Key's Mixed Media Project 'Prima Doll' Gets TV Anime for 2022

Boazanian said:
characters definitely look like they'd belong in some gacha, instead of a VN.

And hey, more Key stuff to watch

Fario-P said:
well this is ridiculously insane timing considering @FMmatron and I were JUST talking about KEY needing to make more tearjerkers lmao

the premise sounds promising and what a GORGEOUS PV!!
gonna put this on PTW as soon as MAL DB approves of it tho i will continue to be cautious

RobertBobert said:


Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market. I even remember some criticizing this, fearing that Key would no longer write serious and deep VNs, instead concentrating on waifu bait. The only sad thing is that now it was easier for them to get money for this than for the adaptation of Summer Pockets.

Boazanian said:

they following where the money is, hm. I reckon VNs don't bring the same steam as they did, say, 10 years ago. Goes to show how ppl may prefer the more accessible, baity gachas with some story than the same sort of quality, or better, seen in a VN but at an upfront cost

Fario-P said:
well this is ridiculously insane timing considering @FMmatron and I were JUST talking about KEY needing to make more tearjerkers lmao

the premise sounds promising and what a GORGEOUS PV!!
gonna put this on PTW as soon as MAL DB approves of it tho i will continue to be cautious

FMmatron said:


Ok, wtf is going on? Feels like I'm having a déjà vu², lmao. I vaguely remember that this already happened. Weren't we having a chat about Angel Beats and Key? Shortly after we heard the news that Kamisama ni Natta Hi was already underway. Another time we were talking about pirate anime and baam, Fena got announced. This is getting spooky.

RobertBobert said:
I even remember some criticizing this, fearing that Key would no longer write serious and deep VNs, instead concentrating on waifu bait. The only sad thing is that now it was easier for them to get money for this than for the adaptation of Summer Pockets.

RobertBobert said:
Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market. I even remember some criticizing this, fearing that Key would no longer write serious and deep VNs, instead concentrating on waifu bait. The only sad thing is that now it was easier for them to get money for this than for the adaptation of Summer Pockets.

Thai777 said:
Script -> no Jun Maeda

Good.

Hopefully the anime will have a decent pacing for once. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Thai777 said:
Script -> no Jun Maeda

Good.

Hopefully the anime will have a decent pacing for once. I'm cautiously optimistic.

FlyingEgg said:

Tbh, I think this the most likely path forward for Key. And I don't think it's such a bad thing. F2P players like me can enjoy the story without paying a dime. People who like to sacrifice their money for their waifu will do it. And if it's successful, Key will make a lot of money. It's a win-win!

I agree though that it can be annoying for pure VN players. They have to actually play the RPG/rhythm game/puzzle game to get through the story.

From my limited experience with gacha games (BanG Dream, Project Sekai, Sdorica, Arknights), I can say that the story (the main plot at least) are of high quality. I might be one of the few people who enjoy gacha games for their story.

And btw, this is not the only mobile game that Key have announced, right? There's also Heaven Burns Red. The story and the characters look more badass on that one.

Totoshinoz said:


It really is disappointing. Seeing how easy it was for them to greenlit an anime for something as small as Prima Doll yet having a hard time finding people to do Little Busters, Rewrite, and seemingly Summer Pockets. I know the next visual novel has been announced to be in development, but it really does feel like they're just putting out a bunch of waifu-bait material because that's the only way they're getting revenue.

The problem with Key in my opinion, is that they don't take advantage of the IPs that they already have so they have to resort to making many new IPs instead and bet on them to have some financial backing.

Look at Type-Moon. They're literally banking in on 3 main titles and all the sequels/spin-offs/prequels/etc. from those titles. They're taking so many unique approaches to building the lore and creating stories for each of their IPs to thrive which keeps the fandom alive and lets it grow. Key on the other hand drops a story, maybe drops an expansion pack or fan disc later, maybe drops a heroine spin-off game later, but then they never go back to those works to fully do anything more. The fandom moves on and only a select few stay for Key's next work. And yes, I know that Type-Moon works are vastly different and allow for lore to be created more easily than Key works, but it's about taking advantage of the IP that's the main point.

Key's just very untimely and it feels like when they figure out the right approach, they're 5-10 years too late so it's not as impactful. All of their titles could've easily been milked more to become bigger IPs and help Key financially. Planetarian's probably the only title they have that they've fully milked. Air, Clannad and Rewrite specifically though could've been milked the most. Rewrite could've easily been Key's Fate-equivalent. It's just unfortunate and if the Summer Pockets anime doesn't do well, I feel like they're not going to prioritize their mainstream visual novels anymore. I guess it's fine in a sense because Maeda did say that the visual novel industry is dying, but at the same time, Key's best stories are from their visual novels, so until they can do a quality story in a different medium with good reception and success, I just don't feel like it'll be a wise choice from a quality-standpoint to not prioritize their mainstream visual novels.

