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@DigiCat Dunno where you took that stat from, but wahteva
I mean, you could just go see for yourself top favourited characters here on MAL.
Top female is Kurisu, who is 14th total. She is actually well written female character, who deserves all the praise she gets. Next up is Mikasa on 17th, who is still considered by many as weakest aspect of the show. And so on... In top 50 you have only 15 female characters. That's measly 30% at least some of which are just shallow waifu baits from popular shows.
It's almost as if there is a reason for that.
I mean, you could just go see for yourself top favourited characters here on MAL.
Top female is Kurisu, who is 14th total. She is actually well written female character, who deserves all the praise she gets. Next up is Mikasa on 17th, who is still considered by many as weakest aspect of the show. And so on... In top 50 you have only 15 female characters. That's measly 30% at least some of which are just shallow waifu baits from popular shows.
It's almost as if there is a reason for that.
| @Piromysl For one, what you just said disproves your claim of "character design and visual appeal usually takes presence over quality of their personality and writing ... that's what audience values and that's what authors are delivering" since the examples you gave obviously prove otherwise Let's go thru the top 50 characters then - 14: Kurisu Like you said very well written character, and is the most popular female character for a lot more than her looks - 17: Mikasa Though i personally don't like her character i wouldn' call her the weakest part of the show, she is yet another example of a well written female character - 20: Emilia Re:zero's female characters def have classic appealing fantasy aesthetic, but they're also far from one dimentional - 24: Rem ^^ - 26: Megumin Does Megumin have a lot of depth? Not really. Does Konosuba have a lot of depth? Not really. Why does Konosuba not have a lot of depth? Because it's a dumb-ass comedy. Does it need depth to be good? No, again, it's a dumb-ass comedy, it's main appeal is that it's funny AF - 27 & 30 can't comment haven't watched the shows - 32: Zero Two So far the rauchiest (or second, Monogatari series might have it beat) anime on the list, i personally don't think Zero Two or any other FranXX characters are particularly well written, but they're also far from the worst - 34: Violet Def not a waifu bait show, not my thing, but i know of the massive praise the writing of this gets - 40 & 41 can't comment haven't watched the shows - 42: Taiga Romcom, not really into them, don't think she's particularly well written, and neaither are the rest of characters male and female - 45: Asuna The writing of SAO is quite a divicive topic, i personally think though the writing is not perfect it still does a great job giving the characters depth - 46: Yuno Mirai Nikki is a train wreck, not sure bout waifu bait, def edgy bait - 50: Makima I loath the CSM anime adaptation, it only scratches the surface of it's near gleaming source material, very well written but butchered by the adaptation Would you like to continue onto the top 100? Where the first waifu bait(ish) character, Marin, sits at n.74? Piromysl said: It's almost as if there is a reason for that As for the reason, that is plain and simple, shounen/seinen (particularly action) anime tend to be more popular than shoujo/josei, they also have more male characters than female (this is quantity, not quality of writing), and so if shows with more male characters are watched more than shows with more female characters, it goes without saying that there's more male characters to choose from in those shows and thus more will be more popular |
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@Piromysl For one, what you just said disproves your claim of "character design and visual appeal usually takes presence over quality of their personality and writing ... that's what audience values and that's what authors are delivering" since the examples you gave obviously prove otherwise
Let's go thru the top 50 characters then
- 14: Kurisu
Like you said very well written character, and is the most popular female character for a lot more than her looks
- 17: Mikasa
Though i personally don't like her character i wouldn' call her the weakest part of the show, she is yet another example of a well written female character
- 20: Emilia
Re:zero's female characters def have classic appealing fantasy aesthetic, but they're also far from one dimentional
- 24: Rem
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- 26: Megumin
Does Megumin have a lot of depth? Not really. Does Konosuba have a lot of depth? Not really. Why does Konosuba not have a lot of depth? Because it's a dumb-ass comedy. Does it need depth to be good? No, again, it's a dumb-ass comedy, it's main appeal is that it's funny AF
- 27 & 30 can't comment haven't watched the shows
- 32: Zero Two
So far the rauchiest (or second, Monogatari series might have it beat) anime on the list, i personally don't think Zero Two or any other FranXX characters are particularly well written, but they're also far from the worst
- 34: Violet
Def not a waifu bait show, not my thing, but i know of the massive praise the writing of this gets
- 40 & 41 can't comment haven't watched the shows
- 42: Taiga
Romcom, not really into them, don't think she's particularly well written, and neaither are the rest of characters male and female
- 45: Asuna
The writing of SAO is quite a divicive topic, i personally think though the writing is not perfect it still does a great job giving the characters depth
- 46: Yuno
Mirai Nikki is a train wreck, not sure bout waifu bait, def edgy bait
- 50: Makima
I loath the CSM anime adaptation, it only scratches the surface of it's near gleaming source material, very well written but butchered by the adaptation
Would you like to continue onto the top 100? Where the first waifu bait(ish) character, Marin, sits at n.74?
