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Mar 24, 2015 2:59 PM
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Thanks. Have you read the light novels? If so, how accurate is the anime and where should i start from? I know they skipped volume 4, but that's about it
Mar 24, 2015 6:28 PM

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Ookami to Koushinryou was a great series. I liked the second season even more than the first one. This series had the best female main character I've seen. The character development was also nearly perfect. And the steadily evolving relationship between the two main characters was the best romantic relationship I've seen. I truly hope that someday they will make a season 3 for this series.
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Mar 30, 2015 4:18 AM

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How this series doesn't have 6 seasons, and a movie really baffles me.
The story is too freaken good not to be animated. I now know how most of you feel.

Was Spice and Wolf not popular in Japan? Only thing I can think of.
Apr 3, 2015 2:03 PM

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That was dumb
Apr 8, 2015 1:55 PM
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lawrence is love. finally a level headed male protag who doesn't blush and stumble at every hurdle! a charming intelligent guy too. it feels like it has been a while lol. they have great chemistry :>
Apr 10, 2015 9:44 AM

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Just watched the two seasons and this is one of the best anime that already watch. I was very sad to see that the anime did not finish the story, and the fact that already makes nearly 6 years and there is no sign of a third season is very depressing. All that remains is to read the light novels to see the end of the story.
I do not know if I can watch this anime again since the end left a huge void that no other anime can complete.

it is a shame that the light novels have not been released here in Brazil. I would really love to read the light novels in my native language.
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Apr 25, 2015 4:26 AM

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If you are from Brazil, did you tried to look on the web? There are tons of translations made by your country .. weird not finding one :O

I didn´t liked the last episode. Just heart broken (in a bad way) .. what a horrible end to such a beautiful series. Such realationship should have an ending. I don´t know how it didn´t had success ... It took way the 9/10 that i had for this anime. The simplicity and the beauty of their relationship has no equal (at least so far i didn´t saw anything close to it).

Well the only thing we can do now, is wait .. maybe when i get thirty i will be able to watch the third season *.*

Apr 25, 2015 10:12 AM

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Visceras said:
If you are from Brazil, did you tried to look on the web? There are tons of translations made by your country .. weird not finding one :O

most translations are from the manga.

I did not find many translations of the light novels.
May 4, 2015 1:44 PM

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Perfect ending to a damn good series. I'm planning to read the novel soon since they don't seem to have plan for doing another season.
May 11, 2015 5:13 PM

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A beautiful ending to an amazing series. I really am sad to see its actually over :(.

I'll definitely be picking up the light novels at some point since it seems rather unlikely they'll be making a season 3. Though I do still hold out a faint hope they'll decide to someday.

Again, just like the first season I can give this nothing less then a 10/10

I Absolutely LOVED this series and everything about it. Especially Holo <333!!
May 18, 2015 4:04 PM

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God dammit I wish there was a 3rd season... maybe after 6 years they'll make it? :D
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May 18, 2015 4:19 PM

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kyle8998 said:
God dammit I wish there was a 3rd season... maybe after 6 years they'll make it? :D

^they won't but we can dream!
May 27, 2015 3:46 PM

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Just finished the series and the ending was a disappointment to me. The first season had everything, and the second felt like they were purposely tapering us off as if to force you to buy the novels($150 later). I don't think a third season is doable, especially after that over the ledge into the abyss ending.
Jul 28, 2015 9:43 PM

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I thought it was good but not for the ending as it seems rushed to me. Lots of things happening but was resolved without much build up. However, what made it good was that Lawrence himself saw something more important than just earning profits and pursuing his own dream at the expense of losing someone valuable to him. From the first half, the characters were 'tested' to see the bond in between them as I can see how fragile the trust between them were. However, the 2nd half build up their relationship better because both of them genuinely care for each other. Lawrence learned from the person (I forgot his name) who taught him that there is something more than just profiting. I see Abe as the 'alternate version' of Lawrence in the sense that she was willing to profit at the expense of others without any regards to her own life.

