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Sep 13, 2009 11:46 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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There was no need to decapitate a small girl, that was totally unnecessary. Seriously. >_<
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Aug 20, 2011 9:24 PM
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That scene was actually done very well. It was filmed just in the right angles that you didn't realise it was coming
 
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May 10, 2012 8:12 AM
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Great ending to the Ideon series. Big ideas and huge influence on a lot of latter manga and anime.
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Oct 6, 2012 8:47 AM

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A grand ending indeed. Lots of ugly deaths, though. Well, they're all happy space ghosts now.
 
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Feb 12, 2013 5:08 PM

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Beatnik said:
There was no need to decapitate a small girl, that was totally unnecessary. Seriously. >_<


Tomino "Kill 'em All" at his best.
 
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Aug 19, 2013 9:44 AM

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2 words, Cantata Orbis
 
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Sep 11, 2013 3:10 PM

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Well that was an extremely awesome movie. The deaths were certainly hitting me, but the decapitation certainly took the cake. I couldn't believe they took a little girl's head off.
 
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Nov 27, 2014 1:53 PM

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Beatnik said:
There was no need to decapitate a small girl, that was totally unnecessary. Seriously. >_<
Best scene. ^_^
 
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May 5, 2015 5:57 AM

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This was really good. Tomino has a knack for making good endings. But really Messiah? They couldve picked a better name.
 
 
May 23, 2015 1:05 PM

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Well this reminded me very much of Evangelion. Maybe NGE was influenced from this?

anyway, the TV anime series' pace was so slow and draggy, but the last couple episodes (no 39) and this movie made up for it. This movie HAD CRAZY DEATHS. I mean, why did they have to decapitate Ashura, lol plain cruel. Will the cursing chain of Ide continue in the future? Ide indirectly made itself one of greatest villains lol
 
May 25, 2015 7:15 AM

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Klad said:
Well this reminded me very much of Evangelion. Maybe NGE was influenced from this?

Yes Anno took some/a lot of inspiration for NGE from Ideon.

Ah this was a good conclusion,the infamous cruelty huh?
I didn't like it all that much though as I couldn't really care for the characters but it had some really nice themes and treated them rather well.
I think for the time it was made in,not that I know anything about things like this,it was really good and I respect it for what it is.
 
Jun 21, 2015 4:41 PM

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Dang, man. That was a great ending. It even had the live action segments like EoE.
Was that planet Earth or a new planet? It's unclear what happens next. Will everyone be reborn or something? What will happen to messiah? Who knows.
 
 
Jan 17, 2016 3:11 PM

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This was one of the best anime conclusions I ever saw. I was... beautiful. It's not as sad as people say, since things ended up ok.

The deaths were well done and for me they didn't seem forced.

The movie managed to show that both sides had their reasons to fight and weren't bad. I think Tomino had a lot of freedom to make this movie.

A truly masterpiece.
 
Nov 7, 2016 11:18 AM

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Beautiful end. With the series It seemed to be missing something, but in this film, i can enjoy with a autentic final, bloody, violent and plenty of caos and deaths, a final perfect for this series, because this series is Ideon, a series cruel drama where the characters are pieces of a big board and not Sailor Moon.

9/10.


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Nov 21, 2016 4:44 AM
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For the fodder Buff Clan are in the series, the focus on the Ajiba family in Be Invoked really elevated them into characters I cared about as much as the Solo Ship. Especially Harulu unfolded more tragic than she seemed in the series, I can recognize a father disappointed in who her daughter is sleeping with (lol), and Doba got a notable scene of spelling out the deal with Ide as well. It somewhat feels like treading the theme for the hundredth time right after the series, but it's a minor gripe. To me many characters got their highlights in this movie, from Doba to Kasha, even extras like the Buff soldiers that just wanted to live and got their revenge for a few seconds before getting sucked into space were memorable.
The animation was so crisp! Kogawa animation gives time to marvel at the key frames.
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Feb 5, 2017 6:10 PM