As for the reason, that is plain and simple, shounen/seinen (particularly action) anime tend to be more popular than shoujo/josei, they also have more male characters than female (this is quantity, not quality of writing), and so if shows with more male characters are watched more than shows with more female characters, it goes without saying that there's more male characters to choose from in those shows and thus more will be more popular
Let's go thru the top 50 characters then
- 14: Kurisu
Like you said very well written character, and is the most popular female character for a lot more than her looks
- 17: Mikasa
Though i personally don't like her character i wouldn' call her the weakest part of the show, she is yet another example of a well written female character
- 20: Emilia
Re:zero's female characters def have classic appealing fantasy aesthetic, but they're also far from one dimentional
- 24: Rem
^^
- 26: Megumin
Does Megumin have a lot of depth? Not really. Does Konosuba have a lot of depth? Not really. Why does Konosuba not have a lot of depth? Because it's a dumb-ass comedy. Does it need depth to be good? No, again, it's a dumb-ass comedy, it's main appeal is that it's funny AF
- 27 & 30 can't comment haven't watched the shows
- 32: Zero Two
So far the rauchiest (or second, Monogatari series might have it beat) anime on the list, i personally don't think Zero Two or any other FranXX characters are particularly well written, but they're also far from the worst
- 34: Violet
Def not a waifu bait show, not my thing, but i know of the massive praise the writing of this gets
- 40 & 41 can't comment haven't watched the shows
- 42: Taiga
Romcom, not really into them, don't think she's particularly well written, and neaither are the rest of characters male and female
- 45: Asuna
The writing of SAO is quite a divicive topic, i personally think though the writing is not perfect it still does a great job giving the characters depth
- 46: Yuno
Mirai Nikki is a train wreck, not sure bout waifu bait, def edgy bait
- 50: Makima
I loath the CSM anime adaptation, it only scratches the surface of it's near gleaming source material, very well written but butchered by the adaptation
Would you like to continue onto the top 100? Where the first waifu bait(ish) character, Marin, sits at n.74?
Piromysl said:
It's almost as if there is a reason for that
It's almost as if there is a reason for that
As for the reason, that is plain and simple, shounen/seinen (particularly action) anime tend to be more popular than shoujo/josei, they also have more male characters than female (this is quantity, not quality of writing), and so if shows with more male characters are watched more than shows with more female characters, it goes without saying that there's more male characters to choose from in those shows and thus more will be more popular
| @DigiCat It's almost as if I deliberately put in that "some" just to avoid response such as this one, but I guess to no avail. Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there. And there is way more male characters in top 50, because those are in general better written ones and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist. And no, it's not about "popularity", nor does it disprove my point, because every single female character in top 50 are good looking and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong. And no, please don't go further, because from what I see there is no point. And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did. |
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That's just how fandoms are, people sexualize characters they like. Even male characters get this treatment in female dominated fandom circles. If you don't like people horny-posting just block them 🤷♂️
| @JKKH You'd be surprised how many girls think it's completely normal to sexualize male characters and fantasize about them in completely unrealistic positions, but at the same time consider it a "horrible crime" to treat female characters in the same way. What's strange is that in the past this mentality was mainly characteristic of men, remember how much strange criticism Free received because of its girl-oriented ecchi. |
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@DigiCat It's almost as if I deliberately put in that "some" just to avoid response such as this one, but I guess to no avail.
Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there.
And there is way more male characters in top 50, because those are in general better written ones and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist.
And no, it's not about "popularity", nor does it disprove my point, because every single female character in top 50 are good looking and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong.
