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May 15, 2011 1:21 PM

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Wow, I feel sorry for Ross. And what was up with Armstrong? Lol.
Jun 24, 2011 10:12 AM

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Finally a REAL GOOD episode from this anime..I didn't want to sleep watching haha

Amazing Mustang :D
Jul 3, 2011 7:34 AM

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I wonder what Col. Mustang has in mind. I really doubt he'll just burn Ross like this, he's not such a man after the war. And dating out women? Now that's unlike him.
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Aug 3, 2011 3:05 PM
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Wow, wow, now this was an episode full of unexpected stuff. But I have my doubts as to whether or not Maria Ross is dead. I think he could be cold enough to exact merciless revenge like that but he's more than enough intelligent to figure she was being framed. Plus, he seemed totally ok with people hating on him... Like it was his plan all along. Not that I know how he's playing. I'm really curious to find that out. Also, his call to "Elizabeth"... I'm pretty sure it was something important and whatever was being said, was being said in code. I'm eager to see how all this develops.
Oct 30, 2011 3:34 AM

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Let me guess, it's part of the flame guy's plan. Ross isn't dead and that was a fake body (I mean how obvious can you get, charcoal her and have a forensic examine her later; even a 5 year old could see it as a hint).

I don't know what this anime is trying to be, serious? Yeah right. Comedic? It's not really so. Don't want to sound like a douche bag but it isn't all I hope it to be. I'll still finish it because I finish things I've started. Seriously though, remove the 'blood' and you're left with is something on the level of Pokemon.

Maybe if the 'bad guy' wasn't the brother's father I could have tried to take it a bit more seriously.

This anime sucks, it better make some sense later on.
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Oct 30, 2011 3:38 AM

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Yanoflies said:
Maybe if the 'bad guy' wasn't the brother's father I could have tried to take it a bit more seriously.

Trust me, he isn't.

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Feb 4, 2012 5:33 PM

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Good but as perfect as I wanted it to be. Seriously, the poor timing of when Ross's death (Ive read the manga) but still could have made a more serious scene but then they go ahead and straight afterwards include these comedy scenes.

Ill timing and just awful at times.
Modified by Zelnaga, Feb 4, 2012 5:41 PM
Jun 21, 2012 4:00 PM

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I hate to say it, but this felt somewhat lacking compared to the manga.
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Oct 12, 2012 8:16 AM

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Damn that was quite fucked up Ross was quite great it's sad and quite stupid she got killed by Roy, really damn... quite fucked up but still great episode! That ending seemed quite interesting as well!
Oct 30, 2012 3:24 PM

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what the fuck she get's killed by Roy?

god damn it he didn't even confirm if she killed him or not.

fuck you Envy.

it's so stupid of Roy of killing Ross just like that.

seriously i wonder if the middle of the anime he'll meet Envy and he will tell what really happen.

let's see how you can recover from that.

Barry and Ling scenes are great :)

wow Ed's eyes are freaking serious.

man Armstrong is very VERY VERY pissed about this

so i guess when Roy suggested Armstrong to go to Eastern Headquarters, it's a subtle telling them to go there if they want to look for clues.

and wow Riza leaving just like that. she must be REALLY angry at him.

ahaha the subordinate are piss for that bastard Roy acting like nothing happened.

damn the manga is really REALLY different after the Greed Arc.

cannot wait for the next one :)
Modified by SomaHeir, Oct 30, 2012 4:57 PM
Jan 15, 2013 11:45 AM

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I know she didn't get killed it was an obvious setup since Roy was working with the others that helped her escape
Mar 27, 2013 4:28 PM

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Mar 27, 2013 4:29 PM

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Apr 19, 2013 9:31 PM

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Wept in despair when

But towards the end, I sorta doubt it. Dammit Roy!
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Jun 25, 2013 7:11 AM

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Don't understand why people like Mustang... -.-
Aug 11, 2013 1:50 PM

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I guess Mustang just really wants to be the next king, and so will only do what will make his reputation as a soldier better.

That ending- so maybe Barry in the armor is actually just an armor given life (which he accused Al of), and the real Barry was the one locked up.

Aug 29, 2013 11:48 PM

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I think they're pretty clear in this, that the soul and body are different things, and that the persona is essentially identical with the soul. Thus Alphonse really is the empty suit of armour. The biological processes that go on in the body essentially keep the meat machine going, while the soul sits in the driver's seat.
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Sep 28, 2013 6:57 AM
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I wonder what Roy Mustang is planning..
Oct 15, 2013 3:12 AM
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Well played Colonel Mustang. I bet Maria Ross is alive somewhere and you're playing your subordinates so that it will all seem more realistic.
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Oct 18, 2013 12:58 PM

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Im looking forward in seeing what will happen to ling
Nov 21, 2013 5:59 PM

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omg maria is dead . lol?
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Dec 20, 2013 8:35 PM

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Loved this episode. I want to punch Roy in his freaking smug face so much xD
Dec 23, 2013 1:47 AM

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I don't believe that Ross is dead.. the moment I saw the burnt body wearing her bracelet-like dog tags I knew that the body was fake...Mustang must've helped the real Ross escape.. We all know Mustang with his tricks and rackets. And also the fact that Barry, which is under the watch of Mustang's men, helped her escape the jail is pretty much a great evidence.

wtf two Barry the Chopper?? hmmmm..
Mar 18, 2014 2:51 PM

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Oh man Mustang, nice knowing you Ross

I am starting to like the armor Barry :) Something is going down soon!
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May 3, 2014 9:26 PM

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I can't help but hope that the colonel has a hidden righteous plan and the only way to do it was by killing Maria. Surely he isn't dumb enough to actually believe the military, he's been against them this whole time afterall. Seeing her charred body was kinda disturbing.

