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Jul 19, 2009 1:28 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Starts with them arriving to Central. :3
Barry chess scene intact :3
Havoc's "I Have got a girlfriend!~~" intact :3
And Ling gets into a prison :3
And they removed one of the most emotional manga scenes - The Newspaper......not good, not good....
Mustang's scene intact :3
Envy scene intact :3
Mustang WC scene intact :3
So instead a newspaper Maria Ross tells them about Hughes -____-.... ... ... ... NOT HAPPY WITH THIS....NOT HAPPY....
Winry meeting with Gracia went almost exactly as manga, thankfully.
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Although they replaced a certain scene with voice-only -___- ...
EdWin moment intact :3
Maria Ross scene intact :3
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Thankfully the "WHAT A TWIST" ending is intact.

3/5 for the fact that they ruined "Apple Pie" scene, "Newspaper" scene and they will ruin one of the most important moments by revealing them in the same episode(hopefully they wont.) -_-
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Jul 19, 2009 1:48 AM
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The pace has slowed down finally - at least compared to the first "season."

To me, the aftermath of the Hughes death arc is even sadder than his actual death. His poor daughter. ;___; Even the eyecatch was sad.

Poor Maria. The homunculus can be such jerks. Poor Havoc, too. D:

Illegal immigrant!Ling ftw. Also, Fuu and R/Lan Fan are epic.

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Jul 19, 2009 1:55 PM
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Overall this was an okay episode nothing more nothing less. I liked the edxwinry moments and the homuncolus chat other than that nothing special. I was also disepointed about the that they removed the newspaper scene: ( But i really look forward for the next episode!
 
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Jul 19, 2009 2:08 PM

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Bit slowpaced ep. But woah at the preview.
 
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Fai said:

And they removed one of the most emotional manga scenes - The Newspaper......not good, not good....

So instead a newspaper Maria Ross tells them about Hughes -____-.... ... ... ... NOT HAPPY WITH THIS....NOT HAPPY....


What? I almost don't want to watch it now... Why did they change it? :(
 
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Jul 19, 2009 3:07 PM
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Gin-iro said:
Fai said:

And they removed one of the most emotional manga scenes - The Newspaper......not good, not good....

So instead a newspaper Maria Ross tells them about Hughes -____-.... ... ... ... NOT HAPPY WITH THIS....NOT HAPPY....


What? I almost don't want to watch it now... Why did they change it? :(


So they could get the Hughes drama out of the way for the next few episodes, which makes for better pacing. The episode, despite what Fai thinks, manages to do the Hughes fallout pretty well.
 
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Jul 19, 2009 3:33 PM

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So they could get the Hughes drama out of the way for the next few episodes, which makes for better pacing. The episode, despite what Fai thinks, manages to do the Hughes fallout pretty well.


While I COULD agree that Ross worked similarly as newspaper, the scene where Ed runs through the streets emoing was over-exaggerated. Its something I would expect in FMA1 and not in FMA:B...
 
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Jul 19, 2009 4:03 PM

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Finally saw it.

The removal of the newspaper was...well, in my honest opinion, a bad idea. It was much more emotional than simply Ross telling the brothers and having Ed run off like that, plus this changes the order of events. Annoying, but I can live with it; it was a very nice episode other than that.

Anyone else like the part with Ed and Al running past the telephone booth where Hughes was murdered? I thought it was a nice touch, but that's just me. *Shrug* (Can't remember if it was in the manga or not, but either way, I liked that scene lol.)

And yay, one of my favorite Ling moments was left in there. Poor guy, his little act didn't work quite as he expected, did it?
 
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Jul 19, 2009 5:05 PM

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This episode was trying so hard to be emotional, in which it wasn't really that emotional.
 
Jul 19, 2009 5:52 PM

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wow watching hudges death was sad , but this was sadder,
-i got a girlfriend
-dont you tink cutting her would be fun? LOL
i would have liked to see winly and ed get "closer", but i supose this isnt this kind of anime (sigh)
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Jul 19, 2009 5:55 PM

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I think the manga portion was a tad bit more emotional, but good epi, hopefully they will keep everything intact like they've been doing so far.

