Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Episode 5 Discussion

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O wow people from different cultural back ground has different opinion on equality, they must be retarded!!!

The whole point of the ep was really to point out the fact that the so call anti discrimisation group are just pawns, they don't know wtf they even doing. This mirrors real life pretty well, you get shit ton of people protesting shit but when you ask them wtf they want or if they have any solution they don't know shit. Coz they being used by other people who just want them to cause trouble.

Also the only discrimination that really happens is students looking down on each other, sorry that shit happens in real school too, popular kid discriminate against less popular kids, school can't do shit about it. As for the teacher, there isn't enough teachers basically is the deal, In the LN its stated that out of the 9 magic high school only 3 has 200 students (per year), all the other 6 school only carry 100. (per year).

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Looks like things are starting to get serious! Finally though, this show was very slow paced up until now.

May 4, 2014 1:09 PM

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The flaw with these type of episodes, is that they rely more on the character's subtle actions but mostly their personality to carry the episode. Also, the way information is convey is extremely important.

Mayumi, and Erika are my favourite characters in this series, but the way MadHouse made them so utterly boring really irks me.

This episode felt like being in a lecture hall with a boring professor giving his lecture with a monotone voice while the materials are moving at a snail pace.

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May 4, 2014 1:11 PM

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Dialogs in this anime are killing me....

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May 4, 2014 1:30 PM

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Pretty good episode again this week. I'm looking forward to the action next week.

So far the adaptation has been pretty good in my opinion. I still prefer the novels, but I have no complaints about the anime.

May 4, 2014 1:35 PM

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RexZShadow said:
O wow people from different cultural back ground has different opinion on equality, they must be retarded!!!

Asians don't actually want equality? Good to know, so all those people we Europeans subjugated and exploited had no actual problem with it. They just revolted from time to time, because they simply couldn't understand how hard our ancestors had worked to be born caucasian and how that made them obviously superior. Stupid fools!

Now I never have to feel guilty again.

VentrisMay 4, 2014 1:39 PM

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O wow people from different cultural back ground has different opinion on equality, they must be retarded

Well, some concepts of "equality" are retarded, it really depends on the source of the inequality and whether there is a reason for the inequality.

Lets take three examples. For instance NBA players earn millions of dollars a year because, for the most part, of a genetic inheritance. If someone were to demand equality of NBA players so that there should be an equal number of players below 5'10 (avg for US) as above the vast majority of people would think that person was retarded. Likewise there is a reason for this inequality, namely that millions of people will pay money to watch NBA players compete.

However, if 250 years ago, nobility was thought to be naturally superior to the "avg" human, but there was no natural source for this superiority, nor was there any real reason for them to be treated as superior, so someone taking to task a proponent that the Nobility are actually superior would not be retarded.

In the case of this series, the question is which "inequality" are we talking about: are magicians closer to NBA players or Nobility.

The third example is instructive: medical doctors earn far more than the average worker because they both have a source for inequality (years of medical school) and a reason (we like medical service). So is it retarded to argue that doctors shouldn't be treated equally?

I would say yes, because the person complaining sure isn't willing to refuse medical treatment, nor do they appreciate how hard it is to become a doctor. They want the benefit, but refuse to accept the cost. In this world, Magicians are somewhere between NBA players and Doctors, they are not closer to "nobility". They have a unique genetic inheritance that has a real value to the world, for which they must sacrifice (i.e. risk their lives). As such there is both a source and a reason for the inequality.

Some people's attacks on the show haven't paid attention to anything this show has said about Magicians, they are not simply "the rich" or the "99%"

However, given that the show has gone on at some length about how the weeds do feel inferior, to expect a simple speech to turn the tide on their resentment isn't going to happen either.

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May 4, 2014 1:59 PM

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Ventris said:

RexZShadow said:
O wow people from different cultural back ground has different opinion on equality, they must be retarded!!!

