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Aug 10, 2019 4:16 AM
#101
Aug 10, 2019 5:04 AM
#102
Glad to see some more information about the petrification process. So Senku's still alive, as obvious as it was, He and Taiju are now going their seperate ways. This new blond girl runs into Tsukasa and planned to kill him from the start.. She's no match for Tsukasa's brute strength though! But in all seriousness, in a world like that and she would approach me like the way she did, I would be dead meat before I could say "This is Exhilarating" XD Senku helping her was nice, I gotta love all the references to great scientists. Hope they keep that up. |
Aug 10, 2019 5:26 AM
#103
That gap between her eyes is so weird... lmao Eyy... Finally, Taiju and Yuzuriha go separate way with Senku to infiltrate Tsukasa's nation. We won't see them for a while... |
Aug 10, 2019 5:41 AM
#104
The nsame gap as the girl in your sig? What a weird thing to notice... |
Aug 10, 2019 6:07 AM
#105
Sondfer said: They're both quite so cute <3So both Senku and Taiju already gof waifus. |
Aug 10, 2019 6:41 AM
#106
This anime is surprisingly good! Senku is a mad scientist *-* It's very impressive how much episodes have passed and he still figures out every solution he can think of. A true genius! Great episode! |
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Aug 10, 2019 7:06 AM
#107
Aug 10, 2019 7:19 AM
#109
Julianfoxy said: Are you a damn speed-watcher or something ? >Senku DID KNOW how to make Nital (Ethanol + Nitric Acid) >But Senku couldn't get grape or rice to make alcohol (Ethanol) >Therefore Senku couldn't make Nital That shit is Crystal clear bro, it was even stated in the first episode + this one...BRUH I remember that, but I was trying to rationalize what they said with something that made more sense. Like he hadn't thought about using other acids, or hadn't realized he could make nital. The option that would make the least sense, by far, is that he couldn't make nital because he couldn't make alcohol. You can make alcohol with almost anything that has sugar in it, not just grapes and rice as you said. Examples: most fruits, most grains, root vegetables, honey and flowers. It might not always make alcohol that's good for drinking, but should generally be fine for his purposes. Do you mean to tell me he didn't have access to any of that? It's a plot hole, and the flashback only served to highlight it. |
AnotherGuyAug 10, 2019 7:24 AM
Aug 10, 2019 8:37 AM
#110
Senku have to create life at some point you know...for science. |
Aug 10, 2019 10:04 AM
#111
If stoned people still retain his consciousness, Why Taiju never mention that Senkuu was free and alive in episode 1 ? Perhaps they can't see or hear anything outside? On a side note. Wow the reviews section is an absolute joke. |
DannyTheDonkeyAug 10, 2019 10:10 AM
I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
Aug 10, 2019 10:21 AM
#112
So let me get this straight, the only reason we have an arch-nemesis that can contend with senku's potential unpetrified army is the fact that senku randomly gives the biggest advantage to Tsukasa, the formula for the cure. Seems like a massive plot hole to force an potential crisis. |
Aug 10, 2019 11:22 AM
#113
nazgual11 said: So let me get this straight, the only reason we have an arch-nemesis that can contend with senku's potential unpetrified army is the fact that senku randomly gives the biggest advantage to Tsukasa, the formula for the cure. Seems like a massive plot hole to force an potential crisis. First of all, do you know the definition of plot hole? Because it seems you don't. If anything, it would be a plot convenience, which it isn't. Second, what is he supposed to do? Tsukasa would've killed Yuzuriha if he didn't give him the formula. What about Senkuu giving him the formula there is supposed to be a plot hole? Senkuu said himself he tries to find a way to save everyone with the help of science. It would be against his character if he let Yuzuriha die. And if it was just to force a crisis, it would be a plot convenience. Which again it isn't because Senkuu acted according to his character traits and how anyone would've acted in the same situation. I'm pretty sure if someone tried to kill a friend of yours and asked you for the revival formula, you would've told them as well. Also, in the end, while Tsukasa can now build his army, Senkuu has the advantage that Tsukasa thinks he is dead. Plus, it would be way less interesting story wise if the enemy was just a single person. |
Aug 10, 2019 11:49 AM
#114