 
Jul 19, 2009 6:38 PM

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This episode was trying so hard to be emotional, in which it wasn't really that emotional.


True. In addition, because Brotherhood didn't do as well a job in showcasing Hughes' character in the early episodes as much, the effect was lost even more so. Regardless, decent episode I suppose. Liked the way they ended the episode though with Ross and Lust.
 
Jul 19, 2009 6:43 PM

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I haven't read the manga so I can't compare this "newspaper scene" that people keep mentioning, but overall, I thought it was a solid episode, though not amazing. I think the most emotional part for me was Ed and Al listening to Eliza's attempts to comfort her mother through the door ;_;

Ross revealing Hughes' death to the Elric bros. worked well enough for me, though. Didn't have a huge emotional impact, but I could feel the gears working in Ed and Al's brains, as it slowly dawns on them that Hughes is dead and not "away in the country". Them running past the phone booth Hughes was murdered in was a nice touch, too, as Possk mentioned ^^ I suppose having Ross in that role also helped remind everyone that she exists (after not seeing her for a few weeks), so the scene where she's suspected in Hughes' case doesn't seem so random.

And nice ending twist! Poor Havoc can't catch a break xD
 
Jul 19, 2009 7:31 PM

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While yes there were a few differences in this episode I can't expect Bones to animate the series per manga 100%, 99.9% is fine with me :P Still content with the series direction so far. Selectively "replacing" items makes it a little fresher without deviating completely from the story intent.

Good episode, I thought it was emotional and done well personally. Ed x Winry scene was great.
 
Jul 19, 2009 7:51 PM

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Winry wanted Hughes to try her applie pie.

Oh yeah.


 
Jul 19, 2009 8:59 PM

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hmm Ling being an illegal immigrant FTW

well things are certainly getting interesting now
 
Jul 19, 2009 8:59 PM

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Winry wanted Hughes to try her applie pie.

Oh yeah.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

But seriously, a whole episode about the aftermath of Hughes' death a whole bunch of episodes after said death? Weird...and honestly, a little too drawn out. But thankfully there were moments in the episode about the Homonculi's hold over Central.
 
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WHY DID THE HOMUNCULUS KILL HUGHES!!! THOSE BASTARDS!!!

lol at the illigal immigrant scene


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Jul 19, 2009 10:12 PM
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A slower paced episode was needed imo... since it has been mostly fast paced action for a few episodes. Plus, there was loads of information for people just watching this season alone. Overall very nice episode and I thoroughly enjoyed the pacing.
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Jul 19, 2009 10:14 PM

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JusticeGundam said:
Winry wanted Hughes to try her applie pie.

Oh yeah.

Ed should have comforted her by saying he'd try her apple pie instead.

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Jul 19, 2009 11:07 PM

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People should have seen this coming though (seeing people annoyed about Hughes death being brought up again). I think it adds a lot of emotions and development to the characters. Hughes impacted them greatly. I thought it was a well done episode, looking forward to seeing more about the new characters though since i know nothing about them :/.

Oh and still loving the new op.
 
Jul 19, 2009 11:15 PM

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The next episode's preview seems promising. Emotional episodes in this series don't really have great effects due to the pacing and lack of depth for some characters such as Hughes. The first show had better emotional parts but it's interesting to watch a new story (manga version). I haven't read the manga and this all looks new to me.


 
Jul 19, 2009 11:20 PM

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I cried again. :(
 
Jul 20, 2009 2:44 AM

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This episode was sadder than the day of the funeral ;/
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Jul 20, 2009 3:07 AM

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FMA:B epi 16: Drama done right.

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Jul 20, 2009 3:36 AM

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People should have seen this coming though (seeing people annoyed about Hughes death being brought up again). I think it adds a lot of emotions and development to the characters. Hughes impacted them greatly. I thought it was a well done episode, looking forward to seeing more about the new characters though since i know nothing about them :/.


