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Poll: Gokukoku no Brynhildr Episode 12 Discussion

Jun 22, 2014 8:18 PM

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Anime only watcher here and I'm enjoying it. In fact I'm enjoying it so much that I'll make sure I watch elfen lied and read both manga--so from one perspective this has been a successful series. That being said, I'm unhappy that they've skipped so much and are going for an anime only ending, because most of the times those are crap. Every single complaint about the dropped material from the manga rings pretty true, so I'm left feeling frustrated that what could have been a great 26 episode show has ended up only a good 13 episode show (which may well totally blow it in the final episode...).

This serves no one well: the fans get pissed off, the production house doesn't get the return on sales, and the publishing house doesn't get the boost in circulation that is increasingly a factor in decisions on what shows to make (witness SnK, NGNL, or any of the other LN's and manga which have seen big boosts in sales because of shows in the last couple of seasons). I appreciate that companies are being cautious about committing resources for two season shows, but I think we've seen that if done well, the boost in sales for the print versions more than justifies the initial commitment on the anime. Median rating for this show is an 8 which is fairly good even with the problematic adaptation.
Modified by rodac, Jun 22, 2014 8:26 PM
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Jun 22, 2014 8:39 PM

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Boy a lot happened this episode. I guess I wouldn't mind an anime original ending that much since I was planning on reading the manga anyway and this adaption feels too rushed so it's not like they were planning a season 2 anytime soon.
Jun 22, 2014 8:56 PM

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I waited since the very first episode for Valkyria to appear b/c of how violent and terrifying the OP made her seem, and what do I get? A childish and sensitive girl who has way too much sympathy for other characters. Where was her scary personality from when she was first introduced? Plus why the crap do they wait until close to the last episode to explain how dangerous Neko and Karumi are and rush everything?! Totally disappointed with this series, but what can you expect from the creators of Elfen Lied? I don't expect much from the finale either.

AppleJinx said:
Forced drama is forced. Did they really think this lightning fast pacing is gonna make me care about the characters? This show is just pathetic and manipulative when it comes to delivering its emotions to the audience, way too edgy.

I agree. They introduce these new characters out of nowhere! How am I supposed to care about them or understand them when the show is almost over?
Jun 22, 2014 9:38 PM

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Conveniences out the ass. This episode was hilarious, I'm willing to bet the source material is no longer being adapted. It's pretty easy to tell once the Shonen aspects emerged. Lmfao at the girls death scene, I love how they forgot her right after. PUDDING OP!!! The kid being shot randomly was funny too.
Jun 22, 2014 9:53 PM

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Oh wow, more bullshit in the MC's favour. Why is anyone even co-operating with this selfish prick anyway? He favours the vaginas of like 4 girls he just met that have the potential to destroy the world by merely existing over literally everyone he knows, what the fuck. These nun good guys need to just kill him if he's going to keep, y'know, jeopardising the Earth's future because he wants his harem that bad.
Jun 22, 2014 10:18 PM

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Well then. That censorship is making me wish that I could see what happened in that horrible wound of Murakami.
Jun 22, 2014 10:19 PM

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AlexTheRiot said:

Big question, very big spoiler:

My thoughts on your question:

Calisi said:
gedata said:
And somehow Kana's forecast failed to see ANY of this coming, talk about plot convenience.

I never even thought of that! I love plot conveniences sometimes! xD

Well, Kana's forecast only work if someone stays permanently dead without their knowing. Hatsuna clearly saw him die so maybe it was fate that led Hatsuna to heal him anyways, thus not activating Kana's abilities. That's my guess.
Modified by SaiYuris, Jun 22, 2014 10:26 PM

Got that?
Jun 22, 2014 10:20 PM

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I don't dislike the show, but I've been losing interest in the plot after the time reset in the beginning when Murakami forgot he saw Kuraha's moles. That took the plot backwards, and the majority of what followed up until these last ones didn't seem to take it anywhere significant. If they were going to spend so much time moping over pills, they should have bumped this up a few episodes at least.

For this episode, the engagement in the tower lasted too long. I mean, it had not one, not two, but THREE instances that tried to twist a situation that would have otherwise ended with everybody dead. I cringed so hard when those organization people showed up so conveniently, but I was so glad when the big bad guy shot the kid. That was probably the most natural surprise the show has thrown at us so far.