TheEnhancedExe said: nazgual11 said: So let me get this straight, the only reason we have an arch-nemesis that can contend with senku's potential unpetrified army is the fact that senku randomly gives the biggest advantage to Tsukasa, the formula for the cure. Seems like a massive plot hole to force an potential crisis. First of all, do you know the definition of plot hole? Because it seems you don't. If anything, it would be a plot convenience, which it isn't. Second, what is he supposed to do? Tsukasa would've killed Yuzuriha if he didn't give him the formula. What about Senkuu giving him the formula there is supposed to be a plot hole? Senkuu said himself he tries to find a way to save everyone with the help of science. It would be against his character if he let Yuzuriha die. And if it was just to force a crisis, it would be a plot convenience. Which again it isn't because Senkuu acted according to his character traits and how anyone would've acted in the same situation. I'm pretty sure if someone tried to kill a friend of yours and asked you for the revival formula, you would've told them as well. Also, in the end, while Tsukasa can now build his army, Senkuu has the advantage that Tsukasa thinks he is dead. Plus, it would be way less interesting story wise if the enemy was just a single person. Well, senku could've lied and it would've led to buying him hrs if not days for Tsukasa to get the correct dilution of alcohol but we get the lame BS excuse of its part of my nature as a scientist. Seeing as he is genius and really smart, by telling a tiny lie, he could've saved his friend and prevented an enemy from potentially destroying his plans of a world with science. Also, Tsukasa could've just taken the cure and just killed her anyway, theres no reason he wouldn't do that seeing as he massacred all those petrified adults without batting an eye. |
Aug 10, 2019 2:35 PM
#115
This show is slowly getting better for me. I really enjoyed Senku finding Taiju and seeing his eyes soften. It was nice being reminded he’s still a kid even if the show keeps forcing the ten billion percent genius stuff down our throat. |
Aug 10, 2019 2:41 PM
#116
nazgual11 said: Well, senku could've lied and it would've led to buying him hrs if not days for Tsukasa to get the correct dilution of alcohol but we get the lame BS excuse of its part of my nature as a scientist. Seeing as he is genius and really smart, by telling a tiny lie, he could've saved his friend and prevented an enemy from potentially destroying his plans of a world with science. If you look at it that way, it could be seen as a plot convenience that he didn't lie. However, Tsukasa already knew one ingredient because he saw the nitric acid dropping down in the cave. I mean, Tsukasa is smart, he could've figured out the second ingredient himself given enough time. All Senkuu could've lied about is the alcohol. And the only way to lie in that situation would've been to replace it with sth that would've been realistic to acquire and could react with nitric acid. So I don't think there were many options. If he picked sth wrong, Tsukasa might have noticed and killed Yuzuriha. Also the spy plan probably works a lot better when Tsukasa has an empire. If it was just Tsukasa by himself, there would be no reason or benefits for Taiju and Yuzuriha to follow Tsukasa and live with him. If anything, Tsukasa would threaten them once he found out Senkuu lied to tell him the real forrmula. So he would've acquired the formula from Taiju if they followed him in that situation. So there would've been no reason for Taiju and Yuzuriha to follow Tsukasa, thus Senkuu couldn't have spied on Tsukasa and there was a good chance Tsukasa would eventually find out the formula himself anyways after a bit of trying. So I believe Senkuu prioritized everyone surviving over Tsukasa getting the formula and if he had lied, he risked that Tsukasa might just kill Yuzuriha in case Tsukasa noticed the lie. I mean Tsukasa was smart enough to not even question whether Senkuu was lying. nazgual11 said: Also, Tsukasa could've just taken the cure and just killed her anyway, theres no reason he wouldn't do that seeing as he massacred all those petrified adults without batting an eye. Then you don't get what kind of character he is. As Senkuu said "he is a good guy, but a murderer". He even said he didn't want to kill Senkuu, he just did it because Senkuu opposed him and he felt it was necessary. Basically, he only kills if he feels it is necessary. Once he had taken the cure, there was no necessity for him to kill Yuzuriha, which is why he didn't do it. Also, as far as he was aware, Yuzuriha could've been the only woman alive on earth at that time and killing her would've been a dumb move. If he had killed Senkuu after killing Yuzuriha and he wouldn't have found the cure, from his pov there would be only two men alive thus reproduction would be impossible. He wasn't aware of the smoke signals that Senkuu saw. So he didn't know at that time that there were primitive people living closeby. So, it would've been against his character if he killed Yuzuriha after acquiring the cure and killing the possibly only woman on earth would've been a stupid move on his part if she really had been the only woman on earth. |
Aug 10, 2019 3:28 PM
#117
I love this episode it was great. Looking forward to learning more about this new girl in the future she seems like an interesting character. |
Aug 10, 2019 4:20 PM
