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| The meanest thing Kyousuke's ever told Saya is "This is a tough world for you.If you want to leave just pull that trigger to your head." but for some reason,alot of people translated this into "Saya,you sucks,go kill yourself" and blamed her death on him. But then some Kyousuke's fans also hate Saya for some pretty lame reasons so I guess that's even. |
| ^ Yeah that's a shame, the most frequent comments I've seen are: Saya fans (especially fanboys): "Kyousuke you fagget, how you dare to do that to my waifu!!!! because of your fault my cute Saya dies in the real world and you don't help her at all, you could used your powers and save her but you didn't, fuck you!!"... seriously, what the hell is that? He has nothing to do with her death in the real world, if they want to blame someone for Saya's death then better blame the mother nature. I wonder if those people even read her route or just some shitty spoiler... And then Kyousuke fans (especially fangirls): "Saya you bitch, how you dare to do what your did to Kyousuke in the alternative joke ending of your route and I hate you more because a lot of your fans always spread their shit toward my husbando and your route is a blatant way to hate him, fuck you"... again, what the hell is that? XD I know a lot of people can't stand the joke ending of Saya's route when she replaced Kyousuke's existence with her existence in everybody mind, but it's just that, a joke lol, they don't need to take it so seriously. Instead to try to find someone to blame, they better need to try to understand their situations, because both situations sucks. Moving on, I wonder how they'll cram Sasami's route in only two episodes, that kinda sucks. I hope she can receive enough love because she's a pretty lovely character. |
kohalicApr 29, 2014 6:30 PM
kohalic said: Moving on, I wonder how they'll cram Sasami's route in only two episodes, that's kinda sucks. I hope she can receive enough love because she's a pretty lovely character. I'm worried about Sasami's arc too, not just because the rush but watching the preview for her OVA, seems like the animation come back to S1 quality, I just hope they don't butcher her arc since is one of my favs. At least I think it still will be good in the comedic apartment because Sasami is so damn hilarious. <3 Btw, here is trap Riki for everyone: Trap Riki She/he has an amazing best girl potential LOL |
BunnerzApr 29, 2014 11:43 AM
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F3l1x10 said: So Saya will never appear in the anime again? Most probably not. Except if J.C decides prepare something for us and they somehow make Saya come to life and make her appear with the others LB, but it would be more like J.C staff magic rather than Key magic. |
kohalicApr 29, 2014 7:19 PM
| Dem feels. I remember this part when I played the VN. Saya definitely has the best route of them all. As for the ending, my understanding was either it was all a dream, or that Aya wakes up to reality and really does meet Riki and the rest of the LB (only this time, it's in real life, and not in Kyouske's imaginary world) |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
kohalic said: Moving on, I wonder how they'll cram Sasami's route in only two episodes, that kinda sucks. I hope she can receive enough love because she's a pretty lovely character. +9000. |
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| Well,Sasami and Kanata only have themself to blame for not being popular enough.IF Sasami was as popular as Saya,they would give her a 4 episode-arc and make Kanata non-existence. LOL And EX heroines also has that "extra side story that doesn't has anything to do with the main storyline so it doesn't matter if you care and watch it or not,we just made it to make a little more money anyway." tag attached to it so they can never give them much even if they're more popular than the original heroines or how better their stories are. |
| Saya's past was really sad as a war child The meeting at the park with Riki was probably one of the best drawn scenes so far Another highlight was Saya's song by Lia After a trainwreck and a buswreck, young Saya got hit by a landslidewreck Although it ended good again with a miracle dream coming out of "Inception" The last level of the dungeon hunt left a bad taste yet again Letting Rikki going through all that crap 1000s of times with a biochemical and gun suicide as a finale was just ridiculous in contrast to the happy end |
| Saya struggle really so hard and brutal, she choose Replay, Fall in Love, and Die again countless time. :'( He leave way the dream world is rather cruel, just shoot himself in the head? just like suicide T^T but at least it was in accordance with his desire to return to the past, awakened from a dream, he is safe and sound and reunited with small Riki and return to play along with him. congrats Saya you beat the game! :') Happy Ending for you |