These kind of anime work best when they don't tone down the shock factor (which is the only reason I sat through the detestable cast of Elfen Lied). However, even this show's shock factor has gotten predictable after the time reset. The plot is throwing so many different subplots around and I'm not even sure where the boundaries of the universe are anymore. For all I know, Kuroha has a 0.01% chance of becoming a god and resetting everything next episode.

I'll agree with some comments about the production value, which keeps the show mostly visually appealing in spite of the above (really Kuraha is so damn cute); however I'll disagree with those calling it "garbage" entirely. It's not unwatchable, but it's one of many fine examples of an incoherent plot and reliance on anime tropes that ends in wasted potential.
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Jun 22, 2014 10:32 PM

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In reply to ZobaZeta,

What I hate about this adaptation is that the anime expects viewers to know wtf is going on. This is a terrible notion. Ex: Hatsuna using her regeneration magic on someone else. According to the anime, one would expect Hatsuna could only heal herself, not someone else. The anime also doesn't explain why she melts when she heals someone else.

If you want short, spoiler but not plot spoiler, info on this, read:

I also hate how they introduced the other hacker witch. It was literally 4 seconds of introduction of that new witch that we'll never see again. They didn't bother to explain a back story. Why would there be a witch in the first place that is blocking Kazumi from searching for the location? What group does she belong to? Does she work for Ichijiku? So many unanswered questions rather than satisfying answers.

Got that?
Jun 22, 2014 11:48 PM

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We've already seen the second hacker mentioned. It's also fairly obvious who's side she's on. So...?

This was a fairly bad episode. Something that should be over the span of 2 and maybe a little of a third. It sucks it keeps coming off as rushed. I enjoy it, everything is still very easy to figure out, but more depth would be nice.

Hopefully there'a more to the story in the final episode.
Jun 23, 2014 12:22 AM

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So that episode was fast as fuck. They are setting this up for a quick ending, at this point who knows if we'll even see a second season ever.

Hatsuna didn't die which is good. Apparantly Mako knows Kuroha and actually didn't want to hurt her at all, let alone kill her (despite the crazy look from the OPs). It would be fucking awesome to see her team up with Neko, but I have a feeling her love for the bad guy will outweigh her other feelings.

Speaking of which Ichijiku has turned out to be a pretty lame ass douchey villain. In the one scene in last weeks episode with Murakami's uncle having a flashback, Ichi is all like "oh all I want to know the secrets of the universe and I'll sacrifice everything to obtain it". Now it turns out he's just trying to like revive his dead daughter or some shit. Talk about a fail.

Well cant wait to see how they conclude this next week.
Jun 23, 2014 1:14 AM

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I wonder what Neko is to Valkyrie they look similar so maybe they are sisters?

Taking one for your girl, bravo.

How does he control Valkyrie?

The nun shouldn't of explained it :P

Aw poor Hatsuna :( I had a feeling that's how they would save him, but I didn't think she would melt :/

Interesting reveals.

Cool Hatsuna's alive, but it makes sense since witches eventually lose their hung up state.

That hatching bit happened to quickly >.>
Jun 23, 2014 2:12 AM

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So Neko is the most powerful of them all.
Kotori is the most important.
Hatsuna is alive. Good thing that she is.

They have aliens inside them. Woah.
Jun 23, 2014 2:18 AM

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I believe that's all that needs to be said.....
Jun 23, 2014 2:56 AM

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Of course Neko just happens to be Neo.
Jun 23, 2014 3:08 AM

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What the fuck just happened.
Things that were already guessed were revealed.
Things that weren't explained were revealed.
and still, nothing made sense.
fucks sake.
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Jun 23, 2014 3:11 AM

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00:33 lickie

13:15 Villagegod!!

19:59 it hatched

21:03 dat shisukon

6.5/10 for this ep.
Bad directing+animation, as usual.
Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances.
He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter.
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Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month.
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Jun 23, 2014 4:14 AM

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Terrible adaptation, too bad I don't drop animes :p
4/10 overall so far
Jun 23, 2014 4:44 AM

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I accidentally read some spoiler articles and did notice they rushed it. Too bad, but so far I'm still enjoying the anime since I haven't exactly read the manga yet. Will read it after this finishes.

