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Apr 22, 2014 2:15 PM

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TonyTonyStark said:


How is it an asspull when it is shown as the opposite of an asspull?

Was it out of nowhere? Foreshadowed multiple times
Explanation, simple enough and doesn't need much
What did it demonstrate? The inability of Netero to kill Meruem. An asspull would be, for example, Naruto using Kyuubi to demonstrate his rage and will and love for friends.


I don't like Naruto, but the Kyubi has more foreshadowing than this Bomb.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:16 PM

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Togashi didn't want to ruin a moment by foreshadowing something that would ruin the whole potential of the fight. I don't know how foreshadowing the nuke would benefit the story what so ever.

The whole checkmate situation would be less significant and less impactful. I'm sure Togashi thought it through because he took year long hiatus's between certain parts of the arc.
 
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Orsonius said:

And @ naruto guy, it's kinda funny to talk about asspulls in HxH coming from someone who likes Naruto Shippuded, master of all asspulls.
Not that it would make any argument you have less true, but it just seems ironic, because apparently asspulls shouldn't bother you.

Well you can list them in my profile if you want. I'm glad that you are not using a logic fallacy at least.

The fact that it's an asspull doesn't bother me as much what transpired due to it. If you didn't read the manga don't open the spoilers here
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:18 PM
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Magnificent episode. Glorious...simply fucking glorious. Never have I seen such a magnificent episode in an anime before. *clapping*
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:21 PM

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noonealive said:
Togashi didn't want to ruin a moment by foreshadowing something that would ruin the whole potential of the fight. I don't know how foreshadowing the nuke would benefit the story what so ever.

The whole checkmate situation would be less significant and less impactful. I'm sure Togashi thought it through because he took year long hiatus's between certain parts of the arc.

Well yes I actually agree with you. It didn't amaze me or make me surprised, despite being unpredictable. I'm merely calling it an asspull, whether it's good or bad is up to people's opinion. This reminds of a lesser extent to the mega asspull in Attack on titan about Eren. Which was a good asspull imo, since it benefited greatly from the lack of foreshadowing.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:21 PM

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It isn't an asspull.
It was foreshadowed:
When the fight begin. Netero said :" This is a testing ground for military heavy weaponry"

When creepy Knov come back. Knov said: "I have received word from a messenger of the president. He has taken the king to appoint location"
"It doesn't matter what the guards do now .. They will be too late"
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:22 PM

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jajajaja we know that Naruto is a masterpiece without any mistake or deux ex machina because is 100% logical.
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Apr 22, 2014 2:22 PM

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MADHOUSE delivered.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:23 PM
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This episodes cannot be explained with words, just how epic it was. Thank you for the amazing quality Madhouse and Yoshihiro Togashi for writing such an amazing manga!
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:23 PM

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tsudecimo said:
Orsonius said:

And @ naruto guy, it's kinda funny to talk about asspulls in HxH coming from someone who likes Naruto Shippuded, master of all asspulls.
Not that it would make any argument you have less true, but it just seems ironic, because apparently asspulls shouldn't bother you.

Well you can list them in my profile if you want. I'm glad that you are not using a logic fallacy at least.

The fact that it's an asspull doesn't bother me as much what transpired due to it. If you didn't read the manga don't open the spoilers here


Don't worry I am not going down the fallacy route I am not stupid, but I couldn't help myself but comment on the fact you like shippuden so much, even though I find it one of the worst written shounen of all time (not that I know all shounen of all time but man wtf is going on in that manga right now holy moly)
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Apr 22, 2014 2:24 PM

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Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.
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Apr 22, 2014 2:25 PM

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SetsukoHara said:
TonyTonyStark said:


How is it an asspull when it is shown as the opposite of an asspull?

Was it out of nowhere? Foreshadowed multiple times
Explanation, simple enough and doesn't need much
What did it demonstrate? The inability of Netero to kill Meruem. An asspull would be, for example, Naruto using Kyuubi to demonstrate his rage and will and love for friends.


I don't like Naruto, but the Kyubi has more foreshadowing than this Bomb.


More or better?

Anyway, when did they foreshadowing? Arguing that Kyubi always existed is the same as bombs always existing, but what about next forms? And their convenient timing in a predicament?
Netero used it because he could, as a last resort, it wasn't something he conjured up at the end because he needed to.

As for foreshadowing, there's no "more" in it, or at least it doesn't affect it MUCH. it's either foreshadowed or not, and the more instances, means the more proof there is.