Anyway, I am giving it a 7/10 just like first season. I really think the ending could have done better and Holo lost some of her charm as compared to the first season. What happened to the unpredictable side of her? I really wished I don't get to see her hitting and berating Lawrence, not that I think it's bad to show the bond between them but it felt as if the show was trying too hard to tell me about their relationship.
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Aug 6, 2015 9:44 AM

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Season 3 please.?
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Aug 8, 2015 11:32 AM

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Dammit !! What a beautiful serie ! I just watched the entire season 1 and 2 in 2 days (Holydays power ;) ) and I was like O_O for ezch episodes ^^. Now we are in 2015, and no season 3 ... Does someone knows something about if there are planning to do the 3rd season?
Oct 29, 2015 8:49 PM

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What can I say...too much betrayal in this series.
Well I love to see Holo and Lawrence interesting...other than that I am not interest at all.
Kind of confuse with this ending...
Dec 7, 2015 10:37 AM
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Mikiyo said:
Heck I don&#039;t need to say anything, do I? 10/10 and I&#039;ll put myself into hibernation mode until S3.

well said ;D
Dec 19, 2015 12:40 PM

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Yup. None of that Japanese anime porn rape bullshit. Wow, what a change of pace!

Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit.
Dec 28, 2015 8:47 PM

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i don't know i preferred the first season more. and they freakin' amped that sexual tension between lawrence and holo and it just didn't deliver. it was a good series for sure but can't help but feel disappointed. and the stories and situations in the first season were more entertaining for me. ah well, it's been fun. glad to have finally watched this series. 7/10
Jan 1, 2016 3:22 PM

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Everytime Lawrence makes a big deal, he ends up with a lot of trouble and usually with a lot less money. Horo saved him from that with Amarti, on the other hand, the whole thing wasn't Lawrence idea in the first place, but it got "forced" on him by Amarti and Horo. Incidentally, Amarti ended up with a lot less money...

A third season.. i don't know. Lawrence should finally have learned his lessons, so we could only watch them searching for clues about Horos past, and the next season would be basically uneventful and involve a lot less trading.
Jan 2, 2016 3:50 AM
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NwAurion said:
Everytime Lawrence makes a big deal, he ends up with a lot of trouble and usually with a lot less money. Horo saved him from that with Amarti, on the other hand, the whole thing wasn't Lawrence idea in the first place, but it got "forced" on him by Amarti and Horo. Incidentally, Amarti ended up with a lot less money...

Actually, Horo didn't so much save him as get him in that situation to begin with by over-reacting, then not being honest, then going to Diana instead (who set up the endgame because she was ticked off at Horo). Lawrence would have actually been just fine; it wasn't his own money he was playing with to begin with. Amarti also didn't really lose any serious money, he just took a wound to his pride and ego.
Jan 5, 2016 4:03 PM
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Finally a kiss...ik it's too late but will this anime get s3?
Jun 29, 2016 9:25 AM

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At the end of the first season, I concluded that Holo is one of God's gifts to mankind, however, after this season/finale, it is obvious that she is the one true gift of God.
Aug 3, 2016 5:58 AM

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Kinda sad it ended like it did knowing this never got a season 3 but ahh well. We can still dream.

I knew Fleur was shady from the moment I saw her. Stabbing Lawrence in the back like that. Though I guess it's a good thing that the plan failed since now he doesn't have to be separated from Holo.

Didn't expect Lawrence to confess his feelings like that but I'm so happy he did. Just wish Holo could do the same. I'm sure she will do eventually. Also was that supposed to be a kiss at the end? Seemed to me like they were just rubbing noses.

Now if only the light novels I ordered would arrive sooner so I continue the story. I need more Holo greatness <3
Aug 28, 2016 6:54 AM
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I just binge watched season 1 and 2 and need to vent here.

So I was after a more series adult anime and this was obviously a highly liked and popular choice.

Season 1 and the subsequent OVA nailed it for me. The drama was mostly believable, the main characters were trying to work each other out, but the issues between them didn't feel "forced". I gave season 1 a 10/10, loved it.

