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Mar 27, 2014 4:23 PM

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The_Bif said:
I'm not sure why so many people are saying the show was terrible, or that it won't sell or get another season.


Predictions on how it's going to sell are pretty bad, so yeah. If it's not that profitable I really doubt that they will make another season.
 
Mar 27, 2014 4:35 PM

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Okay?! What was that exactly?!
 
Mar 27, 2014 4:41 PM

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I feel like I just got trolled for some reason, what's up with this anime it didn't explain anything it just gave me another headache.
 
Mar 27, 2014 4:47 PM

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...So why are we letting japanese scenerize. Seriously.
And what's with the blondie. It was such a cliche.
At least we got a few battle scenes. That was okay.
And gosh Mui is so interesting. WHERE WAS SHE ? Oh right.
With the Childhood in love Friend.
Gross.
 
Mar 27, 2014 4:48 PM
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what the poop did i just watch. What is with the ending? Are we sure this is the last episode for season 1? They should have made a better ending like if there was gonna be a season 2 at the end put to be continued...
 
Mar 27, 2014 4:55 PM

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Gekkou, piss off already.
Rushed, and fell flat real quick.
No S2 for this.
4/10.
 
Mar 27, 2014 4:56 PM

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This has to be the best anime I've... Hahahahahaha, I can't.

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With an ending like that, I expect a second season where Kurumi transforms into Hulk Hogan and beats the ever-loving crap out of Gekkou and the people who directed the first season.

I laughed at this way more than I should have. Just the thought of her no-selling everything.
 
Mar 27, 2014 5:05 PM
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The_Bif said:
I'm not sure why so many people are saying the show was terrible, or that it won't sell or get another season. But, I'm not saying this was a great show either. It wasn't, it really, really wasn't.

The plot was, indeed, full of cliche and overused formulas. That is a given, and cannot be helped really. It was rushed in a lot of places with the whole narration thing, making the entire series feel more like a prologue to something bigger. But, it was not terrible, nor was it deserving of all the hate it's getting. It's only natural that not everyone will enjoy this series, especially those who've read the manga or suffer from the delusions that every new series that is put out HAS to be completely original with a story written as well as the best novels/screenplays in the history of the world. And, most of the people reading this comment will probably not even know what I just said, and instead will try to take it at face value and miss out on the actual truth of my statement. Moving on.

Takeshi really is the biggest idiot of all time. I've seen some idiot characters over the years, but how stupid can one kid be? But, it's part of what made his character. He's naive, immature, innocent, and a victim of some of the absolute worst parenting in the history of bad parenting.

Gekkou. Where to begin with this piece of trash? He's probably the most self-centered and ego-maniacal character I've seen in recent years, tho I could be wrong and just not thinking clearly because of how much he annoyed the hell out of me. Does anything else really need to be said here?

The rest of the characters didn't get development at all, really. Mui was adorable, and provided great fanservice, and could have been a great female lead if this show wasn't obsessed with the most useless female character of all time(Kurumi). Mui's brother, he was pretty much only around when they needed an enemy or someone to save them. Ida had potential to be a great character, but was sadly left in the background until they needed his magic for some petty thing that was obviously there just to give him a reason to show up on screen.

Back to the story. We were given, in the beginning, the groundwork for a good story(no matter how many times it's been told before). But, it never went anywhere. It escalated, but never went anywhere. It twisted and turned, but never went anywhere. Which is why I said up top that this seemed more like a prologue. However, despite it not going anywhere and being rushed in some places, it was still interesting and entertaining to watch. You just have to shut your brain off and stop trying to convince yourself you have no expectations when you really have unreasonable expectations.

The Ending. Oh, that McBullshit. Once again, I say, this seemed more like a prologue. That ending was not a cliffhanger, it was a kick in the balls. Obviously a cheap ploy to build interest for another season, or at least an OVA. If they wanted to do a proper cliffhanger, however, they could have ended it without showing what happened to Takeshi. Show the hit from Director Loli, the explosion and crater, show Mui at the crater with the totally useless one that should have died(Kurumi), and end it there. THAT would have been a proper cliffhanger, instead they start a whole new story and end it there.

