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Jul 5, 2022 1:46 PM
#1
| I love the guy. I think he's a masterful filmmaker and great storyteller, but I've got to hold back points for how he treats some people. |
Jul 5, 2022 1:57 PM
#2
| Makes good stuff but is by almost all accounts an incredible jerk. |
Jul 5, 2022 1:58 PM
#3
| From what I've seen on the studios hes a chill guy, but could also be very strict and perfectionist. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:01 PM
#4
| One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:03 PM
#5
Jul 5, 2022 2:12 PM
#6
| A talented director but not really the kind of dude I'd want to be friends with. |
-insert NGE meme here- |
Jul 5, 2022 2:15 PM
#7
kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? |
Jul 5, 2022 2:21 PM
#8
PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? Streaming services didn't exist, not everyone owned a VHS player, there wasn't 10 family friendly movies being released every month like today so when a movie was released in Cinema people would go see it. I guarantee My Neighbour Totoro isn't reaching near the level of success it did if it was released today. So the landscape at the time definitely gave him an advantage over a lot of creators today. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:22 PM
#9
| He’s a legend, an incredibly based and brutally honest individual, and takes his craft very seriously, which I greatly respect. I love his creative ideas and vision as well. He also said that cel animation is greater than computer animation, which I wholeheartedly agree with. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:25 PM
#10
| A legend in term of filmmaking tbh but quite hard to befriend because of his stern personality. As his son said "Zero Marks as a Father, Full Marks as a Director". |
Jul 5, 2022 2:27 PM
#11
kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? Streaming services didn't exist, not everyone owned a VHS player, there wasn't 10 family friendly movies being released every month like today so when a movie was released in Cinema people would go see it. I guarantee My Neighbour Totoro isn't reaching near the level of success it did if it was released today. So the landscape at the time definitely gave him an advantage over a lot of creators today. If that's what you meant yea you're right, nowadays there's a lot of competition and the market of anime and manga is immense. But still I think that he would have became popular in today's market, at least for his amount of skill and hard work. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:36 PM
#12
| the guy makes bad movies and has even worse opinions. |
☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Jul 5, 2022 2:37 PM
#13
PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? Streaming services didn't exist, not everyone owned a VHS player, there wasn't 10 family friendly movies being released every month like today so when a movie was released in Cinema people would go see it. I guarantee My Neighbour Totoro isn't reaching near the level of success it did if it was released today. So the landscape at the time definitely gave him an advantage over a lot of creators today. If that's what you meant yea you're right, nowadays there's a lot of competition and the market of anime and manga is immense. But still I think that he would have became popular in today's market, at least for his amount of skill and hard work. He probably would still be successful but I do think how many of his movies would be able to set themselves apart from others. Spirited Away is definitely one, if it was released today it was be huge. Princess Mononoke is probably another one and Howl's Moving Castle is a tricky because while a great movie, kinda piggybacked off the success of Spirited Away. Just my opinion but I think he'd be around Mamoru Hosoda level, I think Shinkai is still at the top. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:37 PM
#14
Jul 5, 2022 2:42 PM
#15
| Hayao Miyazaki is a genius, but surely here on MAL, where we have a Kubrick every corner, he's just a mediocre professional |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:42 PM
#16
kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? Streaming services didn't exist, not everyone owned a VHS player, there wasn't 10 family friendly movies being released every month like today so when a movie was released in Cinema people would go see it. I guarantee My Neighbour Totoro isn't reaching near the level of success it did if it was released today. So the landscape at the time definitely gave him an advantage over a lot of creators today. If that's what you meant yea you're right, nowadays there's a lot of competition and the market of anime and manga is immense. But still I think that he would have became popular in today's market, at least for his amount of skill and hard work. He probably would still be successful but I do think how many of his movies would be able to set themselves apart from others. Spirited Away is definitely one, if it was released today it was be huge. Princess Mononoke is probably another one and Howl's Moving Castle is a tricky because while a great movie, kinda piggybacked off the success of Spirited Away. Just my opinion but I think he'd be around Mamoru Hosoda level, I think Shinkai is still at the top. Like for example Howl's Moving Castle. In my opinion it wasn't a film totally for children. It has some layer of plot that are completely obscure to the viewer and children can't understand that. I'm trying to say that he can write some complex plots that are way more intresting than the other things he has done and not just children stuff. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:43 PM
#17
Catalano said: old man who's a good animator but a trash director with no talent in writing I agree with the first part. He puts a lot of heart and love into his animation (love he should have shown his kids). Regarding his storytelling, If you've ever read the Nausicaa manga which I regard as his magnum opus, you see that the main thing that holds Miyazaki back is the movie's runtime. Could you imagine if Howl was a series? It's basically a debate over Film/series development. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:47 PM
#18
PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? Streaming services didn't exist, not everyone owned a VHS player, there wasn't 10 family friendly movies being released every month like today so when a movie was released in Cinema people would go see it. I guarantee My Neighbour Totoro isn't reaching near the level of success it did if it was released today. So the landscape at the time definitely gave him an advantage over a lot of creators today. If that's what you meant yea you're right, nowadays there's a lot of competition and the market of anime and manga is immense. But still I think that he would have became popular in today's market, at least for his amount of skill and hard work. He probably would still be successful but I do think how many of his movies would be able to set themselves apart from others. Spirited Away is definitely one, if it was released today it was be huge. Princess Mononoke is probably another one and Howl's Moving Castle is a tricky because while a great movie, kinda piggybacked off the success of Spirited Away. Just my opinion but I think he'd be around Mamoru Hosoda level, I think Shinkai is still at the top. Like for example Howl's Moving Castle. In my opinion it wasn't a film totally for children. It has some layer of plot that are completely obscure to the viewer and children can't understand that. I'm trying to say that he can write some complex plots that are way more intresting than the other things he has done and not just children stuff. It is and you could say the same thing about any of his movies. Princess Mononoke is another one that had stuff in it you probably don't think a child will understand but these films were heavily marketed towards families. |
Jul 5, 2022 2:58 PM
#19
kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: PAPOrr said: kriissyy12 said: One of the greats but would never want to talk to him about Anime or anything in general. I don't get his superiority complex tbh, half his shit only became popular because it was targeted towards families in a time when those type of movies were limited. What do you mean by "in a time when those type of movies were limited."? Streaming services didn't exist, not everyone owned a VHS player, there wasn't 10 family friendly movies being released every month like today so when a movie was released in Cinema people would go see it. I guarantee My Neighbour Totoro isn't reaching near the level of success it did if it was released today. So the landscape at the time definitely gave him an advantage over a lot of creators today. If that's what you meant yea you're right, nowadays there's a lot of competition and the market of anime and manga is immense. But still I think that he would have became popular in today's market, at least for his amount of skill and hard work. He probably would still be successful but I do think how many of his movies would be able to set themselves apart from others. Spirited Away is definitely one, if it was released today it was be huge. Princess Mononoke is probably another one and Howl's Moving Castle is a tricky because while a great movie, kinda piggybacked off the success of Spirited Away. Just my opinion but I think he'd be around Mamoru Hosoda level, I think Shinkai is still at the top. Like for example Howl's Moving