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| Very good arc. Saya and Riki have the best love story in Little Busters, I wish Saya was in the main Little Busters series. This episode was good first half was better than second half since it was less rushed. When Saya shot herself I was like "Sayaaaaa Nooooooooo!!!!!!" then Kyousuke made a world where Aya didn't die that's what I got. Of course Riki believed what Kyousuke had to say as always. I was surprised they used the scene from the first opening when Saya was talking to Kyousuke where all the Little Busters are running. |
LightBladeNova said: It makes me sad to know that still hardly anyone knows what a visual novel is, even in the anime community. |
| never got to play EX so i loved this arc came so close to tearing up would of liked it even more if we had just 1 more episode |
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| After the kiss with Saya in episode three I am a stronger shipper with Riki x Saya Plus they met eachother way before little busters... Sad this is just sad......but the Saya song is awesome I cried .... She is so adorable I love the fact that Riki and Saya met over an over again,they loved each other no matter how many times she died Sad to see her shoot herself in front of Riki ,when Riki awoke I wanted to hug him... My poor Riki. But then in the end they showed Saya at the end and Riki ( hopefully) walking towards her and walked back somewhere together. I love the ending |
RosyXkidMay 10, 2014 8:23 AM
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| I'm not familiar with EX(cause it's still untranslated) so I didn't get the ending: was the past changed or (S)Aya just got an eternal dream for herself? |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: I'm not familiar with EX(cause it's still untranslated) so I didn't get the ending: was the past changed or (S)Aya just got an eternal dream for herself? Basically... And J.C staff's only explanation about the ending in the booklet : 答えがなく、視聴者の想像に委ねられる Translation: "There is no answer, I will be left to the imagination of the viewer." So you can interpret it how you want. If you want to believe that the last scene was just a final dream of Aya before she could 'rest in peace' then that is. If you want to believe that she somehow came back in time and the accident didn't happen so she create her own alternative future with Riki then that is, etc, etc. In the VN the ending is interpretative as well. |
BunnerzMay 18, 2014 1:07 AM
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| Loli Saya was adorable. The episode was kinda sad but not really. Didn't really get the ending/manga thing. |
VanishingKira said: Loli Saya was adorable. The episode was kinda sad but not really. Didn't really get the ending/manga thing. Saya is dead (not confirmed on the VN, but probaly yes) and the final scenes was something happy that she want it to happen, like a dream inside another dream. The manga thing is that Aya likes the same Manga that Kyousuke, so before she dies in the accident, she enters in the artificial world as Saya, the female protagonist of the manga. |
| Saya kinda confirmed her death in the VN. Just as in the anime, in the VN she stated: "I died... without knowing anything about it" referring to her first love during this scene, so Aya was already dead when she was inside the dream world and in the VN her accident didn't happen when she was 4 years old like in the anime, I don't remember her exact age but she was older and it was some years before the bus accident happen. That final scene is more likely a final dream before she could rest in peace after fulfilled all her wishes. But there's a lot of theories about it, the most common ones are: - The final scene was a final dream of Aya before rest in peace. - The final scene was Aya in her own dream world. - The final scene was a dream that Kyousuke showed to Aya before she leave the dream world in order to make Aya feel like her time travel wish was fulfilled and so Aya finally can rest in peace, since Aya's main wish always was get a time machine to come back to the past and fix it and maybe if her time machine wish is never fulfilled her soul might wander forever and that's sad. -Aya really used a time machine and came back to past, but it is kinda nonsensical because why Kyousuke didn't used it himself to avoid the bus accident? LOL -Aya came back to past thanks to key-magic, but that is too convenient and Aya coming back to the past and meeting with Riki again can maybe altering the future where Riki meets with the LB and that can mess up the storyline. At least for me, I like the first three. There's more crazy ones that I've read like Aya conscience traveled to another parallel world where the accident didn't happend and she got her own alternative future with Riki LOL And about the manga thing, Aya's favorite manga character is Saya Tokido. That's because she materialized as her inside the dream world. |