All in all, I liked this series despite its flaws. There were many. But, it was entertaining and interesting. The ending, and Kurumi, will shave some points off my total and bring it down to a 6/10


Thanks mister! I agree with you in EVERY SINGLE aspect. Personally I enjoyed the series, because it is simply entertaining. I hope that this sudden ending of a completely new arc means, that the studio is gonna air a 2nd season for sure, because if this show got a 2nd season I'm pretty sure alot people gonna enjoy it.


Why would people "enjoy it" when they hated the fuck out of S1 and it's full of cliche shit?
 
Mar 27, 2014 5:14 PM

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This could have been better. Yeah, 'could have been' but it was not. Pretty meh. 4/10


 
Mar 27, 2014 5:23 PM

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I am usually pretty generous on my scores for anime shows, but a score of anything above a 5/10 for this is VERY generous.

4/10
 
Mar 27, 2014 5:40 PM

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The_Bif said:
I'm not sure why so many people are saying the show was terrible, or that it won't sell or get another season.


Predictions on how it's going to sell are pretty bad, so yeah. If it's not that profitable I really doubt that they will make another season.


That's exactly what I'm talking about though, it's just predictions. A lot of people that didn't see it as it aired will marathon it now that it's over, and as I've seen happen before it could easily turn around the sells when dvd/bd come out. I'm not saying it will, I'm not saying it won't. I'm just saying that those say there's not going to be a second season because it's not going to sell are bias, following predictions that back their own personal feelings towards this series. They could end up being right, I don't know, but they could just as easily be wrong.

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Raiyden said:
The_Bif said:
I'm not sure why so many people are saying the show was terrible, or that it won't sell or get another season. But, I'm not saying this was a great show either. It wasn't, it really, really wasn't.

The plot was, indeed, full of cliche and overused formulas. That is a given, and cannot be helped really. It was rushed in a lot of places with the whole narration thing, making the entire series feel more like a prologue to something bigger. But, it was not terrible, nor was it deserving of all the hate it's getting. It's only natural that not everyone will enjoy this series, especially those who've read the manga or suffer from the delusions that every new series that is put out HAS to be completely original with a story written as well as the best novels/screenplays in the history of the world. And, most of the people reading this comment will probably not even know what I just said, and instead will try to take it at face value and miss out on the actual truth of my statement. Moving on.

Takeshi really is the biggest idiot of all time. I've seen some idiot characters over the years, but how stupid can one kid be? But, it's part of what made his character. He's naive, immature, innocent, and a victim of some of the absolute worst parenting in the history of bad parenting.

Gekkou. Where to begin with this piece of trash? He's probably the most self-centered and ego-maniacal character I've seen in recent years, tho I could be wrong and just not thinking clearly because of how much he annoyed the hell out of me. Does anything else really need to be said here?

The rest of the characters didn't get development at all, really. Mui was adorable, and provided great fanservice, and could have been a great female lead if this show wasn't obsessed with the most useless female character of all time(Kurumi). Mui's brother, he was pretty much only around when they needed an enemy or someone to save them. Ida had potential to be a great character, but was sadly left in the background until they needed his magic for some petty thing that was obviously there just to give him a reason to show up on screen.

Back to the story. We were given, in the beginning, the groundwork for a good story(no matter how many times it's been told before). But, it never went anywhere. It escalated, but never went anywhere. It twisted and turned, but never went anywhere. Which is why I said up top that this seemed more like a prologue. However, despite it not going anywhere and being rushed in some places, it was still interesting and entertaining to watch. You just have to shut your brain off and stop trying to convince yourself you have no expectations when you really have unreasonable expectations.

The Ending. Oh, that McBullshit. Once again, I say, this seemed more like a prologue. That ending was not a cliffhanger, it was a kick in the balls. Obviously a cheap ploy to build interest for another season, or at least an OVA. If they wanted to do a proper cliffhanger, however, they could have ended it without showing what happened to Takeshi. Show the hit from Director Loli, the explosion and crater, show Mui at the crater with the totally useless one that should have died(Kurumi), and end it there. THAT would have been a proper cliffhanger, instead they start a whole new story and end it there.