What made season 1 so great was the interactions between Horo and Lawrence, their flirting, squabbles and business deals. They felt like a team, a duo. It had such a good balance of romance, drama and action.

Season 2 lost the plot as far as I'm concerned.

Season 2 managed to kill that feeling. Multiple episodes where they never even spoke to each other, forced drama and plot elements that blew my mind and not in a good way.

The story archs went on wayyy too damn long. Both needed to be cut by 2 episodes each so we could have some actual Spice and Wolf in the anime instead of this forced drama.

The forced drama man... That argument they had about him knowing Yoitsu might have been destroyed all along could have all been avoided if he'd just said "but I don't know for sure, and want to keep searching with it for you, I'm sorry". His character was always shy from emotion so I can kind of understand that, but the way she attacked him blew my mind, and then the signing of that marriage proposal.

I'm not sure if Japan is just chock full of beta males with no self respect, but I don't know anybody that would have taken those harsh words from her, come back to see her signing a marriage proposal with another man (she just met) and actually still tried to be with her.

The anime trope of female characters "testing" the MC is annoying at the best of times in light hearted ecchis, but in a serious anime like this to me it was unforgivable. And I thought once the first arch was over, they would be done with the whole "you don't want to travel with me" thing and they'd "kissed and made up" metaphorically.

But then they went back to it in arch 2 with the "just give me away and use me as collateral if it fails". I'm sorry, what? I know Lawrence hadn't admitted it to her yet, but he knew he loved her by this stage, but was willing to risk their relationship on some money? No, just no. And the way she seemed determined to get them separated after they had just made up like 2 episodes early I found hard to fathom. They had that really cute episode where they first got to the arch 2 town and were all cutesy and back to their season 1 best, and all of a sudden she has another freak out? Felt so out of character.

And the final episode, meant to be the big shabang, totally blew it. She reciprocated no feelings after trying to get him to be open for 17 episodes. Which I'd understand if she was over him, but she wasn't. That entire scene where he said I love you she felt out of character. Where's Horo gone, she's not here, just a cardboard cut-out with no emotions. She reacted strongly to being kissed on the hand but with a stone wall when he finally confessed? Please...

TL:DR: Spice and Wolf lost it's spice and wolf in season 2. The travelling merchant duo disappeared. I gave season 1 a 10/10, season 2 fell flat on it's face to me. The plot was unbelievable, and the characters were unbelievable. 7/10 for me, and I'd put it lower if I didn't love season 1 so much. Season 2 disappointing me, angered me, bored me and left me feeling hollow.
Modified by Commissar_G, Aug 28, 2016 7:42 AM
Aug 29, 2016 8:27 AM
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Commissar_G said:
Season 2 lost the plot as far as I'm concerned.

If anything, season two dropped the safe, cutesy act and showed us just how broken the characters are. It's fine to not like that and wish it had stayed the same as season one, but it didn't really lose the plot so much as progress it It just didn't turn out to be the plot you wanted, to the extent that you naturally don't want to acknowledge the subtext. But the drama wasn't "forced" at all, it was just unpleasant and too concentrated for its own good into one season.

When you consider that these are two very lonely (isolated, really) people who are afraid of hurting each other and being hurt, it all makes sense. The closer they get, the more they risk, and they've been out of touch with their own feelings for so long that they can't cope with such risk like sensible people. Lawrence has been living like a robot for many years, and Holo has basically been a hermit for even longer. Once their relationship progresses and their masks start to crumble, of course they'll do nonsensical and rage-inducing things, like Lawrence freezing up and then boiling over to "win Holo back", or Holo panicking and wanting to run away from their relationship entirely. These are characters with the combined emotional fortitude of a squirrel, once their masks are off, and it takes more than a little flirting and traveling together to overcome such things.