kohalicMay 19, 2014 6:38 PM
| did everybody die in the bus accident in refrain? i thought they were brought back through key magic. i forgot what happened. thanks for vn readers chiming in. says is such a great char. i thought the arc was pretty meh. 7/10 material. then i read how saya caused riki to ignore lb, i really, really wish they wouldve shown that. it wouldve given saya a more villainous character which would be 10/10 material. overall, 8/10 for a solid arc and letting me know this gem of a character. |
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| fucking key... turning my bad end into some miraculously good end again |
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| finally,sasami, something about after bus incident. I want to see very badly what happened in "REAL WORLD" but only 4 episodes :( |
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| Saya looked so cute as a child! I wanted to hug her! I needed to turn off my brain for this episode, but I had to turn it back on after it. Now how did Saya go use the time machine... or was the time machine time itself, allowing her to recover on the bed...? But again, we never saw Sata hit the ground, but the gun did go off. I'm ready for theories. Time to play the VN. Oh, after reading some of the other posts, it made me thinking. What happened to Saya in the real world? They showed the two at the end of the episode. But now it raises another question: Is this before or after refain (that scene where the two met)? I know it says before, but that scene... Why didn't Kyouske include her in the fake world to begin with? Maybe because she wasn't in the accident? Seems about right. Time to play the VN. |
UsaraDarkMay 27, 2014 10:35 PM
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| @UsaraDark Aya died in the real world way before the bus accident. In the VN, the final scene of Saya's route is she woke up being a child again with her dad and the background is completely white, but for most of Japanese fans that is just a final dream of her before rest in peace like I explain in one of my above posts. The final scene in the anime when Riki and Saya are together is there probably to make the viewers speculate about if she came back in time or not. And there's not time machine. And the thing about Kyousuke, how he's suppose to know that a soul of a girl was wandered around there? xD that's another thing the anime failed to explain. Aya enter to the dream world by lucky and in the beginning Kyousuke has no idea that Saya is a outsider. In fact, in the beginning Kyousuke believed that Saya was a unconscious creation of him due to his desire to see his favorite manga character come to life and he created all the stuff about the darkness executives in order to amuse her and himself. But when he realized that she's not really Saya Tokido the manga character but a outsider, she and Riki already were too close to each other at the point that Riki start to stray away from the LB because of his love for her. And yes! Better play the VN! |
kohalicMay 27, 2014 11:39 PM
| Which make you wonder why Kyousuke couldn't just dropped the act and talk to her about the problem like any normal people would once he found out about her real identity instead of...you know,KILLING THE ALREADY DEAD GIRL REPEATEDLY. |
| That's a very interesting topic, I've thought about that too and you can also wonder why Saya just didn't stop to get involved with Riki during the replay part when she always can just not drop the notebook, knowing the thing about the secret of the world and knowing that Riki, the person who she loves, would be the most affected by the eventual truth about her (and the others LB would be affected in the way). She priorized her love I guess which is a natural choose if you ask me. And she always can speak by herself, she's not mute or anything, even before the replay part she could've talked with Kyousuke about her situtation and ask for help or something. You can really think about a proper solution to her problem after knowing she's in love with Riki so much? I think if Kyousuke and Saya talk about her situation in the end he will feel sorry for her and it would be more difficult to him asking Saya to leave from the world. Don't get me wrong, I think the replay game was ridiculous idea of him, even he says that he screwed up things and he's very well known for being a kind guy with silly ideas and harsh methods if the situation warrants, but I guess they already went that far with that crappy role-playing game that suddenly stop it would be just weird and I don't think talk about her situation