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Apr 22, 2014 2:59 PM

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Fantastic episode, literally blew my expectations away!

5/5 :)
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:00 PM
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tsudecimo said:
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Even though I bet some people will still complain, not understanding the true meaning behind what happened.

What is the true meaning behind that asspull?

Coming from the guy who has Naruto as his avatar and gave Naruto Shippuden a 10. If this episode was an asspull, I wonder what the hell the Naruto manga is at this moment?

I wouldn't know since I'm not a manga reader, I follow the anime. The bomb was the asspull, not the entire episode.

Is that a nipple..


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@Tsudecimo

Now we have pseudo-psychological in the vocabulary too.... Well, no need to answer.

I don't know what you mean by this but okay. I don't believe I asked for an answer from you.


One man's shite is the other man's fertiliser.

You keep insisting it's an asspull, but that only depends on certain variables. Like: your definition of 'asspull', and your (quite arbitrary) conclusions it fullfills it (or not).

For instance, another definition is this:

"This can be used to describe when, in a TV show or movie, a character comes up with a never-before-seen power just in the nick of time, therefore winning the fight. An ass pull either has a completely unbelievable explanation or the writer conveniently forgets to add one in."

In that case, it's not an asspull at all. It's not a suddenly awakened power of an individual (hint; bleach or naruto), and he doesn't win the fight: he loses. Only, he takes his opponent with him, even when losing. And with technology (that world's equivalent to a nuclear bomb) while the fight itself was about nen. You doubt the originality, but can you name one other shounen that has all those elements? If it followed typical trope - and I'm sure you realize this - netero would have come up with a sudden superpower, winning in the nick of time, and the enemy defeated and he alive.

Instead, they both die, and even when losing, he takes his enemy with him, and he does it by playing dirty, even when it was a classical 'fair fight' duel (another trope). Some seinen series excluded, I think you'll have trouble finding another shounen which does this, and does it so well.

Even if you take your own definition and regard is as the only correct one, discarding all others, it still amounts to a rather subjective interpretation. It would entail it had no foreshadowing whatsoever, and the mangaka just pulled it out of his ass (hence the name) at the last moment, because he didn't know any better. Both perceptions are wrong. As others have explained to you, there were hints given that it would amount to it. Yes, not explicitly in-your-face ones - otherwise the surprise would be gone, obviously - but I found the hints clear enough, even if it's easier to say in hindsight.

1)The wording Knov said, about the royal guards 'will come to late anyhow'. You claim that only meant that they thought Netero would win, but that's a pretty weak argument. they couldn't and wouldn't have known how long the fight would last, even if they thought - against what Netero himself said - that he could win the fight. No seasoned nen-fighters, knowing how nen works and the fact that many variables are present in a fight, would ever be so confident. And lastly, in the manga it's clear in the following chapters they knew of the plan of Netero. All this strongly contradicts the explanition and interpretation you give to it, or it least makes it very unlikely. the fact that you bring up such an unlikely argument, rather shows bias, not objectivity.

2)Netero's claim that he wasn't sure he could even beat Pitou (aka, let alone the king); he recognised right there and then that he probably wouldn't win in a nen fight. He just went in anyway, to once again feel the thrill of fighting an opponent that could beat him. It would have been an asspull if he suddenly DID find a super-nen-power that let him destroy the king, one that is a tenfold stronger than even Pitou, whoich he doubted he could win against. The manga/anime never goes that way, though. Again a sign of being original.

3)The whole idea Togahsi didn't know where he was heading and used the bomb just to be easily rid of a problem, is faulty. First off all, if he really wanted to do an asspull, he could have let it endwith the 'zero attack'; that was an almost classical 'last power' that in any other shounen would be dealing the definite blow. Not so in this anime. He did his ultimate move, was totally wasted, and the king still came out largely unscathed. There were myriads of possibilites for Toagshi to end it, if he didn't know where he was going. However, he did know it. The hints for that are, once again subtle, so you might have missed them again, but imho, tohgashi knew exactly where he was going, inclusive the atomic bomb, from at least the start of the royal guard arc. You DO realise what 'The Republic of East Gorteau' stands for, I hope. I mean, it's r/l equivalent. And the 'Great Leader'? And the fact that not long before Togashi wrote this arc, a certain country boasted nuclear capability? It highly likely that Togashi conceptualised the end of this arc back then and there. His theme about the viciousness of humans, the indiscriminate killing of those that oppose us, and the deadly mixture of technology with malice, was not something he sucked out of his thumb (or pulled out of his ass) as a last ditch attempt of getting out of a self-made corner. Rather, it's more likely than not he had this in mind from the very start.


