Kakkou no Iinazuke Episode 17 Discussion

Aug 23, 2022 9:36 AM

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Byniavo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Hiro is "sly and conniving" for trying to help someone confess, while Erika directly getting in the way between Nagi and Hiro going on the test of courage together is perfectly fine? K.

Erika is a dumbass and her scene was played for laughs. She can't be sly even if she tried

Irrelevant. It's still a double standard. All Hiro is doing is helping another guy confess. Meanwhile Erika knows full well that Nagi likes Hiro and is getting in his way anyway.

Aug 23, 2022 9:57 AM

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MugenNoShirayuki said:

Byniavo said:
oh no the annoying guy is back. And Hiro is sly and conniving >:(

Hiro is "sly and conniving" for trying to help someone confess, while Erika directly getting in the way between Nagi and Hiro going on the test of courage together is perfectly fine? K.

Nagi is her fiance. Erika is the main heroine of the show.

There are tons of reasons to dislike Hiro. Even if you don't talk about manga's later chapters, judging from what she's done so far in the anime and she's bad enough.

Aug 23, 2022 10:17 AM

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Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Hiro is "sly and conniving" for trying to help someone confess, while Erika directly getting in the way between Nagi and Hiro going on the test of courage together is perfectly fine? K.

Nagi is her fiance. Erika is the main heroine of the show.

There are tons of reasons to dislike Hiro. Even if you don't talk about manga's later chapters, judging from what she's done so far in the anime and she's bad enough.

Your whole reasoning falls apart with the fact that Nagi and Erika are "engaged" against their will and don't want to get married, something Hiro very much knows. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hiro trying to get together with Nagi when both parties involved are in agreement that they don't want to get married.

Aug 23, 2022 12:49 PM

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MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

Nagi is her fiance. Erika is the main heroine of the show.

There are tons of reasons to dislike Hiro. Even if you don't talk about manga's later chapters, judging from what she's done so far in the anime and she's bad enough.

Your whole reasoning falls apart with the fact that Nagi and Erika are "engaged" against their will and don't want to get married, something Hiro very much knows. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hiro trying to get together with Nagi when both parties involved are in agreement that they don't want to get married.

Before all of those, Nagi and Erika were engaged. Doesn't matter if they like it at first or not, but that justifies everything Erika does. Erika has all the rights to take Nagi since episode 1. She can't "steal" her own fiance from someone.

Aug 23, 2022 2:47 PM

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there are two secrets in this episode

Aug 23, 2022 5:39 PM

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Props to the person writing "Nani" in the subs when Umino said "What". Gave me a good chuckle

Aug 23, 2022 7:56 PM

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Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Your whole reasoning falls apart with the fact that Nagi and Erika are "engaged" against their will and don't want to get married, something Hiro very much knows. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hiro trying to get together with Nagi when both parties involved are in agreement that they don't want to get married.

Before all of those, Nagi and Erika were engaged. Doesn't matter if they like it at first or not, but that justifies everything Erika does. Erika has all the rights to take Nagi since episode 1. She can't "steal" her own fiance from someone.

This may be hard for you to imagine, but human beings actually have rights. Erika doesn't have the right to "take" Nagi. Nagi isn't property. He's a human being who can make his own decisions, including about who he wants to be with. So yes, it DOES matter whether or not they like it. You're acting like Erika being Nagi's fiance on paper (when he is explicitly not onboard with this) means he somehow is beholden to her, like he doesn't have a say- he does. Hence why Hiro putting the moves on Nagi is okay, because she is aware that the relationship between him and his "fiance" is not one that they want to be in- and thus not one deserving any respect, since it was foist upon them. Until Nagi and Erika make it clear that they are officially in a relationship because they want to be, not because their parents want them to be, there is nothing wrong with Hiro or anyone else trying to get together with Nagi if they want.

Aug 23, 2022 10:34 PM

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MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Byniavo said:
oh no the annoying guy is back. And Hiro is sly and conniving >:(

Hiro is "sly and conniving" for trying to help someone confess, while Erika directly getting in the way between Nagi and Hiro going on the test of courage together is perfectly fine? K.

Nagi is her fiance. Erika is the main heroine of the show.

There are tons of reasons to dislike Hiro. Even if you don't talk about manga's later chapters, judging from what she's done so far in the anime and she's bad enough.

Your whole reasoning falls apart with the fact that Nagi and Erika are "engaged" against their will and don't want to get married, something Hiro very much knows. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hiro trying to get together with Nagi when both parties involved are in agreement that they don't want to get married.

Before all of those, Nagi and Erika were engaged. Doesn't matter if they like it at first or not, but that justifies everything Erika does. Erika has all the rights to take Nagi since episode 1. She can't "steal" her own fiance from someone.

