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JTurner said: This is one of the first really bad episodes in Nadia... Episode 17 was pretty awful. I don't really mind the episode being silly; this has never been a totally serious show and I think it can carry silliness fine as long as it's not also doing harsher stuff at the same time. This episode is kind of slow and a bit of a bore, though, and the wimpy off-screen kiss is very flippantly done. That dream sequence was really strange. It seemed like nothing but unpleasant memories, but afterwards she says her dream taught her that she can't live alone. How so? The ringmaster seemed kinder at the end of the dream, but this is the same man who sold Nadia to Grandis in episode 1, so how can anything regarding him be pleasant? Even putting that aside, Nadia's change of heart is really clunky. |
| what the fuck h a t t h e f u c k |
| Oh goodness gracious. Eggs not born yet are not considered alive, thus it's okay to eat? Also wait, she was okay eating canned spinach, which are dead plants? Manufactuered by human hands - by Gargoyle at that? Then she snaps at Jean for suggesting it, then blames Gargoyle for leading her into a trap by getting her to eat the rotten spinach? What did she even eat back in the Nautilus? I get she feels victimized by the world at large, and through her past traumas, she's creating enemies out of everything she can in order to protect her own sanctity of mind, but...dang. No, even before that, the direction this show is starting to take is pretty rough. Jean is a doormat, Nadia is unreasonable, and somehow, Marie is the anchor that manages to keep everything grounded. This flip flops with Jean showing that even he has limits, Nadia being aware of her own inabilities, and Marie actually acting like a kid, which makes the show seem like it's trying to have the best of both worlds as opposed to portraying any particular growths in character nor inherent complexities in their personalities. If anything, that's solidified by the episode's ending, which seemed almost unwarranted given the swiftness of which that came about. I'm not aware of the finer details of the show's creative situation, but I wonder what parts of it affected the show's current direction. Wowzers. |
ShockedOct 16, 2016 2:32 PM
JTurner said: Shocked said: Oh goodness gracious. Eggs not born yet are not considered alive, thus it's okay to eat? Also wait, she was okay eating canned spinach, which are dead plants? Manufactuered by human hands - by Gargoyle at that? Then she snaps at Jean for suggesting it, then blames Gargoyle for leading her into a trap by getting her to eat the rotten spinach? What did she even eat back in the Nautilus? I get she feels victimized by the world at large, and through her past traumas, she's creating enemies out of everything she can in order to protect her own sanctity of mind, but...dang. No, even before that, the direction this show is starting to take is pretty rough. I'm not aware of the finer details of the show's creative situation, but I wonder what parts of it affected the show's current direction. The best answer I can say is that these episodes were just hurried created just to meet the deadlines of the expansion. Neither Anno nor Gainax wanted the island arc to exist; they had intended for the show to be just 27-30 episodes, that's it. Just those episodes. The problem? The show was more successful than thought, and by this point, Hideaki Anno was working on episodes 35-39, which is where the show's return to greatness comes, while Shinji Higuchi was in the director's chair from episodes 23-34. Apparently he didn't follow the guidelines that Anno had laid out in the previous 22 episodes, which is why these episodes feel so glaringly out of context with what we've seen from episodes 1-22. Beforehand, the show was a wealth of great ideas, combining the original novel with modern day-ish concerns over the the presence of technology in the evolution of human society. It also brings up points regarding the return to nature, portraying both the positive and negative aspects of that argument. If this was an attempt to extend the show to be longer than it needed to be, then I can see why character traits that should have been resolved in past episodes are being brought back in the form of near-character regression. Hmm...I can definitely see what you mean. |
| I know those episodes are bad, terrible, whatever and everything. But the things I retained from this one are: - the very blurry and shaky shots of the hole entry taken from the inside: how do you get that level of bad picture quality? - the dream about the how so terrible life of Nadia at the circus who owned her. I'm sure it was a rough life, but I doubt it was such a nightmare. The ring leader was shown having remorses when he gave her up to Glandis (like he had been beaten/threaten into it). - the kiss. THE KISS. THE KIIIISSS !!! An extraterrestrial scene. 1/5 The further we go, the worst the characters look in close-up (close-up drawings were actually fine earlier). |
Rei_IIISep 2, 2017 11:32 AM
| Well, this was almost as bad as episode 17. At least this episode knows how dumb it is. |
| "I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this. "Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal "No way Spirited Away is better than Akira. NO WAY." - Kanye West |