And no, please don't go further, because from what I see there is no point.
And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did.
Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there.
And there is way more male characters in top 50, because those are in general better written ones and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist.
And no, it's not about "popularity", nor does it disprove my point, because every single female character in top 50 are good looking and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong.
And no, please don't go further, because from what I see there is no point.
And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did.
| @Piromysl Piromysl said: Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there Seriously why do some people refuse to accept that nice looking characters can be liked for way more than their looks? This is honestly saying a lot more about your perception of these characters than that of the people you accuse Piromysl said: and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist. Don't mince my words, i did not say shounen must have male MC, but shounen with male MC tend to be more popular, same can be said about shoujo with female MC being more popular than shoujo with male MC, that is not to say there are not exeptions to the rule, things like The Promised Neverland, a shounen, with Emma, a female, as MC, and Banana Fish, a shoujo, with Ash, a male, as MC, but these 2 anime i mentioned that skyrocketed in popularity, like it or not, are exeption, and i'll add to that, a show doesn't have to be in the top 100 or have it's characters in the top 50 to be good, there's many more shounen with female MC that are very well liked even without reaching a colossal status Piromysl said: and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong Very mature attitude, just because you don't like the characters and/or the way they're written anyone who likes them and/or thinks they have redeaming qualities are "simply wrong" Piromysl said: And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did So your way of respecting, supporting, women is to critisise them for chosing a male as the lead of their own stories? And how do you want to solve this "problem"? By forcing women to have women leading their stories? |
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DigiCat said: @Piromysl Piromysl said: Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there Seriously why do some people refuse to accept that nice looking characters can be liked for way more than their looks? This is honestly saying a lot more about your perception of these characters than that of the people you accuse Piromysl said: and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist. Don't mince my words, i did not say shounen must have male MC, but shounen with male MC tend to be more popular, same can be said about shoujo with female MC being more popular than shoujo with male MC, that is not to say there are not exeptions to the rule, things like The Promised Neverland, a shounen, with Emma, a female, as MC, and Banana Fish, a shoujo, with Ash, a male, as MC, but these 2 anime i mentioned that skyrocketed in popularity, like it or not, are exeption, and i'll add to that, a show doesn't have to be in the top 100 or have it's characters in the top 50 to be good, there's many more shounen with female MC that are very well liked even without reaching a colossal status Piromysl said: and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong Very mature attitude, just because you don't like the characters and/or the way they're written anyone who likes them and/or thinks they have redeaming qualities are "simply wrong" Piromysl said: And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did So your way of respecting, supporting, women is to critisise them for chosing a male as the lead of their own stories? And how do you want to solve this "problem"? By forcing women to have women leading their stories? Can we just agree to disagree, because you seem to be getting emotional nothing is reaching you and I did not even said half the things you claim? |
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DigiCat said:
@Piromysl
Seriously why do some people refuse to accept that nice looking characters can be liked for way more than their looks?
This is honestly saying a lot more about your perception of these characters than that of the people you accuse
Don't mince my words, i did not say shounen must have male MC, but shounen with male MC tend to be more popular, same can be said about shoujo with female MC being more popular than shoujo with male MC, that is not to say there are not exeptions to the rule, things like The Promised Neverland, a shounen, with Emma, a female, as MC, and Banana Fish, a shoujo, with Ash, a male, as MC, but these 2 anime i mentioned that skyrocketed in popularity, like it or not, are exeption, and i'll add to that, a show doesn't have to be in the top 100 or have it's characters in the top 50 to be good, there's many more shounen with female MC that are very well liked even without reaching a colossal status
Very mature attitude, just because you don't like the characters and/or the way they're written anyone who likes them and/or thinks they have redeaming qualities are "simply wrong"
So your way of respecting, supporting, women is to critisise them for chosing a male as the lead of their own stories? And how do you want to solve this "problem"? By forcing women to have women leading their stories?
@Piromysl
Piromysl said:
Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there
Obviously, not all of them are bad characters, but their designs in most cases are the major contributor why they are even there
Seriously why do some people refuse to accept that nice looking characters can be liked for way more than their looks?
This is honestly saying a lot more about your perception of these characters than that of the people you accuse
Piromysl said:
and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist.
and nobody ever said, that shounen must have male protagonist.