For all these reasons, I find your conclusion (and consequentially insistence) that it's an asspull unwarranted and invalid. I rather think it boils down to you not liking that end, and that's the source of the bias to deny that it WAS (long-time) foreseen, (subtly) foreshadowed and (un-shounen-trope-like) original. You can disagree on a personal level with this, but I don't think you can deny that this vision is, objectively spoken, as potentially valid as yours. After all, it's not because you didn't see the hints or don't give any weight to them, that others also don't or have to.
 
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soundscape said:
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Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.


So basically your reasoning is "They shouldn't give a fak about 5 million people and Nuke the stupid castle from the beginning"..... Seems legit.... I would like to see that happening in real world too.... Easy as fak!!!!

Well, I lost some brain cells and have to go find them... good luck and best wishes.
It already happens, what do you think a nuke is for? Why would they hesitate to use it against such a threat when they usually do it casually with the stakes nowhere near as high. Also they could've done it before mtfs gathered, all you needed was Knov's ability to teleport the bomb days before. Like it or not but Togashi pulled some fairy tail shit here. I could've skipped everything from the moment the king was born to this episode and it wouldn't make a difference. Have fun finding your brain cells.
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Apr 22, 2014 3:01 PM

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This may have been my most anticipated episode in the series.

And it was goddamn magnificent. Bravo, Madhouse. Nothing but gratitude in my heart that this moment could be animated. It's a dream come true.
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:02 PM

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You are the first person to bring the world illogical or plot hole here, buddy. I don't believe I attacked anyone, it's the other way around. I merely stated that it was an asspull.


And you only reply to attacks or some people slightly agreeing with you with a "yes, I agree, it's an asspull" twisting their whole comment, and ignoring actual points made toward your argument, stubbornly calling it an asspull regardless.

I'm sorry, but I have to call troll on this one.

I will have to not ignore this one.

Umm, what the hell are you talking about. I think there is only one person who said it was an asspull (Gusswayne) and I didn't quote him. Please give examples for you bullshit here. The agreement I reached with some users, were about the fact that it's not necessarily a bad thing, asspull or not.
 
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GuusWayne said:
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GuusWayne said:
Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.


i hope you was there :p
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:05 PM

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Noooooo :( This is the most heartbroken I've been over a character death ever... Why Meruem :(
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:07 PM

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And setsukohahra, and noonealive, yes.. "only Guuswayne", I mean even here you're trying to twist out of this using a lie.

and calling my post bullshit?
You're the type of child who hits a person, then goes to the principal and cries first to put the blame on the other guy. Very immature.

and you're still ignoring all the other actual points, mine and the others'.
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:07 PM
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I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:08 PM

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tsudecimo said:
TonyTonyStark said:
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You are the first person to bring the world illogical or plot hole here, buddy. I don't believe I attacked anyone, it's the other way around. I merely stated that it was an asspull.


And you only reply to attacks or some people slightly agreeing with you with a "yes, I agree, it's an asspull" twisting their whole comment, and ignoring actual points made toward your argument, stubbornly calling it an asspull regardless.

I'm sorry, but I have to call troll on this one.

I will have to not ignore this one.

Umm, what the hell are you talking about. I think there is only one person who said it was an asspull (Gusswayne) and I didn't quote him. Please give examples for you bullshit here. The agreement I reached with some users, were about the fact that it's not necessarily a bad thing, asspull or not.


You are the smartest dumb person that I have ever met on MAL
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:09 PM

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Oh WOW! Apparently, Tsudecimo have his own definition of asspull and plot hole.
Should have expected this much considering how he is perfectly fine with Naruto plot.

Here is Tsudecimo's definition of Asspull:
Plot twist that he don't like because it doesn't end in the same cliche expected shouen style.
 
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GuusWayne said:
Guilek said:
GuusWayne said:
Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.

People use it for different purposes, why would Netero want to kill millions of innocents?
 
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Now it's official, after watching 125 and this,(IMO) HxH 2011 is the best anime ever created, Togashi is a Genius( IMO), so glad i'm alive to watch this divine show.By the way thank you MadHouse, u're fucking awesome!
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We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:12 PM
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Okay guys. Enough with mentioning Naruto. It is seriously annoying and quite frankly disrespectful to Tsudecimo.