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I don't know how they did it. I didn't care much for any of the characters and yet I got emotional at that ending. No but, to be fair I started to care a bit about the characters as the series went on... and by that I mean the very last like seven episodes?
Every time I saw the kids I'd get annoyed, but I liked Fard-- like probably my fave character out of everyone and it's like yo, there wasn't even much to like about Fard so I find that to be no good.
Anyway, made it through Seizure the Anime.
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Thoughts during the film:



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So, my experience prior to watching Space Runaway Ideon were:
1. It was directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino.
2. It had an extremely high body count.
3. Neon Genesis Evangelion had roots in this series.

I heard something about children getting killed off, but I hadn't seen any screenshots or clips of it, so I had no idea what to expect in that regard. As a result, this mostly blind viewing was quite...raw. I will give the show credit though, rather than showing death as honorable or glamorous, Ideon shows death as ugly, quick, and gives very little time to prepare. The deaths happened so fast that it was hard to react. I could only look on in horror as everyone were brutally killed. This wasn't fun, flashy or exciting, but had the show taken that direction, it would have been a disservice to the characters. Still, it seems so weird to seeing all these soldiers trying to hard to kill a bunch of kids. Realism in war and all that, I kind of get, but it really came down to a single ship full of civilians against all of humanity. It certainly makes the Ideon crew's desperation that much more tragic, but I just don't know.

The art and animation are superb, the music was downright orchestraic, everybody's character arcs were finished, and the show's conclusion ensures that it was the absolute final entry in the series. There are no more stories to tell from here. Space Runaway Ideon is a completed title. Any criticisms I have of the series really comes down to the character motivations and decisions, and any of those can be met with "well, what would you expect a real person to do?" With that, I'd be criticizing the characters as people, not puppets in a narrative. That's pretty damn cool. Truthfully, I didn't like the series due to how heavy it was, but I'd be damned if I didn't at least recognize how great this series works as a tragedy and a drama.
 
May 18, 2019 3:08 PM

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Wow, wow, wow... I'm glad I gave this series a chance, especially to see such a great movie. Tomino at his best for me, without hesitation.
 
Jan 10, 12:21 PM

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I was really reluctant to watch this, especially because i had to suffer through the series first.
And well, the movie took almost everything that happened in the series, threw it in the trash, then killed every character. At least it didn't end up being another layzner with it's time skips.

If any future reader decides to give this a try, avoid the TV series completely. Just watch the other movie, then this one.
 
Mar 16, 8:53 PM
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what an ending lol, i'm definitely invoked right now. this is gonna be one of the most memorable endings i have seen. all the carnage and death and everybody flying off with messiah, what a beautiful sight.

this makes slogging through the show worth it. happy fucking birthday everybody.
 
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Definitely an influential series. But I'm not a big fan of it overall. I liked the story quite alot but the execution wasn't really that great imo.

Also yet another series where Tomino kills everyone, a trope he is most known for but one that makes all his shows really quite predictable and frustrating. I'm quite tired of it already and I've only seen 4 of his shows, of which 3 have this same trope.

Agree that the decapitation scene was abit much and notice how outside of all the soldier fodder that the Women and Children were all the first characters to die in this film. Pretty fucked up.

This film really doesn't add much at all, it just prolongs the original destination of the series, kills way more characters and then adds a tiny bit to the very end. The sea stuff at the end was a strange inclusion and certainly doesn't age well.

Overall Space Runaway Ideon is a very ambitious and influential series but it honestly isn't that great. A good template to work from and be inspired by but so far from how good it could of been. At the time of it's release it was totally revolutionary but it's been far surpassed in the many years since. And in my own worthless opinion hasn't aged that well.

I've gave the series a 6/10 and I think despite some impressive set piece in this film I will give it the same score as ultimately I didn't enjoy it much more.