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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION. DO NOT DISCUSS THE LIGHT NOVEL BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well I don't blame Harutora for panicking like that. A new character is introduced and he's pretty tough with the fists. I think Kyouko is showing more of her feelings this episode than I had she would. I think there's a way to save Natsume but they need to work together, especially Kyouko after her recent talk with Natsume. Damn, poor girl. |
rodacMar 5, 2014 10:45 PM
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| Is she still alive? |
| Harutora's silent demeanor at the last part is already a sign of a storm coming up. Those bastard Omnyouji Agent should better be ready to receive their biggest punishment! Buwahahahahahahaha!!! If it is Harutora, well, you can't blame him. It is true that he already awaken , but because of Natsume's death, his mind are being pre-occupied by it. Well, as you can see at the last part, it seems he is already calm down. His memories might already digging up slowly. Just like what they always said: Protagonist kind--> Protagonist lost someone important--> Protagonist went berserk--> Protagonist suddenly calm down--> Protagonist has change and become badass. |
| It's not a matter of talent. It's a matter of will |
| Ah too bad Natsume won't stay dead. It's so cliche. She wasn't much of a character and it would be much more interesting to see how other characters develop after her death. One of main characters actually dying would be a nice breeze of originality. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| Next episode is gonna be awesome. Ootomo & Douman are gonna fuck some people up. If I was Harutora I would rip Souma limb from limb along with anyone associated with her. |
VanishingKira said: Also what was up with Tenma?I'm guessing Douman planted another charm on him. Or maybe Souma Takiko traded places with Tenma. . . Well there is also the possibility that Tenma might actually not be a useless character (which I really hope for) but at this point I don't see it happenin' |
| First change "manga" to "light novel" then this discussion will be right. second its ootomo/douman+ MC group vs reiji/onmyo angency fourth the whole last book BEGINS/TEMPLE is going to either be 1 episode or to The DarkSky and BEGINS/TEMPLE are gonna share the remaining 3 episodes. fifth the magic in this series i enjoy because unless your part of the story, you wouldnt know how the fuck to cast spells. i like that kind of stuff. Mod Edit: possible spoiler deleted. next episode is going to be a whole shitfest of spells, lols and harutora being a OP badass |
rodacMar 5, 2014 10:53 PM
| Just an anime fan, doing what an anime fan does |
| Hell yes, Jin and Doman are gonna attack the Onmyo Agency together! Though it seems like Reiji will get in the way. It will be good if Suzu joins the assault too. Miyo seems to be as dense and clueless as ever. I thought she was supposed to read the stars as well. Yet she still doesn't suspect the Onmyo Agency. Jin sounds angry. Even when he Fought Doman he sounded pretty calm. I hope he kills Reiji next week. I never did like the guy. |
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| Expecting bombardments of CGI next episode. |
| ]oke oke oke I think that haratora will sacrifice his power to revive her |
| Harutora is willing to do anything to bring Natsume back to life. Kyouko seeing that Tenma seems different. I'm thinking that Souma Takiko has something to do with this. |
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| This episode Atleast they're starting to get things in the right direction Screw some Omnyo Agency in the next epi |
| "If you don't love anyone, it'll make your life easier. But, I don't want to believe it's useless to love anyone" - Hikari Sakishima |
| The next ep is going to be epic isn't it? hope everyone have their chance to show off their powers and no one important to me die~ >< |
| It should be about time some bad guys start dying. I guess is time for Ohtomo sensei to kick some ass again. |
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Tohka_Yatogami said: I hope Harutora will find another way to bring Natsume back to life. Great episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next episode is going to be even better *-* Mod Edit: major plot point spoiler removed. |
rodacMar 5, 2014 1:45 AM
| oh man Ootomo-sensei and Douman are going to fuck shit up next episode can't wait |
| Not a bad episode at all. The pacing feels just right for this one which is great. They really are building up the tension nicely. Hopefully it all pays off. |
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Antanaru said: Indeed. Here the last episode gave me hope, maybe for once they would have shift with a main dying. One that wasn't that they die in the second episode that is. But no. Of course she will just be brought back and the main cast is as immortal as ever.Ah too bad Natsume won't stay dead. It's so cliche. She wasn't much of a character and it would be much more interesting to see how other characters develop after her death. One of main characters actually dying would be a nice breeze of originality. |
| harutora still not a bad ass guys... when will this change? will he ever be anywhere close to ohtomo-sensei's bad assery? |
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Xelzeno said: Indeed. Here the last episode gave me hope, maybe for once they would have shift with a main dying. One that wasn't that they die in the second episode that is. But no. Of course she will just be brought back and the main cast is as immortal as ever. Taking this episode alone, even if she stays dead, I don't think the anime handled a death of a main character right. I mean aside from a slightly panicked Tora, everyone else seemed off. And with as much as he cared about Natsume, i really wish they had him snap and just go berserk. |
| Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Also, I aint got nothing against they bringing Natsume back to life... its not like her death was really well done anyway |
| Another setup episode, and that too a boring one. I guess the cliffhanger was okay. Well in a good way that means D/Ohtomo vs onmyo agency next episode. Expecting episode 14 all over again. Patureau said: He is the main character, we just see the story from Harutora's point of view. And from Vol10 I heard that there is a shift of main characters. Not sure what you're implying here but yeah, 8bit made Touji's character interesting one.Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Kurogashi said: harutora still not a bad ass guys... when will this change? will he ever be anywhere close to ohtomo-sensei's bad assery? We will most probably see Harutora fighting in episode 23. As for your second question, yes but only after he gets all of his memories back. He will still give a good fight though. |
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| Nice end season setup we got going. So we have Touji's group, Jin+Douman, Suzu and possibly Tsuchimikados entering a stand off with Genji, Shidou and rest of Onmyo Agency. Poor Harutora though, can't blame him if doesn't want believe happened. Unfortunately he's now in a bind if wants to revive Natsume and is quite unstable state now. That devil's deal Shidou's offering pretty goddamn tempting to him right about now. Ophis said: Miyo seems to be as dense and clueless as ever. I thought she was supposed to read the stars as well. Yet she still doesn't suspect the Onmyo Agency. She already knows (not all of the details obviously) remember? That's why she let Ohtomo resign. She has school to run and has little time for much else. |
Xelzeno said: Antanaru said: Indeed. Here the last episode gave me hope, maybe for once they would have shift with a main dying. One that wasn't that they die in the second episode that is. But no. Of course she will just be brought back and the main cast is as immortal as ever.Ah too bad Natsume won't stay dead. It's so cliche. She wasn't much of a character and it would be much more interesting to see how other characters develop after her death. One of main characters actually dying would be a nice breeze of originality. This a really silly comment, Natsume has just died period. Whether she's brought back or not irrelevant as it's executed well like anyother plot element. Certainly doesn't change how powerful ep 20 or fact Harutora couldn't keep his promise. Everyone actions this episode is propelled by the death of a loved one and that's fact. Furthermore don't act as if Taizan Fukun Ritual is banned spell won't have it's own repercussions if used both socially and personally. I'm so tired of people acting as if know everything about a story due one thing. |
Iron_MawMar 4, 2014 7:04 PM
Nuvi said: Another setup episode, and that too a boring one. I guess the cliffhanger was okay. Well in a good way that means D/Ohtomo vs onmyo agency next episode. Expecting episode 14 all over again. Patureau said: He is the main character, we just see the story from Harutora's point of view. And from Vol10 I heard that there is a shift of main characters. Not sure what you're implying here but yeah, 8bit made Touji's character interesting one.Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Kurogashi said: harutora still not a bad ass guys... when will this change? will he ever be anywhere close to ohtomo-sensei's bad assery? We will most probably see Harutora fighting in episode 23. As for your second question, yes but only after he gets all of his memories back. He will still give a good fight though. will he get his memories back by the end of the season? |
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scribblicious said: Why berserk? People wont respond with violence unless they are accustomed to violence. If he went berserk, if would completely be out of character. Actually I think the anime is handling someones death just right instead of the usual cliched manner where its just used as an excuse for more violence. I mean Kyoko and Harutora blaming themselves is spot on. Tragic situations isnt new to Tenma (but the anime has him too cool with it) and Touji's reaction is okay for his background, but he is too focused on Harutora than he should be. In an emotional state, I dont see anything wrong with him doing something out of his character. Don't get me wrong I understand where u are coming from, I personally just wish more had happened in this episode I guess. Also it was still handled in a cliched manner with half the episode being them ( Kyoko and Harutora) blaming themselves with the whole "It's all my fault" But hey, here's to hoping the remaining episodes are great |
Kurogashi said: Nuvi said: Another setup episode, and that too a boring one. I guess the cliffhanger was okay. Well in a good way that means D/Ohtomo vs onmyo agency next episode. Expecting episode 14 all over again. Patureau said: He is the main character, we just see the story from Harutora's point of view. And from Vol10 I heard that there is a shift of main characters. Not sure what you're implying here but yeah, 8bit made Touji's character interesting one.Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Kurogashi said: harutora still not a bad ass guys... when will this change? will he ever be anywhere close to ohtomo-sensei's bad assery? We will most probably see Harutora fighting in episode 23. As for your second question, yes but only after he gets all of his memories back. He will still give a good fight though. will he get his memories back by the end of the season? Harutora was plenty badass when he defeated Shaver, doesn't mean he suddenly going to be beating every single person he come across. |
