Kill la Kill
| My cousin was disappointed at how many times Mako could have died and really wants her to die in order to "save" the anime... Like many other people, he's watching Kill la Kill because of Trigger's famous Gurren Lagann. He began watching with expectations of Gurren Lagann... Meaning death of characters. The series hasn't even ended yet and he's claiming it to be a disappointment... He also states that all anyone can remember are "highlights" of the anime, using Nonon in her "nudist beach" outfit (yes, he thinks all people will ever remember about Kill la Kill are that and other "highlights"). I personally disagree. It's like saying in Chuunibyou and K-ON you expect someone to die because of Clannad (Kyoto Animation). Please leave your opinion of this matter. I would like to see what others think. |
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| I forgot to mention that he also claims that all good action anime have someone dying in it. I'm guessing he meant main characters only since he wants Mako dead so badly... |
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| >relying on killing a character off to make a story good That's called shitty writing. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: >relying on killing a character off to make a story good That's called shitty writing. ^this |
| Seriously? Even in Gurren Lagann it was totally pointless for the majority of the cast being dead.. Kamina's death had meaning.. The rest was for shock value.. If Trigger decides to cross that line it better be something meaningful.. Like Satsuki dying for Ryuko or something.. I don't want deaths for shock factor |
| Thanks for all the replies so far, I will be showing him all of your opinions about this. I really don't like his idea of a "good" action anime. It's what he gets for always watching some dark shit. Now he's always so caught up on characters dying. It's as if he wants all the characters to die. It's so stupid. |
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| Everything with a happy ending is shit to your cousin, isn't it. TallonKarrde23 said: >relying on killing a character off to make a story good That's called shitty writing. |
TallonKarrde23 said: >relying on killing a character off to make a story good That's called shitty writing. |
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Titanz25 said: Seriously? Even in Gurren Lagann it was totally pointless for the majority of the cast being dead.. Kamina's death had meaning.. The rest was for shock value.. If Trigger decides to cross that line it better be something meaningful.. Like Satsuki dying for Ryuko or something.. I don't want deaths for shock factor It wasn't simple shock value, I mean, |
otvku said: My cousin was disappointed at how many times Mako could have died and really wants her to die in order to "save" the anime... Like many other people, he's watching Kill la Kill because of Trigger's famous Gurren Lagann. He began watching with expectations of Gurren Lagann... Meaning death of characters. The series hasn't even ended yet and he's claiming it to be a disappointment... He also states that all anyone can remember are "highlights" of the anime, using Nonon in her "nudist beach" outfit (yes, he thinks all people will ever remember about Kill la Kill are that and other "highlights"). I personally disagree. It's like saying in Chuunibyou and K-ON you expect someone to die because of Clannad (Kyoto Animation). Please leave your opinion of this matter. I would like to see what others think. maybe we do just remember the highlights, but there's just so many highlights in every single episode so yeah XD |
| I may as well chime in with my thoughts: Let me start with this: Killing a character doesn't make a story good. Psycho-Pass was a great example of this. If you don't like a character, their death won't mean anything to you. KILL la KILL has been characterizing almost everyone to equal measure, which means that when the deaths /DO/ come, they will leave an impact. Secondly: Knowing the team behind KILL la KILL, its past, and what they have said about the ending in interviews ("KILL la KILL will have a bittersweet ending.") everything points to one, sad conclusion: Main Character(s) Will Die. My personal thoughts are that Senketsu, Ryuuko, Satsuki or Gamagoori will be the ones to take the fall, as they would leave the biggest emotional impact. The fact that they say the finale will tie in with the first Ending Credits, pushes the probably death flag into Ryuuko or Senketsu's camp. Again, character deaths do not make a story good, but they /DO/ add impact if the story is good enough. Acknowledging that, I believe that we are in for some sad moments, considering how well they've presented the above characters. These are just my thoughts however, take them however you will. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| It can't get any worse anyway. I'm not expecting too much in the last three episodes either. Three weeks, finally. |
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Candor said: Kill la Kill just have a bunch of one-dimensional characters whose deaths mean nothing to us/would do nothing to us. < Here, I said it better. You said the exact opposite of what I said. Congrats on trying to be satirical, you win at life. No seriously. Take your trophy and go. Nobody else can win anymore. Anyway, to humor you, I will explain further: K-ON has only one-dimensional characters. KILL la KILL has quite a few fleshed out characters, and a few one/two-dimensional characters. I clearly listed out the characters whose deaths would impact the audience in my post. If you cannot make a proper critique, or debate a topic with someone politely, please leave, thank you. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
otvku said: since he wants Mako dead so badly... I want to slap your cousin. |
