Prunchyfraud uses AI to translate in the French sub (apparently, not only French)

@DigitalApe

Japanese is not a simple language at all. Iti s genuinely one of the more complex one, is very context sensitive, has a lot of Kanji with different readings depending on how it is used, has various nuances in first person pronouns that are used, and has a very distinct difference between casual and formal speech. AI has also shown genuine struggles understanding some of these things as shown with the Ablaze Manga translation of the manga "Jinba" which has a lot of grammar errors, characters having their names be butchered by an AI that doesn't understand the kanji it is reading, and just a complete lack of contextual awareness. Context is something that AI does not understand and is fundamentally important to the Japanese language, therefore it will cause a lot of issues if Machine Learning is used to translate instead of allowing a human who has studied for years to manually translate a work using their extensive knowledge of the langauge.

This is fucking horrible. I have previously made a thread about bad AI manga translations on the main anime discussion forum and will repeat my stance: AI should not replace humans in a field like language translation as MTL is fucking horrible quality, prone to mistakes that humans wouldn't make, and often makes a stiffer translation that doesn't flow as naturally. These greedy corporations have the money to actually pay real translators but instead we get this trash. Professional translators are one of the most important jobs when bringing over foreign media to different countries and this community treats them like absolute dogshit and with so many idiots wanting them to "be replaced by AI", here you fucking go. Here's the dogshit quality you get. Happy? Instead of a high-quality translation made by humans who have studied the Japanese language for years, we get a literally unwatchable level of quality made by some machine that can barely understand anything and just regurgitates what has been put into it leading to low quality slop. Generative AI is a cancer on both creative industries and the translation industry and its about time that translators unionize to stop companies from being allowed to do this shit. We also need to not watch this show through official means in order to hurt Crunchyroll and show them that using Generative AI to translate shows is not ok, so pirating the show is probably one of the best things you can do if you want to still watch it.

DON'T SETTLE FOR LOW QUALITY AI SLOP, FIGHT FOR BETTER CONDITIONS FOR TRANSLATORS

@LSSJ_Gaming https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dy6mi6/why_the_official_subs_for_my_deer_friend/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Also, first picture is so obviously not AI. MTL would never claim it made a mistake and that the translation is nonsense, it actually wouldn't even understand that. Or use ??, a type of punctuation error that seems incredibly unlikely in an AI. The errors by MTL would be logical errors and it would have no way to understand that it's translation doesn't make sense.

It's clearly a human note that was made in such a rush that it never got deleted. Lack of proof reading.

@DigitalApe It's very context based, simple for human here actually means difficult for AI. It would much prefer a precise language like german. The issue is, AI is translating from just text. It can't see the image and sometimes what's on screen gives the context. Once an AI doesn't understand that a word with two translations refer to X instead of Y, it will mess it up for the whole translation too.

This isn't MTL though, AI doesn't make those types of mistakes and if you seen an MTL you'd know those screenshots are human made translation rushjobs and unlike the MTL ones.

>localizers go out of jobs
>fansubs are relevant again and can clean the translations
I see it as an absolute win

This is fucking horrible. I have previously made a thread about bad AI manga translations on the main anime discussion forum and will repeat my stance: AI should not replace humans in a field like language translation as MTL is fucking horrible quality, prone to mistakes that humans wouldn't make, and often makes a stiffer translation that doesn't flow as naturally. These greedy corporations have the money to actually pay real translators but instead we get this trash. Professional translators are one of the most important jobs when bringing over foreign media to different countries and this community treats them like absolute dogshit and with so many idiots wanting them to "be replaced by AI", here you fucking go. Here's the dogshit quality you get. Happy? Instead of a high-quality translation made by humans who have studied the Japanese language for years, we get a literally unwatchable level of quality made by some machine that can barely understand anything and just regurgitates what has been put into it leading to low quality slop. Generative AI is a cancer on both creative industries and the translation industry and its about time that translators unionize to stop companies from being allowed to do this shit. We also need to not watch this show through official means in order to hurt Crunchyroll and show them that using Generative AI to translate shows is not ok, so pirating the show is probably one of the best things you can do if you want to still watch it.

