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Jun 21, 2014 3:08 PM

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See, if you could just wait, you'll see this is the exact issue that's being addressed in the novels. Mahouka might not be a masterpiece but it doesn't leave such glaring plotholes either. What you might see as a plot hole is something that's been explained in the novels. The anime might not get there but the novels have.


Does it also address how conventional militaries feel about being phased out by mages? Do regular soldiers resent mages for that? Do they think that war has changed?

How about rival technologies to magic? Like [mechanical/nano] human augmentation? Something in the vein of a supersoldier project? Does anyone care about having a space program anymore?

Does blood magic exist? << I have to know this one
Jun 21, 2014 3:09 PM
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Does Tatsuya have to do everything in this show ? If the cause of the accident is unknown/unclear, wouldn't it be natural for the authorities in charge of the tournament to analyze the footage and launch an investigation by themselves?

Also why is he the one who came to Mari and sent her to the hospital ? Shouldn't a medical care team be already on site during those type of events ? A supporter has normally no business leaving the bleachers and getting into the stadium as it would only get in the way of nursing staff.


THANK YOU. This is especially glaring with the FIFA World Cup going on, that this group of very important and influential students don't have the proper accommodations that even Muggles have. Just what the hell?


From what it sounds like the 10MCs are the authority, end of story. That they may defer to most of the time to the government doesn't take away the fact that they are the real "power behind the throne" in this world and that if push came to shove they can get what they want. Think mafia families in Italy if you want another comparison, only in this case the MCs are your defense system and possess unlimited power (except against other magic users).

The idea that adults deferring to children in this world also not that much of a stretch. Magic runs in families and it is getting stronger with every generation. In short there is a genetic arms race going on, and the kids are more power than the adults. The adults may want the kids to start developing not only their powers, but the ability to solve problems and fend for themselves in this hostile world.

In that we know what the clans are willing to do to their own, why would we be surprised that they seem to embrace the lion father throwing his child into the chasm to see if they can climb back up on their own?
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wrenchbread said:


Does blood magic exist? << I have to know this one


well to answer that one Its a yes and no well more so yes not exactly the same but there are things that can be done to have the same effect
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MrJc said:
wrenchbread said:


Does blood magic exist? << I have to know this one


well to answer that one Its a yes and no well more so yes not exactly the same but there are things that can be done to have the same effect


The whole reason I even ask is that I hope it's actually a counter to ancient and modern magic and that the requirements aren't that high.
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If we go by the logic of the world we've been presented, the authorities SHOULD have done something on their own, and a medical care staff SHOULD have been there. It's not even a matter of fantasy or nah at this point : it's just goddam common sense. And yes, the World Cup and the FIFA's role in it is a perfect example of what's wrong with the 9SC.


There is a medical team, but Tatsuya was able to reach Mari just a little sooner because he was watching her event, that is all there is to it.

As for the NSC handing over the surveillance footage, it's because 1st High requested to see the footage to check if there was any misuse of magic, one of their own was injured and that is the only reason the committee gave them the footage.

As for the adults and their involvements, it's not that there is none of them doing anything it's just that the focus is on the teenagers, also you shouldn't really think of these schools as high school because it makes you think of them as if they were like normal teenagers which they're not, the ones studying in magic high schools are the best of the best, and many of them have been trained and disciplined from the moment they started walking, they're also an extreme minority of teenagers and ones that have been assuming many responsibilities for quite some time. And also most of the issues they have been involved with are ones that pertain to them, if you're wondering what the adults are doing then they're probably taking care of matters on a whole different level.

The one thing that annoyed me in this episode is that they spent 5 minutes on Tatsuya's analysis when they should've just said "hey so tatsuya discovered this" and moved on..
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wrenchbread said:
MrJc said:


well to answer that one Its a yes and no well more so yes not exactly the same but there are things that can be done to have the same effect


The whole reason I even ask is that I hope it's actually a counter to ancient and modern magic and that the requirements aren't that high.


well the magic itself is labeled as forbidden because it effects the persons mind

so far the people with magic like that I can remember are
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wrenchbread said:


Does it also address how conventional militaries feel about being phased out by mages? Do regular soldiers resent mages for that? Do they think that war has changed?

