Black Bullet (light novel)
| I've seen some people think this anime is really bad, just because it has lolis. Loli is always interpreted bad, as things for otakus, things for lolicons, etc. I'm not a lolicon, and i don't care if a show has 100s or even all characters are lolis as long as the story is really good. As for black bullet, i think the story is pretty good (not great though). The cursed children, being 10 years old(if i remember correctly) and all girls, imo is to become a tool for us to get the feels. Children being thrown away by their parents, discriminated, alienated from the society, etc. Because they're just weak children we can put sympathy on them. They're not strong enough to face the world yet. But unfortunately, this become a boomerang because of hate for lolis. So, do u think using lolis is a bad choice from the author? Do u think 'cursed children' being more grown ups and also has boys is more likeable? I mean more matured ones could have more personality and development. What do you say? Give me ur reasons also. |
JJHRTDJun 11, 2014 9:32 AM
| I think the Cursed Children would be better if it weren't just girls, but boys also. The main characters could still have their Initiators as girls if the creators so choose it, but I think some people (myself included :P) just need this kind of reassurance that the CC aren't just for loli fanservice and whatnot. Plus, little boys are just as cute as little girls, and not all of us dig suffering lolis like we have in Black Bullet. :D In my opinion it is fine for them to be children, as it makes them more sympathetic and seem more innocent of the 'crimes' society accuses them of to us viewers. Making sexual jokes with children like Black Bullet has been doing, however, isn't as good. And above all, I would have been totally fine with the CC just consisting of females if they were put in more realistic, uniform and battle-ready clothing. Just looking at the clothing that Enju, Tina, and all the other Initiators wear instantly springs loli fanservice to mind. XD If they were made to look more realistic and wear suitable gear when fighting the Gastrea then it would symbolise them more as "poor young girls being made into weapons", is all. The clothing they do wear makes it seem as if they were designed for lolicons... |
 |
| @InTheOtherWorld : Nice opinions u got there. Being children makes them innocent. Hmm.. didn't realize the clothes can become a loli fanservice, coz the civil security themselves also wear casual clothes. Though Enju's boots were actually designed for battle. |
jejehartadi said: @InTheOtherWorld : Nice opinions u got there. Being children makes them innocent. Hmm.. didn't realize the clothes can become a loli fanservice, coz the civil security themselves also wear casual clothes. Though Enju's boots were actually designed for battle. The rest of Enju's outfit, however, looks ridiculously hard to fight in. XD Especially for a girl who has so much movement during her battles. Tina's also looks pretty damn tricky, and how exactly does Fuse manage to keep that witch's hat on her head again? Think about it though; what more do lolicons look for than skimpily dressed, brightly coloured little girls in cutesy-esque frilly clothing? :3 The clothing is like a magnet for them; the only thing that would attract them more is a loli with no clothes on at all... *shudders* |
|
| To be honest the loli thing did bug me a little bit but not enough to give up on the show heck even my sister watches this show and she hates loli stuff. Also I love Enju's character not in a creepy way but aww she is cute and a good sister to Rentaro. :) |
Minori Kushieda Forever <3 |
| The author INTENDED for this series to be a lolicon heaven. It's in the author's notes for volume 1 of the light novel. So no; if it's supposed to have lolis it's not a bad choice to include them. |
 |
Botato said: The author INTENDED for this series to be a lolicon heaven. It's in the author's notes for volume 1 of the light novel. So no; if it's supposed to have lolis it's not a bad choice to include them. LOL Wow, the author really wrote notes abut that? |
jejehartadi said: Botato said: The author INTENDED for this series to be a lolicon heaven. It's in the author's notes for volume 1 of the light novel. So no; if it's supposed to have lolis it's not a bad choice to include them. LOL Wow, the author really wrote notes abut that? Sure did: To those currently browsing through and reading the afterword, please think of it as yourself being fooled and read the main work again. After that, you'll definitely realize that you're fooled. This work is meant to a form of entertainment involving lolicon heaven, breasts festivals, perverted gunfighting and nonsensical boxing. I sincerely hope you will not be reading through this again. Depends on the credibility of baka-tsuki. |
|