#118
Gotta get used to the way the girls are drawn because at this point it's creeping me out. The gap between their eyes is so distracting and vexing at the same time. Aaaanyway, to my surprise, I quite liked this week's episode. It was way more absorbing than any other one so far. The concept of new generations that emerged while others were still petrified has my attention, that's for sure. This show is going places! Fingers crossed for that to actually happen. |
KyorisAug 10, 2019 4:24 PM
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Aug 10, 2019 5:15 PM
#119
TheEnhancedExe said: nazgual11 said: Well, senku could've lied and it would've led to buying him hrs if not days for Tsukasa to get the correct dilution of alcohol but we get the lame BS excuse of its part of my nature as a scientist. Seeing as he is genius and really smart, by telling a tiny lie, he could've saved his friend and prevented an enemy from potentially destroying his plans of a world with science. However, Tsukasa already knew one ingredient because he saw the nitric acid dropping down in the cave. I mean, Tsukasa is smart, he could've figured out the second ingredient himself given enough time. I highly disagree with you. It isnt simple to guess another ingredient for the cure, it could be anything as there are thousands if not millions of different chemicals and their correct ratios that could've been combined wth nitric acid. Being smart doesnt mean anything, you need to know chemistry and at a degree level too or be a science genius. Creating a new formula is not sometihing that is easy, it requires an foundation in science and chemistry and hundreds, if not thounds+ of hours of trial and error. Clearly Senku spent a whole year figuring it out and that is with his science foundation built in his childhood and teenage years learning only about science. However, Tsukasa clearly is not science material because he is the top highschool muscle and knows martial arts so he would not have time to even learn high school level chemistry. Tsukasa would've probably died before even figuring out the second ingredient for the cure. |
nazgual11Aug 10, 2019 5:23 PM
Aug 10, 2019 5:55 PM
#120
nazgual11 said: I highly disagree with you. It isnt simple to guess another ingredient for the cure, it could be anything as there are thousands if not millions of different chemicals and their correct ratios that could've been combined wth nitric acid. Sure, but you're making it sound as if you can simply acquire all possible chemicals in this world. They are incredibly limited in what they can acquire. So you would most likely test the easiest to acquire and most well known chemicals to react with nitric acid first and one of them just happens to be alcohol. If Tsukasa is smart enough to know that nitric acid + alcohol = nital, then it would probably be one of the first things he would test or even the only thing he could test. And just like Senkuu did, he would eventually get the ratio right. Also, I'm guessing Tsukasa knew they made alcohol I'll correct you, it took him about half a year. The first half year was between when he woke up until Taiju woke up. It wasn't until Taiju woke up that he actually tried to mix alcohol with the nitric acid, so it took him less than half a year of trial and error. He even said he would've tried it earlier, but couldn't find grapes. nazgual11 said: However, Tsukasa clearly is not science material because he is the top highschool muscle and knows martial arts so he would not have time to even learn high school level chemistry. So you're just assuming it based on nothing although the story shows the exact opposite? When Senkuu leaves, he immediately figures out that Senkuu wants to make gunpowder to fight him and where Senkuu needs to go to acquire gunpowder. This requires knowledge about how gunpowder is made, which chemicals it consists of and where the closest place is where you can find the chemicals needed. I would say this isn't just basic knowledge anyone knows. It essentially proves that he has a lot of knowledge about chemicals as well. And if he can figure that out, he can just as easily figure out that nital might be a possible formula. Especially since Senkuu and Taiju were making alcohol and might still have had some left in the house Senkuu built. Sure, Senkuu destroyed everything when he left, but the smell of alcohol was probably still there when Tsukasa noticed, assuming there was even alcohol left. Though it would make sense if there was, because why wouldn't Senkuu have any spare alcohol since it takes 3 weeks to make. Also, I don't think I need to remind you that the characters aren't that realistic. I doubt that Inagaki (the writer of the story) spent much time thinking about how Tsukasa couldn't have time to acquire knowledge because of training. He just made him smart, no explanation needed. Of course it's not realistic, but so is Senkuu being able to count the seconds for 3700 years. You shouldn't think about stuff like that realistically when the character itself is already strong in a very unrealistic way. |