How about rival technologies to magic? Like [mechanical/nano] human augmentation? Something in the vein of a supersoldier project? Does anyone care about having a space program anymore?

Does blood magic exist? << I have to know this one


We've only been up close and personal with Tatsuya's battalion but there does seem to be some displeasure about the use of magicians only as weapons. While regular soldiers undoubtedly acknowledge that war has changed, we've yet to come across muggle soldiers who feel like they're being displaced. Regular soldiers also have their uses in warfare after all.

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wrenchbread said:

That's exactly the reaction you should have. I'm sure if I was some aristocrat they wouldn't pay me a single bit of mind either. I have no business requesting it, just as the students here don't have business either.


So one of their classmates competing got seriously injured and they suspect foul play have no business in investigating?
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@ wrenchbread I thought you read the novels or some vols and think that it was s#!t?But you are now actively discussing the world of Mahouka :)
If you haven't read the Visitors arc (vols 9-11) this is were for me the series picks up it's pace up to vol 13,so you should try reading a bit.And this time action is spread out per volume.
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To be frank the 10 MC whatever was not what I was talking about at all. That's just mixing my gripes with wrenchbread's. If Tatsuya wants a copy of the footage and the authorities just give him, so be it. I don't really give a shit.
What I found ridiculous is that the authorities directly in charge (regardless of whether or not they're under the influence of the 10 MC) didn't do shit nor did they have the most basic thing you should have when you organize a big sports event (i.e. a reactive medical team that is not so completely useless a single teenager can do their job better than them).

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Doesn't really explain why he was allowed to get into the field : there's at the very least a couple members of the medical staff that are on site and have to watch the event and that can assure basic pre-hospital care in case of an accident.

And yes I do realize that they're not normal teenagers nor highschoolers, but in the scenes I pointed out they really didn't have any reason to be involved.
Also what if there was no Tatsuya and none of the kids would've thought about asking a copy of the footage? Am I supposed to buy that nothing would've been done on the part of the authorities? That's too much.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Jun 21, 2014 3:49 PM

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Another okay episode. I like the series, but i gotta say if i had not read the light novels i would not be watching this on a weekly basis.
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Doesn't really explain why he was allowed to get into the stadium : there's at the very least a couple members of the medical staff that are on site and have to watch the event and that can assure basic pre-hospital care in case of an accident.

And yes I do realize that they're not normal teenagers nor highschoolers, but in the scenes I pointed out they really didn't have any reason to be involved.
Also what if there was no Tatsuya and none of the kids would've thought about asking a copy of the footage? Am I supposed to buy that nothing would've been done on the part of the authorities? That's too much.


you do know he was already in the stadium right? what you should be saying is on the grounds/field
regardless though he is a support personal for the team so it makes sense that he is able to go see someone who is injured and to why he got their before the medical team? well it's been proven that hes a pretty fast person
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Sapewloth said:
Takuan_Soho said:
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To be frank the 10 MC whatever was not what I was talking about at all. That's just mixing my gripes with wrenchbread's. If Tatsuya wants a copy of the footage and the authorities just give him, so be it. I don't really give a shit.
What I found ridiculous is that the authorities behind directly in charge (regardless of whether or not they're under the influence of the 10 MC) didn't do shit nor did they have the most basic thing you should have when you organize a big sports event (i.e. a reactive medical team that is not so completely useless a single teenager can do their job better than them).


They reacted but Tatsuya was faster, he received medical formation during his formation as a soldier, he just helped them a little by carrying her, the medical team did the rest.

Doesn't really explain why he was allowed to get into the stadium : there's at the very least a couple members of the medical staff that are on site and have to watch the event and that can assure basic pre-hospital care in case of an accident.