DON'T SETTLE FOR LOW QUALITY AI SLOP, FIGHT FOR BETTER CONDITIONS FOR TRANSLATORS

>localizers go out of jobs
>fansubs are relevant again and can clean the translations
I see it as an absolute win

@DigitalApe

Japanese is not a simple language at all. Iti s genuinely one of the more complex one, is very context sensitive, has a lot of Kanji with different readings depending on how it is used, has various nuances in first person pronouns that are used, and has a very distinct difference between casual and formal speech. AI has also shown genuine struggles understanding some of these things as shown with the Ablaze Manga translation of the manga "Jinba" which has a lot of grammar errors, characters having their names be butchered by an AI that doesn't understand the kanji it is reading, and just a complete lack of contextual awareness. Context is something that AI does not understand and is fundamentally important to the Japanese language, therefore it will cause a lot of issues if Machine Learning is used to translate instead of allowing a human who has studied for years to manually translate a work using their extensive knowledge of the langauge.

Just one of the many reasons not to give money to Crunchyroll. They are not interested in making product, but making money.

@Piromysl wow you discovered the world, that's literally every company that exists lol

@LSSJ_Gaming https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dy6mi6/why_the_official_subs_for_my_deer_friend/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Also, first picture is so obviously not AI. MTL would never claim it made a mistake and that the translation is nonsense, it actually wouldn't even understand that. Or use ??, a type of punctuation error that seems incredibly unlikely in an AI. The errors by MTL would be logical errors and it would have no way to understand that it's translation doesn't make sense.

It's clearly a human note that was made in such a rush that it never got deleted. Lack of proof reading.

@DigitalApe It's very context based, simple for human here actually means difficult for AI. It would much prefer a precise language like german. The issue is, AI is translating from just text. It can't see the image and sometimes what's on screen gives the context. Once an AI doesn't understand that a word with two translations refer to X instead of Y, it will mess it up for the whole translation too.

This isn't MTL though, AI doesn't make those types of mistakes and if you seen an MTL you'd know those screenshots are human made translation rushjobs and unlike the MTL ones.

You never know how these things work, licensing is not always the same for every show.
Some anime producers will be very picky about how their anime is released overseas, just look at what happened with NGE.
It's very possible that the anime producers contracted this JP company to translate their show, and then gave that translation to CR.

Ah yes because saying the truth means you are getting paid…

@Merve2Love
«As long as it's doing the job well» ?????????? Did you see the images I linked ? Even if most German are fluent in English, does it mean they can mix two languages in the subtitles??????????

I also did not link screenshots in French, since people might not be able to read, but the translation is HORRIBLE. The sentences in the French translation is nonsense.

Insult me a «d*ck» if you want to, it doesn't alter the fact that their AI is not working and the French and the German communities are sick and tired of everything this company does, such as:

• not paying the translators
  
• informing their subscribers in the last minute that their pricing is increasing
  
• using a dark pattern in the unsubscribe page to make the user to feel culpability if they want to leave
  
• firing a US dub actor because he is a member of a union which goal is to improve the work condition for dub actors (Kyle McCarley)
  
• firing a French dub actress because she did a fan dub of a CSM trailer (Anna Lauzeray-Gishi)
  
• lying by saying they contribute to the anime industry, but actually, they are not often in the production committees
  
• merging with the brand Kaze in Europe to force the manga buyers to order the new book jackets, which is a real ecology issue
  
• etc
  

Shall I continue to list all the bad work from Crunchyroll? Do you need me to link sources?

@LSSJ_Gaming

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@Cielord Nice image. Ironically, we are at a point where a machine can 'understand' the culture better and has more respect for it than so-called professionals (who by all rights should've been fired long ago).

MTL will make honest mistakes due to its imperfections.
Localizers will vandalize a piece of foreign art on purpose.

@Shizuna Worst thing is that purpose is not even from some misplaced thought of wanting to make it better for the watchers, but for political opinions and spite towards the people who consume the product.

@Cielord Nice image. Ironically, we are at a point where a machine can 'understand' the culture better and has more respect for it than so-called professionals (who by all rights should've been fired long ago).

MTL will make honest mistakes due to its imperfections.
Localizers will vandalize a piece of foreign art on purpose.