Now if he had mentioned Naruto first, this would be a different story....
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:13 PM

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Damn I'm so hyped for this episode... Ihaven't even watched 125 yet, maybe I should skip? Nah joking.

But you guys are hyping the shit out of it for me.
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I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:14 PM

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Okay guys. Enough with mentioning Naruto. It is seriously annoying and quite frankly disrespectful to Tsudecimo.

Now if he had mentioned Naruto first, this would be a different story....


Whatever he posted, I'm sure it sounded hypocritical enough that mentioning Naruto would be inevitable.
If he were not a troll, this would be a different story.
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Z4k said:
JD2411 said:
I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:16 PM

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AnimageNeby said:

You keep insisting it's an asspull, but that only depends on certain variables. Like: your definition of 'asspull', and your (quite arbitrary) conclusions it fullfills it (or not).

That wasn't my definition of an asspull. I copy pasted the definition from TvTropes.

AnimageNeby said:
For instance, another definition is this:

"This can be used to describe when, in a TV show or movie, a character comes up with a never-before-seen power just in the nick of time, therefore winning the fight. An ass pull either has a completely unbelievable explanation or the writer conveniently forgets to add one in."

In that case, it's not an asspull at all. It's not a suddenly awakened power of an individual (hint; bleach or naruto), and he doesn't win the fight: he loses. Only, he takes his opponent with him, even when losing. And with technology (that world's equivalent to a nuclear bomb) while the fight itself was about nen. You doubt the originality, but can you name one other shounen that has all those elements? If it followed typical trope - and I'm sure you realize this - netero would have come up with a sudden superpower, winning in the nick of time, and the enemy defeated and he alive.

That definition is heavily flawed and is more like an example instead of reliable and applicable definition, since apparently if a fiction doesn't have powers or supernatural aspects, it can't have asspulls. The tvtropes definition is better, since it define an asspull correctly.

What is not original, is the bomb sacrifice. Which is something I don't care to argue.

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Even if you take your own definition and regard is as the only correct one, discarding all others, it still amounts to a rather subjective interpretation. It would entail it had no foreshadowing whatsoever, and the mangaka just pulled it out of his ass (hence the name) at the last moment, because he didn't know any better. Both perceptions are wrong. As others have explained to you, there were hints given that it would amount to it. Yes, not explicitly in-your-face ones - otherwise the surprise would be gone, obviously - but I found the hints clear enough, even if it's easier to say in hindsight.

Of course it's subjective, I never claimed my opinions to be facts. I was complaining that the subtle hints were close to the major events, some of them can be easily written off as having a different meaning that is not relevant to the bomb, if the bomb were to not happen.


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3)The whole idea Togahsi didn't know where he was heading and used the bomb just to be easily rid of a problem, is faulty. First off all, if he really wanted to do an asspull, he could have let it endwith the 'zero attack'; that was an almost classical 'last power' that in any other shounen would be dealing the definite blow. Not so in this anime. He did his ultimate move, was totally wasted, and the king still came out largely unscathed. There were myriads of possibilites for Toagshi to end it, if he didn't know where he was going. However, he did know it.

Are you a manga reader? If so don't open the following

The reason the King wasn't finished with the zero attack


This is why I think Togashi, didn't plan it from the beginning. He just used it, to end it, and didn't think of a better way to resolve it.


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For all these reasons, I find your conclusion (and consequentially insistence) that it's an asspull unwarranted and invalid. I rather think it boils down to you not liking that end, and that's the source of the bias to deny that it WAS (long-time) foreseen, (subtly) foreshadowed and (un-shounen-trope-like) original. You can disagree on a personal level with this, but I don't think you can deny that this vision is, objectively spoken, as potentially valid as yours. After all, it's not because you didn't see the hints or don't give any weight to them, that others also don't or have to.

I don't really want to go on an ''objective'' rant. I don't think I'm biased towards it, because it I don't have a problem with it being an asspull, as I've stated in a previous post. Sure, why not. To each his own.
 
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JD2411 said:
Z4k said:
JD2411 said:
I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die

And kill everyone?
 
