Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2 Episode 10 Discussion

It wasn’t spoiled outright for me, but I had a feeling it was coming with some of the imagery in the OP. Still absolutely gut wrenching to watch, especially with them just showing you Paul’s Torso splat on the rock dying. And then Zenith too omg

"I never considered him my father but he always considered me his son"

RIP Paul
he will be missed
This too on fathers day
they managed to save zenith but at what cost
looks like she isn't herself anymore
feel so bad for Rudy

Some LN Extra Details (Volume 12 Chapter 8-10 (partial))

- Elinalise lends mana imbued crystals to Roxy and Rudy incase they needed to recover their mana.
- Hydra is a type of dragon. It was varied by colors of white, gray and gold in Demon Continent, but they never saw a green type before.
- Roxy said it is a Manatite Hydra that absorbs mana. It was spotted during the second Great Human-Demon War. It was last heard to be slain before the continent split apart.
- They cremated Paul's body there to prevent it from being zombified even though Rudy was conflicted by it. He had hoped to bring some part of him back as a proof to his family, but none is left
- Paul only left 3 things, the metal breastplate that protected his torso, the magic sword and his favourite sword.
- A lot of thinking and reminiscing when Rudy was at the inn. He wonders what Paul is actually thinking seeing his final face in his death, and what is he actually trying to say beforehand (Maybe we will see that more in next episode)
- Rudy had hoped that he could celebrate and then grief together with Zenith once she woke up, but he was truly depressed to see her condition and knowing that he had lost both of them.

Differences from LN
- Part of chapter 10 is shortened after they saved Zenith

Man I can't believe I'm in the absolute minority here but honestly Paul's death felt so poorly done. Like, they're absolutely just kicking this hydra's ass, completely in sync, only getting hit occasionally but totally on it with the healing... and then, all of sudden, Rudy somehow gets distracted and loses focuses, not once, but twice in a row? Paul literally has to snap him out of it twice in the span of three seconds. I mean that's just sloppy. I get that Paul has to die for plot reasons, but come on.

Man I can't believe I'm in the absolute minority here but honestly Paul's death felt so poorly done. Like, they're absolutely just kicking this hydra's ass, completely in sync, only getting hit occasionally but totally on it with the healing... and then, all of sudden, Rudy somehow gets distracted and loses focuses, not once, but twice in a row? Paul literally has to snap him out of it twice in the span of three seconds. I mean that's just sloppy. I get that Paul has to die for plot reasons, but come on.

man just 30 mins the epsidoe released and 150 users already reated 1🤬🤬, then you say one piece is top airing anime,


If I talk about the episode, this episode I gues is peak of Mushoku tensei, only that orested ep would come higher than this and I can say that the world of mushou has changed now, Rudy and Lilya are the only left to run whole family and what to say about Zenith, I first time felt angry on her.

I played episode and the timestamp at whicch i check is 19th min, till then just focused on ep, I felt like 5mins of ep

@vardavarr Nah, its better than LN, in LN its like blink and he died not dramatic like Anime, but the main focus is not paul death but AFTER paul death, the last 2 episode it will be banger(but also some people will hate it)

Maybe it was just poorly executed, but it seemed more like he didn't even use half of his strength in the fight.

After almost 3 years of waiting, we finally get to this.
And now we can finally talk freely, Paul is DEAD.
There are a few details to this scene that I hope they explain later, otherwise people really need to be paying attention, to the little change in expression Paul's face had upon seeing that thankfully he was able to save his son, and be do a parent's job at the end.
Easily the most emotional episode of S2, the remaining episodes will only pick apart these scenes further and add ash to the fire, if someone has yet to feel something, watch the next few episodes.

I would say this is PEAK MT from everything we have seen so far, but S1's Orsted was better executed, was more cinematographic, when I feel that staff was MOSTLY needed for this scene.

What we got still does not deliver the impact of the LN (whereas S1 Orsted surpassed the source material IMO), yet I cant shit on the studios for giving this with the staff they, this is clearly the best MT episode they have produced.

I like the choice of OST for the scene the final 3 minutes, and the animation was far above anything else this season, but I think that fight needed a better soundtrack, to feel even more intense.
Animation wise I have little complains, I loved it, but I feel it could have been a bit better shooted, to give more impact (Orsted's scene again on S1, blowned my mind away).