Because he was faster?

And yes I do realize that they're not normal teenagers nor highschoolers, but in the scenarii I pointed out they really didn't have any reason to be involved.
Also what if there was no Tatsuya and none of the kids would've thought about asking a copy of the footage? Am I supposed to buy that nothing would've been done on the part of the authorities? That's too much.


Tatsuya was not the only one who thought about watching the footage, didn't you listen to Mayumi? and he was helped.

Why don't you guys just read the LN?
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Doesn't really explain why he was allowed to get into the stadium : there's at the very least a couple members of the medical staff that are on site and have to watch the event and that can assure basic pre-hospital care in case of an accident.

And yes I do realize that they're not normal teenagers nor highschoolers, but in the scenes I pointed out they really didn't have any reason to be involved.
Also what if there was no Tatsuya and none of the kids would've thought about asking a copy of the footage? Am I supposed to buy that nothing would've been done on the part of the authorities? That's too much.


you do know he was already in the stadium right? what you should be saying is on the grounds/field
regardless though he is a support personal for the team so it makes sense that he is able to go see someone who is injured and to why he got their before the medical team? well it's been proven that hes a pretty fast person

Yeah, bad English. sorry
He's a member of the technical team, which has jack to do with medical care afaik.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Why don't you guys just read the LN?


Don't say that. They don't HAVE to read the novels. The anime makes it impossible to understand without knowledge but no one has to read the novels if they don't want to.
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The info dumping are never going to end is it.
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Ah, the accident..

Shizukuuu :D

Hm, another meh episode.
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I'm actually glad that they explained more about how the shooting works.
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millie10468 said:
HomeAlone said:


Why don't you guys just read the LN?


Don't say that. They don't HAVE to read the novels. The anime makes it impossible to understand without knowledge but no one has to read the novels if they don't want to.


lies, i understood completely =3=
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good episode again, satisfied me.

that New spell they techno dumped about is basically Mini air explosions with a set radius. positioned in the shaped of a cube with one more set explosion in the middle. then the sniper can trigger each explosion manually to take care of any discs in it's radius.
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Yeah, bad English. sorry
He's a member of the technical team, which has jack to do with medical care afaik.


it's fine I was confused at first about it XD
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do you honestly think normal people would stop him from getting to someone he knows whose injured? He already has medical knowledge due to being in the military so it makes sense he would run to her
Jun 21, 2014 4:23 PM
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On this episode of "Tatsuya Shiba Does Everything"...
Jun 21, 2014 4:33 PM

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MrJc said:
Sapewloth said:

Yeah, bad English. sorry
He's a member of the technical team, which has jack to do with medical care afaik.


it's fine I was confused at first about it XD
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do you honestly think normal people would stop him from getting to someone he knows whose injured? He already has medical knowledge due to being in the military so it makes sense he would run to her
Wait, since when is anyone besides his family supposed to know about his military past and medical knowledge?
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And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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well, he was recently in a meeting with people who seem to be familiar with his credentials, so it could be possible that those people informed the medics of Tasuya's skills.
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Seriously I usually dont complain about shows I watch, cuz if i really had a reason to complain I wouldn't watch it in the first place (SAO is the only exception...). And I mean I AM watching shows that after I rate 4 because I found them very stupid, but they still entertained me for some reason, even if counted just as a guilty pleasure...

BUT MAHOUKA.... I was thinking today I don't even have SOMETHING, ANYTHING to rate. I swear, I'm that person who argues about character development being a necessity... but MAHOUKA is the clearest example that some shows can be stupid just because they don't have character development... plot development or any other kind of development. It's like watching endless talk about magic sequences, all of them too long for me to even feel motivated to read the subtitles whenever the boring talk goes on, then when the talk is over and you finally dare to hope some actual STORY might happen, a secondary character steals the show until the end. Then another long talk about magic and between magic explanations you understand that every character knew that onii-sama was actually the hero of the day. Then you see onii-sama smiling secretly and you hear his dumb sister repeating 5000 onii-samas.