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Candor said: Satsuki, the ojou-sama who is good at everything, even changing sides by showing not a single hint. (talk about shitty writing) Everytime she's in trouble she gets out by plotketsu. I don't care for the other things you said. But you must have not been paying attention to say this. There were several subtle and clear hints of Satsuki not being on the 'evil' side of things, like how she didn't finish Ryoko a lot of times or how she seems to be happy about Ryouko getting stronger and in fact helping her become so. And many more hints, someone can draw from her behavior. It was all good buildup and foreshadowing for the revelation that she is one the 'good' side and that was not ''shitty writing'' but the complete opposite. Satsuki is not a perfect ojou sama. She is shown to be weak and vulnerable a few times, like with her mother in the bath and her utter defeat by her mother later on. She had a lot of great speeches, a compelling ideology, a charismatic leader with strong will and a powerful presence in the show and a good basis of conflicts with the main antagonist and the protagonist. She had a good back story, and a good explanation for her motives. I think her characterization is pretty good and maybe even unique. It's something you don't see in a lot of female characters. I can understand someone complaining about anything in this anime but not Sastsuki. |
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Candor said: So basically the talking piece of cloth who just wants to bang stay with Ryuuko. Ryuuko, the girl seeking revenge for her father's death who changes sides without any proper build-up or characterization for it. Satsuki, the ojou-sama who is good at everything, even changing sides by showing not a single hint. (talk about shitty writing) Everytime she's in trouble she gets out by plotketsu. (Actually now that I mention it, plot devices are all over the place in this show, aren't they?) Gagamoori.. wait why is this guy even here? Huh, so you can explain your side of things, amazing. You could try to be more polite and detailed about it though. Since you took the time to bother posting again, let me respond: Well, there's my explanation for listing the characters I did. Unless you actually explain your seemingly-blind hate a bit more, I won't bother to respond to you from now on. Regardless, thanks for the discussion. |
BRSxIgnitionMar 12, 2014 10:43 AM
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| Dunno , But I smell they'll kill Nui & Ragyo but for me: I hope they pull an evangelion and kill all characters in the finale :P Candor said: Satsuki, the ojou-sama who is good at everything, Even at getting Raped ,Molested and Spanked at the Ass |
| Nothing like the smell of trolls in the morning. To answer OP's question, depends on how the death is executed if it will happen. Kill la Kill is good as is, but a death will certainly have strong emotional impact especially for fans like me who are invested in the characters. Also knowing the creators behind Gurren Lagann, a death scene is likely to happen sometime. |
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migohunter said: Nothing like the smell of trolls in the morning. To answer OP's question, depends on how the death is executed if it will happen. Kill la Kill is good as is, but a death will certainly have strong emotional impact especially for fans like me who are invested in the characters. Also knowing the creators behind Gurren Lagann, a death scene is likely to happen sometime. ^This. I don't really care whether there's a death or not unless there is good reason for it. |
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| Again, thanks for all the replies... Not to be an asshole or anything but I'd like to keep this on topic. Meaning what you think of this issue between me and my cousin and why. Do you think a death will be great for the anime? Or do you think that NO death would be a disappointment? Etc etc. Thanks again for all the replies everyone! Keep them coming! |
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Heredity said: Candor hasn't been paying attention to the extremely simple plot of KLK. He even missed Ryuuko being brainwashed before changing sides - how do you miss that? Because it seems that more than one person (not only Candor) on this forum completely don't understand the concept of brainwashing for some incredibly stupid reason. But the main problem is that he completely misses the even obvious characterization in Kill la Kill. otvku said: Again, thanks for all the replies... Not to be an asshole or anything but I'd like to keep this on topic. Meaning what you think of this issue between me and my cousin and why. Do you think a death will be great for the anime? Or do you think that NO death would be a disappointment? Etc etc. Thanks again for all the replies everyone! Keep them coming! I will certainly welcome a death scene if it is done right. But if Kill la Kill ends with a happy ending with none of the protagonists dying I wouldn't mind all that much. |
