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Aug 13, 2009 10:53 AM

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I think we're just as in the dark about what Amarty told Horo as Lawrence is. I don't imagine it is the "i love you thing" as he probably did feel that way (Shown the same way lawrence shows it, by being willing to lose money over her). More than likely it was something bad about Lawrence and chances are Horo will eventually tell us before the series is done.
 
 
Aug 13, 2009 11:16 AM

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Yeah, this was the best episode thus far. Gotta love Horo~ <3

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Also maybe Amarti said "Can I put it in your butt?" >.> unforgivable.

i lol'd. xD
 
Aug 13, 2009 11:30 AM

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Second most anticlimactic ending to an arc I've seen all year.
They basically said that the majority of the past 3 or so episodes were worthless.
Bad.
 
Aug 13, 2009 11:53 AM

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I actually kind of felt bad for Amarti a bit...

It's not like he just tried to steal someone else's girl. Horo did tell him that she's just a travelling nun and has a huge debt to pay off to Lawrence.... I'm sure if he knew that Horo and Lawrence were an item he'd leave them alone, but Horo basically just used him right from the start.

She's evil....
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Aug 13, 2009 12:56 PM

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Hmm, more Horo definitely makes for a much better episode, and it's not surprising Horo was the one who bought the pyrite and they ended up back together. But I kinda feel disappointed, because the way Horo explained it made it seem like a lot of the drama over the last couple episodes was unnecessary.

Yeah I felt the same way. And while I was kind of surprised at how long this arc took, at the same time I didn't expect it to end in such an abrupt fashion xD

 
 
Aug 13, 2009 12:58 PM

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I think we're just as in the dark about what Amarty told Horo as Lawrence is. I don't imagine it is the "i love you thing" as he probably did feel that way. More than likely it was something bad about Lawrence and chances are Horo will eventually tell us before the series is done.

This. Totally ridiculous if it was the "I love you" from Amarty to Horo. Im pretty sure it was some bad thing about Lawrence.

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Aug 13, 2009 1:01 PM

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Mikiyo said:
Falatorx said:
I think we're just as in the dark about what Amarty told Horo as Lawrence is. I don't imagine it is the "i love you thing" as he probably did feel that way. More than likely it was something bad about Lawrence and chances are Horo will eventually tell us before the series is done.

This. Totally ridiculous if it was the "I love you" from Amarty to Horo. Im pretty sure it was some bad thing about Lawrence.
I also have to agree with this.
 
Aug 13, 2009 1:49 PM

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Hum...
For me, the first idea is Amarty try to "buy" Horo from Lawrence for 1000 Silver Coins.
With this idea, i think Horo doesn't really to be considerated like a object no ?
 
Aug 13, 2009 1:50 PM

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I kind of felt let down after all the previous buildup. It was just like "lol Amarty you little punk bitch, you got played" and it was done. Although I can't complain that Horo is back to her old self.
 
Aug 13, 2009 1:53 PM
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Jigero said:
I don't think it's gonna wrap up this season, they said they got like 1 or 2 years of travel left I just don't see how they can do that in just 6 episodes. Unless like the last 2 episodes they just skip a number of years. Which I think will be pretty disappointing. Also I would love to see another season, I don't see my self getting sick of this anytime soon.


Yeah that's quite true. Judging from their conversation about where Holo's homeland is they can stop at a couple towns/cities in between and then the forest. Also, Lawrence's first estimate when he had not heard the legend was like a year and a half wasn't it? Then (after hearing it from Deanna and being able to pinpoint its location more) he said even if it takes them six months he'd still travel with her. So we'll be probably be left with another season's worth.
 
Aug 13, 2009 3:30 PM

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noteDhero said:
Second most anticlimactic ending to an arc I've seen all year.
They basically said that the majority of the past 3 or so episodes were worthless.
Bad.


That's kind of what was going through my mind as well, though not as harsh as you stated. This arc should easily have ended last week, if not earlier. I'd figured as much it was all planned out by Horo.

Anyway, now that Horo was actually back on talking terms with Lawrence, I now realize how much this show suffers without her interaction. The second half of this show was so much more enjoyable with her witty comments.

Kind of glad this arc is over, but it did have its good points, especially with all the drama.
 
Aug 13, 2009 3:44 PM

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Awesome Episode.
Excellent Story
 
Aug 13, 2009 3:57 PM
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Most of my reactions are to other people's reactions, lol. As for the episode, they had weird timing. It feels anticlimactic to have the contract end just a few minutes into the ep, but the long conversation afterward, from the book, was going to take about ten minutes no matter what. I think they were just kind of stuck. The way I try to think of it is, the arc wasn't really about the merchant's duel anyway. It was really about Lawrence deciding how valuable Horo is to him, that she's not some random coincidence along the way (like Mark said), and for both of them to stop using Yoitsu so much as a cover for truly wanting to be together. So ending it with that reconciliation is just as well.