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THE BOMB IS THE BEST. I prefer this to "i have to save my friends" "the friendship power" " lets go my friends if we fight together we will win" "im stronger because the rikudo appears in my dream, yeahhh",

Or One Piece"gia sekando thanks to my friends", "ive trained and now is sure that im going to win"

NO CLICHE this is why HXH is the best shonen Right now
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Nor is it to cut away your own weakness
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A sword is meant for protecting your soul"
 
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Heck! I've been waiting a whole week for this! FINALLY! ^_^

Both the episode and the checking the MAL forums after.
Feels like appetizer, main course, and popcorn dessert. ^_^


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Apr 22, 2014 3:18 PM

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Z4k said:
JD2411 said:
I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?

Ignorant person: If a story goes into a direction that does not please you. you have the right to call the story shit writing (
 
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JD2411 said:
Z4k said:
JD2411 said:
I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die


They didn't nuke the castle from the beginning because the entire point of this operation is to save as much of the populace of east gorteau as they can while taking out their targets. It's likely if that failed, then the Hunter Association or some sort of international coalition would have glassed Peijing and the palace.

Netero may not have needed to die, but he's probably one of the only individuals that could have isolated the king, and perhaps the only individual to do it willingly. Last episode showed that his greatest desire in life was to give it his all in a battle with the odds against him. He went there fully expecting to die in his battle against the king. And he loved it.
 
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TonyTonyStark said:
GuusWayne said:
Guilek said:
GuusWayne said:
Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.

People use it for different purposes, why would Netero want to kill millions of innocents?


A lot of people already died, and they didn't seem to care that much when they sent only a small unit of hunters to deal with the problem, which is why I think Netero's selfishness plays an even greater role than their envy to save lives.
 
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judals said:
Damn I'm so hyped for this episode... Ihaven't even watched 125 yet, maybe I should skip? Nah joking.

But you guys are hyping the shit out of it for me.
Sir, u won't be disappointed.
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By the way, we are not at the end of this arc yet :p.
 
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GuusWayne said:
soundscape said:
GuusWayne said:
Guilek said:
GuusWayne said:
Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.


So basically your reasoning is "They shouldn't give a fak about 5 million people and Nuke the stupid castle from the beginning"..... Seems legit.... I would like to see that happening in real world too.... Easy as fak!!!!

Well, I lost some brain cells and have to go find them... good luck and best wishes.
It already happens, what do you think a nuke is for? Why would they hesitate to use it against such a threat when they usually do it casually with the stakes nowhere near as high. Also they could've done it before mtfs gathered, all you needed was Knov's ability to teleport the bomb days before. Like it or not but Togashi pulled some fairy tail shit here. I could've skipped everything from the moment the king was born to this episode and it wouldn't make a difference. Have fun finding your brain cells.


The best thing I can say to answer your statement is to keep watching, around episode 131or 132 will give the reason why using the Rose in the palace instead of the testing ground isn't a smart thing to do, that's all I can say without spoiling
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SetsukoHara said:
TonyTonyStark said:
GuusWayne said:
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GuusWayne said:
Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.

People use it for different purposes, why would Netero want to kill millions of innocents?


A lot of people already died, and they didn't seem to care that much when they sent only a small unit of hunters to deal with the problem, which is why I think Netero's selfishness plays an even greater role than their envy to save lives.


Completely different, sacrificing hundreds of thousands to save humanity altogether (greater good) -by leaving them to ie- is not the same as purposefully and unnecessarily killing off 5 million citizens with their own hands, because they can't make a separation plan.

His selfishness is what caused the fight to happen, and to be enjoyed, but it was still, back then, a last resort. He thought that he'd kill him with his Nen, if not, with Zero hand, and if not, The Rose.

His selfishness played a role, but it wasn't the only factor.
 
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Oh WOW! Apparently, Tsudecimo have his own definition of asspull and plot hole.
Should have expected this much considering how he is perfectly fine with Naruto plot.

Here is Tsudecimo's definition of Asspull:
Plot twist that he don't like because it doesn't end in the same cliche expected shouen style.

...

Asspull :

''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing''

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

Plot hole:

''A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

Educate yourself please. I never said those words, I never even wrote the words ''plot twist'' ''illogical'' ''plot hole'' before you posted in this thread.

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And setsukohahra, and noonealive, yes.. "only Guuswayne", I mean even here you're trying to twist out of this using a lie.

and calling my post bullshit?
You're the type of child who hits a person, then goes to the principal and cries first to put the blame on the other guy. Very immature.

and you're still ignoring all the other actual points, mine and the others'.