Asians don't actually want equality? Good to know, so all those people we Europeans subjugated and exploited had no actual problem with it. They just revolted from time to time, because they simply couldn't understand how hard our ancestors had worked to be born caucasian and how that made them obviously superior. Stupid fools!

Now I never have to feel guilty again.

Aisas are pretty merit based when it comes to this shit. If your talented, if your smart you get better treatment simple as that. Why so many people in Asia who grow up in poorest area in the country can get in to the best university because they work hard to get there. You don't throw sap stories to get in to universities like you do in US. For every sap story here, there about 100 more in just China that over come much greater diffculties and still comes out with better grades.

@Takuan_Soho that was more poke at Nid, I do agree some thoughts on equality are stupid like your examples. And as for the resentment yes it won't change over night but it does help . Also you have to remember its high school, for the first years they just got there, for the older students its 1-2 years. It sucks but its not that long of a time, ans as we saw while weed is look down upon, its more of a seperation, the 1st course hang with 1st course and 2nd course hang with 2nd course and unless people are breaking that boundry it snot like all 2nd course are bully constantly that would leave heavy resentment.

May 4, 2014 2:09 PM

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RexZShadow said:

Aisas are pretty merit based when it comes to this shit. If your talented, if your smart you get better treatment simple as that. Why so many people in Asia who grow up in poorest area in the country can get in to the best university because they work hard to get there. You don't throw sap stories to get in to universities like you do in US. For every sap story here, there about 100 more in just China that over come much greater diffculties and still comes out with better grades.

Except that the Weeds in this show are denied any instruction, so they don't have the opportunity to work harder and get ahead. And the problem isn't that the Blooms get better treatment, it's that they treat the Weeds like dogs. They were about to stop someone from walking home with their fucking brother because he was a Weed.

May 4, 2014 2:27 PM

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Popka said:

RexZShadow said:

Aisas are pretty merit based when it comes to this shit. If your talented, if your smart you get better treatment simple as that. Why so many people in Asia who grow up in poorest area in the country can get in to the best university because they work hard to get there. You don't throw sap stories to get in to universities like you do in US. For every sap story here, there about 100 more in just China that over come much greater diffculties and still comes out with better grades.

Except that the Weeds in this show are denied any instruction, so they don't have the opportunity to work harder and get ahead. And the problem isn't that the Blooms get better treatment, it's that they treat the Weeds like dogs. They were about to stop someone from walking home with their fucking brother because he was a Weed.

Well fact remain that they lack staff, its not said in the anime but in LN it say there total of 9 magic high school, only 3/9 takes 200 students all the other takes only 100 students. There is not enough teachers for these schools, and all the 2nd course students enter the school knowing that. Their choice was your only good enough to join 2nd course or don't come. They new it from the start it won't change due to external forces.

AS for the treatment, again same shit happens in normal school with popular and unpopular kids too. Say its the same situation but instead the sister is like really pretty surrounded by popular kids who look down up one her brother coz he ugly or unpoplar or something. Same shit would happen but no one would go make the school do anything about it. The fact is the whole weed/bloom discrimiation is created by the student body, there is nothing the school can do to change people's view.

@Ventris thats coz America has better high lvl education system, why else do you think so many people in Asian country want their kids to go to school in America. And yes the rich and powerful get you in to school but so is america. If your family is super rich and donates your going to get in to the top schools even if your grades aren't great.

May 4, 2014 2:34 PM

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What idiot thought it was a viable solution to lacking staff to completely deny a whole group of students the very reason they came to the school in the first place? And of course it's obvious that bullying happens in real life, except in real life the students aren't divided into groups by the school in which one is designated to receive poor treatment. And I don't see how nothing could be done to change the mistreatment when the president's speech seemed to have a pretty big impact. Not to mention that there's no way to tell if there's nothing the school could do about it since they never bothered to show that even a small attempt was made to enforce the rules against bullying up to that point.