Responses to other viewers:

"Horo was trolling/teasing/making Lawrence struggle this whole time" - WRONG. She tried several times to reconcile with him along the way, but Lawrence was paranoid and untrusting. She even says angrily at the end, "You just couldn't let go of this business with that kid!" It wasn't a game to her; she was sincerely trying to make up with him.

"What unforgivable thing did Amarti say?" - Unconfirmed in the books. It would be cute for her to be defensive of a bad comment about Lawrence, but personally, I imagine it was something more like "OMG, you have a tail! Don't worry about it, after this I'll have a doctor cut it off for you..."

"About another 6 months to Yoitsu/1 season of show left" - Well, we just covered book 3 out of 12 just fyi. The anime is skipping book 4, in which they feel more bitter than sweet about the journey ending so soon. Long story short, in book 5/next anime arc, they'll be sidetracking away from Yoitsu to extend their time together :)

Also "will you be gentle"/"be as fiery as that doll, I won't mind" = HHNNNNNGGG
 
Aug 13, 2009 4:04 PM
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noteDhero said:
Second most anticlimactic ending to an arc I've seen all year.
They basically said that the majority of the past 3 or so episodes were worthless.
Bad.


I'm not convinced that Horo was plotting everything all along--it could have just been a cover-up on her part at the end. She could have been genuinely hurt during their last confrontation, and wondering to herself if it was worth staying with Lawrence. After seeing what Amarty was (perhaps he badmouthed wolves or something), and seeing how Lawrence dealt with his feeling (and perhaps she her own), she decided to go back to him. Being Horo, of course, she would not do this without making the most of the situation, so she executed a scheme to make a fool of Amarty, assert her own independence from Lawrence, and make a good bit of cash. In this context, the arc is not completely overblown, but Horo maintains her position as a manipulator of the mortals. (note that she was not able to completely manipulate Deanna the bird goddess.)
 
 
Aug 13, 2009 4:44 PM

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It was really about Lawrence deciding how valuable Horo is to him, that she's not some random coincidence along the way (like Mark said), and for both of them to stop using Yoitsu so much as a cover for truly wanting to be together. So ending it with that reconciliation is just as well.



This. People who say that the other episodes of this arc had no meaning don't get the point of the events at all. How you could call them meaningless considering the amoung of character development we got is beyond me...
 
Aug 13, 2009 4:46 PM
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israfel070 said:
It was really about Lawrence deciding how valuable Horo is to him, that she's not some random coincidence along the way (like Mark said), and for both of them to stop using Yoitsu so much as a cover for truly wanting to be together. So ending it with that reconciliation is just as well.



This. People who say that the other episodes of this arc had no meaning don't get the point of the events at all. How you could call them meaningless considering the amoung of character development we got is beyond me...


Here here. w00t for actual story and not just fan service ;)
 
Aug 13, 2009 4:54 PM

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I thought so, I mean she's Horo the wise something like that didn't suit her. All we were given was that baka Lawrence point of view almost made me hate one of my favorite female character!
 
Aug 13, 2009 5:28 PM

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So I pretty much had a giant grin on during the entire second half of the episode. So much love for the end of this arc. :D


Same, I was like "lol happy face :D" when they were together in the room, this story shines when both of them are teasing each other like that. Their relationship is the key point of the whole anime.

Amarty should have a list of haters more than a list of lovers (aka favorites).
 
 
Aug 13, 2009 5:31 PM

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Yay, they're together again.



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Aug 13, 2009 5:44 PM

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As expected, Horo made the deciding vote with her pyrite. I have to admit, I was pissed at how it concluded so fast. All they did was a quick summary of Lawrence giving Amarti the bag and that was it. I was expecting more of a confrontation between the two party's similar to how this whole arc started.

O well, at least Horo knows Lawrence's feelings now.

PS. wtf was up with Mazui's encoding this time? Media player classic got all messed up at two parts in the episode. I had to pull out VLC to watch it.
 
Aug 13, 2009 5:59 PM

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yes! I am so fucking happy Armati got stuck, not by just Lawrence, but Horo too! Loved the look on his face when Horo dumped all the pyrite on the trader's desk. !!!!!!!

Geeze and I love how much of a tease she is now, after hearing Lawrence's "question" about Gods and Humans....

Glad she is back and we are moving along, I was about to start punching babies if I was forced another week without Horo.
 