Aug 10, 2019 6:58 PM
#121
Another great episode! If Tsukasa said that Kohaku is a new generation so there have been other humans in the past years that have been revived long ago than Senku!? looks like the pairs have been formed guheheh! 5/5. |
Aug 10, 2019 10:06 PM
#123
Sad to see the group split up, but excited in knowing that everybody says that this series gets even better past this point! |
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Aug 10, 2019 11:05 PM
#124
Aug 10, 2019 11:46 PM
#125
Hope it actually does get better in the following arcs...it needs to be... |
Aug 10, 2019 11:49 PM
#126
E = mc2, the equation stolen by Einstein: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm |
Aug 11, 2019 12:25 AM
#127
Aug 11, 2019 3:12 AM
#128
holy fuck man finally we get to see this arc. you know what I'm talking about manga readers lmao |
Aug 11, 2019 5:22 AM
#129
TheEnhancedExe said: nazgual11 said: Sure, but you're making it sound as if you can simply acquire all possible chemicals in this world. They are incredibly limited in what they can acquire. So you would most likely test the easiest to acquire and most well known chemicals to react with nitric acid first and one of them just happens to be alcohol. If Tsukasa is smart enough to know that nitric acid + alcohol = nital, then it would probably be one of the first things he would test or even the only thing he could test. And just like Senkuu did, he would eventually get the ratio right. Also, I'm guessing Tsukasa knew they made alcohol They are incredibly limited in what they can acquire. So you would most likely test the easiest to acquire and most well known chemicals to react with nitric acid first and one of them just happens to be alcohol. If Tsukasa is smart enough to know that nitric acid + alcohol = nital, then it would probably be one of the first things he would test or even the only thing he could test. And just like Senkuu did, he would eventually get the ratio right. Also, I'm guessing Tsukasa knew they made alcohol I highly disagree with you. It isnt simple to guess another ingredient for the cure, it could be anything as there are thousands if not millions of different chemicals and their correct ratios that could've been combined wth nitric acid. No he wouldnt because as i said earlier, you'd need an foundation in science to even think about what causes the petrification and a viable chemical cure that targets the cause of the pertification. Of course, instead we get plot armour with senku luckily and correctly guessing the right chemical for the cure without even understanding what caused the pertrification or what even the pertrification is composed of. You make it seem like science is a step by step process of elimination and you can just follow a line and tick which ingredients to use but you cannot do that for an unkown substance, not to mention randomly using the most simple ingredient would not realistically work in the real world unless you get super super lucky, cough cough plot armour. In the real world, you'd identify the cause and effect, identify the chemical make up and mechansism by which the pertrification affects the human body, produce an cure that targets the chameical that is causing pertificaiton and be able to mass produce it but we see not of this, he just luckily only has to use the most simple of methods and even skips the whole understanding the disease bit and the cause but has three hypothesis of what may have caused it. Not to mention Senku luckily only needed to simply mix alcohol with nitric acid, there was no need for any advanced use of medical devices to identify and produce the cure. You'd also need to pour the cure iin the correct part of the body, which was the brain part first and Tsukasa has no knowledge of that. TheEnhancedExe said: So you're just assuming it based on nothing although the story shows the exact opposite? When Senkuu leaves, he immediately figures out that Senkuu wants to make gunpowder to fight him and where Senkuu needs to go to acquire gunpowder. This requires knowledge about how gunpowder is made, which chemicals it consists of and where the closest place is where you can find the chemicals needed. I would say this isn't just basic knowledge anyone knows. It essentially proves that he has a lot of knowledge about chemicals as well. Nope, it has nothing to do with science knowledge, its hisory. Its just plain obvious after stones and sticks comes sword and shield but since Tsukasa can beat a lion, the next best technological breakthrough after metalworks is gunpowder because you cant physically beat it through muscle strength alone. Knowing the main componnets for a simple compound like gunpowder is not hard hence it doesnt show he even has high school level in chemistry. It doesnt even mention if Tsukasa knows the right ratios of the ingredients as well. TheEnhancedExe said: And if he can figure that out, he can just as