I have a feeling something terrible will happen next episode :(
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Jun 23, 2014 4:50 AM

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xanic said:
What the fuck just happened.
Things that were already guessed were revealed.
Things that weren't explained were revealed.
and still, nothing made sense.
fucks sake.

For things you didnt understand read the manga , the rushed the hell out of the manga in the anime. They cut alot from it that would make more sense with them than without.
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Jun 23, 2014 5:30 AM

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LMFAO, aliens that gave birth to humanity, killing all humans, strange shit covering earth... The storyline surely is unique.

As it has already been said before, "truly a comedy of the year".
Jun 23, 2014 6:26 AM

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Here too, the narrative flows like a fast train, while having low pathos of the new revelations in the plot; sufficient overall.
Drawings and animations sufficient.
I realize more and more, which is a beautiful anime series, but compared to the manga, the animated transposition is murdered!
After maybe I should read the manga!
Jun 23, 2014 6:34 AM

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So, chapter 1-50 = episode 1-10, and chapter 50-100 = episode 11-13?
Did the anime team just realized that they wern't making a 26 episode adaptation after finishing up nearly the entire allotted episodes?

Seriously, it would've been more effective cutting out the entire arc about Nanami, and spent those 2 episodes worth going slower at this big crunch of a episode 12.
Modified by zephiris, Jun 23, 2014 6:37 AM
Jun 23, 2014 6:44 AM

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What a sad role for Hexenjagd members. And next week its the end for them? What is the director thinking I wonder.
Jun 23, 2014 7:18 AM

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Not that it was a great anime to begin with, however that was an astonishingly creative way of saying fuck you to all viewers and make this whole anime total crap. At least it happend on an overly cliched and hilarious level.
Instead of wasting so much time in the middle of the season with all kinds of nonsense they could have done something important to the story instead of rushing now when it comes to a close. A classic.
Jun 23, 2014 8:31 AM

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Holy shit I don't think I've ever seen so many deus ex machina in ONE episode. Hatsuna dying just like that to save the wimp is so lol worthy

Hexenjagd is fucking useless. They said they wanted to kill the witches and they had 4 of them on gun point, what did they do? talk. They also had the dangerous Valkyria and sworn enemy Chisato on gun point, what did they do? talk. *SMH* Are these guys even serious in accomplishing their objective? doesn't seem so to me =p

The objective of the lab doesn't even make sense. So they want to hatch the grane, then what??? if everyone dies there will be NO ONE left to create that so-called superior human race they wanted to achieve. Sounds like a half-baked plot that just make them evil for the sake of being evil.

Kazumi can hack the lab loooool.. they never bothered to do that before? they were so desperate to find the lab and now just like that they found it??

That little boy said there's no chance the grane would hatch this week and what happen next? it hatches.

This thing is so bad it's not even funny.
Jun 23, 2014 8:58 AM

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So now we learn that humans were created by aliens? This show know's no bounds! :D

Sadly,I can't say I'm very fond of Brynhildr's craziness this time. It didn't have to take a "save the world" turn...
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Jun 23, 2014 9:52 AM

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zephiris said:
So, chapter 1-50 = episode 1-10, and chapter 50-100 = episode 11-13?
Did the anime team just realized that they wern't making a 26 episode adaptation after finishing up nearly the entire allotted episodes?

Seriously, it would've been more effective cutting out the entire arc about Nanami, and spent those 2 episodes worth going slower at this big crunch of a episode 12.
It would have been a lot better if they made this a two cour series, at the very least they would not have rushed shit so much.
Jun 23, 2014 9:58 AM
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Man, that part where Kuroha was sitting in front of a dying Murakami is probably the only panty shot we'd ever get to see.
Jun 23, 2014 10:12 AM

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zephiris said:
So, chapter 1-50 = episode 1-10, and chapter 50-100 = episode 11-13?
Did the anime team just realized that they wern't making a 26 episode adaptation after finishing up nearly the entire allotted episodes?