InTheOtherWorld said: I think the Cursed Children would be better if it weren't just girls, but boys also. The main characters could still have their Initiators as girls if the creators so choose it, but I think some people (myself included :P) just need this kind of reassurance that the CC aren't just for loli fanservice and whatnot. Plus, little boys are just as cute as little girls, and not all of us dig suffering lolis like we have in Black Bullet. :D In my opinion it is fine for them to be children, as it makes them more sympathetic and seem more innocent of the 'crimes' society accuses them of to us viewers. Making sexual jokes with children like Black Bullet has been doing, however, isn't as good. And above all, I would have been totally fine with the CC just consisting of females if they were put in more realistic, uniform and battle-ready clothing. Just looking at the clothing that Enju, Tina, and all the other Initiators wear instantly springs loli fanservice to mind. XD If they were made to look more realistic and wear suitable gear when fighting the Gastrea then it would symbolise them more as "poor young girls being made into weapons", is all. The clothing they do wear makes it seem as if they were designed for lolicons... Exactly^ |
Botato said: The author INTENDED for this series to be a lolicon heaven. It's in the author's notes for volume 1 of the light novel. So no; if it's supposed to have lolis it's not a bad choice to include them. Yeah, it's not a bad choice, (I'm not a lolicon lol). I think this issue won't make a bad affect on the plot or anything. |
 |
| Loliheaven?but isn't it more Lolihell with the current loli bodycount? Read that statement in Baka and I take it as he was kidding about it as loli heaven,with you know how loli's drop like rocks in BB. |
| Nope. Most anime watchers are always going to like lolis. Some in different ways then others. Story wise, the CC being at most 10 years old makes sense since the virus first appeared 10 years ago. Them being all female is explained with a very floozie excuse, but I'm OK with it, since I like lolis. Have to be honest, I would not have enjoyed the series as much if they were male instead of female. |
 |
kikohunter said: It definetely does not help the story look more serious honestly. Its the fact that it has characters like this that makes the dark aspect hit harder in my opinion. Not many anime can go from being extremely happy to extremely sad just like that and pull it off but this anime does it I think. |
| Minori Kushieda Forever <3 |
| Using/not using lolis as characters has zero impact on why it's bad (it does, however, influence people's views on whether or not it's bad). There are plenty of loli characters who are interesting (or at least tolerable) despite the unnecessary baggage that inevitably comes with being a loli. Illya from Fate, Shizuru from Rewrite, Makina from Grisaia; hell these are all from VNs, so maybe it's not a fair comparison. Black Bullet simply suffers from bad scriptwriting, awful characterisation, and laughable transitions from "super happy fun time with lolis" to "oh my god, all my friends are dead!" Winterluffy said: kikohunter said: It definetely does not help the story look more serious honestly. Its the fact that it has characters like this that makes the dark aspect hit harder in my opinion. Not many anime can go from being extremely happy to extremely sad just like that and pull it off but this anime does it I think. I strongly disagree. I was laughing/crying at how forced the drama towards the end of episode 10 was. |
SleepingEntityJun 13, 2014 5:10 AM
SleepingEntity said: Using/not using lolis as characters has zero impact on why it's bad (it does, however, influence people's views on whether or not it's bad). There are plenty of loli characters who are interesting (or at least tolerable) despite the unnecessary baggage that inevitably comes with being a loli. Illya from Fate, Shizuru from Rewrite, Makina from Grisaia; hell these are all from VNs, so maybe it's not a fair comparison. Black Bullet simply suffers from bad scriptwriting, awful characterisation, and laughable transitions from "super happy fun time with lolis" to "oh my god, all my friends are dead!" Winterluffy said: Its the fact that it has characters like this that makes the dark aspect hit harder in my opinion. Not many anime can go from being extremely happy to extremely sad just like that and pull it off but this anime does it I think. I strongly disagree. I was laughing/crying at how forced the drama towards the end of episode 10 was. That is your opinion we all have one ^^ Mine is I enjoy the show and think the story is well done. I wont deny I like hearing other peoples opinion but they never change mine thats for sure lol. I would say you are probably the same? |
| Minori Kushieda Forever <3 |
DmonHiro said: Have to be honest, I would not have enjoyed the series as much if they were male instead of female. That's exactly the problem. If the show is heavily relying on pandering and otaku-popular tropes to make its story work (especially in the more dramatic moments) rather than consistent writing and actual characterization, then yes, it is a bad choice. Just take episode 10 for example: why am I supposed to feel sad ? Because they're lolis and bombed lolis is sad? Or because their deaths carried any sort of meaning, and the writing is convincing enough to draw the discrimination of the CC in a coherent and realistic light and actually manages make me care about the whole thing? The problem with Black Bullet lies in the fact that it's more the first reason rather than the latter. In this regard, the CC's aren't much different than your average puppy : they're being shamelessly used by the author to get feels out of the audience. Another example I have in mind is Hunter x Hunter (2011) (no no, it's not that farfetched at all) : it features one of the most compelling and adorable friendships I've been given to see between two very very cute kids, Gon and Killua. They're both crazy kawaii, but the author never solely relied on that to make us care : they're well rounded characters and are not by any means defined by their cuteness factor or "shota appeal" (something I couldn't say about any of the lolis in Black Bullet, not even the main ones). Botato said: How were anime-only viewers supposed to know?The author INTENDED for this series to be a lolicon heaven. It's in the author's notes for volume 1 of the light novel. Plus I don't see how that's supposed to excuse a seemingly very poor writing choice. |