easily figure out that nital might be a possible formula. Especially since Senkuu and Taiju were making alcohol and might still have had some left in the house Senkuu built. Sure, Senkuu destroyed everything when he left, but the smell of alcohol was probably still there when Tsukasa noticed, assuming there was even alcohol left. Though it would make sense if there was, because why wouldn't Senkuu have any spare alcohol since it takes 3 weeks to make. Seeing as how smart Senku was, he wouldnt have left any clues about alcohol, instead he would've simply burnt it and the smell would've been gone too with the liquid. TheEnhancedExe said: Also, I don't think I need to remind you that the characters aren't that realistic. I doubt that Inagaki (the writer of the story) spent much time thinking about how Tsukasa couldn't have time to acquire knowledge because of training. He just made him smart, no explanation needed. Of course it's not realistic, but so is Senkuu being able to count the seconds for 3700 years. You shouldn't think about stuff like that realistically when the character itself is already strong in a very unrealistic way. Even the actions and science arent that realistic, hence why its a shounen, even though the anime claims to be a Sci fi. The only thing is does right science wise is list chemical ingredients found on wikipedia, there is no real big use of science hence it should really be a fantasy. Even Release That Witch, an novel which has similar concept to Dr Stone by using technology, science and chemistry to create guns and other technological innovations after finding themselves in an lost age claims to be a fantasy, not an Sci Fi so really, this anime is just tricking the target audience by claiming to be a science show on its cover. https://www.novelupdates.com/series/release-that-witch/ |
nazgual11Aug 11, 2019 7:40 AM
Aug 11, 2019 9:25 AM
#130
Great episode again, can't wait to meet the rest of Kohaku's people. Fingers crossed Tsukasa is gradually influenced by Taiju and Yuzurihara and becomes more kind hearted again. |
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Aug 11, 2019 11:29 AM
#131
nazgual11 said: you'd need an foundation in science to even think about what causes the petrification I think it's pretty obvious that even with a huge foundation in science you couldn't deduce how the petrification works right away. It's pretty obvious it is above the knowledge of modern humans. Even Senkuu had no clue about what caused it. He only theorized about who caused it and that is sth anyone can do without any knowledge in science. His theory was that it was either aliens, a new high tech weapon by another country or a disease. Anyone can deduce these three possibilities without any knowledge in science. However we have absolutely no clue how the petrification itself even happened/what its cause was. nazgual11 said: Of course, instead we get plot armour with senku luckily and correctly guessing the right chemical for the cure without even understanding what caused the pertrification or what even the pertrification is composed of. You make it seem like science is a step by step process of elimination and you can just follow a line and tick which ingredients to use but you cannot do that for an unkown substance, not to mention randomly using the most simple ingredient would not realistically work in the real world unless you get super super lucky, cough cough plot armour. In the real world, you'd identify the cause and effect, identify the chemical make up and mechansism by which the pertrification affects the human body, produce an cure that targets the chameical that is causing pertificaiton and be able to mass produce it but we see not of this, he just luckily only has to use the most simple of methods and even skips the whole understanding the disease bit and the cause but has three hypothesis of what may have caused it. Not to mention Senku luckily only needed to simply mix alcohol with nitric acid, there was no need for any advanced use of medical devices to identify and produce the cure. You'd also need to pour the cure iin the correct part of the body, which was the brain part first and Tsukasa has no knowledge of that. First of all, why do you suddenly change the topic? Second, sure it's plot armour, but this show wouldn't even happen if it wasn't there. Plus, it was made deliberately that way. The show is unrealistic in the sense that it eliminates the time it would realistically take to invent new things. If people were to try irl, they would fail a lot more. The reason Inagaki eliminated the majority of the process of failure was because it would be less exciting. Plus Senkuu would never be able to achieve his goal in his lifetime, nor would his children or grandchildren. The show was never supposed to be realistic in that aspect. nazgual11 said: Nope, it has nothing to do with science knowledge, its hisory. Its just plain obvious after stones and sticks comes sword and shield but since Tsukasa can beat a