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The lack of staff can't really be fixed there isn't enough teachers to teach that many students. Only other choice is to just cut out all course 2 students period.

As for the discrimiation well when you end up in this stat it will happen sadly but idk what the school can do about it, the students are the only ones who can change it not the school.

May 4, 2014 2:39 PM

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And when the students tried to change it they were all portrayed as idiots who were being manipulated and just whining to the student council to do all the work for them.

May 4, 2014 2:43 PM

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Guess the prestigious magic highschools have such low prestige that nobody wants to work for them then...

Steel Ball Run anime when?

May 4, 2014 2:44 PM

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It seems that finally, next week something interesting will happen. So far, this show has been the most boring piece of shit of the season, but I still hope after what seems an eternal "enrollment arc", the show will get interesting.

May 4, 2014 2:51 PM

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Popka said:
And when the students tried to change it they were all portrayed as idiots who were being manipulated and just whining to the student council to do all the work for them.

no it is not portrayed they are manipulated by someone to do this

May 4, 2014 2:58 PM

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Popka said:
And when the students tried to change it they were all portrayed as idiots who were being manipulated and just whining to the student council to do all the work for them.

no it is not portrayed they are manipulated by someone to do this

This, its basically pointing out the fact that they are being used and it becomes much more clear why they so strongly believe in the cause too. Explained in ep 6.

Nidhoeggr said:
Guess the prestigious magic highschools have such low prestige that nobody wants to work for them then...

Coz the government takes most of the top magician and put them in military leaving small amount to be teachers. And not all magician are equallified to be teachers. There also the magic univeristy too that has higher priority for teachers as well.

May 4, 2014 3:07 PM

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RexZShadow said:
O wow people from different cultural back ground has different opinion on equality, they must be retarded!!!

The whole point of the ep was really to point out the fact that the so call anti discrimisation group are just pawns, they don't know wtf they even doing. This mirrors real life pretty well, you get shit ton of people protesting shit but when you ask them wtf they want or if they have any solution they don't know shit. Coz they being used by other people who just want them to cause trouble.

I think you have a fundamental problem to contend with if this is how you think of the world.

May 4, 2014 3:13 PM

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RexZShadow said:
O wow people from different cultural back ground has different opinion on equality, they must be retarded!!!

The whole point of the ep was really to point out the fact that the so call anti discrimisation group are just pawns, they don't know wtf they even doing. This mirrors real life pretty well, you get shit ton of people protesting shit but when you ask them wtf they want or if they have any solution they don't know shit. Coz they being used by other people who just want them to cause trouble.

I think you have a fundamental problem to contend with if this is how you think of the world.

Implying its not true, just look are how much the US does this shit to other countries. Granted not everyone protest is like it but its not like it doesn't exist.

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I said they were being manipulated. However, I don't call them idiots because they were being manipulated. I call them idiots for coming to a pre-arranged meeting with the Student Council and they still having not come up with any specific demands. Apparently none of them could think of an answer when asked what they wanted.

Of course, this is assuming that the reason they were able to be manipulated was because they felt bitter about being treated horribly for so long. If it's for a different reason like the strong reason you refer to that would be explained in episode 6, then I just don't have enough information to talk about this show and you should forget what I have to say.

May 4, 2014 3:47 PM

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I said they were being manipulated. However, I don't call them idiots because they were being manipulated. I call them idiots for coming to a pre-arranged meeting with the Student Council and they still having not come up with any specific demands. Apparently none of them could think of an answer when asked what they wanted.

Of course, this is assuming that the reason they were able to be manipulated was because they felt bitter about being treated horribly for so long. If it's for a different reason like the strong reason you refer to that would be explained in episode 6, then I just don't have enough information to talk about this show and you should forget what I have to say.

Its explained in EP 6 and makes much more sense.

May 4, 2014 4:00 PM

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To drop, or not to drop.