RobertBobert said:
Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market.

Just4FunAcc said:
Look who's the director lol
Did they forget about that rewrite disaster?

RobertBobert said:
People rejoicing at the absence of Jun in Key is like rejoicing that they didn’t put sausage in your hot dog

Manpig said:
[quote=RobertBobert message=65574315Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market.

Just4FunAcc said:
Look who's the director lol
Did they forget about that rewrite disaster?

RobertBobert said:
People rejoicing at the absence of Jun in Key is like rejoicing that they didn’t put sausage in your hot dog

RobertBobert said:

The fact that this is a multimedia project does not negate the fact that its game part is intended for mobile platforms and that this is not the traditional direction of Key. And yes, due to the fact that that project has not yet been released, this will literally be their first project of this kind.

Before you say fact check, first read my comment carefully and find where I said anything about only Maeda creating content in Key. He is still one of the founders and the main author of most of their best stuff, so it's really very strange and even somewhat insulting for me as a fan of the brand to be happy about the Key project without Maeda.

Also, I'm happy for you if you're "not so pessimistic" and you like the content, but I have a different opinion.

Manpig said:


But that's the thing, there *isn't* a game, this was never a game. It's a webnovel and songs which is getting an anime, this multi-media project doesn't involve a mobile game in any way, you've confused two entirely different projects for each other.

The thing is Maeda is very burnt out on media, if you've read his only recent project, Nekogari, you can see that, he wants a break and I think its in his best interest to gve that to him.

Key has been fine without Maeda since Summer Pockets, I won't say his touch isn't special, but it really isn't as be-all-end-all as most people believe. Trust me, I've seen literally every Key work, including the works before Key like ONE ~Kagayaku Kisetsu E~, Maeda is important, but so is Kai, Touya, and every other classic writer

Key has been making banger after banger ever since, I've read Prima Doll's source and it's pretty solid. Not to meiton, Summer Pockets, Loopers, and Lunaria all have no influence from Maeda, yet they're all amazing. Summer Pockets and Lunaria feel like some of the most classic Key works without having Maeda on the project.

It feels like you're going off what you think instead of actually reading what I'm saying or keeping up with the company.

RobertBobert said:


I'll say it again, it's good for you if you like it. But I still would like to see the classic Key and content that looks like its best author. I have no desire to start an argument with fanboys who are ready to attack even other loyal brand fans if their opinion is not as idealistic as theirs.

Manpig said:


This wasn't an attack, I'm trying to prevent the spread of misinformation. You haven't responded to or even highlighted any parts where I tried to correct that, all I wanted to do is clarify things. If trying to correct misinformation is an attack on an opinion, then I'm the one at a loss for words here.

There is a lot of hope for this project, and its visible when you look at what its got to offer. Its fine if you like classic works and want to see Maeda again, but that and this are different things

RobertBobert said:


When you literally mean "it was good, how can you not care about it?!" and ambiguously trying to shame me for being pessimistic about post-Jun works, this is an attack. This is especially noticeable at the point where you lose more and more sense of the difference between matters of taste and "misinformation", starting to actually insist that I can't appreciate Jun as Kei's heart just because you personally think other authors are also good.

So, I will repeat once again. If you feel an orgasm from literally everything that Key does, then this is your business. I prefer more classic content.

Manpig said:


But that's the thing, there *isn't* a game, this was never a game. It's a webnovel and songs which is getting an anime, this multi-media project doesn't involve a mobile game in any way, you've confused two entirely different projects for each other.

The thing is Maeda is very burnt out on media, if you've read his only recent project, Nekogari, you can see that, he wants a break and I think its in his best interest to gve that to him.

Key has been fine without Maeda since Summer Pockets, I won't say his touch isn't special, but it really isn't as be-all-end-all as most people believe. Trust me, I've seen literally every Key work, including the works before Key like ONE ~Kagayaku Kisetsu E~, Maeda is important, but so is Kai, Touya, and every other classic writer

Key has been making banger after banger ever since, I've read Prima Doll's source and it's pretty solid. Not to meiton, Summer Pockets, Loopers, and Lunaria all have no influence from Maeda, yet they're all amazing. Summer Pockets and Lunaria feel like some of the most classic Key works without having Maeda on the project.