really could solve anything honestly, he need to make her to leave so he need to act the meanest as he can in front of her. And you can't really say he's in a normal situation where any normal person would help her without a doubt since he's the one who has to deal with all those weird situations and do all the 'dirty work'. Tbh I think a normal person in the same position of him would not have as much patience as he had with Saya. I always shall think that the best solution for him is just make her dissapear without tell a thing but that could be even more cuestinable if you ask me, but well, the situation about the manga characters and all of that is already pretty ridiculous and over the top to begin with. And to be completely fair in the VN it was never explained why Kyousuke comes to that genius idea about the replay game and other stuff that revolves round him neither which sucks a little. tl;dr if they talk to each other BEFORE Saya meet with Riki and got involved with him, then they can probably find a solution. Too bad it isn't happen. And I guess the route wouldn't be as dramatic as it is without the replay part lol the other solution I can think is, dunno, Kyousuke make a deal with Saya and so she can be with Riki during a couple of weeks where they can do whatever they want and after those weeks Saya has to leave or something like that? thats sound pretty emotionally hard and cruel for Saya, actually I think after falling in love with Riki, Saya's end always will be sad :( |
kohalicJul 12, 2014 5:14 PM
| What you said is mostly irrelevant to my post,what I meant is Kyousuke could easily talk to her about it like he did before the last loop as soon as he realized who she is instead of spending time making himself look more evil by inventing more trap and making them more lethal. I don't get why he would dragged on as long as 99 loops for a single simple talk that could be summed up like this : Kyousuke: You're a dead girl that wander in here,you need to leave. Saya: Yeah,I know.I will leave the next time you see me. Kyousuke: Oh okay so what do you want for a parting gift,a time machine wrapped in magic box ? And whenever I see this http://i.imgur.com/IhqePn4.jpg the only thing come to my mind is "retard",was he high on drug or something when he came up with that? |
| Waaah they were such cute kids. Now I really, really love Saya. I hope Sasami's route goes well in just two episodes o_o' Tasuku- said: Btw, here is trap Riki for everyone: Trap Riki She/he has an amazing best girl potential LOL Hah! Thanks for trap Riki <3 I was hoping to see that again XD Riki is too cute. |
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zakkun89 said: What you said is mostly irrelevant to my post,what I meant is Kyousuke could easily talk to her about it like he did before the last loop as soon as he realized who she is instead of spending time making himself look more evil by inventing more trap and making them more lethal. I don't get why he would dragged on as long as 99 loops for a single simple talk that could be summed up like this : Kyousuke: You're a dead girl that wander in here,you need to leave. Saya: Yeah,I know.I will leave the next time you see me. Kyousuke: Oh okay so what do you want for a parting gift,a time machine wrapped in magic box ? And whenever I see this http://i.imgur.com/IhqePn4.jpg the only thing come to my mind is "retard",was he high on drug or something when he came up with that? Hmm seriously, if the solution for all Saya's problems is that simple and quickly then everything would be nothing but a big joke (in the case Saya really accept to leave that easily) and you can start to wonder why Maeda didn't do that instead of needlessly prolong things writing about a endless replay game and make Kyousuke looks like a big sadist who apparently enjoys kill a girl endlessly without any real reason behind of it more than for the sake of have a villain around there? And Maeda is well known for give reasons behind of to almost everything he write. Oh there's a drug called Ecstasy, maybe Kyousuke is addicted to it and that's because the game is named like that. I see, now everything makes sense. |
kohalicMay 29, 2014 10:54 AM
| because sadly the arc wouldn't be as dramatic if kyousuke wasn't there acting like the bad guy,that's why |
SinnonJul 9, 2014 4:25 PM