Aug 13, 2009 8:36 PM
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And so it finally ends. Good conclusion, even though it took a while to get there. Nice to see the show return to form after all the drama ^^

It was satisfying seeing Amarty get his come-upens. "That's what you get for trying to steal someone else's woman." Haha. Damn right. Maybe now he'll learn to pick his battles better ;)
 
Aug 13, 2009 9:22 PM
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Wonderful end to the first arc of this season. I really liked how it took something so simple and turned into a very complex piece of drama... but it's nice to see Holo with Lawrence again and being her playful/flirty/tease self.
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Aug 13, 2009 10:59 PM

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Finally, the problem has been solved, yay!
 
Aug 14, 2009 12:04 AM
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I knew Horo would get back with Lawrence eventually but just not in this manner. Great episode, it turns out Horo was just putting on an act all along, stupid Lawrence. Well at least we get less Amarty and more Horo from here on.

P.S. Be gentle Lawrence :>
 
Aug 14, 2009 1:29 AM

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The fanboy side of me is saying its awesome they are back together, so that makes it a great episode. Yet the logical side of me is saying that it was a downright fucking retarded conclusion that was flat out anticlimactic. I feel as though I just wasted my time watching the drama being built up from the previous episodes. The ending gives you a nice warm feeling, but story wise it was just stale.

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PS. wtf was up with Mazui's encoding this time? Media player classic got all messed up at two parts in the episode. I had to pull out VLC to watch it.
It was just the opposite for me, I was having problems with previous releases and this one ran just fine.
 
Aug 14, 2009 1:54 AM

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noteDhero said:
Second most anticlimactic ending to an arc I've seen all year.
They basically said that the majority of the past 3 or so episodes were worthless.
Bad.


I'm not convinced that Horo was plotting everything all along--it could have just been a cover-up on her part at the end. She could have been genuinely hurt during their last confrontation, and wondering to herself if it was worth staying with Lawrence.

I STRONGLY doubt this is true. Because, you know, she's too much in love already. The episode 0 was enough to picture how much and deep her feelings for Lawrence are. And as an absolutely normal person she of course wants a proof her feelings are not entirely unrequited. So, basically, the wise and impatient
wolf plotted everything including the conforntation from the very begninng, beacuse she does realise how dense and slow Lawrense is. This is just so natural for her character. At least, that's how I pictured her based on season 1. Maybe I'm totally wrong ^^

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This. People who say that the other episodes of this arc had no meaning don't get the point of the events at all. How you could call them meaningless considering the amoung of character development we got is beyond me...

What char development are you talking about? Lawrence realising his true feelings for Holo? Well, sorry but this single 'development' could have been done much better. And I think this is the actual reason why people complain - the direction of the arc was extremely poor. I guess most are dissatisfied with the arc dramatising so much and that long and then just bringing a brief 5-minute outcome. The balance is just so wrong. Besides, previous episodes did actually lack the new information a lot, they just put too many pauses with each chracaters staring at something/someone. Or inserted totally topic-unrelated and long dialogs. Boring. Bad direction is bad direction.
 
Aug 14, 2009 1:54 AM
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How the hell can a show about trading be so engaging? How does rising pyrite prices leave me on the edge of my seat?

Spice and Wolf remains as awesome as ever.
 
 
Aug 14, 2009 4:32 AM

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FUCKIN ORGASMIC
 
Aug 14, 2009 4:39 AM

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This was really awesome, but is not actually good enough ending. They were put to much stuff on it and thrown some of detail away also too quick with the conclusion in the end.

Anyway could say that this Spice and Wolf make the boring stuff like trading business, setting on journey in attractive way

ps. watch the whole 20 minutes pass by as 5 minutes >.< i watch it twice today and don't get bore of it XP (time to wait for a whole week again)
 
Aug 14, 2009 4:51 AM

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Well that got resolved quite quickly, not that I'm complaining. The Wise Wolf Horo <3
 
Aug 14, 2009 5:17 AM

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So that kid likes Horo too? Never would have guessed...I think.

"This is your pusnishment for trying to steal someone else's woman." HAH. Take that, you little shit.
 
Aug 14, 2009 7:20 AM
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Mikiyo said:
Falatorx said:
I think we're just as in the dark about what Amarty told Horo as Lawrence is. I don't imagine it is the "i love you thing" as he probably did feel that way. More than likely it was something bad about Lawrence and chances are Horo will eventually tell us before the series is done.

This. Totally ridiculous if it was the "I love you" from Amarty to Horo. Im pretty sure it was some bad thing about Lawrence.
I also have to agree with this.


Lawrence had strongly implied that "three times" Holo had "wept in his arms."

Amarty probably said something like, "I know Lawrence has violated your maidenhood three times, but I'm so generous I'm willing to marry a girl who *isn't* a virgin..."