Don't mince my words, i did not say shounen must have male MC, but shounen with male MC tend to be more popular, same can be said about shoujo with female MC being more popular than shoujo with male MC, that is not to say there are not exeptions to the rule, things like The Promised Neverland, a shounen, with Emma, a female, as MC, and Banana Fish, a shoujo, with Ash, a male, as MC, but these 2 anime i mentioned that skyrocketed in popularity, like it or not, are exeption, and i'll add to that, a show doesn't have to be in the top 100 or have it's characters in the top 50 to be good, there's many more shounen with female MC that are very well liked even without reaching a colossal status
Piromysl said:
and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong
and if you seriously gonna argue, that 02, Asuna or Yuno have anything going for them other than their pretty design and "sometimes being badass", then you are simply wrong
Very mature attitude, just because you don't like the characters and/or the way they're written anyone who likes them and/or thinks they have redeaming qualities are "simply wrong"
Piromysl said:
And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did
And fun fact: Majority of mangakas are women, so I guess they would make a compelling female character if they would want, but for some reason they don't. More than that, they are actually decide to go for male characters like author of FMAB or Demon Slayer did
So your way of respecting, supporting, women is to critisise them for chosing a male as the lead of their own stories? And how do you want to solve this "problem"? By forcing women to have women leading their stories?
Can we just agree to disagree, because you seem to be getting emotional nothing is reaching you and I did not even said half the things you claim?
| @Piromysl What isn't reaching me exactly? What is a strawman argument? Piromysl said: you seem to be getting emotional Btw, projecting is not giving you a good look, and it was already far from good to begin with... |
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DigiCat said: @Piromysl What isn't reaching me exactly? What is a strawman argument? If you are going to miss the point entirely and then counter an argument nobody made, then you do yours. Like, who the actual fcuk even told you how I "respect female creators"? Twitter told us time and time again, that only women can write women and they're supposed to be ugly, which is definitely not the threading why anime/manga is dominating, while western stuff is being widely mocked. Piromysl said: you seem to be getting emotional Btw, projecting is not giving you a good look, and it was already far from good to begin with... This was your first, completely unprovoked response, but yeah, "projection".  |
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DigiCat said:
@Piromysl What isn't reaching me exactly? What is a strawman argument?
If you are going to miss the point entirely and then counter an argument nobody made, then you do yours. Like, who the actual fcuk even told you how I "respect female creators"?
Twitter told us time and time again, that only women can write women and they're supposed to be ugly, which is definitely not the threading why anime/manga is dominating, while western stuff is being widely mocked.
Btw, projecting is not giving you a good look, and it was already far from good to begin with...
@Piromysl What isn't reaching me exactly? What is a strawman argument?
If you are going to miss the point entirely and then counter an argument nobody made, then you do yours. Like, who the actual fcuk even told you how I "respect female creators"?
Twitter told us time and time again, that only women can write women and they're supposed to be ugly, which is definitely not the threading why anime/manga is dominating, while western stuff is being widely mocked.
Piromysl said:
you seem to be getting emotional
you seem to be getting emotional
Btw, projecting is not giving you a good look, and it was already far from good to begin with...
This was your first, completely unprovoked response, but yeah, "projection".
| @Piromysl Ehh... you posted that in a public forum, don't complain when people respond to you |
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Lmao, nice try to put all the blame on the fandom but in reality the creators of CSM and NGE already sexualized the characters before the fandom did...
| @Zarutaku This, lol. Putting the blame on a certain part of fandom, with ignoring how discussed characters were presented by their creators in their respective shows, sounds really naive. There will always be fans overreacting with, among other types of reactions, sexualization of female characters, but ignoring how said characters were originally presented by the creators themselves is not a good way of handling this topic. If a show has sexualized characters, then blaming fans and blame only them for just "joining the ride" and continuing the trend, seems weird and unfair. |
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@JKKH You'd be surprised how many girls think it's completely normal to sexualize male characters and fantasize about them in completely unrealistic positions, but at the same time consider it a "horrible crime" to treat female characters in the same way. What's strange is that in the past this mentality was mainly characteristic of men, remember how much strange criticism Free received because of its girl-oriented ecchi.
| @RobertBobert RobertBobert said: I wouldn't say this is a past mentaility, there just haven't been many popular "girl oriented ecchi" series since Free. I still see guys getting worked up over female fans shipping characters though. Really I think people should ignore fan discussions and content that they don't like instead of complaining.What's strange is that in the past this mentality was mainly characteristic of men, remember how much strange criticism Free received because of its girl-oriented ecchi. |
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@RobertBobert
RobertBobert said:
What's strange is that in the past this mentality was mainly characteristic of men, remember how much strange criticism Free received because of its girl-oriented ecchi.