Not to mention that its perfectly realistic.

In real life various related people find out about deaths and funerals at different times. While the world and most of people might have already began to forget the event , to those who found out just recently its still a fresh and horrible thing It does not matter on just how much time has passed since the event itself - it will still have the same impact to those who just found out.

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FMA:B epi 16: Drama done right.


QFT, (minus the exaggerated Ed running down the street scene)
 
Jul 20, 2009 4:02 AM

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Fai said:
velcom said:
People should have seen this coming though (seeing people annoyed about Hughes death being brought up again). I think it adds a lot of emotions and development to the characters. Hughes impacted them greatly. I thought it was a well done episode, looking forward to seeing more about the new characters though since i know nothing about them :/.


Not to mention that its perfectly realistic.

In real life various related people find out about deaths and funerals at different times. While the world and most of people might have already began to forget the event , to those who found out just recently its still a fresh and horrible thing It does not matter on just how much time has passed since the event itself - it will still have the same impact to those who just found out.


very well said.
 
Jul 20, 2009 4:54 AM

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such a sad episode .... illegal immigrant xD hahas~


 
Jul 20, 2009 7:24 AM

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This was a great episode. I don't really remember the newspaper scene too well, but I thought that Ross telling them was ok.

I'm gonna feel sorry for Havoc in the next coming episodes


 
Jul 20, 2009 7:26 AM

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Sad episode is sad. ;( As I didn't read the manga, I can't compare, but it was very emotion and touching for me. They did it well. Hughes... nng. ;;


 
Jul 20, 2009 7:32 AM

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whoa wat a turn of events , god im addicted all over again

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Jul 20, 2009 7:57 AM

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I love that Havoc got some time in this episode, but that he's 'dating' Lust. Bah! x.x
The next episode is gonna be awesome.
Elicia's face when she found Winry at the door was sooooo cute!
 
Jul 20, 2009 8:08 AM

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anyone know what musical score was playing when ed,al,winry were walking down the street after finding out of death?

Was a really good piece of music and fit right in with anime
 
Jul 20, 2009 8:31 AM

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I wasn't probably in the right mood since I didn't find this episode too sad and I felt like they were trying too hard for it to be emotional.
 
Jul 20, 2009 8:35 AM
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Fantastic episode, great developments, and probably one of the best of the series for now. Strange how the latter episode was weak and almost out of place and the new environment - the brothers' coming to Central - immediately made the script better. Next episode will be great also, waitin' for it.

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Jul 20, 2009 8:42 AM

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it was sad, all i can say.. =l
 
Jul 20, 2009 9:03 AM

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Hahaha, illegal entry of Ling. Poor Jean. Bad luck with women.

Slow and sad episode. Probably the slowest pace compare to previous episodes. Looking forward to the next episode. Much emo and angsty one. More Mustang Roy please.
 
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well.. I could atleast say the new op is still not as good as the first : p
and well, not much to say..really xD it's good and all, so no complaints I guess : p
oh right there might be something to say, how come.. pretty much ALL main characters, in pretty much EVERY anime out there, have some kind of self-sacrificing second nature? example, Ed thinks it'd be better if he goes and talks to Gracia himself instead of having Al face them too, and then I could go on with examples from other animes as well, but I won't do that just now : p
aand the old ed was better too : )
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Jul 20, 2009 9:44 AM

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i cried again too.. :'(
the wounds came back.. that's how i felt.

haven't read the manga either, so the scenes were pretty well done for me.
btw, how far into the manga are they? like, what chapter are they on?

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that image of yours.. I still think Ling looks like the older version of Touma from 'Fantastic Children'. just nutty. :P
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@Kundalini: the most recent chapter is 97.

The only thing that I liked was the Ling-sneakentry... Nothing else really. Guess I'm not into an emotional day today.
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Jul 20, 2009 11:27 AM

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This episode was sadder than the day of the funeral ;/
Exactly my thoughts. The episode when he got killed plus the funeral wasn't as sad as this episode at all.