But I would like to hear how they foreshadowed Naruto using 4, 6,8 tails, or Kyuubi being a Nakama, or pretty much 90% of Naruto's forms.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:29 PM

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Considering how fucked up, in a moral sense, the HxH world is. I think they didn't use the bomb more because of Netero's selfishness than because they wanted to save millions of life.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:29 PM
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The show gave many hints that a nuclear bomb was in the plans. First Knov said the mission was complete since the King is in "the place". Second, Netero said to the King that that's a place for nuclear tests.

But I was expecting a missile attack, not that the bomb was inside Netero. Awesome episode, and the most epic battle I saw in a anime.
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Apr 22, 2014 2:29 PM

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noonealive said:
Togashi didn't want to ruin a moment by foreshadowing something that would ruin the whole potential of the fight. I don't know how foreshadowing the nuke would benefit the story what so ever.

The whole checkmate situation would be less significant and less impactful. I'm sure Togashi thought it through because he took year long hiatus's between certain parts of the arc.


He did foreshadow it, I reckon on 5-7 occasions, but very subtly so that it would come as a surprise. Any one of these foreshadowings might do in showcasing it.
 
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Guys, please don't turn this into another HxH vs. Naruto thread. Can't we just talk about how awesome this episode was?
 
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GuusWayne said:
Guilek said:
GuusWayne said:
Np the bomb thing I can sorta understand but it wasn't a creative way to end the king at all. They could've just done that from the begining, it downplays the whole arc, fuck the dragon dive, drop a nuke and exterminate them fucking ants. No need for all the shit that's happened so far.



Thanks for killing everyone in the castle with your plan.
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.


So basically your reasoning is "They shouldn't give a fak about 5 million people and Nuke the stupid castle from the beginning"..... Seems legit.... I would like to see that happening in real world too.... Easy as fak!!!!

Well, I lost some brain cells and have to go find them... good luck and best wishes.
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Apr 22, 2014 2:31 PM

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tsudecimo said:
Well yes I actually agree with you. It didn't amaze me or make me surprised, despite being unpredictable. I'm merely calling it an asspull, whether it's good or bad is up to people's opinion. This reminds of a lesser extent to the mega asspull in Attack on titan about Eren. Which was a good asspull imo, since it benefited greatly from the lack of foreshadowing.


Well, it's hard to convince someone if it's an asspull or not if they didn't like the majority of the arc. I'm glad Togashi didn't foreshadow such a thing because implying anything in the slightest that Netero might have had a bomb in him would ruin it.
It's not like he didn't hint at such things either. You're confusing "asspull" from good storytelling IMO.

I don't see how Eren's situation differs from the lack of foreshadow.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:33 PM

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TonyTonyStark said:
He did foreshadow it, I reckon on 5-7 occasions, but very subtly so that it would come as a surprise. Any one of these foreshadowings might do in showcasing it.


Oh yeah of course, i knew there was subtle hints. I was pointing out that knowing a bomb might have been an answer for Mereum would totally ruin the moment.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:35 PM

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SetsukoHara said:
Considering how fucked up, in a moral sense, the HxH world is. I think they didn't use the bomb more because of Netero's selfishness than because they wanted to save millions of life.

Actually yes, that was my interpretation too. Netero simply wanted to enjoy his last fight and see if he can win.
 
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This might be relevant to this thread:
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Man the amount of love Netero showed for the king, but still the king refused Netero's feelings. Well at least he got the King's admiration before activating the bomb, and now they'll both meet in hell where they're both equals. It's gonna be hot in there.
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Apr 22, 2014 2:36 PM

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I don't agree with Tsudecimo, but saying that Naruto is shit won't solve anything, so please stop saying "You like Naruto, so your opinion is shit"
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:37 PM
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TonyTonyStark said:
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Even though I bet some people will still complain, not understanding the true meaning behind what happened.

What is the true meaning behind that asspull?


It shows that the show is realistic enough to acknowledge the inferiority of a certain side, that they don't use asspulls like power surges or sayian modes to wriggle out of it, but by using things alternative to Nen, which already exist in the world.

But still, the bomb had the condition that it would activate after Netero's heart stopped beating. So why didn't they send just some random guy or criminal, and let him die so that the bomb could explode? That way, Meruem would have been nuked AND Netero wouldn't have had to sacrifice himself.
I still loved the episode, but you have to admit that if they had that super-bomb, they wouldn't have had the need for all that preceded its explosion.
 