This goes every damn episode. Who the hell likes this? Seriously. I can't even count it for wish fulfillment. Because not even that happens... what about my wishes? LOL. At least SAO had an exciting setting, eventually it had a story too.
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Wait, since when is anyone besides his family supposed to know about his military past and medical knowledge?


I never said anyone else does I'm saying that since he knows it why wouldn't he get there and help and again do you think anyone would be able to stop him?
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I never said anyone else does I'm saying that since he knows it why wouldn't he get there and help and again do you think anyone would be able to stop him?


Well he ain't a doctor, so as far as the medical staff is concerned he's just getting in the way. Like these are trained medical personnel, I don't care who you are, please move away from the injured and let us handle it. I mean, look at the World Cup. There has been no shortage of injures and you had teammates all crowding around but were told by medical staff to move away and let them do their jobs.
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I never said anyone else does I'm saying that since he knows it why wouldn't he get there and help and again do you think anyone would be able to stop him?


Well he ain't a doctor, so as far as the medical staff is concerned he's just getting in the way. Like these are trained medical personnel, I don't care who you are, please move away from the injured and let us handle it. I mean, look at the World Cup. There has been no shortage of injures and you had teammates all crowding around but were told by medical staff to move away and let them do their jobs.


Guess you have a point there. Truth be told, I don't understand why Tatsuya went to Mari.

Then again, in the LN it was stated he went to check on 'something'.
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it's almost absurd how perfect the main character is. And whenever they're describing the activation sequence, I'm like "Too complicated to understand". Especially the speed shooting part. Good episode I suppose.


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it's almost absurd how perfect the main character is. And whenever they're describing the activation sequence, I'm like "Too complicated to understand". Especially the speed shooting part. Good episode I suppose.


Sigh...this has been discussed on episode 1-7 forums.

Maybe it will feel less 'absurd' if you check them out.
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it's almost absurd how perfect the main character is. And whenever they're describing the activation sequence, I'm like "Too complicated to understand". Especially the speed shooting part. Good episode I suppose.


Anyway which ones you don't understand? Mayumi's or Shizuku's?
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I honestly think that I experienced more excitement from waiting for CR to release the 720p version of this episode than from actually watching it.
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Tohka_Yatogami said:

Shizuku was pretty good at speed shooting.


You do realize she just repeadetly spammed the trigger and the "box" annihilated everything inside itself..? It's not like she even aimed or so.. xD
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Boring episode – as usual, every character on this show is awfully written. It´s like the writers just don't care anymore
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Shizuku was pretty good at speed shooting.


You do realize she just repeadetly clicked the trigger and the "box" annihilated everything inside itself..? It's not like she even aimed or so.. xD


Not really, she had to time the explosions.

But yeah, its not really shooting... more like remote control bombing.
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Boring episode – as usual, every character on this show is awfully written. It´s like the writers just don't care anymore


I like it myself, everyone is composed and theres a feeling that anything could happen at any given time when you can't read the characters or the plot at all and predict even 5 seconds ahead.
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Not really, she had to time the explosions.

But yeah, its not really shooting... more like remote control bombing.


Yeah, in other words spam the trigger whenever something blinks ahead lol.
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Zoddd said:
Boring episode – as usual, every character on this show is awfully written. It´s like the writers just don't care anymore


I like it myself, everyone is composed and theres a feeling that anything could happen at any given time when you can't read the characters or the plot at all and predict even 5 seconds ahead.
except we know that tatsuya can kill everyone in 3 seconds.
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except we know that tatsuya can kill everyone in 3 seconds.


That's why im enjoying it so much.. He does good work to keep himself composed at every given minute..

everything he does is perfect and amusing at the same time..
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The story in Mahouka so far is something something terrorists something something activation sequences something something magical flying bootstraps.


You left out the most important part above :-)
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The story in Mahouka so far is onii-sama onii-sama terrorists onii-sama onii-sama activation sequences onii-sama onii-sama magical flying bootstraps.


