Black Butler
CHALLANGE_ME_NEO said: YonebayashiSaiko said: woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah this is awesome i always wondered why ciel never had any scars on his stomach or anything although i always thought it possible he was having a nightmare over what could have been him, but was the person he saw sacrificed instead. this is really interesting omg He did though. on his back I think YonebayashiSaiko meant a scar from a stab wound. Sure he has the branding, but there was no mark left from when Ciel was stabbed in his stomach on the altar. As we have seen in the green witch arc, Sebastian is not able to cure/heal everything, so one has to wonder why he has no wound if he was stabbed, if the two ciel theory is not real. However, I don't think that matters much anyway, as we see here he has no wound or blood on his front at all even while still in the kidnappers room, standing next to the pile of blood, with all of his other wounds still present. |
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| Ok so i read through all of this, which convinced me of this theory, and i cant remember if this was pointed out but in chapter 113 Lizzy is seen at ciels side If you notice the background it's different from the one our!Ciel is in. like at the tile's and the walls And later when Sebastian fights Lizzy she says she can't go back to 'that side' not his but that. At first I thought nothing of it but then i saw this theory and it got me thinking... or am i looking to much into it.. |
| Thought I'd add what happened in chapter 126 in relation to the theory. |
OmelettecatMar 22, 2017 9:07 PM
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hopeless_light said: Ok so i read through all of this, which convinced me of this theory, and i cant remember if this was pointed out but in chapter 113 Lizzy is seen at ciels side If you notice the background it's different from the one our!Ciel is in. like at the tile's and the walls And later when Sebastian fights Lizzy she says she can't go back to 'that side' not his but that. At first I thought nothing of it but then i saw this theory and it got me thinking... or am i looking to much into it.. I also think it's interesting that we can't see Ciel's eyepatch when Lizzie is visiting him. And of course they put our!Ciel in the same outfit as everyone else so it's harder to distinguish them right off the bat. |
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| the 2 ciel theory is a interesting one and to be honest it was the first thing that came into my mind after reading the chapter, however there's one thing that makes me really doubt the 'twin theory' and that's Souma's reaction; if it was Ciel or a ciel - look - alike who visited him, knowing Souma, he'd probably jump all over 'Ciel', which he didn't - he stayed rather calm (for Souma - standards) so that's when it doesn't add up anymore in my opinion... but maybe I just don't want it to be a twin/look alike, since that would be too obvious and I like being surprised ^^' |
| This thread made me go back to continue reading after I dropped it long ago around the school arc. Nice theory. Very nice. I really like it and now I can't wait for the reveal. The latest chapter (126) with Agni's expression after seeing the burnt photo sent me chills... |
| Maybe I'm too simple but I think you shouldn't take his words literally. For me, the sacrifice was his soul - that Sebastian will collect when the revenge is finished. What he "left behind" or we see him run through (a bloody ciel, Madam Red,etc) is "his old self": the defenceless kid, the happy and cheerful one. Now he is a person that decided to abandoned his "humanity", his emotions to fulfill his revenge. Sebastian was laughing because the situation + his words were amusing. Like the one with the light, he laughed because Ciel tries to appear all grown up but in the end he is only a child who needs someone to wait for him to fall asleep. |
| I hate twin/evil twin plots. They're always too easy. And after the last chapters this theory is finally starting to make a little bit of sense. And that upsets me even more because, no one ever in the 100+ chapters of manga ever speaks of a brother. And it doesn't make sense that our!Ciel would take his brother identity. I mean, after everyone is dead he is the heir, it finally didn't made a difference that he was younger. So why lie? There's really no evidence of a twin in earlier chapters, only now it is starting to look like it,and it feels desperate, like "let's just pull something so the story evolves, those guys on the internet came up with this wild idea, let's do that" |
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| Woah woah it's so crazy and insane. Ok, it's original and interesting but I still hope it's not true idk why. |
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Vivi_shan30 said: Honestly, I feel like people will attack me still but I don't like the twin theory. It's extra in my opinion, and I love Ciel so much even though it took me time to actually warm up to his character only need one. Don't worry I'm with you! |
"Please stop talking about math when I'm eating." |
| Wow, looks like we got some really interesting hints towards the two ciels theory in chapter 128. |
OmelettecatMay 20, 2017 4:11 AM
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| it'd be hilariously disappointing if the picture that Agni found was just a picture of Sebastian, Ciel's dog |