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LGHyourinmaru said:
To drop, or not to drop.

That is not the question.

May 4, 2014 4:12 PM

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Nidhoeggr said:
Guess the prestigious magic highschools have such low prestige that nobody wants to work for them then...

It has been stated (in the Light Novels at least, I can't recall if it has been mentioned in the anime) that there aren't enough magicians in Japan to be able to provide faculty for all of the students in magic high schools.

May 4, 2014 4:18 PM

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Popka said:
And when the students tried to change it they were all portrayed as idiots who were being manipulated and just whining to the student council to do all the work for them.

Try this for the distinction. Don't know if the writer knows Chesterton, but I have learned never to assume the Japanese haven't heard of any particular thing, even if it is something most Americans don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

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Nidhoeggr said:
Guess the prestigious magic highschools have such low prestige that nobody wants to work for them then...

It has been stated (in the Light Novels at least, I can't recall if it has been mentioned in the anime) that there aren't enough magicians in Japan to be able to provide faculty for all of the students in magic high schools.

One can also assume that most magicians are allocated to national defense and for every magician assigned to teaching that is one less magician that is available for defense. And from what the show suggests, maintaining high defenses isn't a luxury, it is a necessity.

Mod Edit: Double post combined.

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They skip a whole scene with honaka and shizuku ...sigh
The manga adaption was good, so Why is the anime so boring? episode 4 and 5 going down the hill. They make it so bitter; I just hope they improve this shit starting next episode. Even if a few episode sucks as long as they can make overall series good and that what matter most.

May 4, 2014 5:35 PM

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Something happened.
SOMETHING HAPPENED.
ABOUT TIME.
Other than that, however, it was the same shit as usual: boring, boring, BORING dialogue, more of Miyuki's relentless, possessive brocon, etc.
Really hope this picks up.

May 4, 2014 5:41 PM

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They skip a whole scene with honaka and shizuku ...sigh
The manga adaption was good, so Why is the anime so boring? episode 4 and 5 going down the hill. They make it so bitter; I just hope they improve this shit starting next episode. Even if a few episode sucks as long as they can make overall series good and that what matter most.

What scene? they don't do shit till second arc o.o

May 4, 2014 5:54 PM

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the source material has most of this in the first arc so it does get boring because it has alot of talking which is pretty boring and explaining which most or some people dont get what so ever and they cut some scene which is some what important plus how the character is portray in the show which make them look bland properly because of limited time or they just dont give a damn on how well it do here because they are showing it in japan not america or any western country and dont give a damn on how u people think of it here

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guestlol said:
because they are showing it in japan not america or any western country and dont give a damn on how u people think of it here

Mahouka is the most domestic LN/manga/anime ever, yet there are so many fans outside Japan (at least here on MAL).

Anyway, know that your logic applies to fanboys too, not just haters. You're basically saying that MAL and other anime communities should just shut down.

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May 4, 2014 6:27 PM

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guestlol said:
the source material has most of this in the first arc so it does get boring because it has alot of talking which is pretty boring and explaining which most or some people dont get what so ever and they cut some scene which is some what important plus how the character is portray in the show which make them look bland properly because of limited time or they just dont give a damn on how well it do here because they are showing it in japan not america or any western country and dont give a damn on how u people think of it here

Implying that kung fu is more entertaining than talking.

Whether Tatsuya is kicking the shit out of weak enemies or telling his girlfriends how he kicked the shit out of them, it's still boring as fuck.

May 4, 2014 6:49 PM

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RexZShadow said:

arouseddragon said:
They skip a whole scene with honaka and shizuku ...sigh
The manga adaption was good, so Why is the anime so boring? episode 4 and 5 going down the hill. They make it so bitter; I just hope they improve this shit starting next episode. Even if a few episode sucks as long as they can make overall series good and that what matter most.