To me it's far less believable that the two of them somehow remained chaste through season one, let alone both seasons.
Sep 10, 2016 6:49 AM

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Yeah I don't really like the ending for this season
Kinda didn't really understand some of it

Oh well
Time to read LN! xD
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Oct 5, 2016 4:43 PM
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just watched it in its entirety, i got depressed from the ending tbh, it ended in a "happy"/optimistic way but it didnt finish on any particular note, its actually sad in a way more than if someone would of died and we get to see a scene where a character visits a grave.
anyone know if there is hope of a season 3 ? feels like to much time has passed now for that to happen.
Aiming for 400 completed series. or 10.000 episodes.
Jan 8, 2017 10:43 AM

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Yeah, it seems like there's no hope for anime continuation :(
I've just completed re-watching the series and I'd love to watch it now even more...
Jan 16, 2017 4:55 AM

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I'm still salty about the useless kiss. that was a peck or some shit. rewatching this show just made me pissed of
Jan 21, 2017 4:31 PM

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Oh man that kiss scene ruined my day. I've never seen such fucking trash I expected much much more after all this but besides that overall this season was good and the entire series in general was good.
Mar 7, 2017 12:19 PM

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Oh Lawrence finally said it! I knew that Abe chick was shady as hell, tho it seems like she partly kept her bargain? Well 8/10 for me.
Apr 11, 2017 3:55 PM
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This ending was so sad.

After everything they went through together, especially the Amati arc i was SURE they would have never let each other down. But when Lawrence finally understands what really matters to him, and timidly tries to do something, hes mocked by Horo.
That scene literally broke my hearth. They have (mostly horo) understandable fear of suffering that they will have to overcome:
Everything starts and everything ends. Anything that borns is bound to die. Why should we live if we hare bound to die? Why should we create things that are going to disappear? There is no escape to all of this.

Not being happy because that happiness wont last forever is pointless.
Jun 7, 2017 5:25 PM

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An open ending... I think it's something plausible and acceptable for the end of this series.
It's not a "...and lived happily ever after." but it's not a sad ending either.
Their journey doesn't end yet, in fact, a new one started.

I think the kiss could have used a bit more or feeling but, as most of their flirting with eachother till now, they take is as a game and teasing so I'm willing to let this pass; heck, they may even think about it later and realize it.

There's still road ahead to the north. If they split up or not it's not our business anymore. Remember that it's not that she's scared of watching him die, rather than getting bored of the marvelous interactions she has with him.

PD: No really, I wanted- No, they deserved a better kiss, an epic kiss. I mean, they were so freaking adorable all this time... A great kiss could only be justice.
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Jun 14, 2017 10:24 PM

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Jeez, Lawrence finally confessing only to receive a tease in return. Aiy aiy aiy.

While not as much as last season, there is still far too much that went over my head in terms of the business dealings and profits and all.

But damn, that ending did not have nearly enough closure for my liking. No wonder waiting for a season 3 has become such a meme.

8/10, though, would have been higher if the ending didn't feel so abrupt.
Jun 24, 2017 7:17 PM

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I love it when anime's having a happy ending. After watching both seasons I can see why this show is so highly recommend.

Aug 14, 2017 12:17 AM
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So what chapter would ep 12 be in the manga?
Sep 8, 2017 2:04 AM

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Trade failed... that's it?? This ending just feel anti-climatic... Hardly any character development. That small kiss is all to remember. At the moment im giving this rating between 6/10 - 7/10 until if S3 ever comes out.
Oct 26, 2017 6:56 AM

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What a waste, i really liked the first season, but this second is a let down. I really hated Lawrence's decision-making.

Why do we have to live in such a cruel world?

Nov 24, 2017 2:32 PM
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There needs to be an ova of holo slowly eating that avve boland girl for 20 mins then 10 mins of of holo and Lawrence's banter
Jan 3, 2018 8:45 PM
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I liked it. the only reason i didn't love it is because there isn't a third season.I want a third season more than anything. But i guess ill have to pick up the LNs like everyone else. REALLY prefer the anime tho
Jan 16, 2018 7:15 PM

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"You defied my foolishness with everything you had. That's why... I... I'll go along with your foolishness."

