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Aug 31, 2009 10:57 AM

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There was so much hilarity in that episode. :)
 
Aug 31, 2009 11:02 AM

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tsukikage said:
There was so much hilarity in that episode. :)

yeah it was awesome xD i love the manga's humor lol :)
 
Aug 31, 2009 11:14 AM

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yeah, the humour is good.

what the hell did they do with first season =\
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Aug 31, 2009 1:05 PM

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Ok episode. There were some genuinely funny moments that were very different from the comedy of the series, and that was much appreciated. But factoring in the flatness of Havoc's scene, random guy talking to Mustang, Winry randomly making her presence (and exit) known, and what's his name, Miyano Mamoru's character being the same as always, but now being able to sense Homunculi, I'd say the pace was off.

There were just too many badly handled transitions...or none at all. Kind of like they were highlighting a lot of important scenes from the manga that had to be shown, but they wanted to contain it all in this episode.
 
Aug 31, 2009 1:13 PM

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Ok episode. There were some genuinely funny moments that were very different from the comedy of the series, and that was much appreciated. But factoring in the flatness of Havoc's scene, random guy talking to Mustang, Winry randomly making her presence (and exit) known, and what's his name, Miyano Mamoru's character being the same as always, but now being able to sense Homunculi, I'd say the pace was off.

There were just too many badly handled transitions...or none at all. Kind of like they were highlighting a lot of important scenes from the manga that had to be shown, but they wanted to contain it all in this episode.


yeah....the sensing homunculi was for whatever reason cut out of the central fight where lust died. it would have made more sense if they had not cut out the envy/gluttony/ran fan/ling fight in those episodes.
 
Aug 31, 2009 1:17 PM

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Awesome, Ed neutralized Scar's attack. A nice episode, even if it was rapid speed bullet fire.
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Aug 31, 2009 2:12 PM

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Good episode, they had enough reasons to fight unlike any other shounen. Certainly it was a smart cliffhanger, probably a good pewpew coming, also, I was missing the real Miyano Mamoru's voice style, that silly ridiculously high pitched voice does not suit him. Hes extremely good doing drama, that scene where La Fan gets slashed and he screams was awesome.

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Aug 31, 2009 2:40 PM

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Badass episode! This is getting really good, I think I'm going to pick up the manga this week. I wanna know what's next!!

I think I'm liking the storyline for Brotherhood more than that of the original series.
 
Aug 31, 2009 3:04 PM

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Badass episode! This is getting really good, I think I'm going to pick up the manga this week. I wanna know what's next!!

I think I'm liking the storyline for Brotherhood more than that of the original series.


lol yeah i love the manga storyline way more....cant wait for september's chapter :) were about to break 100 chapters!! xD
 
Aug 31, 2009 3:12 PM

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I laughed at the part when Ed was helping everyone XD. It really sucks that Havoc gets paralysed :(
 
Aug 31, 2009 3:43 PM

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Always ends in the best part...
 
Aug 31, 2009 4:11 PM
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Yeah, indeed =( I want to watch the next episode!

Ah! Now Ed has got some more brothers XD (Führer, Gluttony...)
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Aug 31, 2009 4:38 PM

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Another one of those “I cannot wait for the next episode” moments.
 
Aug 31, 2009 4:40 PM

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WOW!! I am was left speechless by the last 8 minutes of the episode. This is really brilliant, so good it boarderline a masterpiece! The episode was funny, Ed on the verge of admiting he is And I quote "Sh... Sh... Short!!! Ahhh I said it" That was funny, the episode was funny at the start then began to get serious and enticing! Cannot wait for next week! Does anyone know why they had a week break? Just out of curiosity> XD
 
Aug 31, 2009 5:53 PM

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OMG Can't wait till next week! Haha loved this weeks ep too.
 
Aug 31, 2009 6:58 PM

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Lan fan :(

Al + Roy in the backseat was hilarious though.
 