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Oh they animated the finger. LOL. Awesome.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:38 PM

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ValeBreck said:
I don't agree with Tsudecimo, but saying that Naruto is shit won't solve anything, so please stop saying "You like Naruto, so your opinion is shit"


XD is because for him naruto is perfect jajajaja
come on thats really funny
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Apr 22, 2014 2:38 PM

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Apr 22, 2014 2:38 PM

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Very well done, to quote Meruem: "Bravo", I was sort of expecting a big explosion but not as was presented in this episode, it leave me in awe.
I didn't expected the fight to end in this episode, and apparently the King is really dead as seen on the preview.
Also this is a great week for Hunter x Hunter fans: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1155593
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domme008 said:
TonyTonyStark said:
tsudecimo said:
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Even though I bet some people will still complain, not understanding the true meaning behind what happened.

What is the true meaning behind that asspull?


It shows that the show is realistic enough to acknowledge the inferiority of a certain side, that they don't use asspulls like power surges or sayian modes to wriggle out of it, but by using things alternative to Nen, which already exist in the world.

But still, the bomb had the condition that it would activate after Netero's heart stopped beating. So why didn't they send just some random guy or criminal, and let him die so that the bomb could explode? That way, Meruem would have been nuked AND Netero wouldn't have had to sacrifice himself.
I still loved the episode, but you have to admit that if they had that super-bomb, they wouldn't have had the need for all that preceded its explosion.

What if Pito kill him when in go in her EN and die with him? What if the ramdom guy fail ? What if the ramdom guy attack when the King isn't in the palace? The ants will know the last resort of the humanity and evolve.
 
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Apr 22, 2014 2:42 PM
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Absolutely astounding.... Magnificent... The animation was so fluent and the emphasis was put on exactly the right parts. Most probably my favourite episode of any anime I've seen so far. "Meruem, you understand nothing of humanity's infinite potential for evolution." That line gave me goosebumps...
 
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Two times has this franchise made me come today
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:42 PM

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That was the best episode of anime I have seen all year long.
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tsudecimo said:
What is the true meaning behind that asspull?

It was meant to rustle your jimmies specifically.

By the way, I also want to ask you something. Did you just learn the word 'asspull'? You seem to throw it around a lot like a horny twelve-year-old who just learned the word 'vagina'. Did your shounen-watching cherry finally pop during this latest episode of Hunter x Hunter, despite watching all of that Naruto?
 
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MAL will always find a way T_T
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:46 PM

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Im speechless..
 
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this is a real shonen.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:47 PM

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SetsukoHara said:
Considering how fucked up, in a moral sense, the HxH world is. I think they didn't use the bomb more because of Netero's selfishness than because they wanted to save millions of life.


Not using it in the palace = Save lives
Not using it right away in that desolate area = selfishness

domme008 said:
TonyTonyStark said:
tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:

Even though I bet some people will still complain, not understanding the true meaning behind what happened.

What is the true meaning behind that asspull?


It shows that the show is realistic enough to acknowledge the inferiority of a certain side, that they don't use asspulls like power surges or sayian modes to wriggle out of it, but by using things alternative to Nen, which already exist in the world.

But still, the bomb had the condition that it would activate after Netero's heart stopped beating. So why didn't they send just some random guy or criminal, and let him die so that the bomb could explode? That way, Meruem would have been nuked AND Netero wouldn't have had to sacrifice himself.
I still loved the episode, but you have to admit that if they had that super-bomb, they wouldn't have had the need for all that preceded its explosion.


Who would be strong enoug and fast enough to do all that? To impress Meruem enough not to get his head beheaded (remember how easily Meruem walked past them in episode 112?), let alone go all the way with them to the Nuke testing site?
 
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It seems some people don't understand the concept of asspull.

Anyway, awesome work by madhouse. AWESOME.
 
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Satire said:
tsudecimo said:
What is the true meaning behind that asspull?

It was meant to rustle your jimmies specifically.

By the way, I also want to ask you something. Did you just learn the word 'asspull'? You seem to throw it around a lot like a horny twelve-year-old who just learned the word 'vagina'. Did your shounen-watching cherry finally pop during this latest episode of Hunter x Hunter, despite watching all of that Naruto?

It failed then. But what happens next succeed.

I think not. I learnt the meaning of it before I started watching the (2011) version. Well, I watched HxH, DB/Z, Dai, and some other ''cartoons'' that turned out to be shounen anime, Bleach and FMA:B before Naruto, so my cheery popped very early on. Why are you interested though?
 