Castle. In my opinion it wasn't a film totally for children. It has some layer of plot that are completely obscure to the viewer and children can't understand that. I'm trying to say that he can write some complex plots that are way more intresting than the other things he has done and not just children stuff. It is and you could say the same thing about any of his movies. Princess Mononoke is another one that had stuff in it you probably don't think a child will understand but these films were heavily marketed towards families. Of course they are. Like for example there was a Studio Ghibli film that was done solely for money reasons because of the economic problems in that period, I don't remeber correctly what it was now. I'm trying to say that these directors sometimes are not guided only by their passionbut by economic issues too and there's nothing wrong with that, especially in the 90' where budgets were way more limited than now. |
Jul 5, 2022 3:11 PM
#20
| How does he treat people? Never heard about it. But welp, the guy has 80yo, you don't get to that age without being a little grumpy. I think he's good, the people I see criticising him usually like trash anime that suffer from the same problems they claim to dislike in his movies, so eh. Another case like Makoto Shinkai where most of the hate derives more from their popularity than anything else. I wish he had made more manga, Nausicaa is a bit tiring but like Akira it's a landmark that hasn't been surmounted to this day. |
Jul 5, 2022 8:16 PM
#21
| He directed some good movies and some bad ones. |
| その目だれの目? |
Jul 5, 2022 8:20 PM
#22
| i just think of him as tsundere ojii-san, grumpy and says hates anime but keep making them anyway and from his anime he clearly has a love for it, even though i know what he meant by hate, he just hate the current state of anime industry being not so wholesome.. probably. |
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Jul 5, 2022 8:54 PM
#23
Jul 5, 2022 9:00 PM
#24
| Very talented, but doesn't seem super nice. |
Jul 5, 2022 9:09 PM
#25
_FRB_ said: there's a saddening amount of people that treat his word as gospel Ah, yes, indeed, you pretty got it on point. OnionKnightRises said: Love his work, hate him as a person. I could be a 40 year old man who made a shitty piece of macaroni art, and my Dad would still hang that shit up on the fridge, so the fact that Miyazaki was such an ass about his son's directorial debut that was shown on the big screen rubbed me in every wrong way fucking possible. I thought it was just a manner of professionism, nothing personal there. He simply needed to speak his reception. |
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Jul 5, 2022 9:11 PM
#26
| Love his work, hate him as a person. I could be a 40 year old man who made a shitty piece of macaroni art, and my Dad would still hang that shit up on the fridge, so the fact that Miyazaki was such an ass about his son's directorial debut that was shown on the big screen rubbed me in every wrong way fucking possible. If my son even just made a Youtube video that got 50k views, he would be the most talented son in the god damn world to me. |
Jul 5, 2022 9:15 PM
#27
| He's great. I'm a big fan of his games, the Souls Series, and Sekiro and Bloodborne. One of the best game directors. |
Jul 5, 2022 9:43 PM
#28
| I think he truly is a legend. Due to his very strict views on what anime should be, he may come across as a douchebag, but I can usually see where he's coming from. The more skilled a person becomes, the less tolerant they get towards mediocrity. SgtBateMan said: Well, even I thought he was very harsh with some of his statements. There were surely a better way to put his opinions across than openly criticising his son's work in such scathing fashion. It didn't seem professional at all to me, and I felt like he let his emotions get the better of him.OnionKnightRises said: Love his work, hate him as a person. I could be a 40 year old man who made a shitty piece of macaroni art, and my Dad would still hang that shit up on the fridge, so the fact that Miyazaki was such an ass about his son's directorial debut that was shown on the big screen rubbed me in every wrong way fucking possible. I thought it was just a manner of professionism, nothing personal there. He simply needed to speak his reception. |
Jul 5, 2022 9:54 PM
#29
elnino02 said: I think he truly is a legend. Due to his very strict views on what anime should be, he may come across as a douchebag, but I can usually see where he's coming from. The more skilled a person becomes, the less tolerant they get towards mediocrity. Well, even I thought he was very harsh with some of his statements. There were surely a better way to put his opinions across than openly criticising his son's work in such scathing fashion. It didn't seem professional at all to me, and I felt like he let his emotions get the better of him. Ah, sorry, since I have yet read his comment. Indeed, if that was the way, it's kinda egoism, just like how John Lennon was, but I still believe he didn't hold anything personal to his son. |