Seriously, it would've been more effective cutting out the entire arc about Nanami, and spent those 2 episodes worth going slower at this big crunch of a episode 12.

Nope , they skipped alot and cut some parts of chapters to fit it in.
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Jun 23, 2014 10:38 AM

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R32 said:
We've already seen the second hacker mentioned. It's also fairly obvious who's side she's on. So...?

I'd like to see your guess. It'd probably be as good as wrong though. There was more depth to that new hacker witch's character and her relationship to Kazumi. Too bad the anime needs to cut stuff.

I don't think this will ever get mentioned in the anime, but that girl (Rena or w/e her name is) is Chisato's sister.

Also, there was a stronger reason why those nuns decided to work with Murakami to find Chisato's location. Not to spoil much, but let's just say it has to do something with

Got that?
Jun 23, 2014 10:58 AM

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"we're going to stand here and let you talk to a ghost for a full 3 minutes when we tried to kill you 3 seconds ago"

why is this show so bad
Jun 23, 2014 11:53 AM
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Getting really sad in how they are rushing this.. Well wasn't expecting much from ARMS anyway, if they made a 26 ep instead of 13 it would be so much better, anyway. Will just watch 13 and be done with this.
Jun 23, 2014 12:55 PM

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itisp said:
I was surprised at the ending, only because I assumed it was a 12 episode season. Well I hope everything is wrapped up next week.

Did anyone notice what Kazumi was browsing?

LOL. Now remake it, instead toss up a random porno site. Or a picture of a naked Murakami and see what you can do with that.
Jun 23, 2014 1:41 PM

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Wow this was bad.. really bad.

When you have a show that keeps killing its main characters just to bring them back to life again, you lose any emotional impact you could have had. This show keeps faking deaths and most of the time they just come back (or weren't even hurt in the first place). How many times now are we up to?

And oh man this plot. So all the sudden the worlds going to end because the big-boobed side (side) character is gonna turn into a monster and carry out the Human Instrumentality Project, which we know thanks to random anti-witch nuns that saved the day. Sure, ok then. We just kinda learned about this 2 minutes before it happened. But ok.
...such a fucking random mess of a plot.

There are so many things I want to say, but perhaps I'll have to articulate my thoughts better sometime later because I am currently at 40 hours of no sleep.

For now, I'll just say this show sucks some major ass. Zero feelings were had during this "emotional" episode besides frustration and a facepalm.
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Jun 23, 2014 2:22 PM

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The_Bif said:
Between the manga readers complaining because this isn't the manga, and the guys complaining because its "garbage", I'm not exactly sure what you guys expected from this series...

Yeah, it's rushed and it's potential has been wasted in a lot of places, but the series has been a good, entertaining ride so far. Unless you're spending the length of each and every episode trying to compare it to the manga or some other anime that you chose as a favorite.

Face it, it's not the manga. It's an animation studio that paid the author to allow them to do an animated form of the manga. That includes leaving out details and events that they(the studio) feel either do not fit into their storyboards or play no part in the main plotline. If they were just animating the manga you'd have nothing but manga panels being shot across the screen, not literally but close enough. I can't think of one single anime based from a manga or LN that has completely 100% animated the exact source material. Things get changed, sometimes those things that get changed or left out are poor choices by the studio and would have worked better if left in or left alone. If you want a manga, you read a manga, if you want an anime you watch an anime... doesn't make much sense to watch an anime if you want a manga.

On that note, I'm concerned that there is still so much left to wrap up with only one episode remaining. It seems likely we'll get an anime only ending like Elfen Lied, but considering how much I loved EL it may not be so bad. One can hope.

I don't want a manga; I want an anime. I prefer anime to manga overall. Anime just has more impact than manga does, between the flow of events, voice acting, soundtrack, etc. That's why I prefer an anime to be as close to the manga as possible. I don't mind changes at all, but what I DO mind is completely removing really awesome events in the manga that would've made the anime that much better.

I've been thoroughly enjoying the series thus far despite the changes and some really great scenes in the manga being removed in episodes 10 and 11, but episode 12 cut too much. In my opinion, it's better to change the result of the events altogether to at least give it a sense of originality than to keep the manga's result of the events but butcher the process of them - and that's what happened with Kazumi's "hack session" during this episode.