| This is the most focused the storytelling has ever been. I wish the entire adaptation was like this. |
Rcd said: scribblicious said: Why berserk? People wont respond with violence unless they are accustomed to violence. If he went berserk, if would completely be out of character. Actually I think the anime is handling someones death just right instead of the usual cliched manner where its just used as an excuse for more violence. I mean Kyoko and Harutora blaming themselves is spot on. Tragic situations isnt new to Tenma (but the anime has him too cool with it) and Touji's reaction is okay for his background, but he is too focused on Harutora than he should be. In an emotional state, I dont see anything wrong with him doing something out of his character. Don't get me wrong I understand where u are coming from, I personally just wish more had happened in this episode I guess. Also it was still handled in a cliched manner with half the episode being them ( Kyoko and Harutora) blaming themselves with the whole "It's all my fault" But hey, here's to hoping the remaining episodes are great It's hardly cliched though. They both have legit and understandable reasons why they feel they contributed to Natsume's death. Harutora and Kyouko are human too, and should be allowed to grieve like everyone else. |
Kurogashi said: He's the so called Yakou reincarnation so why not. Shidou's dialogues hinted pretty well that he still is Harutora and his Yakou's side is still yet to shown up. This reminds me of Yuuji from shakugan no shana season 3 so much.will he get his memories back by the end of the season? While this episode was actually a boring setup to get the plot moving but I think that is how the author does it. If this episode animated till chapter 2 then the conflicts arises in chapter 3 to 5 right? So I don't see anything wrong with author as some posts stated. 8bit should devote some good budget in upcoming fights then. |
NuviMar 4, 2014 7:25 PM
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Nuvi said: Another setup episode, and that too a boring one. I guess the cliffhanger was okay. Well in a good way that means D/Ohtomo vs onmyo agency next episode. Expecting episode 14 all over again. Patureau said: He is the main character, we just see the story from Harutora's point of view. And from Vol10 I heard that there is a shift of main characters. Not sure what you're implying here but yeah, 8bit made Touji's character interesting one.Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Well he is in the main cast, but like you said the story is from Harutora's pov, which makes him THE main character, with more screen time and all... What I meant was I think Touji is a much better character and I would like to see him as THE main character instead. To be honest he is one of the most "believable" characters I've ever seen, judging by the fact that all of his thouhgts and actions almost allways seem to me like something a real person would do, you can only achieve that when you create a multi-layered character, which is rare nowadays, I believe. Now when you talk about shift in main characters, do you mean they will change the whole cas of main characters, or just shift the point of view to a already part of the main cast character ? |
Patureau said: Nuvi said: Another setup episode, and that too a boring one. I guess the cliffhanger was okay. Well in a good way that means D/Ohtomo vs onmyo agency next episode. Expecting episode 14 all over again. Patureau said: He is the main character, we just see the story from Harutora's point of view. And from Vol10 I heard that there is a shift of main characters. Not sure what you're implying here but yeah, 8bit made Touji's character interesting one.Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Well he is in the main cast, but like you said the story is from Harutora's pov, which makes him THE main character, with more screen time and all... What I meant was I think Touji is a much better character and I would like to see him as THE main character instead. To be honest he is one of the most "believable" characters I've ever seen, judging by the fact that all of his thouhgts and actions almost allways seem to me like something a real person would do, you can only achieve that when you create a multi-layered character, which is rare nowadays, I believe. Now when you talk about shift in main characters, do you mean they will change the whole cas of main characters, or just shift the point of view to a already part of the main cast character ? Wait. How is any characters actions not believable outside his? If anything most people wouldn't do what Touji is doing especially without any plans. What's he going to do when gets caught by Yashamaru and Kumomaru? Get beaten to death? Temna was probably the most levelheaded person there. Now if you agree with him the most i can sort of understand. |
Rcd said: scribblicious said: Why berserk? People wont respond with violence unless they are accustomed to violence. If he went berserk, if would completely be out of character. Actually I think the anime is handling someones death just right instead of the usual cliched manner where its just used as an excuse for more violence. I mean Kyoko and Harutora blaming themselves is spot on. Tragic situations isnt new to Tenma (but the anime has him too cool with it) and Touji's reaction is okay for his background, but he is too focused on Harutora than he should be. In an emotional state, I dont see anything wrong with him doing something out of his character. Don't get me wrong I understand where u are coming from, I personally just wish more had happened in this episode I guess. Also it was still handled in a cliched manner with half the episode being them ( Kyoko and Harutora) blaming themselves with the whole "It's all my fault" But hey, here's to hoping the remaining episodes are great I'm with scribblicious here... I think we are just expecting the normal Anime response to a death XD But think about it, in the real world how many persons do you know have gone "berserk" when someones is killed ? A few, in the heat of the moment ? sure, but not many... Especially not people with Harutora-like mentality... Especially after several hours have passed since the death. Honestly what the show has done seems much more of a natural reaction to me... But of course with would have been much more cooler if he had just destroyed everything in his path haha |