Absolutely beautiful line.

The first arc had some major character problems, imo, but the second arc was fantastic. I still feel the anime as a whole, season one included, was underwhelming. It had a lot of potential, and maybe the author of the novels was taking his time building a larger plot (as well as doing some fantastic world building), or maybe it really is just a series of humble story arcs about a merchant and a wolf goddess. Simplicity is a double edged sword. It is both the strength and weakness of this anime. It is what draws the people that love it, but it is also what keeps it from becoming truly great. I certainly get tired at all the failed attempts at epic storytelling, or overrated stories that everybody thinks is epic, but Spice and Wolf has the right combination of world, characters, and plot that could make for a tale that would blow most everything else out of the water.

I hope we get to see that someday. The world is built and the author is still writing the story. I am very curious as to where he will take that world.
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Jan 30, 2018 11:46 PM

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I think the ending was okay, but the kiss felt rushed and plain (wasn't romantic). The story overall was good but Lawrence was useless in most events (even in this ep his ass was handed to him by Eve) and his ass was saved by Holo in many times( like the Amarty one and this one).

As her boyfriend he would suck though but as her gal she would be great. BUT i am looking forward to s3 even though its 2018 (still hopeful)

8/10 because of Holo's character.
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Jan 30, 2018 11:49 PM

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Euphoria said:
What a waste, i really liked the first season, but this second is a let down. I really hated Lawrence's decision-making.

I think you are very correct, his decisions were idiotic specifically the Amarty saga and this Eve saga
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Feb 1, 2018 3:53 PM

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Burned through this in 7 hrs.
Despite a less than stellar dip (the Amarty arc) I enjoyed this series immensely.
I am still holding out hope for a third season but it has finally come to pass..... as a result of the often mentioned skipped 4th volume regarding the anime I am now, for the first time ever, reading a light novel. :)
I may not be able to keep myself from reading more, to see how this story developes......
May 23, 2018 10:59 PM

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Another great, dialogue-heavy and enticing season of Spice and Wolf. It’s a pity that there isn’t a third season to watch, but I’m hoping we will get that sometime.

I, personally, enjoyed the first season more because it was less dialogue-heavy for one thing, I’m a Science student not an Econometric folk, and Lawrence seemed more confident and enjoyable to watch except for that one blunder in the end. On the other hand, we only got two to three arcs this time and among that we got Lawrences’ poor decision making not once but twice already. I didn’t see that coming, but I imagine such things are only natural for a travelling merchant. I couldn’t help though but feel a little disappointed nonetheless. Even this season finale didn’t live up to it really, it felt really bland I guess. Finally, we got to see Lawrence reveal his feelings for Holo but what was about that kiss though? Bloody hell, first of all, the animation took a sudden dip in quality and, secondly, how did it not affect Holo at all? She seemed completely calm and composed, isn’t that exactly contradictory? Well, leaving this aside, even the next few minutes of the epsiode didn’t really have much of an impact so that’s a little underwhelming considering how great this show has fared over the other 24 or so epsiodes. I’m pretty sure the fate of Abe was indicated by Lawrence in the latter half of the epsiode, but I would still have preferred a little screen time to that.

All in all, though, it was a great and entertaining journey. I might pick up the light novels soon, but I hope a third season is in the making although it’s quite obvious by now that there isn’t.

- Storyline/Plot Development: 7.5/10
- Character Development/Characterization: 8.3/10
- Sound Department: 8/10
- Art/Animation Scale: 8/10
- Personal Enjoyment: 8/10

- Overall: 8.2/10.
May 25, 2018 12:49 PM
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I thought the end was to rushed. The kiss was brushed of to fast. Holo didn't even reacted in the kiss. I think a 13 episode season like spice and wolf 2 would have been good. The main conflicts of the show were resolved. Lorence admitted his feelings , kiss, Holos Hometown doesn't exist anymore... But feels incomplete. Too bad we didn't got a third season. Honestly I'm bit disappointed now. It was more an open end than a truly satisfying one for mem
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