All in all, I liked this series despite its flaws. There were many. But, it was entertaining and interesting. The ending, and Kurumi, will shave some points off my total and bring it down to a 6/10


Thanks mister! I agree with you in EVERY SINGLE aspect. Personally I enjoyed the series, because it is simply entertaining. I hope that this sudden ending of a completely new arc means, that the studio is gonna air a 2nd season for sure, because if this show got a 2nd season I'm pretty sure alot people gonna enjoy it.


Why would people "enjoy it" when they hated the fuck out of S1 and it's full of cliche shit?


I'm not sure why I'm taking the time to respond to you, you're obviously part of the demographic I was referring to in my original post. But, still, I'll say this much. Yeah, apparently a lot of people hated this series, and those people wouldn't watch a second season IF it were to happen. Unlikely as that is. But, if you look past your own unreasonable bias against "cliche shit" you'd see there are people who were entertained by this series and would like to know what's happening because of that BS ending.

On a side note: The "cliche shit" you're referring to? Yeah, that's in everything these days. EVERYTHING. If you don't like "cliche shit", stop watching anime or just stop watching television, movies, cartoons, and anime altogether. Cliche's are everywhere. Everything has been done already, the only thing original about anything being done today is the execution of it. This series lacked in the originality of execution, as I've already said it was full of flaws, but those flaws did not make it any less entertaining.

Last, but not least. @Raiyden: You're welcome. I actually posted in another thread about the idea of a second season, as unlikely as that seems to be at this point. Considering my thoughts that this series seems more like a prologue to something bigger, I theorized two possibilities. One, is that they intended a second season from the very start. Two, which expands on that first one, is that they actually created this as a 2-cour but are airing it as two 1-cour series. I theorize this second one simply because of how much that BS ending gives credit to my thoughts that this series seemed more like a prologue than a stand-alone series.
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Mar 27, 2014 5:44 PM
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im pretty sure thats kazuma body but takishi heart(like the conversation of V and kazuma) i think somewhere in the past kazuma gekko and takishi become friends but gekko have some hidden agenda about kazuma thus the batlle to the death with takishi. when everything is done where gekko died and takishi on his last he offer the picture and said they where in the future, knowing this and kazuma knows how to loss everything specially his family because of the suburu academy(there background). he give his body in oder to meet his friends again but in return takishi must promise to abolish the suburu and creat a new world,
and..... :> it so freaking obvious

i will come back and w8 for the last volume of magical warfare if this clean all the hole in the story


and also V is not kurumi she is(.....) ;>.
 
Mar 27, 2014 5:45 PM
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that was an absolutely horrible last episode.

this could have been better with just a cliche ending just like the rest of the show, instead we get some terrible time skip with unanswered questions. the only way i can see this being rectified is a season 2, but there's such a small chance that this will get one because this season was seriously shit.

5/10 and that's probably generous.
 
Mar 27, 2014 5:51 PM
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Jesus fucking Christ. 12 weeks for that ending? What the fuck is wrong with them?

Show started pissing me off halfway through, but I decided to stick through it. I hoped the ending would make up for the shit show, but nope. Still fucking shit.
 
Mar 27, 2014 5:55 PM
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-_- Takeshi Nanase....The most useless male main character I have ever known....... very very Naive....and that bitch Gekkou...he doesn't have Pen*s with him....Always acts like a Bitch..."Because of you...because of you...." lol....be a man please....in my opinion, u 2's fight just like 2 gays fight..... -_-
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:02 PM

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Well that was certainly a memorable final episode. I personally enjoyed the Gekkou Takeshi fight as two brothers going at it to potentially resolve conflicts and trying to get some aligned interests is never unwelcome. I like the bonds aspect and how their brotherly love transcends time.

Unfortunately that kind of hurt the episode in a huge way especially considering its the final episode. Going back in time made no sense for something occuring at the 20 minute mark and just gave no one any idea what was going on. I guess Light Novel readers would know and that it was a rather cheap tactic to use to get us to go out and read it just to know what happens next, but for an anime and storytelling its like the writer just phoned in it.

6/10. The beginning of the anime started off with promise, the animation and magic effects was pretty low key for the most part and disappointing which is odd for Madhouse (even looking at the No Game No Life PV which looks much better and more refined), and the soundtrack was unmemorable. Had Gekkou not entered into the plot in the last five or so it would have been a rather bad series. Certainly nothing I will buy but it did get me to want to see the LN, and the final fight was actually good.
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Mar 27, 2014 6:04 PM

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wtf... 4/10 and i'm being generous
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:14 PM

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I think this anime just won some kind of award for shittiest anime of the decade
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:14 PM

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That cheesy terrible OST playing during the fight scene...
That fight scene was pathetic!
The animation for the fight scene was horrible...
This entire Anime needs to taken out back and buried.