You left out the most important part above :-)

Fixed for both of you.
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Form what i understand in this week ep that someone sabotage the mahouka guild, that it. IT'S A TURRIST! I be damned if it's the other teams doing it. This ep is not fun to watch at all to much talking about something i don't give a crap, i rather see it.
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I wonder if Masaki and his school caused the accident or other school. If not another terrorist attack. Tatsuya will save them.
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If not another terrorist attack. Tatsuya will save them.


And that's where you're wrong. He doesn't give a shit about anyone except his imouto so unless they do something specifically to Miyuki, I doubt he'd go to the trouble of saving anyone. I am 98% sure that the only reason he helped with the bus incident is because Miyuki was on the bus.
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If not another terrorist attack. Tatsuya will save them.


And that's where you're wrong. He doesn't give a shit about anyone except his imouto so unless they do something specifically to Miyuki, I doubt he'd go to the trouble of saving anyone. I am 98% sure that the only reason he helped with the bus incident is because Miyuki was on the bus.


Is he really that cold? Wouldn't that mean his kindness to the other students (like Shizuku this ep) is all fake? It's hard to believe that when he goes out of his way to smile and give pep talks to other students.
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And that's where you're wrong. He doesn't give a shit about anyone except his imouto so unless they do something specifically to Miyuki, I doubt he'd go to the trouble of saving anyone. I am 98% sure that the only reason he helped with the bus incident is because Miyuki was on the bus.


Is he really that cold? Wouldn't that mean his kindness to the other students (like Shizuku this ep) is all fake? It's hard to believe that when he goes out of his way to smile and give pep talks to other students.


It's called faking. His monologues paint a very clear picture: Miyuki's his only priority. I f he looks worried about something, you can guarantee it has to do with her. If he's kind to someone, you can be damn sure it benefits Miyuki in the long run. In this case, his kindness to some people is mostly because they're Miyuki's friends. Or they're helping him in some way that ends up helping Miyuki in the end. Honestly, It's a tad creepy. And sad, how his life revolves around her.
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millie10468 said:
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Is he really that cold? Wouldn't that mean his kindness to the other students (like Shizuku this ep) is all fake? It's hard to believe that when he goes out of his way to smile and give pep talks to other students.


It's called faking. His monologues paint a very clear picture: Miyuki's his only priority. I f he looks worried about something, you can guarantee it has to do with her. If he's kind to someone, you can be damn sure it benefits Miyuki in the long run. In this case, his kindness to some people is mostly because they're Miyuki's friends. Or they're helping him in some way that ends up helping Miyuki in the end. Honestly, It's a tad creepy. And sad, how his life revolves around her.


makes sense. i mean
so only his mission of protecting his sister should matter to him.
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It's called faking. His monologues paint a very clear picture: Miyuki's his only priority. I f he looks worried about something, you can guarantee it has to do with her. If he's kind to someone, you can be damn sure it benefits Miyuki in the long run. In this case, his kindness to some people is mostly because they're Miyuki's friends. Or they're helping him in some way that ends up helping Miyuki in the end. Honestly, It's a tad creepy. And sad, how his life revolves around her.


I dunno, considering how shitty his life is, shouldn't he be happy to make some friends? At least they treat him as human.

Here's my advice to Tatsuya: "Never pass up a good thing." (A cookie to anyone who gets this reference)
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If not another terrorist attack. Tatsuya will save them.


And that's where you're wrong. He doesn't give a shit about anyone except his imouto so unless they do something specifically to Miyuki, I doubt he'd go to the trouble of saving anyone. I am 98% sure that the only reason he helped with the bus incident is because Miyuki was on the bus.
Why did he bother helping Mari then?
Why did he also bother helping Mizuki back in episode 10 when Miki accidently attacked her with his spirits (even though he even stated later that she wouldn't have suffered any damage even if had done nothing)?
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Speed shooting = just spam the trigger XD
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