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Aug 29, 2009 3:57 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I just had a thought during this episode. How awesome would it be if the series ended by Anthy fighting Utena to get power over herself? I guess I'll have to wait and see what happens.

When I first watched this series, I really liked Mikage. I do not understand why.

The little hand pointed at two guys holding hands. I'm glad.

I can't believe he made out with her. Bascially he uses heartbreak to control people.

That quote was awesome at the end. "For a plant to bear fruit, it's flowers have to die."
 
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Nov 13, 2010 6:29 AM

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Oooh, Akio, you manwhore

I liked the hand pointing to the guys holding hands <3
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Apr 8, 2011 9:10 PM
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Traffic joke at the beginning was funny. It's pretty common for multiple people speaking at once to all be passionate, to the extent that each ignores the other and their voices create an impenetrable wall of sound.

Genius boy (can't remember his name) has an interesting portrayal. Intelligent people are prone to fixate on oddly specific things/ideas, and while he certainly did that with work, the blinking hand icon was a good touch.

The little brother in the flashback seems to be the Prince. Up until now I considered the present Prince Canidate and Akio to be separate individuals, but now it seems the little brother is dead. In addition, Akio is confirmed to be the source of conspiracy, perhaps even the End of the World given how the Student Council refers to it. I recall Touga confusing Utena greatly by just mentioning his parallels to the Prince. If Akio has even the us questioning who he might be, there's no telling how badly he'll be able to manipulate her.
 
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Jul 7, 2011 8:43 PM

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Just when I thought the series was slipping this episode comes around. Akio is an interesting character and he may in fact be the End of the World..but I'm still curious about his talks with the prince and so on. There has just been clues here and there but I can't say for sure what could be going on.

What WAS very interesting was seeing the aged woman from the past and her conversation with Akio. It seems people really don't age when the are at the academy.
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Jul 30, 2011 7:52 AM

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interesting...
 
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Sep 14, 2011 5:43 AM
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Ok. I'm a bit more confused than before. So Akio is the one manipulating everyone. And why did the young Himemiya burn down the academy?
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Nov 1, 2011 5:01 PM

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This was very welcome after the past few episodes. Just fascinating to get a look into the past like that. The hand-pointing got a little annoying after a while though (the two holding hands, haha)

I quite like Mikage so far, but who knows.
And yup, Akio's as scheming as ever.

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I think Akio has already manipulated Utena, it seems he may be Utena's "prince" (anyone who wears the ring makes a contract with him). I wonder why Mikage all the sudden wanted eternity after seeing Akio making out with that woman (forgot her name), I have a few ideas as to why, but nothing really concrete. A ton of symbolism in this episode and I will probably come back to this episode after finishing the series to give it a second look.
 
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Jan 7, 2012 8:02 PM

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So, why does the little brother look nothing like his sister? Why does he have a red dot on his forehead - is that going to be a distinguishing mark for all of the non-white people in this show?

And it's funny how the little brother didn't mind dying - how he even to Mikage and his sister that he appreciates what they're doing but that they're wasting their times - and yet suddenly he decides to set fire to the building to find eternity. It seems out of character from what we saw earlier.

Except... the little brother is dead? His aged sister went to visit the grave?

Hmm...
 
May 31, 2012 7:50 PM

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This episode started out great, but then I got very confused lol nevertheless it was an interesting episode.
 
Aug 29, 2012 10:30 PM

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Marzan said:
Ok. I'm a bit more confused than before. So Akio is the one manipulating everyone. And why did the young Himemiya burn down the academy?


Oh yeah I just noticed the dot on the kid. I thought the little brother burned it down.

Wait didn't this happen 100 years ago...?
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Sep 6, 2012 5:47 PM

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Well, that was a different and interesting episode; however, even as information is being revealed about what is going on at the academy things still remain as mysterious as ever. For example, it seems quite likely that Akio is the End of the World but that really doesn't clear much up in terms of his motivations.

Also, was there any clear indication on how much time had passed since the fire?
 