kohalic said: Hmm seriously, if the solution for all Saya's problems is that simple and quickly then everything would be nothing but a big joke (in the case Saya really accept to leave that easily) and you can start to wonder why Maeda didn't do that instead of needlessly prolong things writing about a endless replay game and make Kyousuke looks like a big sadist who apparently enjoys kill a girl endlessly without any real reason behind of it more than for the sake of have a villain around there? And Maeda is well known for give reasons behind of to almost everything he write. Well from the look of it,they just complicated thing more than it should have to make it more dramatic(the same goes with Saya shooting herself in the head,is there any other reason for that beside making her departing look more dramatic?).I didn't mean they should take out the Replay part and jump immediately to talking though but you gotta admit Kyousuke is always doing terribly in these kind of situations,he always choose the roundabout way to do thing. But well,every important characters in Saya's route kind of acted weird and silly from the very start already so I guess that's that... kohalic said: Oh there's a drug called Ecstasy, maybe Kyousuke is addicted to it and that's because the game is named like that. I see, now everything makes sense. And Saya got some of that drugs in her joke route and become oh so powerful out of nowhere.Yes,that's make a a lot of sense now. |
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| JC Staff... how DARE you hit me in the feels again! It was all light, and funny, and ... and .... DAMN IT! *goes and plays Saya's song as he manlynously sniffles himself to a very manly sleep* |
| Awww...that was Sad. The FEELS.... Since it's okay to interpret it as they say, and Key loves their magic, I'll just conclude that Saya's fate change and survive the accident then came back to play with her beloved Riki. The END! Now moving to some sasasasasasami route! Did I stutter? |
| well damn, that was pretty good. i never got a chance to read the EX routes so this was new to me. even without knowing the source though, i feel like this is the best overall heroine route. i really liked the ending in particular, it was creative and just bittersweet enough to not leave a bad taste |
| I've never read the EX of the VN. But even from just watching this adaptation. I loved watching Saya's route. Her past and seeing all of her deaths were so sad to watch. At least there was a sweet ending of sorts. She lives instead of dies when she was a kid. Though several things I don't understand: I'm still confused, did Kyousuke make/reset the world to where Riki remembers Saya? How does this fit into the original story anyway (if at all) or is it just a side thing? Bah, somehow, Key manages to confuse every part of my brain while still making this story really touching. |
| Damn you, J.C.Staff, you managed to do well. Dem tears... |
| although saya just felt like a completely random character who really doesnt play any real part in the overall plot of little busters i have to say this was still a sad route. character deaths in anything made from key always make me sad as always amazing job making grown men cry |
Rexx10 said: Isn't it at the end Kyosuke a.k.a "Executive of Darkness" uses his powers to send Saya back in time to her past when she was a kid (before the landslide) where chances are, she survives/avoids what should've been her death and now lives in a future where she and Riki are together? I thought the ending basically meant that even though Rin and Saya aren't together, somewhere, somehow probably in a parallel dimension, they are together? Nope. If Kyousuke could send people to the past, then he would have used his powers to send the LB to the past to avoid the bus accident instead. You can interpret the ending as you want. Maybe was key magic or maybe it was just a dream though |
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| -so... saya really did die as a kid, her soul wandered into kyousuke's created world, kyousuke lets saya have her fun with riki until she realizes she is in the way of things, & she kills herself at the end of the game to escape the created world. -in my interpretation of things... i think when she left the created world, she entered a parallel world where her other self exists. 8/10 |
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| just finished watching Saya's arc... and really, the ending full with "WTF" element, i'm completely confused about what to believe i mean, i really want Saya to live again (by using time machine lolol) but that's clearly out from the field of common sense but since they said that Saya's arc ending is 'interpretive', i will just say fuck to common sense cause i really want Saya to live :D |
| Saya/Riki... Kyousuke... that mercy.. and that lie.. That ending is in a "faraway place" where our Riki can't reach. I don't care for any explanations other than my own interpretation, which is complex and I feel that's exactly what Maeda Jun wanted us to feel. Little Busters, you got me again. |
Kayaba-Oct 29, 2014 7:45 AM
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| More emotional than what i expected , in fact it is the most emotional arc in the entirety of Little Busters! series. |
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