| OMG I hope Harutora doesn't' sacrifice himself to save Natsuem T_________T |
Patureau said: You do know that this is a supernatural anime with nothing real in it? Not even the characters. Well I appreciate your liking towards a certain character in this series ( which is a good thing since you like at least 1 thing rather than completely hating on the anime). I personally don't care about Touji nor Harutora. But it will be nice to see how Harutora's Yakou side(well they are the same person anyway) reacts to Natsume because I just watch it for the romance aspect which is nice to see. If only he had a romantic interest then I could really care about Touji. I still like how the author ships him together with Harutora, such a BRO he is, I tell you. Well he is in the main cast, but like you said the story is from Harutora's pov, which makes him THE main character, with more screen time and all... What I meant was I think Touji is a much better character and I would like to see him as THE main character instead. To be honest he is one of the most "believable" characters I've ever seen, judging by the fact that all of his thouhgts and actions almost allways seem to me like something a real person would do, you can only achieve that when you create a multi-layered character, which is rare nowadays, I believe. Now when you talk about shift in main characters, do you mean they will change the whole cas of main characters, or just shift the point of view to a already part of the main cast character ? As for your second question, the anime won't be covering that so the answer itself could be a spoiler. |
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Jagd84 said: Patureau said: Nuvi said: Another setup episode, and that too a boring one. I guess the cliffhanger was okay. Well in a good way that means D/Ohtomo vs onmyo agency next episode. Expecting episode 14 all over again. Patureau said: He is the main character, we just see the story from Harutora's point of view. And from Vol10 I heard that there is a shift of main characters. Not sure what you're implying here but yeah, 8bit made Touji's character interesting one.Why isn't Touji the main character ? goddamit Well he is in the main cast, but like you said the story is from Harutora's pov, which makes him THE main character, with more screen time and all... What I meant was I think Touji is a much better character and I would like to see him as THE main character instead. To be honest he is one of the most "believable" characters I've ever seen, judging by the fact that all of his thouhgts and actions almost allways seem to me like something a real person would do, you can only achieve that when you create a multi-layered character, which is rare nowadays, I believe. Now when you talk about shift in main characters, do you mean they will change the whole cas of main characters, or just shift the point of view to a already part of the main cast character ? Wait. How is any characters actions not believable outside his? If anything most people wouldn't do what Touji is doing especially without any plans. What's he going to do when gets caught by Yashamaru and Kumomaru? Get beaten to death? Temna was probably the most levelheaded person there. Now if you agree with him the most i can sort of understand. I didnt meant at this especific episode, I meant through the whole show. Also it is not like every action of other characters is out of place. The thing is Touji is the only one in the whole cast that did not passed me the impression of "oh I'm watching a anime, these people dont exist" at some point or other (outside of his powers of course, talking about personality here). Especially when put up agianst Harutora, Natsume and Dairenji, Touji is a very believable character. He is not conveniently stupid when the plot requires him to be, or take actions I would hardly see from a real person, or falls into a cliche personality that only exists naturally in anime world. About Tenma, he was believable this episode sure, and trough the most the series, the thing is he hasn't been explored nearly as much as Touji has. We know Touji pretty deeply, cant say the same about Tenma, he doesnt even have the screen time necessary to allow us to know him that much. I honestly dont consider him one fo the main characters. And finally Touji's actions this episode : completely believable, in my opinion. Its exactly what I expected from him, its not something that came out of nowhere. |
Patureau said: I'm with scribblicious here... I think we are just expecting the normal Anime response to a death XD But think about it, in the real world how many persons do you know have gone "berserk" when someones is killed ? A few, in the heat of the moment ? sure, but not many... Especially not people with Harutora-like mentality... Especially after several hours have passed since the death. Honestly what the show has done seems much more of a natural reaction to me... But of course with would have been much more cooler if he had just destroyed everything in his path haha As you and scribblicious say it may have been a normal response and to an extent I agree...tho it would have been nice to see him go apeshit when Suzuka's dad showed up and the helicopters came to capture them. |
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