| I fully support this theory. |
riecchanMay 21, 2017 9:50 AM
| I think this theory is pretty much confirmed, although I hate it, I did not want it to be confirmed. There's also something that bothers me, everyone assumes ourCiel is the younger and just assumed realCiel identity. But it makes no sense since everyone was dead he was the heir anyway. |
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| add something for people who questions about madam's red past (the fault is on mistranslation) : so for people who didn't like the two ciel theory is basically because: mistranslation of many on eng part because translator is on belief there's only 1 ciel, or the matter of taste. that's all |
| It's surreal to finally meet real!ciel |
OmelettecatJun 17, 2017 7:27 AM
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ChiYama said: so for people who didn't like the two ciel theory is basically because: mistranslation of many on eng part because translator is on belief there's only 1 ciel, or the matter of taste. guess it's really difficult to translate without spoiling too much |
Naomiyaki said: SolitaryDarkness said: nah, I'm not thaaaaat flimsy xD either way since he probably couldn't have taken it from vincent's body/hand, this seems to be a possibily :) they might happen if the lord phantomhive "that is still with us" ends up being ciel's (in theory) brother :D ahhhhh, had completely forgotten about that xD well, it still is a bit of a stretch, though, yeah xD I'm kind of confused about the fencing scene too. If their were two ciels then why did ciel remember that moment if he wasn't engaged to Elizabeth? The way he talked was like it was his personal experience but does that mean he was engaged to Elizabeth and did know her? To me that memory looks more like Lizzy's than anyone else's. The majority of the chapter is in her point of view. And if that clue is to be believed and our!Ciel was sitting out, it makes sense he'd at least know about the conversation. But to be honest he's fibbed tons of things to act as if he knows something about the past he shouldn't- take the easter egg hunt for example. So here: I can totally see that being Ciel just going with it and acting as if he remembers. He even goes "What?! What do you mean by that?!" like he doesn't get it at all. |
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idk for other people but for my case it's kinda necessary so people won't be too much in shock with the revealment or may people can dismiss it. beside the author had planned this since day 1. And in fact after new chapter came out many people were angry about this theory came true because they still deny that it not make sense at all. but I don't want to blame the translator either because they did work hard with it.. but i just believe they were interpret there's only 1 ciel because how unaware they are with the mangaka positioning of all the mystery. So it's like mangaka trying to tricked w us too. |
| oh my god the latest chapter proves this!!! Also, there's a theory that the twin is actually Vincent Phantomhive, Ciel's dad? |
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| And it's confirmed after 10 years, good stuff "slow claps". But it's also clear that RealCiel did die so the obvious next surprise is that RealCiel is a zombie. SkyFullOfStars said: Also, there's a theory that the twin is actually Vincent Phantomhive, Ciel's dad? I've also heard it's Elizabeth dressed up like Ciel cause she lost her mind XD the denial is real. |
ichii_1Jun 21, 2017 2:02 PM
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| for people who quite denial toward ciel twin theory should see Yana's editor being interviewed: (aka the author had confirmed itself) ──原作では5月27日発売の23巻から「青の教団編」に突入します。その辺りの見どころもお伺いできますか。 「黒執事」は縦軸と横軸のある物語の作り方をしています。◯◯編というひとつのエピソードで楽しめる横軸と、章が終わる度にセバスチャンとシエルの関係性、またはシエルの生い立ちの物語が少しずつ進む縦軸がある。今章は、その縦軸の部分がダントツに進むように作りたいなと思っています。なので少し「黒執事」から離れていた人も、この機会に戻ってきてもらえるとうれしいですね。ただ僕らもコロコロ変わるんで、そう言いながら全然違う話になるかもしれないですけど……（笑）。 ──In the manga, the “Blue Sect arc” will start in vol. 23, which is going to be released on 27th May. Can you tell me more about any highlights? Kuroshitsuji is created as a story that has a vertical axis as well as a horizontal one. The horizontal axis consists of arcs that can be enjoyed as separate episodes, while the vertical axis is something that moves forward little by little throughout the series. For example, there is Sebastian’s and Ciel’s relationship that changes whenever an arc ends, or the story of Ciel’s past. In this arc, we’re planning to create a story in which said vertical axis moves forward a lot. So I’d be glad if people who felt a bit estranged from “Kuroshitsuji” took this chance and came back. However, we always change our mind a lot, so even though I told you all these things, it might turn out to be a completely different story… (lol) [source] Also Yana's comment on the blog of foreshadowing: [source] So there's no way it just came out of nowhere and we all know yana had planned this since beginning. (oh yeah bonus of Yana's comment about real!ciel appearances.) |
ChiYamaJun 23, 2017 10:10 PM
| And people are acting like this came out of nowhere lol. |
| I just came to the conclusion that the reason why Undertaker was so obsessed with zombie experimentation, stems from his obsession of wanting to recreate the real Ciel. |
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