I literally felt my heart break into two. I thought the scene when Ed overheard Gracia crying and then seeing Ed, Al and Winry walk with that intensely emotional music score playing in the background was beautiful. Beautifully heartwrenching!! :(

Overall, I like how everything is turning out. :3
 
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Hool said:
This episode was sadder than the day of the funeral ;/
Exactly my thoughts. The episode when he got killed plus the funeral wasn't as sad as this episode at all.

I literally felt my heart break into two. I thought the scene when Ed overheard Gracia crying and then seeing Ed, Al and Winry walk with that intensely emotional music score playing in the background was beautiful. Beautifully heartwrenching!! :(

Overall, I like how everything is turning out. :3


Oh yeah btw, the music there was pretty good : 3
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I gave it a 3/5 purely due to the slower pace, it was good but there was not much there, except for the preview, which makes it look like the next episode is going to be swell.
 
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The slow pace was ok, but it kinda turned out that they're barely just moving along.

Aww, I wanted to see where they're on the train and they compare the height of Ling and Ed, but oh well.

It seems like this series is going really fast.
 
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Sami092 said:
I gave it a 3/5 purely due to the slower pace, it was good but there was not much there, except for the preview, which makes it look like the next episode is going to be swell.

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The slow pace was ok, but it kinda turned out that they're barely just moving along.

Aww, I wanted to see where they're on the train and they compare the height of Ling and Ed, but oh well.

It seems like this series is going really fast.

Fast, slow, fast, slow, fast, slow.

I wonder if there will ever be a moment when people will start giving a substantial review or comment about a FMA:B episode without mentioning about the pace.

I wonder...
 
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robbydesu said:
Sami092 said:
I gave it a 3/5 purely due to the slower pace, it was good but there was not much there, except for the preview, which makes it look like the next episode is going to be swell.

BlackWings said:
The slow pace was ok, but it kinda turned out that they're barely just moving along.

Aww, I wanted to see where they're on the train and they compare the height of Ling and Ed, but oh well.

It seems like this series is going really fast.

Fast, slow, fast, slow, fast, slow.

I wonder if there will ever be a moment when people will start giving a substantial review or comment about a FMA:B episode without mentioning about the pace.

I wonder...
tch, slow or fast, who cares ? : D
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Oosran said:
robbydesu said:
Sami092 said:
I gave it a 3/5 purely due to the slower pace, it was good but there was not much there, except for the preview, which makes it look like the next episode is going to be swell.

BlackWings said:
The slow pace was ok, but it kinda turned out that they're barely just moving along.

Aww, I wanted to see where they're on the train and they compare the height of Ling and Ed, but oh well.

It seems like this series is going really fast.

Fast, slow, fast, slow, fast, slow.

I wonder if there will ever be a moment when people will start giving a substantial review or comment about a FMA:B episode without mentioning about the pace.

I wonder...
tch, slow or fast, who cares ? : D
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robbydesu said:
Oosran said:
robbydesu said:
Sami092 said:
I gave it a 3/5 purely due to the slower pace, it was good but there was not much there, except for the preview, which makes it look like the next episode is going to be swell.

BlackWings said:
The slow pace was ok, but it kinda turned out that they're barely just moving along.

Aww, I wanted to see where they're on the train and they compare the height of Ling and Ed, but oh well.

It seems like this series is going really fast.

Fast, slow, fast, slow, fast, slow.

I wonder if there will ever be a moment when people will start giving a substantial review or comment about a FMA:B episode without mentioning about the pace.

I wonder...
tch, slow or fast, who cares ? : D
:D!! *hugs*
oh and btw, I don't think you answered in that other thread wherever it was, how'd your finals go?: p
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Oosran said:
oh and btw, I don't think you answered in that other thread wherever it was, how'd your finals go?: p
I answered :( go check!
 
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robbydesu said:
Oosran said:
oh and btw, I don't think you answered in that other thread wherever it was, how'd your finals go?: p
I answered :( go check!
oh you did? : O in which post was that? xD I seem to have missed it : /
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