The choice to end the episode with Rudeous mother waking up behaving like she had a complete reset and it is a new person was perfect to finish this episode, to up the despair for anime onlies.

YES, all this work, effort and sacrifice, and what Rudeous achieve was losing his father, and in what little happiness he could get from rescuing his mom (which he doesnt care as much as Paul), it end up being futile since she is no longer the Zenith they knew, but a shell truly.

Hyped for the last few episodes, now it truly is worth it to follow weekly.


Did a "bit" of reading what other said (this is definitely one episode to discuss on forums, WORTH IT):


Not going to say spoilers, but you are NOT wrong, and that is what hits Rudy all the more at the end, he is truly eating those words the Man-God told him now. (except if he had not came, Roxy would be dead, which outweights all that, but that is a topic for another time)


The highlight for this season 2, was always gonna be this, and what comes next, otherwise people wouldnt been very hyped for S2.


They did a great job with the animation but I wanted a bit better for Paul's corpse scene, maybe a better angle to approach it, you see his head first, then slowly to his torso or something, and also for the end, the last 2-3 minutes, ANYTHING from Shiki awesome OST here:
https://youtu.be/dixsFSqdjmU?si=Bsf2oKJ8b1W2Oi7D

Most stuff from that link would have given more IMPACT, specially Echo from minute 22, put that song playing and watch ep22 again! (I might do that that in preparation for the feels of ep23!!)
I honestly feel the worst part of this episode was the soundtrack, which is praise cuz it means they didnt fuck up and what I expected to be the hardest



The photo you attached from the LN IMO had more impact and how I expected them to go in a way.


The writter got you good then, Paul's job was exactly that, and his job is NOT over, feels time for the next 2 episodes, it doesnt end with this episode.


EXACTLY, when I read it on the LN I saw it like this too, forgotten, would have been even better, cuz first he would look to Paul's head, then see blood coming down and the camera would go UP... FEELS


It is not because of this, but the consequences that come after and how this topic is handled and the weight it carries moving forward, that I feel this series is peak fiction.


He would have regreted either way, Roxy would be dead, and maybe his father too, the point that Rudy made before departing is that in life you cant avoid regrets, you gotta face them and digest what you can, moving on the best you can.


That scene shows that despite everything, Rudeous is still far from being a veteran, he doesnt have has many years as Paul and his party did adventuring, it was a moment of careless, his defenses slipped, it happens and that is all it took.


In the LN you can understand Rudy's mental state better, so when this shit happens, you get HIT HARD.


God point on this, it definitly gives credit to Rudeous not being able to see it, but also I feel it was a combination of that and his inexperience to see such extreme situation, yes demon country, but it is not like he survived there 10-15 years. And the last few years also got him softer.


spoiler button due to gore



Next couple of episodes will be hell then, that will be picked appart like crazy.


It is precisely due to that, that the episode title is in the plural.


No plot armor for Rudeous either, he lost his hand. It has consequences.


Who? Rudy? The problem was the Hydra's scales absorbed the mana, his actions were limited and in close quarters he had to use flame to fuck them wounds.


Agreed, maybe if we had staff from S1 for Orsted's it would have been possible, but what we got still has me happy they at least did not fucked it up, but it is too soon to say anything because the next two episodes have to be properly delivered too!


It is okay, next two episodes might fuck you good, so wait for them, and after that TBH, at least go check this section on the LN, and decide if you want to read the LN or not, the full worldbuilding aspect you can only get on the LN, with all the details, if anything reading both the manga, the LN and seeing the anime complements one another crazy for this series.


Yes he did, and a detail not explained, the Hydra's eyelashes had sharp scales to them, and when the Hydra closed its eye, that helped server a lot of Rudeous bone, it is a very nasty detail in the LN.


You might actually be on something here, lol



Good job, I was too lazy myself to do that.


YES, you summed very well what I wanted to convey, Rudeous has talent, but he still has many years of experience to live and learnt from.
Like Paul was all dandy on 1st stratum and maybe second, but then knew when to focus on and stop playing around, Paul had more experience than Rudeous agaisnt such situations and especially in a labyrinth.