lion, the next best technological breakthrough after metalworks is gunpowder because you cant physically beat it through muscle strength alone. It's not really obvious though. Senkuu made it look like he ran away and the only hint Tsukasa had was the direction and nothing else. Basically you're claiming a person with average knowledge would automatically deduce Senkuu would be off making gunpowder? The average person including you wouldn't probably even think about that he might be making a weapon. Not forgetting to mention that Tsukasa thought of that straight after a few minutes. This isn't only about historical knowledge, it's mainly about deduction. I know a lot about history and even I would've never been able to deduce that Senkuu was trying to make a weapon when there could be thousands of other things he could be up to instead. nazgual11 said: Knowing the main componnets for a simple compound like gunpowder is not hard hence it doesnt show he even has high school level in chemistry. It doesnt even mention if Tsukasa knows the right ratios of the ingredients as well. I don't know them and I had an advanced chemistry course in high school and had pretty good grades. So it's not sth that gets necessarily taught at school, at least in my country. It's not common knowledge. Maybe it gets mentioned once or twice as a side fact, but it's probably not sth you'll remember years later. Also it's pretty obvious he knows the ingredients because how else do you suppose he is able to deduce exactly where Senkuu is heading to? He knows Senkuu is heading for Hakone because he knows that's the closest place Senkuu can acquire the most important ingredient for gunpowder. So would you be able to deduce the closest place in your region where you can find sulfur without any way of looking it up online? I highly doubt it. This requires vast knowledge about chemistry to know the exact name of the location where you can find sulfur and vast knowledge in geography to be able to find the location without any map, compass or whatsoever. As I said though, the characters aren't supposed to be realistic. It's pretty obvious though that Tsukasa has vast knowledge in at least history (as you yourself already admitted), chemistry and geography. And as you admitted further down in your post, some of the actions of the characters aren't realistic and this counts among them. The only way the deduction could've been realistic, was if Tsukasa had known Senkuu for years and thus known his character in and out. Yet he appears to have completely analyzed Senkuu's whole character in just the incredibly short time he knows him. That's pretty much impossible to do since iirc they basically met each other the first time a few hours (?) earlier. So it's basically impossible to logically deduce this without knowing Senkuu's personality in and out. And even then it's pretty unrealistic that he happens to know where the next place to find sulfur is and where exactly it is located since it's 80km away. nazgual11 said: Seeing as how smart Senku was, he wouldnt have left any clues about alcohol, instead he would've simply burnt it and the smell would've been gone too with the liquid. He didn't though, otherwise we would've seen him do it. Also he made it look like he ran away. You wouldn't burn stuff if you want to make it look like you ran away as fast as possible. nazgual11 said: Even the actions and science arent that realistic, hence why its a shounen, even though the anime claims to be a Sci fi. The only thing is does right science wise is list chemical ingredients found on wikipedia, there is no real big use of science hence it should really be a fantasy. The science is actually the only realistic part about this show apart from the petrification. The only unrealistic part about the science is that the failure is removed and most things Senkuu invents work on the first try. You're right that the ingredients are the actual ingredients and thus you can actually recreate most of the things, just that you will need way longer because it won't work on first try. Or you might not be able to recreate it because sth is incredibly hard to recreate. Still, the science apart from the petrification is sth you can put into practice if you have enough time and the right resources. The most complex things most likely won't work the same way as in the show, because of course the mangaka didn't try to actually build those things himself and made all of this just in theory. Still there are some things that are easier to recreate that actually work the same way in real life, for example the pulley. Also, yeah I agree that some of the actions are unrealistic, but not all of them. Yet here you are claiming that Senkuu giving Tsukasa the formula so he doesn't kill Yuzuriha is less realistic than Tsukasa deducing Senkuu's exact location 80km away just by some footprints and a few hours of analyzing Senkuu's character. Also, you don't seem to know what sci-fi means. It's literally in the word "science-fiction". The