This may be hard for you to imagine, but human beings actually have rights. Erika doesn't have the right to "take" Nagi. Nagi isn't property. He's a human being who can make his own decisions, including about who he wants to be with. So yes, it DOES matter whether or not they like it. You're acting like Erika being Nagi's fiance on paper (when he is explicitly not onboard with this) means he somehow is beholden to her, like he doesn't have a say- he does. Hence why Hiro putting the moves on Nagi is okay, because she is aware that the relationship between him and his "fiance" is not one that they want to be in- and thus not one deserving any respect, since it was foist upon them. Until Nagi and Erika make it clear that they are officially in a relationship because they want to be, not because their parents want them to be, there is nothing wrong with Hiro or anyone else trying to get together with Nagi if they want.

Aug 23, 2022 10:50 PM

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Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Byniavo said:
oh no the annoying guy is back. And Hiro is sly and conniving >:(

Hiro is "sly and conniving" for trying to help someone confess, while Erika directly getting in the way between Nagi and Hiro going on the test of courage together is perfectly fine? K.

Nagi is her fiance. Erika is the main heroine of the show.

There are tons of reasons to dislike Hiro. Even if you don't talk about manga's later chapters, judging from what she's done so far in the anime and she's bad enough.

Your whole reasoning falls apart with the fact that Nagi and Erika are "engaged" against their will and don't want to get married, something Hiro very much knows. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hiro trying to get together with Nagi when both parties involved are in agreement that they don't want to get married.

Before all of those, Nagi and Erika were engaged. Doesn't matter if they like it at first or not, but that justifies everything Erika does. Erika has all the rights to take Nagi since episode 1. She can't "steal" her own fiance from someone.

This may be hard for you to imagine, but human beings actually have rights. Erika doesn't have the right to "take" Nagi. Nagi isn't property. He's a human being who can make his own decisions, including about who he wants to be with. So yes, it DOES matter whether or not they like it. You're acting like Erika being Nagi's fiance on paper (when he is explicitly not onboard with this) means he somehow is beholden to her, like he doesn't have a say- he does. Hence why Hiro putting the moves on Nagi is okay, because she is aware that the relationship between him and his "fiance" is not one that they want to be in- and thus not one deserving any respect, since it was foist upon them. Until Nagi and Erika make it clear that they are officially in a relationship because they want to be, not because their parents want them to be, there is nothing wrong with Hiro or anyone else trying to get together with Nagi if they want.

Aug 24, 2022 12:06 AM

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MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Romangelo said:

MugenNoShirayuki said:

Byniavo said:
oh no the annoying guy is back. And Hiro is sly and conniving >:(

Hiro is "sly and conniving" for trying to help someone confess, while Erika directly getting in the way between Nagi and Hiro going on the test of courage together is perfectly fine? K.

Nagi is her fiance. Erika is the main heroine of the show.

There are tons of reasons to dislike Hiro. Even if you don't talk about manga's later chapters, judging from what she's done so far in the anime and she's bad enough.

Your whole reasoning falls apart with the fact that Nagi and Erika are "engaged" against their will and don't want to get married, something Hiro very much knows. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hiro trying to get together with Nagi when both parties involved are in agreement that they don't want to get married.

Before all of those, Nagi and Erika were engaged. Doesn't matter if they like it at first or not, but that justifies everything Erika does. Erika has all the rights to take Nagi since episode 1. She can't "steal" her own fiance from someone.

This may be hard for you to imagine, but human beings actually have rights. Erika doesn't have the right to "take" Nagi. Nagi isn't property. He's a human being who can make his own decisions, including about who he wants to be with. So yes, it DOES matter whether or not they like it. You're acting like Erika being Nagi's fiance on paper (when he is explicitly not onboard with this) means he somehow is beholden to her, like he doesn't have a say- he does. Hence why Hiro putting the moves on Nagi is okay, because she is aware that the relationship between him and his "fiance" is not one that they want to be in- and thus not one deserving any respect, since it was foist upon them. Until Nagi and Erika make it clear that they are officially in a relationship because they want to be, not because their parents want them to be, there is nothing wrong with Hiro or anyone else trying to get together with Nagi if they want.

As I said, Erika is engaged to Nagi. So she can do it.

Aug 24, 2022 1:14 AM

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Study camp.
Nagi, Erika and Hiro went camping, but without Sachi, who got sick. And they were joined by Shion.
And while Shion and Erika went shopping, Nagi stayed with Hiro. Shion tried to propose to Erika, but he couldn't. And Nagi told her that he had already proposed, but Hiro put him on hold.
Well, it's time for the test of courage. They were planning to go in pairs, and Erika asked Nagi...hmm, she wanted to tell him something. and Shion touched Hiro, he was trying to get information for Nagi but he couldn't, and Hiro realized that he tried to propose to Erika and he was going to help him.
Let's see what happens.

Aug 24, 2022 6:32 PM

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LOL at the people who were arguing who's the bigger bitch between Erika and Hiro. I love Hiro but Erika is the best girl in the anime. However, that doesn't mean I hate Hiro for making a drama.

