that.

Naelok said:


It didn't sink when it hit the water, so one can assume that whatever metal it was made of was buoyant and thus not very dense. You don't really need heavy armour for your mech when you've got a magic invincibility shield so I imagine they didn't bother much with it.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Well obviously Urobuchi is trying to go for his typical subversion gimmick like he usually does.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
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migohunter said:
Are you kidding me. I'm not an Urobuchi fan, but now if an anime tries something different it's a 'gimmick'? I'm not experienced with mechas by a long shot, but it looks like you have a predefined idea on what makes a 'good' mecha and Aldnoah doesn't agree with it.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Well obviously Urobuchi is trying to go for his typical subversion gimmick like he usually does and is possibly only solely capable of but that doesn't make the show particularly remarkable in any way. He's still left the characters pretty much puppets of the plot and the shows goals of subversion and trying to show you how clever it is like he usually does and not really paying much attention to that aspect and honestly it's the good interesting characters as much as attempts at realism that makes the better real robot shows for me.

migohunter said:


Are you kidding me. I'm not an Urobuchi fan, but now if an anime tries something different it's a 'gimmick'? I'm not experienced with mechas by a long shot, but it looks like you have a predefined idea on what makes a 'good' mecha and Aldnoah doesn't agree with it.