What scene? they don't do shit till second arc o.o

No they did do some shit this episode that were cut, go back and read that scene. It should it be chapter 8 right after talking with mizuki, Tatsuya help leo and erica with their practice, Miyuki along with honaka and shizuku came in and had a little chat

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DawnJ said:

guestlol said:
because they are showing it in japan not america or any western country and dont give a damn on how u people think of it here

Mahouka is the most domestic LN/manga/anime ever, yet there are so many fans outside Japan (at least here on MAL).

Anyway, know that your logic applies to fanboys too, not just haters. You're basically saying that MAL and other anime communities should just shut down.

no even if i want to u guys u wont also anime communites wont shut downs because of one guy oh if that was the case than this wouldve gone down long time ago and i know there are many people that like it here but how many do u think the most is a only few ten thousands not even compare to its real sizes but u guy will write essays and essays of how much u hate it which i find u guys are pretty delicate in hating this series but u know i kind of like u hater for hating this series because i was worries i wont be able to read the novel because it will get licenses but i just sound really stupid now

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SolviteSekai said:

guestlol said:
the source material has most of this in the first arc so it does get boring because it has alot of talking which is pretty boring and explaining which most or some people dont get what so ever and they cut some scene which is some what important plus how the character is portray in the show which make them look bland properly because of limited time or they just dont give a damn on how well it do here because they are showing it in japan not america or any western country and dont give a damn on how u people think of it here

Implying that kung fu is more entertaining than talking.

Whether Tatsuya is kicking the shit out of weak enemies or telling his girlfriends how he kicked the shit out of them, it's still boring as fuck.

are u saying action is boring and yes i do find talking boring (unlike u guys i dont treat it as anything special even if it is relevant to the story unless it is funny) because u keep complaining it is boring so u must not like quick action or talking because i find fight that drag out for way to long is boring so i like quick end to it and it is better than a guy trying talk the enemies out of what they do which sound pathetic which i dont get like some main character do

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May 4, 2014 8:02 PM

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Finally some action !

Just waiting for that Erika vs Mubi from the OP

May 4, 2014 8:25 PM

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arouseddragon said:

RexZShadow said:

arouseddragon said:
They skip a whole scene with honaka and shizuku ...sigh
The manga adaption was good, so Why is the anime so boring? episode 4 and 5 going down the hill. They make it so bitter; I just hope they improve this shit starting next episode. Even if a few episode sucks as long as they can make overall series good and that what matter most.

What scene? they don't do shit till second arc o.o

No they did do some shit this episode that were cut, go back and read that scene. It should it be chapter 8 right after talking with mizuki, Tatsuya help leo and erica with their practice, Miyuki along with honaka and shizuku came in and had a little chat

O ya they cut that whole scene out, it wasn't even in the same scene that was show at the start of ep 5.

For anyone wondering that scene was Tatsuya, Leo, Erika, Miziuki was in class and Leo and Erika couldn't pass and Tatsuya give them both each some trick to pass than Miyuki, Honaka, and Shizuku bring lunch over and they ask Miyuki if their class is any different, she said they do the same thing and they ask her to do the same excerise and she scores something thats like amazing XD

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arouseddragon said:

RexZShadow said:

arouseddragon said:
They skip a whole scene with honaka and shizuku ...sigh
The manga adaption was good, so Why is the anime so boring? episode 4 and 5 going down the hill. They make it so bitter; I just hope they improve this shit starting next episode. Even if a few episode sucks as long as they can make overall series good and that what matter most.

What scene? they don't do shit till second arc o.o

No they did do some shit this episode that were cut, go back and read that scene. It should it be chapter 8 right after talking with mizuki, Tatsuya help leo and erica with their practice, Miyuki along with honaka and shizuku came in and had a little chat

That's chapter 17 and the last 2 episodes were much better than the first 3, boring as it may seem.

@guestlol: Some people will always complain especially these 2. Don't bother, no matter what you say, they will say the same lines. They have to feel superior than the fans right? Well let them.

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