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Jan 17, 2008 5:04 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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It's best to view this episode as the second part of the aforementioned arc, because it begins just after the previous one. This is also one of the few times where we see Jean trying to reason with the irrational Nadia about killing and eating meat--this aspect of their relationship is grostesquely distorted and overexaggerated on later episodes, but at least here it's done with credibility. The real highpoints are the tightly-edited, fast-paced cart chase sequence with Marie and Sanson, as well as the powerful moment at the end where Nemo faces off with a Neo-Atlantean to save Nadia, much to the latter's fury.
 
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Nov 22, 2009 3:31 PM

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I don't know about you, but I seriously wanted to slap Nadia in this episode. The guy just saved your life and you repay him by calling him a murderer. Nice.

 
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Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM
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I don't know about you, but I seriously wanted to slap Nadia in this episode. The guy just saved your life and you repay him by calling him a murderer. Nice.


Yes, I found that scene very objectionable as well; it defintiely shows that Nadia is both very stubborn and clearly refuses to see any "middle ground" in her viewpoints, notably when it comes to killing. Earlier in this episode, too, she verbally attacks Jean and Marie for eating meat, never mind that they were hungry. (She does apologize to both of them, though, in her own way: asking him to help her find Marie and King.)

I will say this in favor of her character, though. Unlike the absolutely HIDEOUS island/Africa episodes (you'll know when you get there), at least this episode, as well as the other earlier 21 episodes, portray Nadia not as a hateful "cartoon" caricature, but as a realistic person with some serious issues yet still has a sense of sanity to recognize that Jean is a very trustworthy person and finds some way to make up for irrationally (and unfairly) taking her temper out on him (as shown for when she begs for forgiveness in episode 10, or even cooks some seaweed in episode 17). She's definitely more of a believeable and likeable heroine than in those "fillers".
 
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I like and understand Nadia... to some extend, however in this episode she overreacted.

Apart from that, I really liked this episode, that crab mecha chase with Sanson and Marie was amazing! I'm really starting to like Sanson, he's the coolest character on this show xD
 
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I like and understand Nadia... to some extend, however in this episode she overreacted.

Apart from that, I really liked this episode, that crab mecha chase with Sanson and Marie was amazing! I'm really starting to like Sanson, he's the coolest character on this show xD


Exactly what I'm saying. In these episodes, Nadia is portrayed as a person who is very troubled but has a LOT of serious growing up to do, particularly in her black-and-white views about killing and trusting grown-ups, not to mention growing out of her impulse to berate others for eating meat. This episode only shows that she has some major problems. (If you start to find her completely annoying in the island/Africa arc, though, I won't blame you; you can blame that on NHK trying to squeeze more money out of the show.)

Yeah, the crab chase is absolutely the highlight of the episode. Sanson is really hilarious, but it's also very interesting and touching to see him grow to care for Marie; it allows his "soft" side to take shape. He's definitely a very interesting "comic" character. And his voice actor, Martin Blacker, obviously has a lot of fun with him.
 
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Really enjoyed that short montage of Marie and King exploring the island, backed by the opening theme. A nice little breather from the storyline that still showcases what the animators can do and just how good the song is.
 
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Feb 20, 2011 10:52 AM
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This time the characterization of Nadia went overboard. Most of the time, when Nadia starts whining about everything (after the hunt and the dead deer) it's at least partially comprehensible, but in this episode the way she acted was just absurd. I mean, come on, nobody can be THAT narrow-minded. The Neo-Atlantian shot at her and missed her just by a few centimeters and she is STILL bitching that Cpt. Nemo killed the soldier? That's just ridiculous. Somebody should slap her, so she starts using her brains before she talks.

A taste of things to come in NGE with Shinji, I guess.
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This time the characterization of Nadia went overboard. Most of the time, when Nadia starts whining about everything (after the hunt and the dead deer) it's at least partially comprehensible, but in this episode the way she acted was just absurd. I mean, come on, nobody can be THAT narrow-minded. The Neo-Atlantian shot at her and missed her just by a few centimeters and she is STILL bitching that Cpt. Nemo killed the soldier? That's just ridiculous. Somebody should slap her, so she starts using her brains before she talks.

A taste of things to come in NGE with Shinji, I guess.


I too was quite shocked at the way Nadia responded when Nemo shot the Neo-Atlantean, but needless to say, she is the sort of character who has a LOT of trouble telling the difference between killing "out of cold blood" or "for food" and "out of defense".

Still, at least her personality in these episodes are more sane compared to the cartoonish ridiculousness the island/Africa ones turned her into. (She DOES get slapped -- two times -- during the Nautilus arc: one time by Grandis in ep 15, who also tells her to "keep your mouth shut until you understand how much the captain is suffering"; the second time by Nemo in ep 20 -- my least fav ep of that arc, incidentally, because I don't like how she nearly ruins her relationship with Jean out of jealousy for his friendship with Electra -- when she declares that she hates him and his crew. His response to that, aside from backhanding her, literally, is a solemn "you have made me very sad" in the dub OR "don't say sad things like that" if you're watching the sub.)

Fear not, though, Nadia DOES change her ways and becomes nicer -- there are episodes which I think you'll love involving her and Jean, eps 16 and 17 especially -- it's just that she's had such an unfortunate childhood (abused by her ringmaster) that it's hard for her to tell the difference.
 
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I thought her reaction was perfectly natural actually. I mean, come on people she's a what? 14 year old kid who just saw someone get killed in cold blood and is against killing and violence in every way. Frankly, it would have been strange if she hadn't reacted in the way she did.