SapewlothJun 13, 2014 9:11 AM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Sapewloth said: How were anime-only viewers supposed to know? Not really sure what your point is. But to be fair, this little note is at the end of volume 1, which according to people who read the novels the volumes for BB are not small, so whether it's anime or LN you wouldn't know until you're already into it. As for the anime, I'm pretty sure that by episode 3 or 4 everything in the note was obvious and the show was clear as to what it's intentions are. Sapewloth said: That's subjective, there are people that like this and think it's good.Plus I don't see how that's supposed to excuse a seemingly very poor writing choice. I don't recall saying it's an excuse. I was just making clear where OP's question fits into all this. Basically, it's like telling the author to make a story about lolis and then tell him "don't include lolis because they are a bad writing choice." I'm not really sure why the author picked lolis, but I can try to guess. One possibility is he wanted to troll lolicons by making them think this is an awesome action series with lolis as the super heroes, but instead they see their beloved lolis meet their horrible ends. Another one would be that he wants to make something messed up, it was mentioned that BB is inspired by Urobutcher's works (just a rumor I think). Assuming that's true, this possibility would make sense. Why lolis? Well, it was used before and was effective (well, not lolis exactly but moe/cute girls etc.. see: Elfen Lied/Higurashi). Sapewloth said: Just take episode 10 for example: why am I supposed to feel sad ? Because they're lolis and bombed lolis is sad? Or because their deaths carried any sort of meaning, and the writing is convincing enough to draw the discrimination of the CC in a coherent and realistic light and actually manages make me care about the whole thing? The problem with Black Bullet lies in the fact that it's more the first reason rather than the latter. In this regard, the CC's aren't much different than your average puppy : they're being shamelessly used by the author to get feels out of the audience. Well, I didn't feel sad. But this didn't come off as a cheap way to get feels from the viewers, nor did I think that the author was aiming to get "feels" in the first place. To me it was more of a way for the author to show us how disgusting paranoid human beings can be when disaster falls. And it was pretty effective as far as I am concerned. |
|
| The dialogue is just terrible. I don't mind the pandering but it is an awkward combination for a show that tries to be serious. |
InTheOtherWorld said: Making sexual jokes with children like Black Bullet has been doing, however, isn't as good. I don't get why people clump together "loli" and "children." Keep reality and anime separate - they're not the same thing. I am personally fine with a little fan service from loli or loli-esque characters, even though it'd be unacceptable in real life. |
  |
astro-kun said: InTheOtherWorld said: Making sexual jokes with children like Black Bullet has been doing, however, isn't as good. I don't get why people clump together "loli" and "children." Keep reality and anime separate - they're not the same thing. I am personally fine with a little fan service from loli or loli-esque characters, even though it'd be unacceptable in real life. But they are children. <:( Enju is 10 years old! I don't think that makes it justifiable. It isn't right to put children in erotic situations, fanservice or not. BB isn't the first anime to do this, far from it, but that still doesn't mean that they should. |
|
| I didn't hear anybody complaining in Gunslinger Girls. |
| I personally think it was not bad. Not necessary, in person it just an okay rate. Just, dont put it at every episode, rushed it like hell, and act as a bait to blow the mind. If they wanna put that, just take it into the usual Hentai shit show. Thats it all. |
 Hide and seek is the best offline games on this fatamorgana-called-world-thing. Please comment nicely. I am newbie here. I'm level  on mal-badges. View my badges  |
| I see lolis as a plus and that couldn't even save this anime. It was just really bad. |
More topics from this board
Poll: » Black Bullet Episode 8 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Stark700 - May 27, 2014 |
191 |
by mon_ke_po
»»
Mar 16, 8:49 PM |
|
Poll: » Black Bullet Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Apr 8, 2014 |
434 |
by mon_ke_po
»»
Mar 14, 5:49 PM |
|
Poll: » Black Bullet Episode 4 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Apr 29, 2014 |
397 |
by Karva1
»»
Mar 3, 7:32 AM |
|
Poll: » Best Girl? ( 1 2 3 )Blind_Guardian - May 17, 2014 |
105 |
by proxima16
»»
Dec 22, 2023 6:47 AM |
|
Poll: » Black Bullet Episode 13 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Jul 1, 2014 |
520 |
by Archean-Return
»»
Oct 30, 2023 3:40 PM |