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ollythirteen said: BRSxIgnition said: Candor said: So basically the talking piece of cloth who just wants to bang stay with Ryuuko. Ryuuko, the girl seeking revenge for her father's death who changes sides without any proper build-up or characterization for it. Satsuki, the ojou-sama who is good at everything, even changing sides by showing not a single hint. (talk about shitty writing) Everytime she's in trouble she gets out by plotketsu. (Actually now that I mention it, plot devices are all over the place in this show, aren't they?) Gagamoori.. wait why is this guy even here? Huh, so you can explain your side of things, amazing. You could try to be more polite and detailed about it though. Since you took the time to bother posting again, let me respond: Well, there's my explanation for listing the characters I did. Unless you actually explain your seemingly-blind hate a bit more, I won't bother to respond to you from now on. Regardless, thanks for the discussion. That was a good read. Don't really agree on Senketsu or Gamagoori though but the Ryuuko and Satsuki reasons were spot on. Fitting that the stars of the show get the most development (though when comparing this show to others, it does pale in comparison a little...). Good read, though. Wow. I agree that was a great read. I don't know why my cousin would choose Mako. He's thinking that since she's the closest one to Ryuuko, it's going to be another Kamina all over again. But I could see all the ones that were listed there... I honestly don't want anyone to die. I feel they've gone so far with these guys that no one should die. But then again, like what migorhunter said with the whole Gurren Lagann history that Trigger has, something may come up. |
otvkuMar 12, 2014 6:16 PM
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| killing people off for no reason is just forced and contrived, with gurren it establishes its tone very early on with a important character's death and then proceeds to handle very dark material that only gets more dire as the series goes on, thats why the deaths of most of the cast in that series feels in place, in kill la kill its a comedy for 70% of the series if not more barely ever reaching full drama if ever for more than a minute and never establishes death at any point even for random npc's, if you randomly offed a MC it'd feel out of place and really forced and honestly if someone died there wouldnt be any impact, i like most of the cast despite my dislike for the show(except ryuuko who is a terrible main character especially in recent episodes) but i wouldnt feel sad even if they died because we never get to know them past their comedic personality . We dont know any of their dreams ambitions or really much of their backstory outside of meeting satsuki,their personality doesnt change and we never feel like we know them they just are there to drive the comedy and on rare occassions the plot, the reason a death scenes can work with an emotional impact is when they happen to characters we truly get to know inside and out and feel like we traveled with only to be devastated when their journey is cut short, in klk we dont have that we just have archytypes and while they are admittidly entertaining ones you really cant bring yourself to care for anyone other than maybe sanketsu and ryuuko since while ive expressed my feelings on the latter i will admit we at least get some inside looks into her so that there would be some emotional connection to some sanketsu may be the only character that should be possible to die in this series but literally anyone else would be forced(save for villains obviously). So no it would not be better, if anything it'd be worse. not every action series needs to address the possibility of death and kill la kill is one of those |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Heredity said: He was torn apart, but from the looks of the Preview, it seems they recollect his life fibers. We may see a new Godrobe next EP.didn't junketsu technically just die last episode? It explains why they didn't add Satsuki (Senketsu ver.) to the versions shown in the OP. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: >relying on killing a character off to make a story good That's called shitty writing. Not if it's executed properly. If someones dies and its done well and adds to the narrative, then by all means have someone die. However, if it'd done for cheap shock value I'd rather not have anyone meet an untimely death. In any case, the only characters I've formed any kind of connection to are Ryuoko, Senketsu, and Mako, and they're the only characters I'd feel anything for if they were to be killed off. I don't expect a happy ending for Kill la Kill, though, assuming it goes the way of TTGL. |
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MrAM said: i dont see a happy ending but i dont think it will folllow gurren's ending, gurren set up its tone by having a very dark plot with a anyone can die scenario, it sets it up early on and continues to throw depressing curve-balls. kill la kill has set up its a comedy series with an occasional serious bit but ultimately will always stay a comedy series with jokes sprinkled throughout even the more serious of scenes in the show. The only ending im picturing thats not happy would be something like after they defeat the life fibers nui ryuuko and sanketsu begin to disapear, nui dies cause why the fuck would you help her and then sanketsu sacrifices himself somehow to save ryuukoI don't expect a happy ending for Kill la Kill, though, assuming it goes the way of TTGL. thats the only way i see this ending semi bittersweet |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
migohunter said: Nothing like the smell of trolls in the morning. Expressing different opinions =/= Trolling. |
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Heredity said: Candor hasn't been paying attention to the extremely simple plot of KLK. He even missed Ryuuko being brainwashed before changing sides - how do you miss that? Maybe he's one of those watchers who just skips through scenes when he's not interested... |
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tsudecimo said: migohunter said: Nothing like the smell of trolls in the morning. Expressing different opinions =/= Trolling. At least you gave reasons, I'm talking about more than one person here who came here simply as an excuse to attack the show and give ignorant opinions. |