I wouldn't say this is a past mentaility, there just haven't been many popular "girl oriented ecchi" series since Free. I still see guys getting worked up over female fans shipping characters though. Really I think people should ignore fan discussions and content that they don't like instead of complaining.What's strange is that in the past this mentality was mainly characteristic of men, remember how much strange criticism Free received because of its girl-oriented ecchi.
| @JKKH Well, I still remember the times when reading about any shoujo anime you always saw "edgy" guys who complained that the anime portrayed guys "as gay" just because they were feminine and acted like princes with female characters. I didn't see the attack on Free directly, but in those years I saw a lot of videos from female anime YouTubers who criticized the idea that women couldn't get male erotic content. During these years, discussions of "character sexualization" revolved almost entirely around female characters. |
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| Implying a character cant be a nicely written female and sexual at the same time or ignoring that a character being good is what makes them attractive just like how it is with real people. |
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Reply to little_white_boy
What makes it even weirder is Asuka for example is a traumatised young teen yet she still gets sexualised, honestly calling fandoms disturbing is an understatement, it’s what gives anime a weird stereotype instead of treating it like a normal type of television.
I’ll admit there is bait out there such as Ecchi series’ but even completely normal series’ like AOT and Neon Genesis get sexualised, Christ even things such as Pokemon get fully grown men fantasising over certain young appearing characters or even the Pokemon themselves.
To answer your question, no unfortunately it will never end as there is far too many freaks within anime fandoms.
I’ll admit there is bait out there such as Ecchi series’ but even completely normal series’ like AOT and Neon Genesis get sexualised, Christ even things such as Pokemon get fully grown men fantasising over certain young appearing characters or even the Pokemon themselves.
To answer your question, no unfortunately it will never end as there is far too many freaks within anime fandoms.
| @The_Damn_Cook I would say that this kind of approach to the characters that fans have is something Hideaki Anno himself invited. Here he is basically talking about designing the girls in Evangelion such that everyone can have some kind of character that appeals to them (for people who want a more gloomy short haired girls, there's Rei, and for people who want a girl that's more upbeat or with long hair, there's Asuka). Timestamp is 1:30: Of course, this all is just part of a broader idea of database consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_consumption |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| evangelion is well-written? hahhahahahaa its dogshit |
| People will stop objectifying anime characters on the same day people like OP get off their high moral horse. So basically never. |
| can't say I love it, but as the saying goes: "sex sells". as long as people actually use their brains and don't let their media consumption bleed over into real life (aka objectifying actual women in their lives), it's no harm no foul. from a personal standpoint... the sexualization of female characters (or male for that matter) only detracts from the appeal of an anime/manga, and it certainly can't overcome poor writing. |
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| I do not think having a sexual attraction to a character is incompatible with appreciating how they are written. I think for many people, characterization and story do play important roles in determining how we appreciate and even be attracted to certain characters. We often say that no one watches pornography for the plot, but I think this is nonsense. What importance then is the context being given by whether or not a video is labeled "Fucking your Stepsister" or the genre tag NTR? I think putting aside how well-written a story is, how much it appeals to a viewer is important from seperating one anime character from the next, and good writing is certainly a part of that appeal. So sexual attractiion and appreciating how a well-written character are not necessarily incompatible, but that sexual attraction can arise from a character being well-written. Now I do agree that often the fanbase does lose sight of any deeper narrative choices and functions of a character in lieu of sexually charged talks. Is it not weird to anyone that Asuka from Neon Genesis Evangelion is so hyper sexualized when she is a 14 year old girl with attachment issues that makes her a classic case of a type-B personality disorder haver? Now why are anime fans so horny? I think anime is largely accessible, and many creators are keen to combine attractive character design with stories they want to tell. It is just natural to want to have attractive characters in a narrative, we like looking at attractive characters. More than that, sex sells, and the industry surely capitalizes on this more often than not for narratives that are not treated solely as serious narratives, but products to be sold. Anime then provides for a niche of the entertainment industry certainly not served by live-action productions and not by any less visual works like traditional books. In short, anime fans are horny because anime caters to horniness, and horny men and horny boys seek media that can be enjoyed at a surface level, even if they fail to appreciate the subtler aspects of good writing. |