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp! |
Jul 5, 2022 9:56 PM
#30
Jul 5, 2022 10:23 PM
#31
| He was right about one thing: anime was a mistake. |
Jul 5, 2022 10:34 PM
#32
| Decent author and one that is loved by the pseudointellectuals, he is a solid 7/10 though but nothing more, maybe a couple of his shows can reach the 9/10 realm but pseudointellectuals like to treat his films like the Illiad and Odyssey of anime and everyone one of them haves a pestilent opinion of why "x" of his shows is his definitive "masterwork". His shows are better the younger you are but you dont see to much value on them after getting older. Still a 7/10 is very nice, he won an Oscar(I dont know if you can consider that something good nowadays but still) and he is probably rich. About his behavior, opinions and the way he treated his son, I really dont care about that, he isnt my idol neither I take any value from any sh*t he said,so I dont need to do the bitch*ng some people is doing in the comments. |
-Xenophon-Jul 5, 2022 11:10 PM
Jul 5, 2022 11:47 PM
#33
| He's a little complicated person, but I like his work. |
Jul 6, 2022 12:30 AM
#34
Jul 6, 2022 12:31 AM
#35
| Maybe not the nicest guy ever, but he's a talented director~croak. |
Jul 6, 2022 12:41 AM
#36
| I'm indifferent. I never enjoyed his works all that much. Spirited Away is the best work from Miyazaki and even that didn't blow me away. Ghibli and MIyazaki are just a more mature Disney, but Disney nonetheless, and I never liked Disney to begin with, so... |
Jul 6, 2022 12:54 AM
#37
| If I started being an anime fan in the 2000s, Ghibli movies would be the shit to watch. Although the movies he directed were familial and peaceful and he is considered a legend, the depth isn't just there. Could I blame him for striking the hot iron when he realized Spirited Away was a success? Of course not. He's a talented person that's for sure. His personal life, although controversial, is irrelevant. |
Jul 6, 2022 1:14 AM
#38
| An asswipe old geezer who makes one of my favorite anime movie. |
English is my second language |
Jul 6, 2022 1:31 AM
#39
| makes boring movies but I've got to give him some points on how he treats people |
Jul 6, 2022 1:43 AM
#40
| Super overrated along with Ghilbi. I heard hes a douche so ill check that out. |
Jul 6, 2022 2:13 AM
#42
Jul 6, 2022 2:40 AM
#43
| Hate the person but he does make good content at least from the stuff I have seen. Both Future Boy Conan and Spirited Way were good. Storywise neither blows me away (though animation wise they are beautiful) but still very solid. As a person Miyazaki just seems like an pretentious D-bag who is actually kinda of a hypocrite on some things. It's funny he complains about LOTR for being "imperialistic" when he was ignoring the war crimes of an actual unrepentant nazi and decided to fanboy and meet him when making his funny animal story. That one case where he morally shamed people for making that monster implying they were insulting the disabled was also just peak self righteous garbage. Also regardless of his son messing up a work he wanted to do how he responded was very poor. In general I probably only feel as strong as I do on him as person because of all the dummy English speaking fans that unironcially think that because somemone makes good films and shows their opinions are always correct and irrefutable. I mean I actually like Tomino as a person unlike Miyazaki and he also says stupid shit. |
BilboBaggins365Jul 6, 2022 2:44 AM
Jul 6, 2022 6:36 AM
#44
PAPOrr said: From what I've seen on the studios hes a chill guy, but could also be very strict and perfectionist. Driven, Focused, Visionary artists often tend to be very specifically-minded Control Freaks... |
Jul 6, 2022 6:47 AM
#45
MasterTasuke said: PAPOrr said: From what I've seen on the studios hes a chill guy, but could also be very strict and perfectionist. Driven, Focused, Visionary artists often tend to be very specifically-minded Control Freaks... You're right but he also passed through that when he was younger. Especially when he worked under Isao Takahata as a simple animator. |
Jul 6, 2022 7:00 AM
#46