It feels like you're going off what you think instead of actually reading what I'm saying or keeping up with the company.

Manpig said:


That wasn't my intention and never was, all I'm saying is that Maeda needs a break, and all writers of the franchise are important and can do amazing things. If you don't care about it, that's fine, power to you, but if that's the case, do that knowing what the project actually is.

I'm not saying Key is perfect, they have made flunks, but to say something like one man dictates the quality of an entire company, and that they are stooping so low as to make low quality stories for money isn't really true.

It is not a mobile game done for the sake of waifuism and quick bucks, this is a full project with love and vision, and it is still done by writers who have worked on AIR, Clannad, and Summer Pockets, all which have had just as much of an influence.

Whether or not you care about it is up to you, but know what it is first.

Tokoya said:
So what you're saying is that this anime is based on a web novel and NOT a mobile game

RobertBobert said:
You literally keep trying to shame me for this even though I literally never said Jun is the only important/good writer in this. I also didn't say anywhere that they would make bad stories for the money, which is pretty ironic given that earlier you tried to accuse me of misrepresenting you. Please turn this whole stupid argument about tastes over.

Manpig said:


Yes, a web novel and songs, along with a website.



You said the following
"Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market. I even remember some criticizing this, fearing that Key would no longer write serious and deep VNs, instead concentrating on waifu bait. The only sad thing is that now it was easier for them to get money for this than for the adaptation of Summer Pockets."

This is what I was referring to. I also don't want to continue this, all I'm trying to do is clarify what this project isn't, and that its a show worth seeing.

Manpig said:


Yes, a web novel and songs, along with a website.



You said the following
"Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market. I even remember some criticizing this, fearing that Key would no longer write serious and deep VNs, instead concentrating on waifu bait. The only sad thing is that now it was easier for them to get money for this than for the adaptation of Summer Pockets."

This is what I was referring to. I also don't want to continue this, all I'm trying to do is clarify what this project isn't, and that its a show worth seeing.

Manpig said:


Yes, a web novel and songs, along with a website.



You said the following
"Because this project was originally announced as an attempt to enter the mobile games market. I even remember some criticizing this, fearing that Key would no longer write serious and deep VNs, instead concentrating on waifu bait. The only sad thing is that now it was easier for them to get money for this than for the adaptation of Summer Pockets."

This is what I was referring to. I also don't want to continue this, all I'm trying to do is clarify what this project isn't, and that its a show worth seeing.

RobertBobert said:


And we've already discussed this, but you keep pushing me, suggesting that I can't be pessimistic about what you like or that if I especially appreciate Jun, I don't care about anything else at all.

Manpig said:


And as I said, that wasn't my intention, I honestly apologise if I came off that way.

Final word is what I said before, I've done what I set out to do which was clarify that this wasn't a low-effort mobile game. and clarify the authenticity of the people behind this project.

I hope people can look at this information and look forward to Prima Doll's future based on that.

RobertBobert said:


If you go back and read my comment carefully, you will see that I literally wrote that I would not want Key to do something like this, even if I could like this show. It's all.

RedChrome said:
I think I'm gonna like this one, it kinda reminds me of GochiUsa

Manpig said:


If you like Gochiusa, you'll like this for sure.

This story is basically a combination of Gochiusa and Violet Evergarden. With most of it being SOL, with occasional flashbacks into the characters' pasts, and how the war affected them.

Manpig said:


If you like Gochiusa, you'll like this for sure.

This story is basically a combination of Gochiusa and Violet Evergarden. With most of it being SOL, with occasional flashbacks into the characters' pasts, and how the war affected them.

shiroha said:

Good? Look at the Director

Totoshinoz said:


Let's also not mention that the writers only have writing credits on Kaginado, the Rewrite anime. and the Kud Wafter anime. It's not looking too bright. Yes, I know Kai is an actual visual novel writer that works with Key a lot, but in terms of his anime work, the Rewrite and Kud Wafter anime were a disaster. The anime really doesn't seem like it has anything going for it aside from the already-established merchandising.

Key's done for if they're planning on using the same staff for the Summer Pockets anime because that has actual potential for people to take them seriously again in the anime community and even industry.

Manpig said:


Kai did not write the Rewrite anime, the rewrite anime was written by Romeo Tanaka, the original writer of the Rewrite VN, and the reason that had to change was because the Rewrite VN in itself is difficult to adapt.

I think Kud Wafter's anime isn't that bad, it's just a completely different project from the original game. I do agree the liberties were strange though, I attribute it to maybe Kud Wafter's less-than-positive reputation for not having any real drama in the original story.