Jan 27, 2013 3:13 PM

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Can't believe I forgot about this series for so long! It's nice to get back to it, even if this episode was a little confusing.
 
Feb 7, 2013 10:03 AM

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A welcomed change of pace. Glad that episode happened. A little confusing, but I have a couple of theories in what's going on. Hopefully they continue with this course of plot and don't get side-tracked with another flushing out of a side character to fight Utena.
 
Mar 4, 2013 11:11 AM

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Great episode!
I started to watch this series starting with the first 10 episodes in the first couple days. The last 5 or so, I noticed I was getting distracted with other things and didn't have as much drive to watch it. Hopefully this is a good pick-me-up that throws it into the next arc, which I heard was much better.

I think what I found the most interesting was the dialog at the end concerning the school being a kind of structure that keeps eternity a reality... or of the school's reality, anyway. I know it was mentioned before, but this is obviously an important theme.
 
Apr 25, 2013 8:59 AM

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EOTW said:
I think Akio has already manipulated Utena, it seems he may be Utena's "prince" (anyone who wears the ring makes a contract with him).


Mind blown.

I guessed pretty early on Akio was bad news ever since it first showed him next to the figure of Utena's prince a number of episodes back.

But wow. Didn't even consider that Utena may have somehow gotten into a contract. What about the student council then?

In general this has been by far my favourite episode. I really like Mikage's character. Hope he doesn't get written off next episode (he probably will).

The show is finally starting to give me Mawaru Penguindrum vibes as things get more complicated
 
Jun 30, 2013 6:59 AM
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I really didn't get half of the symbolism the blinking hand was pointing at. What was the framed leaf supposed to represent, same goes for the cat's and the stained teacups.
 
Sep 19, 2013 3:00 PM

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How did they stay young? And I'm guessing 20-30 years since the fire incident.
 
Nov 18, 2013 8:22 AM

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I really didn't get half of the symbolism the blinking hand was pointing at. What was the framed leaf supposed to represent, same goes for the cat's and the stained teacups.

don't worry, me neither. I'm not even sure if there was really any DEEP meaning behind it. guess not..

finally a better episode!
but I have a feeling I've seen this before... now I'm confused myself.
Either way, interesting that noone seems to age at the academy (?)
 
Jan 15, 2014 9:43 PM

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Holy shit finally something DIFFERENT happened. I had this series on-hold for so long because the previous 8 or so episode was the same damn thing recycled..

This episode stopped me from dropping the series.
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Jan 11, 2015 2:33 PM

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Interesting yet confusing episode. I couldn't take the scene seriously with the Chu-Chu balloon. XD
 
Feb 17, 2015 1:47 PM

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This episode pretty much confirmed that people don't age in Ohtori Academy. What the hell kind of place is it, lol

We also learn that Mikage is Nemero and that he was being manipulated to participate in some sort of research project; Akio might be the mastermind behind everything; and Mamiya either faked his death or is not alive at all. Plus a bunch of other things that I probably missed.

Those blinking pointing hands were... interesting. Judging by some of the things they were obnoxiously pointing at, like the cats increasing in number and the butterfly on the wall (metamorphosis), they could be metaphors for the concept of time and how messed up it is in Ohtori Academy. I'm not sure why the lipstick on the cup or the two guys holding hands were pointed out though.
 
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ok sooo this anime is is jsut different I'm going to leave it at that
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Sep 22, 2015 7:49 PM

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The pointing hand was very distracting.

4/5
 
Feb 16, 2016 3:31 PM

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I didn't really get the pointing hands tbh.
 
Aug 1, 2016 4:40 PM

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The butterfly and the leaf the hand was pointing to can be seen in the elevator on the present time. I just don't know what they mean.

And much less what was so important about the guys holding hands and the lipstick on the cup.
 
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i just feel like i'm being f*cked with
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May 26, 2017 11:27 PM

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No one gets the lipstick on the cup? xD It was first shown after the lady drank from it and it reappears again in his office. ;) I guess he took it and kept it? It shows his love for her.