Aug 31, 2009 7:05 PM

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Agreed with the sentiment that the transitions from scene to scene in this episode were definitely out of whack.

But loved the ending.
 
Aug 31, 2009 9:15 PM

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Obnoxious Ed was hilarious! I seriously can't for the Ling fight with Bradley. Hopefully it will be even more epic than in the OP.


 
Aug 31, 2009 11:30 PM

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suigetsu00 said:
yeah....the sensing homunculi was for whatever reason cut out of the central fight where lust died. it would have made more sense if they had not cut out the envy/gluttony/ran fan/ling fight in those episodes.


Not really - it was the same info, only that we learn it this time instead of episode 19. It was obvious that the scene was cut to keep the focus on the ongoing action.

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There were just too many badly handled transitions...or none at all. Kind of like they were highlighting a lot of important scenes from the manga that had to be shown, but they wanted to contain it all in this episode.


Read the manga chapters, then maybe you can compare the two. That's what I did (stopped at 45) so I can confirm my observations about the pacing and such.
 
Sep 1, 2009 12:48 AM

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Lol gluttony's face was priceless after ran fan kicked him in the face.
 
Sep 1, 2009 2:19 AM

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Awesome episode. And finally Ling and Ran Fan do something impressive! So far, I've felt that they were useless side characters and weren't really doing much aside from providing comic relief. This episode proves otherwise. I have to agree that the episode felt a bit all over the place with so many different things and ideas being presented to us, but it wasn't too distracting enough for me to not enjoy the episode. The humour was also really great this episode and I think I paused the video once to get the laughs out of me before moving on xD
 
Sep 1, 2009 4:29 AM

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The comedy this time felt different than usual, but for the better. Looks like a lot of confrontation coming up. I hope Ran Fan is alright, the Xingese need to be around longer before something major happens to them. I wonder, does this mean Scar will (with any luck) be written out of the story soon? I never liked or even cared about his character be it first series, manga or even this so having him out after resolving whatever loose ends involving him will be an absolute delight to me.
 
Sep 1, 2009 4:41 AM

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I wonder, does this mean Scar will (with any luck) be written out of the story soon? I never liked or even cared about his character be it first series, manga or even this so having him out after resolving whatever loose ends involving him will be an absolute delight to me.

If I'm not mistaken, I'm quite sure he will not be excluded.. Although I won't say why, since I'm not completely sure. (Yeah a friend of mine came up with the brilliant idea to spoil alot of the content from the manga for me >.> dunno though how much of it was true: D)
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Sep 1, 2009 4:57 AM

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i love Scar <_>

and it would be stupid if they would get rid of him right now...

in the end he would be on 'good' side... i mean he should fight those humungulus things... not eduard
 
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in the end he would be on 'good' side... i mean he should fight those humungulus things... not eduard
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Sep 1, 2009 5:23 AM

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that was my opinion )) just my thought, its not a spoiler lol
 
Sep 1, 2009 5:32 AM

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Ah! robbydesu!
Welcome back to the society! : D
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Sep 1, 2009 6:46 AM

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It was a good episode. Lots of action and comedy.. But why did they edit out the part of Marcoh being abducted by the Homuculi?


 
Sep 1, 2009 7:08 AM

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It was a good episode. Lots of action and comedy.. But why did they edit out the part of Marcoh being abducted by the Homuculi?
I'm sure some people suspect that they are the ones who had some part to his dissapearance. But at the same time some people may not and have other suspicions - there is a possibility that further explanation would be shown in future episodes. So on the behalf of people who didn't read the manga let me say this:

Thanks for spoiling. :D
 
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But at the same time some people may not and have other suspicions - there is a possibility that further explanation would be shown in future episodes.
Thanks for spoiling. :D


By the current Brotherhood track record of cutting important stuff out....


No, there are no such possibilities.
 
Sep 1, 2009 9:10 AM

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Sayuri-Hime said:
Badass episode! This is getting really good, I think I'm going to pick up the manga this week. I wanna know what's next!!