GOD AWFUL!
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:21 PM

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Is Kazuma Takeshi? Why else would he have a picture of isoshima and call Takeshi's mother his own mom?


Not that it matters but the mother said that she had to do something to keep Gekkou from becoming Kazuma...
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:26 PM

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Damn, this last episode left so many questions there better be a second season to explain it all or hopefully the light novels will be translated. Why did kazuma have takashi's picture of isoshima and why did he call takashi's mom mother. I'm thinking after the he fell asleep after the first war, takashi woke up as kazuma.
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:43 PM

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I'm so confused...so Kazuma called Takashi's mom, mother? WTF? but his parents died when Wizard Brace was forcing him to join but he declined and formed the Ghost Trailers...WTF.

This has to be the worse anime ending I have ever seen and hopefully ever will. It stayed true to it's complete utter non-usage of any pace. The entire series was a sprint. One of the worse care for a main cast that I hope I ever experience.

It's not even worth going any further, 2.4 or 2/10. ohhh myyy lord.
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Mar 27, 2014 6:51 PM
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Wait wtf..I know this show is at the bottom of the shitter hole but did they just throw a time travel paradox shit and more questions into the story and then end it on a cliff hanger? lolwat
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:52 PM
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Seriously WTF I feel like I've been slapped in the face lol
This episode should belong somewhere more like the middle of the series because that wasn't conclusive at all...
I want to know what happens but it's so annoying there are so many holes
The novels aren't in english either damn it
I don't think anyone would buy this series xD
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:59 PM
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i only keept watching this anime because of glimpses of something great and it did deliver in the later episodes when the fucking standard school routine stopped. Yea the production value was not amazing but i can live with that, its just bad writing i cant live with. like the fight at the end where the mc snaps from ultra rage mode to gullible idiot mode in a matter of seconds. This trainwreck of an anime could probably have been saved if one would cut out all the empty filler shit and just have plot relevant episodes because then they wouldn't hav had to end right in the middle of the story
 
Mar 27, 2014 6:59 PM
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Wow, I'm so lost... Well hopefully I'll forget about this giant mess of a story.
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:02 PM

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God damn. What a garbage series, not even the ED could save it.
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:09 PM

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So i think he goes back in time.
takeshi becomes kazuma (calling his mother, mother and having the picture of kurumi).
V might be kurumi in the future.
But for all we know, we have no idea.
Hoping for a second season to explain all of this or at least a good ova.
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Mar 27, 2014 7:15 PM

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First of all, where is the connection between episode 11 and 12? Or there is an episode 11,5 and i have missed it?
Second, was this an ending? If it was it must have been the most open ending i have ever seen, it didn't ended nothing, it just left more and more questions to answer.. the story was good, but they jump from one episode to another without making any connection, that's terrible.. but , anyway, i enjoyed the anime, BUT it must have a second season , i want to know what the f*ck just happened in this episode, otherwise, it will ruin it all.
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Mar 27, 2014 7:18 PM
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Has anyone tried reading the manga. Holy crap!
It's super confusing, I got so lost when trying to read it lol
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:26 PM

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What's up with that ending. Dang, I wasn't prepared that's for sure. Didn't really enjoy the series overall (not talking about this episode).
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:29 PM

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Extreme trolling ending.

WTF? Why did Kazuma say goodbye mother to Takeshi's mom and have Isoshima's pic that Takeshi has? Takeshi = Kazuma? No way they clearly are different people when he went back in time...

Whatever, this gets a 5/10 from me.
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:35 PM
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I was honestly okay with this show right up til this last episode, sudden time travel was the last thing I was expecting, but given the episodes before I suppose I should have been ready for anything.. 5/10
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:38 PM

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seriously, what? we were left we a whole lot more questions and almost no answers.
That was a great battle between Gekkou and Takeshi though. Love the OP playing through the battle.
Man I hope Gekkou dies in the most violent way possible.
Hmm....6/10.
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Mar 27, 2014 7:58 PM

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So he goes back in time and... the end?
I must say, scince around episode 2, I've hated this series. Nano's ending was the only good thing about it.
Can I just erase all memory I have of this anime?
3/10
This anime has changed the way I watch anime. I will now on do MUCH more research on a series before I begin it. Therefore, no more 20 series per season. I have learned my lesson.
 