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What an attention whore! Attacking the entire HxH fanbase on one of the best HxH is history.

Is the bomb a asspull, plothole, deus ex, and illogical?
NO!
Unexpected, yes, but not illogical. For it to be illogical, this have to contradict some a rule or fact in the HxH universe.
Had it ever been stated what level of technology they have? no, we don't know their level of technology. We never see the ability of their military. It is perfectly possible for them to have mini nuke.

Just because HxH been focus on ability and Nen, we can't assume that technology is insignificant. While it is unconventional to bring in technology into a ability user battle manga, there are nothing illogical about it.
 
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You are the first person to bring the world illogical or plot hole here, buddy. I don't believe I attacked anyone, it's the other way around. I merely stated that it was an asspull.
 
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tsudecimo said:

It failed then. But what happens next succeed.

I think not. I learnt the meaning of it before I started watching the (2011) version. Well, I watched HxH, DB/Z, Dai, and some other ''cartoons'' that turned out to be shounen anime, Bleach and FMA:B before Naruto, so my cheery popped very early on. Why are you interested though?

I like cherry pie.
 
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It seems that the excessive amount of fillers in a certain shonen is leaving his fans crazy.
 
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Satire said:
tsudecimo said:

It failed then. But what happens next succeed.

I think not. I learnt the meaning of it before I started watching the (2011) version. Well, I watched HxH, DB/Z, Dai, and some other ''cartoons'' that turned out to be shounen anime, Bleach and FMA:B before Naruto, so my cheery popped very early on. Why are you interested though?

I like cherry pie.

I see, makes sense.

ChrnoTodd said:
It seems that the excessive amount of fillers in a certain shonen is leaving his fans crazy.

Oh, don't worry, I skip fillers and don't mind them. So rest assured they didn't affect mentally.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:55 PM

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tsudecimo said:
You are the first person to bring the world illogical or plot hole here, buddy. I don't believe I attacked anyone, it's the other way around. I merely stated that it was an asspull.


Urban Dictionary:
This can also be used to describe when, in a TV show or movie, a character comes up with a never-before-seen power just in the nick of time, therefore winning the fight. An ass pull either has a completely unbelievable explanation or the writer conveniently forgets to add one in.

This is most commonly seen in anime (esp. bleach and sailor moon) where the characters are all about to die, but then one of them (in those two, it's almost always Ichigo or Usagi) goes 'oh wait, I forgot about my superawesomeultramove that can kill all the bad guys'.

Typically this phrase is used when someone invents data or facts to support their argument. Said another way, to "pull something out of your ass".

That is similar meaning as plot hole and illogical plot twist.
 
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tsudecimo said:
You are the first person to bring the world illogical or plot hole here, buddy. I don't believe I attacked anyone, it's the other way around. I merely stated that it was an asspull.


And you only reply to attacks or some people slightly agreeing with you with a "yes, I agree, it's an asspull" twisting their whole comment, and ignoring actual points made toward your argument, stubbornly calling it an asspull regardless.

I'm sorry, but I have to call troll on this one.
 
Apr 22, 2014 2:57 PM

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TonyTonyStark said:
I'm sorry, but I have to call troll on this one.

Damn son, you're late as fuck.
 
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leeo268 said:
tsudecimo said:
You are the first person to bring the world illogical or plot hole here, buddy. I don't believe I attacked anyone, it's the other way around. I merely stated that it was an asspull.


Urban Dictionary:
This can also be used to describe when, in a TV show or movie, a character comes up with a never-before-seen power just in the nick of time, therefore winning the fight. An ass pull either has a completely unbelievable explanation or the writer conveniently forgets to add one in.

This is most commonly seen in anime (esp. bleach and sailor moon) where the characters are all about to die, but then one of them (in those two, it's almost always Ichigo or Usagi) goes 'oh wait, I forgot about my superawesomeultramove that can kill all the bad guys'.


That is similar meaning as plot hole and illogical plot twist.

I don't know why you are using Urban dictionary for something like this. Anyway, plot hole means that something contradict, something that was already established in the series, bomb didn't create that, so it's not a plot hole. Plot hole is not a synonyms for asspull. Illogical plot twist? hmm, I don't know, I don't think it was illogical, and I don't think I implied that.

I think it's an asspull, as I stated here.
 
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it was hard if u guys just ignore him

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