I think I'm liking the storyline for Brotherhood more than that of the original series.


lol yeah i love the manga storyline way more....cant wait for september's chapter :) were about to break 100 chapters!! xD


: O

Damn I have a lot of reading to do!!!
 
Sep 1, 2009 9:52 AM

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I don't think they cut out Marcoh being kidnapped...that was pretty much the implication with that scene however many episodes ago. Lust said something to the effect of "we need information" and blah blah blah...
 
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I don't think they cut out Marcoh being kidnapped...that was pretty much the implication with that scene however many episodes ago. Lust said something to the effect of "we need information" and blah blah blah...


Well the scene was indeed cut out...twice.

 
Sep 1, 2009 11:45 AM

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Nice episode. Ed fixing things all over town made me laugh really hard. The same with Mustang playing with the radio.
So they are finally on to the Fuhrer. And what a cliffhanger at the end. Can't wait for next episode.
 
Sep 1, 2009 11:53 AM

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Ed fixing things all over town made me laugh really hard.

I actually thought about that too, it was.. actually.. a rather hilarious way to go about it, getting Scar's attention xD
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Fai said:
noteDhero said:
I don't think they cut out Marcoh being kidnapped...that was pretty much the implication with that scene however many episodes ago. Lust said something to the effect of "we need information" and blah blah blah...


Well the scene was indeed cut out...twice.



Huh, well, somehow I still got the message. I guess for clarification they should have reiterated it again this episode.
 
Sep 1, 2009 12:19 PM

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Ed fixing things all over town made me laugh really hard.

I actually thought about that too, it was.. actually.. a rather hilarious way to go about it, getting Scar's attention xD


But he can make a pretty decent job out of it actually.

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Sep 1, 2009 3:34 PM

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HOLY SHIT CLIFFHANGERRR@#$#$R$TGGTGRFFDSER AHHHH
Awesome awesome epic episode. Loved it.


 
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I NOW ADMIT THAT FMA:B IS BETTER THAN FMA.


http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/01/full-metal-alchemist-ratings-collapse/

Sorry.... I just had to post that ...

I think mainly because two reasons together ... Most of the episodes watched have been recaps, even so they were still rushed and have shoddy character depth.
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that site is retarded.

fma br. IS better than fma1.
period.
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http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/01/full-metal-alchemist-ratings-collapse/

Sorry.... I just had to post that ...
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that site is retarded.

fma br. IS better than fma1.
period.


yeah. tard site is tard
 
Sep 2, 2009 5:51 AM

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Lvhina said:
Naruleach said:
I NOW ADMIT THAT FMA:B IS BETTER THAN FMA.


http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/01/full-metal-alchemist-ratings-collapse/

Sorry.... I just had to post that ...

I think mainly because two reasons together ... Most of the episodes watched have been recaps, even so they were still rushed and have shoddy character depth.



Sales =/= Quality.

Gundam Seed sold like hell and was the shittiest anime ever made.

So I have to say. What is your point?

And its already obvious that you like the emo stretched out stuff of FMA1 so go and watch it, instead of trolling a perfectly fine manga adaptation :3
 