What are you talking about? where did Setsuko say it's an asspull? I actually asked him before and his thought Killua darts fight was the only asspull in the arc. I agreed with noonealive that too much foreshadowing would have ruined it, I didn't imply that he thought it was an asspull. Improve your reading comprehension please.

Give me examples or stfu with your nonsense.

Wtf..
 
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3)The whole idea Togahsi didn't know where he was heading and used the bomb just to be easily rid of a problem, is faulty. First off all, if he really wanted to do an asspull, he could have let it endwith the 'zero attack'; that was an almost classical 'last power' that in any other shounen would be dealing the definite blow. Not so in this anime. He did his ultimate move, was totally wasted, and the king still came out largely unscathed. There were myriads of possibilites for Toagshi to end it, if he didn't know where he was going. However, he did know it. The hints for that are, once again subtle, so you might have missed them again, but imho, tohgashi knew exactly where he was going, inclusive the atomic bomb, from at least the start of the royal guard arc. You DO realise what 'The Republic of East Gorteau' stands for, I hope. I mean, it's r/l equivalent. And the 'Great Leader'? And the fact that not long before Togashi wrote this arc, a certain country boasted nuclear capability? It highly likely that Togashi conceptualised the end of this arc back then and there. His theme about the viciousness of humans, the indiscriminate killing of those that oppose us, and the deadly mixture of technology with malice, was not something he sucked out of his thumb (or pulled out of his ass) as a last ditch attempt of getting out of a self-made corner. Rather, it's more likely than not he had this in mind from the very start.


Exactly, the whole theme in this arc is about human's malice, compassion and love, the last one also appearing in the ants.
The symbolism for the compassion is quite frequent, not only Neter's power as Kannon which is the compassion but the rose itself is such a symbol since it also represent Maria another figure highly important in this arc ( the cover for the volume 28 is not random at all after all ).

The rose just had to show the peack of the human being's malice and it's not hard to think that an atomic weapon can represent it.
 
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All those parallel discussions in this forum...Hold on,gonna grab some popcorn.
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Oh WOW! Apparently, Tsudecimo have his own definition of asspull and plot hole.
Should have expected this much considering how he is perfectly fine with Naruto plot.

Here is Tsudecimo's definition of Asspull:
Plot twist that he don't like because it doesn't end in the same cliche expected shouen style.

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Asspull :

''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing''

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

Plot hole:

''A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

Educate yourself please. I never said those words, I never even wrote the words ''plot twist'' ''illogical'' ''plot hole'' before you posted in this thread.

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And setsukohahra, and noonealive, yes.. "only Guuswayne", I mean even here you're trying to twist out of this using a lie.

and calling my post bullshit?
You're the type of child who hits a person, then goes to the principal and cries first to put the blame on the other guy. Very immature.

and you're still ignoring all the other actual points, mine and the others'.

What are you talking about? where did Setsuko say it's an asspull? I actually asked him before and his thought Killua darts fight was the only asspull in the arc. I agreed with noonealive that too much foreshadowing would have ruined it, I didn't imply that he thought it was an asspull. Improve your reading comprehension please.

Give me examples or stfu with your nonsense.

Wtf..


Without foreshadowing, yet it was foreshadowed... and you keep insisting that this is what makes your argument stand.

And please stop denying your previous comments, and don't try to remove them. I'm talking about how when he was discussing the element of surprise, and you jumped into a "civil" agreeing mode by twisting his words to shove how you think it's an asspull.
 
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Heck! I've been waiting a whole week for this! FINALLY! ^_^

Both the episode and the checking the MAL forums after.
Feels like appetizer, main course, and popcorn dessert. ^_^


LORD OF VERMILLION!


The thread is turning out just as I expected as well, this may surpass the episode 111 thread in terms of controversy
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tsudecimo said:

Asspull :

''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing''

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

Ironic, considering that the Rose isn't even a listed example under anime and manga.

That said, I really don't view this as an example of being an asspull. Other people have brought up the detail of Knov mentioning the designated location and foreshadowing of sacrifice, but given the meticulous design of this arc's narrative, I fail to see what else Togashi could have possibly had in mind that fit so well thematically. It also had the "wow-factor" that really made it a distinguishing moment.