I'm really interested in seeing whose side Armstrong is on. He seems to be a military dog at the moment but he's suspicious over the whole lot.
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Jun 9, 2014 2:45 AM

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I don't think Roy really killed her, at least I hope not. Burning her body so she couldn't be easily identified, convenient. Then he could have just intentionally put stuff that would prove the bbq is her and voila, you have a dead Ross.
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Jul 5, 2014 9:54 PM
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intense episode i have no idea what to expect next roy killing ross was crazy but understandable, but what is going on with barry
Sep 23, 2014 4:17 PM

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That was a smart move from Mustang.
Sep 24, 2014 9:18 AM

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Things start to get interesting.
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Dec 24, 2014 11:03 AM

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RIP Ross, even though i didn't like her :p
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Dec 27, 2014 9:18 PM

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Very good episode. Things are going down and peoplea re dying. It was really interesting to see how dark Mustang can be, straight out killing Ross without thinking about it or anything. Kinda scary.
Dec 29, 2014 5:17 PM
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I was like: Dude......the fuck?!?! Did he really just kill her like that :O Now way.....just no way. I am sure that Mustang planned something. He let Ross go. Maybe he transmuted a dead body or something and burned it. That way, it will be hard to identify or some shit.
Barry the Choppah is now cool :D
Jan 13, 2015 7:26 PM

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lol Roy burned dat bitch. xD Too bad she is innocent.
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Feb 23, 2015 12:38 PM
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Daamn, what a bastard.
Mar 18, 2015 10:28 AM

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cyruz said:
Oosran said:
well there Are people who read forum posts before watching episodes, and wouldn't it be sad for them to read what happens before they see actually get to see it?
That is just stupid. How can you go into an episode discussion thread and expect not to get spoiled on what happens in the episode the discussion is about?

What I was referring to is what happens from this point on, how this whole thing is going to turn out which some of the posters obviously know already (fuck knows from where, the first season or the manga - it doesn't matter) but don't bother to put in spoiler tags because they don't realize they're already spoiling the watchers who have some brains and can guess a part of the outcome from their own possible doubts and the silly posts in this topic. Ah well, it's the anime community so there's nothing else to expect.

This is what I thought. I thought it would be nice to see what other people thought about the episode and see some speculation but all I got was either rephrasing of what happened or spoilers from people that obviously know what has happened because they already knew the whole story. Sad, this was much better whe I watched things like Monster. : / I probably have to avoid this forum now until I finish the series.
Apr 18, 2015 4:08 AM

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I kinda doubt that Mustang really killed Ross, that would be too much of a dick move even for him.
May 12, 2015 10:21 AM

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I'm pretty sure Ross isn't dead... they could have atleast given us some room for doubt =/
May 21, 2015 9:52 PM

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Poor Ross. I thought Barry and Ed would help testify for her, but it seems otherwise.
The ending was pretty ironic though. Barry once tried to brainwash Al that he may have been an artificially created soul with implanted memories, and if the Barry we know ISN'T the real Barry, then his words played at him.
Jul 17, 2015 6:13 AM

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i think mustang didn't kill her, he doesn't look that kind of guy, he must've had a plan
Jul 20, 2015 3:28 PM

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Noooo!!!! I can't believe that Ross had died!!! :,((
Jul 22, 2015 7:41 PM

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Damn, poor Ross. I kind of expected Ed and Al to testify for her or something though. And Mustang has everyone out of the way? For what? Barry is such a good character, I love him. Real Barry is coming now?
Jul 28, 2015 7:27 AM
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It's kinda obvious that he didn't kill her, lol
Aug 23, 2015 5:14 PM

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I adore Barry! :D

I love how Mustang put on the whole act
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Dec 10, 2015 9:50 AM

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Roy is a calculating guy...Rose is definitely not dead yet. I hope so, because I don't want to see Roy getting hated by his friends for doing the hard thing.
Dec 18, 2015 7:06 AM

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Twist in the narrative that presents many contradictions, however, apparently not tutt'oro that glitters. Not bad gags seen throughout the story, even Armstrong loses the opportunity to make one of his, drawings and animations good.
Jan 12, 2016 9:05 PM

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I kinda doubt that Mustang really killed Ross, that would be too much of a dick move even for him.
Yeah, i'm guessing he did something like create a copy of her body so that people thought she was dead, then let her hide somewhere.
Sep 25, 2016 11:33 AM

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Wow I did not expect her to get killed...I mean, I understand Mustang's pain really, but it's obvious that something fishy is going on with the military so it was ridiculous to take everything at face value like that. I get that he just wants some direction for his anger and revenge, but still...Ross was so nice as well :'(
Poor woman did nothing wrong and I hope Mustang feels like shit for what he did later on!!

On a positive note, I seem to have a soft spot for Barry the Chopper even tho I prolly shouldn't. Unless he's not the REAL Barry and is actually the very "puppet" he accused Al of being.
Oh and Ling is adorkable too.
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Nov 23, 2016 9:03 PM

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Mustang acting like a dick in this episode
but I think he's up to something. He's way smarter than that, must have sensed that she was being set up
Nov 24, 2016 3:20 AM

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What a plot twist!!!!
Jun 17, 2017 11:40 AM

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It had to be a fake body, I just dont see Mustang killing one of his subordinates, especially not just because "it's an order".
I guess Mustang found out about something big going on inside the military and it would seem the homonculi are none the wiser. (yet)
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