Perfect episode.
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I thought her reaction was perfectly natural actually. I mean, come on people she's a what? 14 year old kid who just saw someone get killed in cold blood and is against killing and violence in every way.

Also he was hurt. She likely thinks creatures that are hurt shouldn't be killed.
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Apr 26, 2015 9:44 AM

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I'm pretty sure even a 14 year old would still realize that the people who kidnapped her and threatened to kill all of her friends are hostile, and would have enough sense to know that Nemo did the right thing by shooting him before things escalated. Especially considering he literally shot right at her. To put it into perspective, 14 is high school age. 14 year olds are definitely developed enough to have common sense on such a basic level as this. Maybe if she was 5 or something you could play the age card, but it's not really a valid excuse for her actions here.

And if you want a realistic reaction, she should have been so traumatized from being shot at and coming within inches of death that she didn't have time to think about her skewed morals.

But besides that stuff, I want a spinoff of just Marie and King going on adventures. That was awesome.
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This is an interesting episode as it looks like it's going to be a light hearted filler before getting more & more serious.

It seems Nadia had a very sheltered unbringing in the circus, not being treated much better than the animals, so has that as a half decent excuse to consider all life secred, along with a lack do social maturity.
 
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Awesome episode. Pretty much did everything right. Marie being precious, Sanson being adorably protective of her, lots of clever humor laced throughout, and a phenomenal chase sequence at the end that would make Spielberg proud. Loved it.

I'm far easier on Nadia that many seem to be. It's not unrealistic for people to be totally irrational and I think some of her black-and-white moral stances could make for some interesting drama down the road.
 
Aug 19, 2016 8:30 PM

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Marie and Sanson are adorable and hilarious together, I want some more adventures with the two of them. As for Nadia she overreacted so hard and I'm disliking her more and more as the episodes go on.
 
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Marie and Sanson are adorable and hilarious together, I want some more adventures with the two of them. As for Nadia she overreacted so hard and I'm disliking her more and more as the episodes go on.


You'll like Nadia even less at the filler arc (23-34). Skip those episodes if you REALLY don't wanna hate her guts.

Don't worry, she DOES have her likable bits in episodes 16-19.
 
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Three things I got out of this episode.

First, wow that was a heavy conversation at the beginning, once again about whether killing animals was justified if it's for food. There was also that talk between Jean and Sanson about Nadia and Grandis, specifically their relationships to other characters and their general behavior. I couldn't stop thinking Hedgehog's Dilemma throughout all that.

Second, wow that was one hell of a ride. For some reason, Marie's little adventure had a lot of interesting cuts and scene transitions, and Sanson and Marie running away from the crab mecha was pretty damn wild. The animation seemed to have been really bumped up this episode for whatever the reason. It was also interesting to see the Neo Atlantis soldier saving Marie from falling into the sea. I almost assumed she would have caught the cliff before falling down, only for the soldier to try and shoot her or something. Was this to invoke sympathy for the soldier that climbed out of the crab mecha, seeing as now we know that the Neo Atlantis soldiers aren't all puppy kicking, evil mustache twirling monsters?

Third, ohhhhhhhh. Nadia didn't have a problem with killing animals specifically. She just didn't like killing at all. It didn't have to be animals, but the arguments she used against Jean seemed like she just loved animals and held their lives over humans. From this episode, I assume she values all lives, and given how wickedly cold Captain Nemo looked when he shot that soldier without hesitation, this'll bring about some new drama aboard the Nautilus.
 
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The inserted opening song totally freaked me out, I had never seen the show in japanese (nor the fr.restaured version).
This episode wins on several points:
- Best animated toothbrushing session I ever saw,
- one of the best chases scenes (I wonder if the people behind it had fun making it),
- very good final scene, bringing another hit in the potential father/daughter relationship.

4/5 Yeah, Sanson is under the charm of Marie.


Arf, those Nadia rejection reactions... Children were far less difficult with her when I was younger.
 
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Great episode all round. Nadia looking at death in the face for the first time, and as expected, overreacting.
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There was some absolutely superb animation in this episode. The chase was absolutely magnificent to watch. Great stuff.
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I would have expected an episode with darker tones, given the unpleasant feeling that Nadia had felt and her black mood towards the crew of the Nautilus, including Jean, instead it proved very amusing in the narration. The combination formed by Marie and Sanson it rocks. The episode in the end, however, makes us better understand one side of the character of Nadia. Drawings and animations, really valuable.
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Yet another Nadia's butthurt... I wish that soldier shooted her ass.
Even Marie is more adult than our shitty MC.
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May 21, 2018 4:41 PM

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Maria and King were damn lucky I must say! Really interesting ending though... must me something in her inner core that makes her behave like that...

But well at least we know what the warning was in the last episode.
 
Nov 8, 2018 1:20 AM

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That chase scene in the minecart was really cool. I really liked the animation during that part. Lots of great sakuga.
I also thought it was funny, with all of the "lucky" over and over. xD

As for the ending, Nadia definitely still has some growing up to do.
::End of Transmission::


 
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Also in this episode, the hand is placed on Nadia's character and on her different concept of human life, and not only
this aspect; perhaps it proves a little too idealistic on certain points, oh well! Quite funny story, thanks to Marie and Sanson, the part where the two are chased by Gargoyle's henchmen is very amusing. Excellent drawings and animations.
 
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