| You always wonder what kind of drugs the Gainax team took to create their anime, and well they sometimes give subtle hints but this sure was a big one! Okay episode, nothing too special and I actually expected to see a real kiss between those two, not an implied one :/ shame as that could've made the episode a bit better! |
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| The drawn out arguments about trying to get her to eat meat are the worst. I know the show was made in 1989, but those scenes have all the excitement of a Facebook argument. I watch anime to get away from that kind of stupid. 😒 |
| Damn, this episode is not just bad, it's abysmal. I'm too lazy to mention what was bad about it, because almost everything was. Nemo's funeral was kinda nice though and at least provided a more deep dive into the plans of Neo-Atlantis. Despite all that, I don't *hate* the island arc so far. Idk, but I just can't feel these kinds of emotions towards anime, however bad it might be. I'm just smiling and facepalming because of how bad it is. |
| Now I actually thought this episode was slightly slightly better then the previous two but to be fair when your lowest possible point is the center of the Earth the bar has not been set very high to say the least XD I mean Nadia and Jean arguing about eating meat feels a bit more true to form (now I know these episodes are awful if I want them to go back to that XD) but like with many of the problems with these episodes the conversation goes on WAY too long, it gets the characters all wrong I agree Jean would not put meat in something purposely and Nadia's arguments are even worse here LOL and they were not originally great in the first place! Although Jean is not wrong about meat containing vital nutrients that help strengthen your body the same way all foods play a part in a healthy diet and fueling the body. We briefly see the Grandis gang again but it is kinda cringe did not like those arm waving and slapping movements Grandis did the shooting sharks was at least a bit of something I guess . . . The funeral Gargoyle held for Nemo was a bit better then things we have seen before but the artwork looked awful there but at least they did not try to insert some of the "hilarious comedy" they are known for in that scene. And I mean seeing flashbacks from Nadia's harsh past was something I think many wanted to see but the way it is framed it is like this bizarre combination between serious and cartoony (I know it is a nightmare from a kid but still there could have been a better way to convey all this) and it just made me feel uncomfortable and not in the way they intended. The mushroom scene was also pretty cringe although while this might be obscure I wonder if when Jean was eating the mushrooms saying they are delicious and telling Marie to come here quickly I wonder if that was a reference to the Japanese horror movie Matango from 1963 where shipwrecked survivors consume mushrooms and slowly lose their minds transforming into mushroom abominations hence Jean losing his mind and his changing skin. A bit of a tangent yes but more interesting then this episode at least ^-^ We end up closing the episode with an off screen kiss again I believe many were waiting for a moment like that between Jean and Nadia but in an episode like this it means nothing and I think many would want that moment to actually be shown then again since this episode is pretty bad perhaps it is better it was not shown XD whelp back to the grind with the next episode :D |
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| So they were fungi not in the book yet he thought it'd be a good idea to eat them? And he gets high. Jean has some Dunning-Kruger going on here. Marie is very sensible here. I think Grandis's gang might find the island. |
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| This is the first episode I almost turned off. The beginning is so bad, all because of Nadia. How can anyone be that stupid? I don't know what is going on with King, they have literally turned him into a Looney Tunes character. I'm starting to think this whole series should have been about the Grandis crew, it certainly would have been better without Nadia and her despicable behavior. Are there really 10 more episodes of this awful arc, I'm not sure if I can get through it if the rest are this bad. |
| When this aired on local TV yesterday (like, the 1st time in probably several years!) the scenes with Jean & Marie in the cave suddenly partially shifted back and forth between 'normal' (doesn't seem to mean much during this arc) and looking like washed-out, Multiple-Generation VHS copies, different ratios (?) and even the Audio/Voicework became parts-out-of-synch. Is it only me or has anybody else experienced the same problem? |
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| Nadia definitely lost her mind ever since she entered the island. Hard to believe a fucking four year old is the only kid thinking rationally now |
| Not as bad as the previous one, Jean was a bit too pushy with her eating meat and what he did at the start was dick move for him but it makes sense considering the situation they're in, its eating meat or starving to death. Also, Nadia is vegetarian, not full-on vegan, I think both of their arguments regarding eggs are valid. There's some progress with Gargoyle and we get to learn a bit about Nadia. Second half is a bit dumb but they finally kissed!.. even if they won't show it for reasons. |
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