BilboBaggins365 said: Hate the person but he does make good content at least from the stuff I have seen. Both Future Boy Conan and Spirited Way were good. Storywise neither blows me away (though animation wise they are beautiful) but still very solid. As a person Miyazaki just seems like an pretentious D-bag who is actually kinda of a hypocrite on some things. It's funny he complains about LOTR for being "imperialistic" when he was ignoring the war crimes of an actual unrepentant nazi and decided to fanboy and meet him when making his funny animal story. That one case where he morally shamed people for making that monster implying they were insulting the disabled was also just peak self righteous garbage. Also regardless of his son messing up a work he wanted to do how he responded was very poor. In general I probably only feel as strong as I do on him as person because of all the dummy English speaking fans that unironcially think that because somemone makes good films and shows their opinions are always correct and irrefutable. I mean I actually like Tomino as a person unlike Miyazaki and he also says stupid shit. Dude, what exactly are you talking about? "Lord of the Rings""Nazi"? |
Jul 6, 2022 7:31 AM
#47
Jul 6, 2022 7:42 AM
#48
| Great director. Blunt critic. Occasional punching bag for the anime community's lowest of the low. |
I'm level |
Jul 6, 2022 3:59 PM
#49
PAPOrr said: BilboBaggins365 said: Hate the person but he does make good content at least from the stuff I have seen. Both Future Boy Conan and Spirited Way were good. Storywise neither blows me away (though animation wise they are beautiful) but still very solid. As a person Miyazaki just seems like an pretentious D-bag who is actually kinda of a hypocrite on some things. It's funny he complains about LOTR for being "imperialistic" when he was ignoring the war crimes of an actual unrepentant nazi and decided to fanboy and meet him when making his funny animal story. That one case where he morally shamed people for making that monster implying they were insulting the disabled was also just peak self righteous garbage. Also regardless of his son messing up a work he wanted to do how he responded was very poor. In general I probably only feel as strong as I do on him as person because of all the dummy English speaking fans that unironcially think that because somemone makes good films and shows their opinions are always correct and irrefutable. I mean I actually like Tomino as a person unlike Miyazaki and he also says stupid shit. Dude, what exactly are you talking about? "Lord of the Rings""Nazi"? This is his comments on Lord of the Rings very apparent he hasn't actually read the books. Even the films aren't like how he described. It's amazing how he is so certain too when the orcs are easy to construe as being a product of industrial waste corrupting the human form or elven form as well in Tolkien or how the foreign Haradrim are attempted to be humanized by the characters in the Two Towers. A story with a definite evil doesn't imply the things he argues for. https://kotaku.com/hayao-miyazaki-seems-to-hate-lord-of-the-rings-indiana-1833458496 Also even the Indiana Jones movies while you can argue there is a sense of white savourism mostly in the second film but in the first and third Indy the American is mainly killing white Nazis. Plus the fact he thinks all American cinema is like that only shows again how his opinions on media aren't very good when he has a bone to pick with the creatives. Americans might have more America fuck yeah films but they are also way more critical of their own history than the Japanese are in their own media (it's nice Miyazaki wants to overlook why they had the Atom bomb dropped on them). Japanese creatives love to denounce war and embrace pacifism while again ignoring why specifically they were "forced" to adopt it. Plus after the after effects were apparent the justification regarding the bombings has been debated in the English world since pretty much the 50s. Ultimately he doesn't like Americans so he is going to literally argue that American film is just what Micheal Bay lol? This is him later hanging out with renowned unrepentant Nazi tank ace Otto Carius where he wrote a manga based off his exploits which of course overlooks the very real atrocities of the Eastern Front vastly worse in my opinion than what he accuses American media of doing. There isn't anything wrong with humanizing the nazis or writing stories from their perspective but you can't overlook why the war was being fought or everything that went on. If the argument is well it's for a younger audience well maybe it shouldn't have been? https://twitter.com/tacticalfiend/status/1379479323384627204?lang=en Dude is a grade A hypocrite to denounce Imperialism so vividly yet ignore such things. The fact people actually put his dumb opinions on pedestal because he helped found a very influential anime studio and make good films is incredibly dumb. We have lots of talented creatives in Hollywood too and I wouldn't take any of their opinions seriously. |
BilboBaggins365Jul 6, 2022 4:44 PM
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