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Sigh, I expected responses like those... So first, Gundam Seed has a larger larger fanbase than FMA , so comparing those two would be laughable (even though i'm not a gundam fan). And as to Smokes, I didn't want to touch the subject but your opinion entirely doesn't matter in this, because there are people who acutally watch it when it airs contributing to TV ratings and there are people (which this site probably consists of more than 3/4) that watch fansubs in which the studios that produce this dont really give a fuck about your opinions. I wonder how the LOW dvd sales from the first volume is going to hold for the future of this. But than again, who in these forums actually buy the DVD or BD, at least i'm not guilty of that. :-p
As to Fai, i know that you are a FMA fanboy... so basically i'm going to make my point as less harsh as possible. What gernally happens when ratings go down for an anime? Even though they continue to produce it they would be cutting some here in there on production values and if it continues like this it might just become rushed together in the end hurting all those that keep proclaiming it "good" because it stays true to the manga.
Even if i think FMA is better than FMA:B, you might consider this to be a fine anime because its obvious you are a fanboy of this series. If that is the case, than I don't understand why you like it so much. I'll say it again, there is shoddy character depth. It was pretty much fail from the start, who wanted to watch through those recaps .. probably a vast majority of people, so it was rushed leaving Ed and Al with no visible personal relations with anyone outside Winry.. I'm still confused why they were so broken up about Hughes death when in this remake they only met him a couple times. You even see a more emotional connection between Mustang and his subordinates ( who lately have been getting more air time than Ed and Al ) rather than focusing how Ed and Al are connected to other people. I'm going to be extremely worried if and when Rose comes back in the picture and they actually remember her name let alone have a past friendship with her.
You might like this anime because you are an over excited manga fan that doesn't really care about any other details, trying to convince urself that as long as it somewhat follows the manga it's still good. As for other people, it doesn't really take much to entertain them, considering most of the comments have been the animation and fights. But I guess I didn't expect any better response from this thread...

Edit: Fai, enjoy quoting every other sentence that I posted as usual... I may lurk on these forums but even I don't have that kind of free time. ;-)
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Sigh, I expected responses like those... So first, Gundam Seed has a larger larger fanbase than FMA , so comparing those two would be laughable (even though i'm not a gundam fan). And as to Smokes, I didn't want to touch the subject but your opinion entirely doesn't matter in this, because there are people who acutally watch it when it airs contributing to TV ratings and there are people (which this site probably consists of more than 3/4) that watch fansubs in which the studios that produce this dont really give a fuck about your opinions. I wonder how the LOW dvd sales from the first volume is going to hold for the future of this. But than again, who in these forums actually buy the DVD or BD, at least i'm not guilty of that. :-p
As to Fai, i know that you are a FMA fanboy... so basically i'm going to make my point as less harsh as possible. What gernally happens when ratings go down for an anime? Even though they continue to produce it they would be cutting some here in there on production values and if it continues like this it might just become rushed together in the end hurting all those that keep proclaiming it "good" because it stays true to the manga.
Even if i think FMA is better than FMA:B, you might consider this to be a fine anime because its obvious you are a fanboy of this series. If that is the case, than I don't understand why you like it so much. I'll say it again, there is shoddy character depth. It was pretty much fail from the start, who wanted to watch through those recaps .. probably a vast majority of people, so it was rushed leaving Ed and Al with no visible personal relations with anyone outside Winry.. I'm still confused why they were so broken up about Hughes death when in this remake they only met him a couple times. You even see a more emotional connection between Mustang and his subordinates ( who lately have been getting more air time than Ed and Al ) rather than focusing how Ed and Al are connected to other people. I'm going to be extremely worried if and when Rose comes back in the picture and they actually remember her name let alone have a past friendship with her.
You might like this anime because you are an over excited manga fan that doesn't really care about any other details, trying to convince urself that as long as it somewhat follows the manga it's still good. As for other people, it doesn't really take much to entertain them, considering most of the comments have been the animation and fights. But I guess I didn't expect any better response from this thread...

Edit: Fai, enjoy quoting every other sentence that I posted as usual... I may lurk on these forums but even I don't have that kind of free time. ;-)


I must say that although your arguments are right about the connections of Al and Ed and that there wasn't a good enough character development and everything seemed rushed when they started getting to the new material things seemed to be a lot better. And am not a FMA fanboy or a reader of the manga.
The first part of FMA1 was better than what we saw on Brotherhood but as it was going on it seemed to lose the potential it had. Brotherhood wasn't as good until now but it seems to get better now. So basically the first started good but got worse in the process while this one started mediocre but it gets better as it goes.
 