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| It will never end TC. As long as it is profit motivated and people are horny, they will continue to "sellout the female characters" and make ecchi products of them. |
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InvaderFred said: Why is it that these days people seem to treat drawings and cartoons like they're real people? like who cares if they're being sexualized? they're just drawings they don't exist and can't be hurt in real life. This. When any character can object to their sexualization I'll listen. Zimzky said: I'm just wondering if I'm supposed to give a fuck about what other people thinks of my favourite characters? And this. Why does op care so much? Moral grand standing no doubt. Or the sexual thrill? |
“When people see some things as beautiful, other things become ugly. When people see some things as good, other things become bad.” |
Reply to Arnoldnaswel
@DigiCat you've raised an intriguing counterpoint about Makima's treatment of Denji. It's a reminder that narrative complexity can sometimes be lost in broader fan discussions. How do you feel about the balance between creator intent and fan reception, especially in nuanced character portrayals?
| @Arnoldnaswel That's a very interesting question I think it was Sam Smith who said this, don't remember exact quote, but it was something along the lines of "You can write a song with a certain meaning in mind, but not everyone will interprete it the way you meant" I think this also applies to story and character writing, after all us, the audience, can't read the author's mind, it's not really a balance, it's just something natural For me the best stories are those that can resonate with people whether their interpretation aligns with that of the creator or not And of course there's also other aspects outside of the writing that can be reasons for enjoyment too With anime, a visual medium, things like character design and animation, like there are people who put more importance in the writing of an anime, there are also people who put more importance in the visuals |
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| not only in manga, but in most comics in general characters are made not realistic but as caricatures of reality that often means that male characters are more manly and female ones are more feminine (aka big boobs, tiny waist...) now most males in anime are kinda feminine looking, especially to an outsider so feminine one are louder since there is no strong counterpart most of the time this also applies to characters personality artist do this because it sells, and personally I think they just like drawing it like that no matter does it sell or not |
Reply to GRPAttackOnAnime
Zarutaku said:
Lmao, nice try to put all the blame on the fandom but in reality the creators of CSM and NGE already sexualized the characters before the fandom did...
Lmao, nice try to put all the blame on the fandom but in reality the creators of CSM and NGE already sexualized the characters before the fandom did...
NGE never sexualised its characters for glorification. It used the sexual scenes as a means to expand upon its major theme 'Intimacy'. It is obviously going to be not well-depthed when you are showing the freud's psychology about intimacy and not showcase the sexual aspects. Evangelion uses its sexual depictions as a disturbing need of intimacy.
| @GRPAttackOnAnime That's about right, but creators do sexualize female characters for glorification. Character design is largely ruled by the preferences of the worship audience who want them to be sexy and creators naturally follow the demand to make money. Asuka, Rei & Misato are no exception to this. |
ZarutakuFeb 20, 5:46 AM
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Reply to GRPAttackOnAnime
Zarutaku said:
Lmao, nice try to put all the blame on the fandom but in reality the creators of CSM and NGE already sexualized the characters before the fandom did...
Lmao, nice try to put all the blame on the fandom but in reality the creators of CSM and NGE already sexualized the characters before the fandom did...
NGE never sexualised its characters for glorification. It used the sexual scenes as a means to expand upon its major theme 'Intimacy'. It is obviously going to be not well-depthed when you are showing the freud's psychology about intimacy and not showcase the sexual aspects. Evangelion uses its sexual depictions as a disturbing need of intimacy.
| @GRPAttackOnAnime Noy quite sure i can agree after the... |
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Obviously most of the fandom doesn't realize actually how good is chainsaw man. Most of the fandom thinks that it's good fights and sad moments and the best waifus. |
| Chainsaw Man doesn't have well written characters and a character can be both well written and sexualized. |
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