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ollythirteen said: @TallonKarde23 and others who think killing off characters for shock value is simply crappy writing I said something very specific - not what you changed it into being. Well, first off, "for shock value"? Yes, this is factually bad writing if they are doing it simply for shock value. However, my actual point is to correct you: I never said killing a character makes something badly written, I said, and I quote "relying on killing a character off to make a story good" is bad. There is a difference between a good story where a character dies and a story that has to rely on a character death to have anything to it. I didn't even read the rest of your post as you decided to twist my words into something they weren't, and I don't like that. |
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| Someone will most likely die.. The ones with the most development..(Ryuko/Senketsu/Satsuki) I hope it doesn't happen because they're good characters and I like all three of them but I can almost already guarantee it might be Ryuko..Mako is pretty much saved at this point..Girl keeps cheating death.. You're going to have development between the sisters to get them closer then one of them will get offed.. Like someone stated since we know Ryuko it will be emotional to see her go because she just wanted a normal life.. In Satsuki's case her family will be taken away from her..again. The biggest reason for her hated and betrayal is due to the fact her father and sister(in her eyes) were killed.. Nui most likely will die.. I will get kind of mad but it has to be done.. In the first half she was one of my favorite villains period.. In the second half it's like she changed into a character who's misunderstood and wants Ryuko with her because she is the same as her and besides Ragyo.. Ryuko is the only one that can understand her.. At this point I don't think either Mako or the Devas will die |
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Titanz25 said: Someone will most likely die.. The ones with the most development..(Ryuko/Senketsu/Satsuki) I hope it doesn't happen because they're good characters and I like all three of them but I can almost already guarantee it might be Ryuko..Mako is pretty much saved at this point..Girl keeps cheating death.. You're going to have development between the sisters to get them closer then one of them will get offed.. Like someone stated since we know Ryuko it will be emotional to see her go because she just wanted a normal life.. In Satsuki's case her family will be taken away from her..again. The biggest reason for her hated and betrayal is due to the fact her father and sister(in her eyes) were killed.. Nui most likely will die.. I will get kind of mad but it has to be done.. In the first half she was one of my favorite villains period.. In the second half it's like she changed into a character who's misunderstood and wants Ryuko with her because she is the same as her and besides Ragyo.. Ryuko is the only one that can understand her.. At this point I don't think either Mako or the Devas will die Most likely Ryuko will be the one that won´t survive to KlK. As I read on other thread, the fact that she's one with the life fibers means that, if the lf are killed, she will die too, so.. |
| I hope there's a Happy End though. I really want to hear "Light your Heart up" in this show again. What better timing for this to be other than the ending? I saw the spoiler death in Gurren Lagann and felt that it was completely unnecessary and also out-of-place in that show. In any case, I think Life Fibers can still survive and co-exist with humans (independently from the original mother Life Fibers) if they found the appropriate technology for it. The proof of it lies with Satsuki's team, who can modify Life Fibers into Uniforms. The original life fibers had the wrong idea about trying to propagate out. Such a method was unsustainable in the long run. There was also a lot of talk about people being friends with clothing (Life Fibers), Ryuuko was proof of that. |
sentience said: I hope there's a Happy End though. I really want to hear "Light your Heart up" in this show again. What better timing for this to be other than the ending? I saw the spoiler death in Gurren Lagann and felt that it was completely unnecessary and also out-of-place in that show. In any case, I think Life Fibers can still survive and co-exist with humans (independently from the original mother Life Fibers) if they found the appropriate technology for it. The proof of it lies with Satsuki's team, who can modify Life Fibers into Uniforms. The original life fibers had the wrong idea about trying to propagate out. Such a method was unsustainable in the long run. There was also a lot of talk about people being friends with clothing (Life Fibers), Ryuuko was proof of that. YUP that spoiler ruined any chance that I'll be continuing TTGL; at least for now. I was roaming the forums and got caught by the no spoiler tag, spoiler. It would suck if KLK went down that road. |
Zeally said: YUP that spoiler ruined any chance that I'll be continuing TTGL; at least for now. I was roaming the forums and got caught by the no spoiler tag, spoiler. It would suck if KLK went down that road. Same. It was a pity since the first episode was presented in a way that made me really like TTGL. The characters were relatable, just like in KLK. If there would be anyone who would die, hopefully it will be the actual villains, not the heroes. Yes, looking at Ragyo, Rei and Nui. |
| Don't know, it's not that kinda show for me where a sacrifice would make it better. Even if it did it would still only be an above average show. |
| All we REALLY know at this point is that they plan to go for a "bittersweet ending." We have no idea what they mean by that - but if they really wanted to, they could have ALL side characters self-sacrifice to buy time for Satsuki & Ryuuko to do something. We just don't know. |
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