And yeah, that is the kind of patriarchal comment that would anger Holo twice.
1) She is angry at Lawrence for not moving faster;
2) She is angry at Amarty for feeling generous and condescending.
 
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rabbitpoets said:
But I kinda feel disappointed, because the way Horo explained it made it seem like a lot of the drama over the last couple episodes was unnecessary.
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Just loved...
Like the other episodes. **
And yes, when we are in love, we did unnecessary things. :s
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"What unforgivable thing did Amarti say?" - Unconfirmed in the books. It would be cute for her to be defensive of a bad comment about Lawrence, but personally, I imagine it was something more like "OMG, you have a tail! Don't worry about it, after this I'll have a doctor cut it off for you..."
wtf LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Most importantly perhaps, by casting the deciding stone herself, horo demonstrated that she actually wanted to stay with him instead of him winning and her being forced to by her debt.
nice say
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Aug 14, 2009 2:03 PM

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Wow, Horo pwned everyone! I'm so happy she was just putting on a play! <3
 
Aug 14, 2009 2:38 PM

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Also maybe Amarti said "Can I put it in your butt?" >.> unforgivable.


You sir, win.
 
 
Aug 14, 2009 6:22 PM

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Horo is such a tease..

hooray for happy arc endings.

i remember seeing the tension in this arc somewhere before. great that Lawrence was able to keep much of his cool this time around.
 
Aug 14, 2009 8:03 PM

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Sometime this show gives me too much of a dramatic feeling, but in the end it's worth it. I was not sure how the fuck Horo got that much pyrite? Then she was all hanging on Lawrence. WTF. I am an angry man, but in the end it was cute.
 
Aug 14, 2009 8:24 PM

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I was not sure how the fuck Horo got that much pyrite?


watch it again... wasn't that the pivotal key to the whole episode?

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Aug 14, 2009 8:27 PM
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I'm glad that the arc is over, but I felt it was really anti-climactic. I don't know; I just thought that all of that build up would have led to something more. I would have liked to see Amarti's humiliation first hand, rather than in a flashback. Oh well.
 
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saxophone said:
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I think we're just as in the dark about what Amarty told Horo as Lawrence is. I don't imagine it is the "i love you thing" as he probably did feel that way. More than likely it was something bad about Lawrence and chances are Horo will eventually tell us before the series is done.

This. Totally ridiculous if it was the "I love you" from Amarty to Horo. Im pretty sure it was some bad thing about Lawrence.
I also have to agree with this.


Lawrence had strongly implied that "three times" Holo had "wept in his arms."

Amarty probably said something like, "I know Lawrence has violated your maidenhood three times, but I'm so generous I'm willing to marry a girl who *isn't* a virgin..."

And yeah, that is the kind of patriarchal comment that would anger Holo twice.
1) She is angry at Lawrence for not moving faster;
2) She is angry at Amarty for feeling generous and condescending.


I think it might have been something even more simpler then that. After all Holo does get angry over small things. Amarty could have made a comment about how she dresses, smells (ie. you smell like a dog when she's really a wolf), or possibly even made fun of Lawrence.

Regardless I think it's pointless to ponder over minor details like that.
 
 
Aug 14, 2009 9:06 PM

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I don't know why I laughed so hard reading your post Deathfire...but I did. Holo is quite petty.
 
Aug 14, 2009 9:08 PM

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Ahhh it all went well ^^, glad Horo and Lawrence and fine with each other although the last few minutes were going in a slightly different direction than economics =P but the revelation of Deanna surprised me, although it should have been obvious. Good episode overall.
 
Aug 14, 2009 10:26 PM

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And the problem is finally resolved. Lovely Horo returns and the show gets better the second half when she comes back. I was surprised to find out that Deanna wasn't human. Never crossed my mind, now that I think about it shouldn't be that surprising. Oh well. Good episode. <3
 
Aug 14, 2009 11:54 PM
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I want to see Deanna's true form now. I remembered wondering why she had all those damn feathers everywhere, and it turned out they'd actually explain why.

This was an AMAZING episode. It's just great how they can take the simple everyday life of trading in the old times and make it entertaining. Just goes to show that it's not necessarily the subject that determines whether a show is interesting, but its construction. S&W is awesome.

I was also strongly hoping that they would do it at the end of this ep. Guess I'll have to wait, but they'd better hop on it before the end of the season. I wanna see little Horences!
 
Aug 15, 2009 12:06 AM

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Gahhhh, it was all an act!! I should've known, Horo's too smart to fall for a schmuck like that.


 
Aug 15, 2009 12:16 AM

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The little kid saying he loved Horo was unexpected...
 
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Reyno said:
I wanna see little Horences!


lolz lmao, but i wanna see it too :))
 
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