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Monad said:
I must say that although your arguments are right about the connections of Al and Ed and that there wasn't a good enough character development and everything seemed rushed when they started getting to the new material things seemed to be a lot better. And am not a FMA fanboy or a reader of the manga.
The first part of FMA1 was better than what we saw on Brotherhood but as it was going on it seemed to lose the potential it had. Brotherhood wasn't as good until now but it seems to get better now. So basically the first started good but got worse in the process while this one started mediocre but it gets better as it goes.
I complately agree :D - and yes I am also not a reader of the fma manga :P
 
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well i suppose No one loved Brotherhood at the beggining.. cause it was the same stuff and the pacing was uber fast... but as the series continued the show was getting better and better...

so basicly That site just was a report on the First 5-10 episodes... which were bad
 
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smokes said:
so basicly That site just was a report on the First 5-10 episodes... which were bad


Bad for those unable to separate FMA1 from FMA:B? Maybe

Bad for manga fans? Certainly no.

Bad for new viewers? Certainly no.

sankaku comments reveal it all - "not dark enough", "too much comedy", "where's ma dante?", "too fast", "not enough character development". - its clear that some people still nostalgically hold FMA1 as some sort uber awesome ultimate anime, refusing to see both as two separate entities and refusing to understand that adding anything to those first 10 episodes would not really add anything in terms of FMA:B character personalities.


That site report is report on how much people live in nostalgy. I am betting that if it did not share the same title, ratings and sales would be a lot better.


Some people just can't understand that FMA1=/= REAL Fma.

Yes I agree that FMA:B is NOT a perfect adaptation, but its certainly handled a lot better than FMA1 ever was.
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First thing's first...
Episode 21 was GREAT. Though I really wanted that one scene that had a certain little boy in it. (Is it a crime that I love him? O_O)
We're finally getting somewhere. XD

Now... This is going to be long and somewhat pointless...
There are factors that would have caused the decline in ratings for the first 20 episodes. The repetitiveness of the first 13 episodes is one. Majority of the people who dropped Brotherhood watched the first anime and watching the same events again in a different animation style and a fast pace and that might have turned off some people. I noticed in the chart that the ratings went off after episode 9 (Which is probably 6 million times different and BETTER from its anime1 counterpart btw) and the ratings go from high to low onwards. Which is a shame since the show is really picking it up. In fact, the pace isn't something to complain about anymore.

In conclusion, rating and popularity do not always equate to a good story. I will say, yes, FMA 1 did some things better than Brotherhood and Brotherhood did some things better than FMA 1. FMA 1 had more time to develop the characters (Although some of them were lacking) and FMA Brotherhood has the upper hand in telling a great story. I agree that Brotherhood went to subpar to better.
The rating does not change my opinion that Brotherhood is a must-watch anime.
 
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Here's the thing that people are failing to see:
-FMA:B debuted to lower ratings
-This is episodes 1-19, which means well into new material
-There is a steep drop off where new material creeps up
-The steep decline (if I remember correctly) coincides with Hughes death
-FMA only gets better even though at that time lots of people knew it wasn't based completely off of the source

To me, this speaks more of marketing than anything else. That the show debuted lower than the original, and doesn't manage to get any of the ratings its predecessor did suggests that there was a failure in communincating why anyone should watch the series. Then you have the overall decline, and that suggests that it was a terrible idea to rehash story at a tornado pace that alienates almost every viewer except for those not happy with the first adaptation.

The spike suggests to me that people used the Huges/Lab 5 arc build up as a litmus to decide whether or not they would watch the show, and people quickly discovered that they didn't care, leading to the bottoming out at around episode 10, his death.

If you ask me, both shows are equally flawed but in different, complimentary ways. FMA had the opportunity of coming out first, and Brotherhood clearly never gave anyone a good reason to go back. This is more a promotion problem than anything since the ratings are still tanking and we're in a totally new space narratively. I almost think they should use a week to do a .5 recap episode to put people up to speed so they can try to gain more viewers.
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