Mar 27, 2014 7:59 PM

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wow that was.. uh.. pretty .... .. well wasnt that great heh I think they are aimming for an s2 (if Maken ki can get one any adaption can) But really--_ more plot holes more questions and more Gekkou whining and what Future Takeshi now too?
 
Mar 27, 2014 8:04 PM
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So frustrating... and the only LN translation I've found is on Baka Tsuki with the first book not even finished. Anybody read the LN's and have any spoilers for wtf is happening? This show started out pretty cool then fell completely apart towards the end.
 
Mar 27, 2014 8:06 PM

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So it ended up the way Infinite stratos 2 did? really?
 
Mar 27, 2014 8:16 PM

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Yeah, im gonna pretend i didnt watch 12 eps of this shit.
 
Mar 27, 2014 8:36 PM
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What the hell happened in this episode?
 
Mar 27, 2014 9:00 PM

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Well that's five hours out of my life I won't get back...
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Mar 27, 2014 9:11 PM

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wtf was this.. ending just left the series hanging with a hole bunch of unanswered holes... how they end it just when the epic battles begin? i didnt like the mc/VA, i'd like this
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Mar 27, 2014 9:22 PM

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Whoa, it didn't even bother to do a wrap up or alternative ending... they shouldn't have went with this unless they have a second season. But if they had planned for a Season 2, the anime shouldn't have been rushed so much.

Also, he was in the castle of the Trailers to save Kurumi, but then he is in front of his house already. -_- Next, Kurumi being on the side of Wizard Brace already and we have the confrontation. O_o Just how rushed can this anime be? Skipping time/stuff forward that the audience need to assume they happened with reason.

My goodness, it is good that it shed some light why Gekkou is hated, and this just left more questions, especially what is gonna happen to the world now, Kazuma is the brother of Gekkou and Takeshi.

Sigh. Hopefully, the next light novels being adapted alongside MahoSen won't be so butchered like this on the next seasons.
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Mar 27, 2014 9:46 PM

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It's finally over. When the ED is the only good thing in the series, you know it's bad.

4/10 and that's me being generous.
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Mar 27, 2014 9:50 PM
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Um... can someone help me here? im so confused at the start of episode 12. at the end of episode 11, they went to save isoshima? and then suddenly they are in the real world? what exactly happened between... ?
 
Mar 27, 2014 9:56 PM

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i have this feeling that i missed one episode between ep 11 and 12
Doesn't matter if it's good or bad, if I like I will watch.
 
Mar 27, 2014 9:57 PM

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Oh, Mahou Sensou became the one of the greatest anime in the history in a bad sense.

The start of the final episode was not linked the previous one. Same as usual, the characters that I can't sympathize with made a noise. Without recovering the foreshadowing, a question of extra-large class has been added. And the story has ended abruptly.

It was as I expected.

In the other huge internet forum, they taught me that this work is a great joke. In that way, I enjoyed overall.

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Also, he was in the castle of the Trailers to save Kurumi, but then he is in front of his house already. -_- Next, Kurumi being on the side of Wizard Brace already and we have the confrontation. O_o Just how rushed can this anime be? Skipping time/stuff forward that the audience need to assume they happened with reason.

Those are the points to laugh at. At least, many viewers regard in this way...in Japan. Unfortunately or fortunately, no one saw seriously it in here.
 
Mar 27, 2014 9:58 PM

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The plot holes are strong in this one. I thought I missed an episode or something at the start of this one.

WDF kinda ending was that ??

terribly done 4/10 maybe lower

what a garbage series
 
Mar 27, 2014 10:03 PM

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i have this feeling that i missed one episode between ep 11 and 12

Hahaha, I felt that I missed three episodes. Those are ep 11.5, ep re-12 and ep13.
 
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What kind of ending was that? Takeshi just gone back to past, and then it ended. I hope there is a second season.
 
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