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Jun 23, 2014 6:23 PM

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This anime is so bad, random deus ex machinas everywhere, no emotions, random dyings/ressurections, random plot device out of fucking nowhere, everything so rushed and all.. and then some boobs and fanservice to cover the sadness and random boobs in your face after a "emotionaly" scene. The atmosphere just jumps from happy to sad at random without any depth. Really bad. This anime is a joke.
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Jun 23, 2014 6:46 PM

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Sooo rushed, why.. This had so much potential in the beginning.. Two witches died so fast after their introduction, as if they were meant to serve as nothing more than plot devices for Ryouta.

Also Kotori hatching so randomly felt as bad.
Jun 23, 2014 8:23 PM
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I mean yes, infodump me hard like a girl would dump their cheating boyfriend, but please make it not so dumb?

How did they even know what was going to happen with Kotori? AND THE RAY OF LIGHT?

uhm, poor Hatsuna, I really liked her, and I do hope.... eh... there is no chance she isn't becoming an alien.
I thought Valkrie was suppose to be the final boss, but Neko is apparently stronger and we have an Initiator that just shuts down all magicians??

at least the op is still awesome...
Modified by Zelot, Jun 23, 2014 8:27 PM
Jun 24, 2014 1:27 AM
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Still, regardless of being rushed, they did a decent job explaining everything.

Only one more episode for this awesome anime. I'm curious to find out how this series will end.
Jun 24, 2014 2:54 AM
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I was really quite disappointed this episode, well this one and the one before it. They have RUSHED it to an over the top degree, and I just have to say in my defense, read the manga. I have been hoping this entire season that they would keep with the initial pacing and have all the characters show up, even if it means not getting to the Valkyrie plot in the first season. So instead three different characters either didn't show up, or only got a single image to their name. It is simply depressing.
Jun 24, 2014 4:23 AM

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ResidentANM said:
Hatsuna sacrificed her life in order to revive Murakami, though the scene where her tissue was forming around her harnessed looked suspicious.

I think alot of people miss that scene lol.

I don't really consider it a spoiler since the scene showing hatsuna moving was in epi 12 itself, but whatever lol
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Jun 24, 2014 4:53 AM

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At first, I assumed that Kuroneko was #1107 but after reading the spoilers, I just assumed that Kotori was #1107 and what a power!

So Hatsuna will be alive? Or regenerate or something? Hmmm... I am hyped for the last episode.
Jun 24, 2014 5:18 AM
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Sigh... idk what to feel anymore about this anime. After reading the manga of it, had so high hopes of it being good... but i guess that isn't possible anymore seeing how rushed the anime is.
Jun 24, 2014 5:50 AM

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Not sure if Hatsuna revived or Hatsuna become one of those alien things

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Jun 24, 2014 8:38 AM

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Rushed episode. Kinda "funny" on hatsuna dying. Weird weird. Who is rena...
Jun 24, 2014 9:54 AM

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Science, experiments, secret plans, to All of human race being endangered. Thats...a lot to take in tho. xD I think this was rushed too fast, too furious. Anyways, the ending better be worth it.
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Jun 24, 2014 11:42 AM

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Interesting change of pace, being a non-manga reader I'm not too sure what remains after the whole world is going to end jazz but if there is more content waiting then this definitely needs more episodes. Like more about the past and etc.

It went from, basic fan service + school life (almost like something else we have in spring season, COUGH MATRIX) to major shit flying everywhere, so much information - important at that.

I don't think Hatsuna died because the worm things came out to regenerate and that is how she regenerates (she regenerated murakami with worms) but who knows.
I'm filled with so many questions which I hope will get answered somehow.

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Jun 24, 2014 2:14 PM

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This show just went full retard with introducing so many new things in such little time just to wrap things up in 13 episodes. Guess they shoulda focused on progressing the plot more instead of cramming in fanservice.
Jun 24, 2014 4:29 PM

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Neko is stronger than Valkryia : 0

Kotori was the one!!

Murakami !!!! Hastuna revived him T__T
Nanami I miss you T__T

Hexanjada??? Former lab members.
A witch that can negate magic as long as she knows it's type

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Hatsuna is in the ending !!!
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