Not sure about the two guys holding hands...hmm.
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Jun 3, 2017 10:42 PM

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So the people at the school literally aren't aging, or at least not those connected to the Power of Dios.

Good backstory episode..
 
Aug 12, 2017 2:51 PM

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Slower episode...but that reveal at the end was freaky. People don't age at this school? :o

I have no idea what the hell the blinking hands were about.
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Aug 14, 2017 6:52 PM
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What's with all the finger cursors?

So did Mamiya die during the fire or did he only "die" for his sister when he set the fire that killed a hundred people.

So those contracted (or everyone) don't age in the academy and it looks like Akio has been pulling peoples strings for quite a while now. No idea for what reason though.
 
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I think he didn't die, he died for his sister. I mean we have seen him talking to Nemura before right?

So Akio it's The End of the World? I think we are somehow getting closer to some primal form of truth but i still can't find 'that' thing that makes this series apparently incredible. Don't get me wrong it has been quite interesting but i was expecting for some type of breaking revolutionary message or smth.
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B A C K S T O R Y A N D E X P O S I T I O N

Also, that girl thinks Mamiya is dead... There's something fishy going on but I can't put my hand on it... And the whole thing with the rings and some kind of contract, really suspicious.
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Sep 30, 2018 12:01 AM

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I died at the train crossing in the background of the student council. It's the most absurd backdrop yet.

I'm not even sure how to describe what's going on visually in this show; chu-chu inflating into a balloon (magical realism?), the train crossing (surreal?), the shadow girl(s?) that now Utena and others are aware of, and interact with (meta?); same thing with the pointing hand.

 
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Whoa, that was both intriguing, and legitimately creepy, easily the best episode in a while!
 
Jan 24, 8:28 AM
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So after forcing myself to watch this anime for like 21eps, finally this episode caught my interest. Gad that really took me long isnt it ._.
Uhh just hoping the next episodes turned out well..
 
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That was a very interesting episode. The pointing hands we see here and there show the broken concept of time:
- The cats reproduce in a matter os seconds
- The sand clock doesn't measure time correctly, causing Tokiko to make tea which is too strong
- The sand clock is shown in 2 cuts, the first one being upside down - it's then revealed that we see a reflection. It probably means that the time somehow flows backward as well as forward, resulting in it not moving at all. I also noticed that the sand clock which is turned upside down resembles the castle in the air at the arena. I wonder if that means anything or if I'm overanalyzing it.
- "The snow won't disappear soon, right, professor?", "The snow in the greenhouse never melts, right?" - it clearly indicates that time inside the academy (or inside the greenhouse, which seems to be very symbolic and resembles a bird cage) does not work the way we believe it normally should.

There're also lots of very interesting details about the characters. Mikage (a.k.a professor Nemuro) is wearing black gloves and glasses, which underline his robotic nature and disconnection from the world. It's especially true for the glasses, because they serve as a barrier between the world and the person's eyes, which are believed to represent the soul. Nemuro is a closed person.

We get more commentary on the concept of eternity, which is crucial for the show. Tomiko is trying to dry the roses in a desperate attempt to preserve them for a longer period of time, which shows how much she desires eternity (likely because her brother seems to be gravely ill). But why is her brother black? He doesn't look like his sister at all. It's a very interesting detail, which might be relevant later. As of now, Mamiya is a lot like Himemiya, there are a lot of parallels between these two characters, including their appearance (are they connected?) and the scenes in the greenhouse among the roses.

I love how Utena tells Anthy that she doesn't have to follow the orders. It's obvious how Utena is trying to "break the contract", while Anthy is bounded by it.

Overall, I absolutely loved this episode. Lots of exciting details, past events, touching scenes and stunning music which sends shivers down my spine. This episode even made me like Mikage a lot. I think he'll turn out to be a tragic character (if he isn't already).
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About hand-pointing. That's a rather odd visual detail. Maybe it was done to show Mikage's robotic way of analyzing things?
 
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