The drama is enjoyable and fun. None of those two, and even Sachi included, is as annoying as other anime girl, for example, Nagatoro. They're more like Yukino, Yui and Iroha trying to win Hachiman's heart. Even though, I love Yui the best, doesn't mean I have to hate Yukino and Iroha...

Aug 25, 2022 1:33 AM

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superdutchman said:
LOL at the people who were arguing who's the bigger bitch between Erika and Hiro. I love Hiro but Erika is the best girl in the anime. However, that doesn't mean I hate Hiro for making a drama.

The drama is enjoyable and fun. None of those two, and even Sachi included, is as annoying as other anime girl, for example, Nagatoro. They're more like Yukino, Yui and Iroha trying to win Hachiman's heart. Even though, I love Yui the best, doesn't mean I have to hate Yukino and Iroha...

It's not that I hate Hiro for wanting to win the guy. It's just that she's a horrible character.

The thing is... in other similar manga/anime, most girls are adorable and I don't hate any of them, with only a few exception, that are the people with two faces, the mask wearing bitch pretending to be a good girl.

For the example, I like Chitoge, but Onodera didn't annoy me at all. She's just a pure heart innocent girl. Now if you rewrite Onodera a bit and give her the Hiro personality... like she's still Onodera the good and polite girl, but now is a bitch in the inside and keeps plotting selfish stuff, trying to seduce the MC, making weird demands and conditions. I'll hate that version of Onodera, too.

Aug 25, 2022 2:47 AM

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Good🤩🤩👍🏻👍🏻

Aug 25, 2022 6:08 AM

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Don’t normally make posts but dude this is the most cliché show with the most annoying characters ever

Aug 26, 2022 6:25 AM

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Yoshitsugu will now scream in every role he plays? Hell, he last voiced Betelgeuse in 2016.

Aug 27, 2022 5:35 AM

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Shion dude is good comic relief, but it's like he'll be in an episode and then there won't even be a mention of him for the next ten episodes because yeah that's just how this series works.

Aug 29, 2022 12:36 PM

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Good. It's worth watching. Nothing else to say.

Sep 1, 2022 6:12 AM

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Well the annoying/quirky dude is now getting more screen time some people argue he's bad either good for the story I just say he brings in the energy from Nagi's passive state while studying so he doesn't make it boring just loud

Who's making subs no one uses "poggers" unironically like nahhh, So if nothing progresses much or does anything except for Erika talking with Nagi in the woods I won't expect much from now on.

Sep 5, 2022 11:17 AM

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I'm glad they covered the Study Camp Arc in season 1. This is one of the best arcs in the story, because of something that is about to happen probably next episode haha...

Oct 2, 2022 9:52 AM

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The boy coming along with them is kind of annoying honestly, hope there can be more main plots in future episodes.

Nov 18, 2022 12:41 PM

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Sheeesh this annoying side character get so much screen time in this eps...he was okay in few eps back ,but now it's become very annoying. Especially when he's plotting something with hiro

Dec 26, 2022 2:19 AM

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The author really intends to ruin every outings in this anime huh? Yes I know he's related to someone but just abruptly including a mob character who the author didn't even develop just feels shitty.

Skipped.

C6R5 Raiden

Jan 31, 2023 11:46 AM

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Mano, já não tou entendendo nada desse anime, estou confuso kk

Jul 31, 2023 9:16 PM

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Those side chara, make things fuzzy ~
Just hopping something bad / weird isn't going to happend between those Erika and the side chara on next ep..

Sep 9, 2023 10:45 AM

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So Asuma not only weasels his way into a study group but he plans on confessing to Erica, who is straight up out of his league, during it, thereby making the whole weekend awkward. Does that dude not have a brain in his head?

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Oct 28, 2023 7:03 PM

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After the whole Sachi special episode for some of the previous episode, the time has come to tone her down a bit by making her sick with the fever while the huge event coming up. Hell yeah way to go, anime, way to go!

Now that you mentioned its already weird enough having Shion suddenly barge in to Nagi harem party, the study camp cliche abrupt idea is just a cherry on top of a dry cake, so i don't mind him at all. But care concern truly at how they portray Hiro character now by dealing another 'secret' among Nagi surrounding, now its Shion. She's like setting up a high bar to Nagi before coming up decision to put him into a yes, and dislike every hurdle that block Nagi's development to reach the bar, which may be the reason behind Hiro action. But as always its a cheap attempt, and i also don't know if its good having those disadvantage as well.

In short, pretty sure there is no study at those camp...

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Oct 16, 1:27 PM

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just WHY?!, is it necessary to add that stupid clown in their lovey dovey complicated relationship. I feel irritated, its enough to drop this b-shit.

hope there is no season 2. gonna drop this entirely.

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