I've tried to abstain from these pissing contests, but I must ask what you view as the plot holes in this arc. You've probably already listed them, but it'd be a nightmare to go back and read through this mess. I doubt I'll persuade you to my way of thinking, but I'd try to address them, at least. It's been a while since I've had a good HxH discussion.
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I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die


as a writer you are very intelligent.
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Nor is it to cut away your own weakness
A sword isnt meant to protect your body
A sword is meant for protecting your soul"
 
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I'm totally glad humans had to turn to technology to defend against chimeras. I like the idea of humanity showing more than one aspect of power trying to beat them.
 
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That was the best adapted episode as of yet.
Netero going out with bang.
"Even villains have standards"
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Absolutely amazing.
 
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godly episode and mah lord the animation 10000000000000000000000/10
next eps gon finally stands up can't wait to see how pouf reacts
also i heard the manga is coming back soon im going to guess this is hiatus for the anime :(
 
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Amazing episode, didn't expect that to end this way tho.

Idk if the bomb was an asspull or not, however it downplays everything that was done and shown in this arc, since as someone already stated, they could have just nuked the whole damn place without sacrificing any hunters. Seems rather inconsistent to send the best hunters on a suicide mission if they planed to bomb the king from the get go...
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Verry Very Good episode to much epicness
 
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Seriously? And kill millions of people?
 
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Darkbento said:
Amazing episode, didn't expect that to end this way tho.

Idk if the bomb was an asspull or not, however it downplays everything that was done and shown in this arc, since as someone already stated, they could have just nuked the whole damn place without sacrificing any hunters if they planed to bomb the king in the first place...


Oh my god

THERE WERE 5 MILLION PEOPLE JUST OUTSIDE

And about 8 hookers inside.
 
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Dangerr said:
tsudecimo said:

Asspull :

''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing''

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

Ironic, considering that the Rose isn't even a listed example under anime and manga.

That said, I really don't view this as an example of being an asspull. Other people have brought up the detail of Knov mentioning the designated location and foreshadowing of sacrifice, but given the meticulous design of this arc's narrative, I fail to see what else Togashi could have possibly had in mind that fit so well thematically. It also had the "wow-factor" that really made it a distinguishing moment.

I've tried to abstain from these pissing contests, but I must ask what you view as the plot holes in this arc. You've probably already listed them, but it'd be a nightmare to go back and read through this mess. I doubt I'll persuade you to my way of thinking, but I'd try to address them, at least. It's been a while since I've had a good HxH discussion.

They don't cover every asspull in every animanga, they are just examples of popular series. It keeps getting brought up, because people like to use logical fallacies such as ad hominem, since they don't want to deal with my actual argument, it easier to shrug it off as the ''stupid Naruto fan''.

There are no plot holes in this arc. I don't think there is a noticeable plot hole in HxH as a whole (except maybe for what happens in the next arc, but that's debatable) but then again I don't actively search for them, there are none as far as I'm concerned.

There are two asspulls and a DEM in this arc. Netero's bomb and

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Dangerr said:
JD2411 said:
Z4k said:
JD2411 said:
I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

How was this shit writing?
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die


They didn't nuke the castle from the beginning because the entire point of this operation is to save as much of the populace of east gorteau as they can while taking out their targets. It's likely if that failed, then the Hunter Association or some sort of international coalition would have glassed Peijing and the palace.

Netero may not have needed to die, but he's probably one of the only individuals that could have isolated the king, and perhaps the only individual to do it willingly. Last episode showed that his greatest desire in life was to give it his all in a battle with the odds against him. He went there fully expecting to die in his battle against the king. And he loved it.


Good lord I didn't expect something THAT obvious should be written for some people to see..... Oh shit my brain cells...where are you!!!

But please stop that blasphemy you are full of crap...that was just bad writing you know it!!!
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TonyTonyStark said:


Oh my god

THERE WERE 5 MILLION PEOPLE JUST OUTSIDE

And about 8 hookers inside.


You're right, better send Netero to die for dem hookers. I call it worth !
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Gouvernement don't care about him.
 
Apr 22, 2014 3:48 PM

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This episode was even better than the last! Surprise!
Arigatoo gozaimashita!
 
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Darkbento said:
TonyTonyStark said:


Oh my god

THERE WERE 5 MILLION PEOPLE JUST OUTSIDE

And about 8 hookers inside.


You're right, better send Netero to die for dem hookers. I call it worth !
Maybe one of the hookers was supposed to seduce the King, and maybe infect him with AIDS, that should have been plan A
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We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us
 
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