petrification is fictitious science, hence why this is science-fiction. Even if the other science doesn't exactly work in practice the same way in real life, it does in theory. By your logic, Star Trek would be a fantasy because warp-gates aren't realistic. The definition of science fiction is basically that it plays on the earth with fictitious science that doesn't exist in reallife while the definition of fantasy basically is that the world itself doesn't exist in reallife. One Piece for example is fantasy because the One Piece world doesn't exist in real life. Another example would be Naruto, Fairy Tail or Black Clover. Boku no Hero Academia on the other hand is sci-fi because the setting is on earth and the fictitious science are the quirks. Or Gintama is sci-fi as well, just that it doesn't play in a modern setting. And if you compare Dr. Stone to both of them, it's obviously sci-fi. Just because earth suddenly looks different doesn't mean it's suddenly a fantasy world. The continents are still aligned nearly the same way. It's the same world just in a scenario where humanity suddenly disappeared from earth for 3700 years. It perfectly fits in the definition of sci-fi. To be specific, it is both shounen and sci-fi. Just like the manga mentioned above are either both shounen and fantasy or shounen and sci-fi. |
Aug 11, 2019 1:45 PM
#132
TheEnhancedExe said: First of all, why do you suddenly change the topic? Second, sure it's plot armour, but this show wouldn't even happen if it wasn't there. Plus, it was made deliberately that way. The show is unrealistic in the sense that it eliminates the time it would realistically take to invent new things. If people were to try irl, they would fail a lot more. The reason Inagaki eliminated the majority of the process of failure was because it would be less exciting. Plus Senkuu would never be able to achieve his goal in his lifetime, nor would his children or grandchildren. The show was never supposed to be realistic in that aspect. Its not changing the topic at all, I was on the topic of identifying plot holes/plot armour that make the show unrealistic hence not a topic change. How can a show be an good sci fi series if it doesnt follow the rules of the modern world and the laws of science? if it doesnt, and it certainly does not as mentioned in my previous post in certain aspects, it may as well be a fantasty. TheEnhancedExe said: This isn't only about historical knowledge, it's mainly about deduction. I know a lot about history and even I would've never been able to deduce that Senkuu was trying to make a weapon when there could be thousands of other things he could be up to instead. Nope, its plainly obvious if you know history like me, that reads a lot about medical age and i only do so as an hobby with no qualifications, the muskets were used in the late dark ages that it is the closest significant technological advantage and a very simple one since the chinese used gun powder in 1100, which means its quite easy to make since it was a thousands years ago and still could be produced in massive scale. TheEnhancedExe said: I don't know them and I had an advanced chemistry course in high school and had pretty good grades. So it's not sth that gets necessarily taught at school, at least in my country. It's not common knowledge. Maybe it gets mentioned once or twice as a side fact, but it's probably not sth you'll remember years later. Having an interest in chemistry and knowing the formulas that make up a well known component that is even used today, not the ratios, is not that hard to learn or know, you literally google it. TheEnhancedExe said: So would you be able to deduce the closest place in your region where you can find sulfur without any way of looking it up online? I highly doubt it. This requires vast knowledge about chemistry to know the exact name of the location where you can find sulfur and vast knowledge in geography to be able to find the location without any map, compass or whatsoever. As I said though, the characters aren't supposed to be realistic. It's pretty obvious though that Tsukasa has vast knowledge in at least history (as you yourself already admitted), chemistry and geography. Even though it is sci fi, which i disagree with, it should be realistic because thats what makes an good sci fi show. TheEnhancedExe said: He didn't though, otherwise we would've seen him do it. Also he made it look like he ran away. You wouldn't burn stuff if you want to make it look like you ran away as fast as possible. This was under the assumption that he didnt tell Tsukasa the formula for the cure, but he did. The making it seem like it run away was a unnecessary move since Tsukasa didnt buy it anyway, hence burning the alcohol and preventing Tsukasa from creating an whole new evil adultless civilisation while also letting him die off alone from old age would've been much better. TheEnhancedExe said: Also, you don't seem to know what sci-fi means. It's literally in the word "science-fiction". The petrification is fictitious science, hence why this is science-fiction. Even if the other science doesn't exactly work in practice the same way in real life, it does in theory. By your logic, Star Trek would be a fantasy because warp-gates aren't realistic. The definition of science fiction is basically that it plays on the earth with fictitious science that doesn't exist in reallife while the definition of fantasy basically is that the world itself doesn't exist in reallife. One Piece for example is fantasy because the One Piece world doesn't exist in real life. Another example would be Naruto, Fairy Tail or Black Clover. Boku no Hero Academia on the other hand is sci-fi because the setting is on earth and the fictitious science are the quirks. Or Gintama is sci-fi as well, just that it doesn't play in a modern setting. Clearly you dont know the definition because the definition on wikipedia is as follows: Science fiction (sometimes called Sci-Fi or simply SF) is a genre of speculative fiction that has been called the "literature of ideas". It typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, time travel, parallel universes, fictional worlds, space exploration, and extraterrestrial life. It often explores the potential consequences of scientific innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction None of what is defined on wikipedia is used in Dr Stone at all hence why its not a real sci fi but fantasy. Furthermore, the petrification could be caused by anything, we just dont know hence you cant call it sci fi. Calling something you dont understand sci fi is not how it goes at all. It could be caused by a airborne virus, as stated as one of the possible hypothesis by Senku therefore not a sci fi. |
nazgual11Aug 11, 2019 3:35 PM
Aug 11, 2019 3:38 PM
#134
nazgual11 said: Its not changing the topic at all, I was on the topic of identifying plot holes/plot armour that make the show unrealistic hence not a topic change. How can a show be an good sci fi series if it doesnt follow the rules of the modern world and the laws of science? if it doesnt, and it certainly does not as mentioned in my previous post in certain aspects, it may as well be a fantasty. I can't remember that trying to identify plot holes/plot armour was ever a topic in our discussion, just that you claimed to have found a plot hole that in reality was just a really minor plot convenience. And tbh, plot conveniences and plot armour happens in basically every anime to some extent. In this case it doesn't make the anime worse, because the anime isn't supposed to be realistic in those aspects anyways. Also, how is it not following the laws of science in the example I gave? I literally just stated that the trial and error process is just skipped. Basically if you were to do a science experiment and it succeeded at the 10th try, it was as if your 9 prior fails get skipped and never happened. However your 10th try that succeeded is still following the laws of science. Also, since when is sci-fi supposed to be realistic and follow the laws of science completely? As I said, it's called science-fiction. It is fiction, meaning it's not supposed to be realistic or is Star Wars supposed to be realistic in your eyes? Dr. Stone tries to follow the laws of science as much as possible whenever Senkuu builds sth. I've been reading the manga since chapter 1 dropped and so far everything Senkuu has built has been explained with real life science. Whether you can actually built these things in practice is up to debate, but in theory you can. So it is following real life science, even if just in theory. From the way you write I'm guessing you're an anime only and since this is an episode discussion, I won't go further into detail so I don't spoil anyone here. All I can say is that in the manga every bit of science has been explained based on scientific experiments/achievements that were done in real life. Just that it might not work the same way with the materials they used in the manga. It's still following scientific laws though and even if it doesn't work in reality, it's still in the realms of sci-fi, because science fiction is fictitious science, meaning it's not supposed to work exactly the same in real life. Fantasy on the other hand requires some kind of fantasy world with either fantasy creatures or magic which simply doesn't exist here. nazgual11 said: Nope, its plainly obvious if you know history like me, that reads a lot about medical age and i only do so as an hobby with no qualifications, the muskets were used in the late dark ages that it is the closest significant technological advantage and a very simple one since the chinese used gun powder in 1100, which means its quite easy to make since it was a thousands years ago and still could be produced in massive scale. Tbf, I'm way more versed in modern history than in medieval history, so I admit I don't know many things when it comes to medieval history. What you're talking about still isn't sth your average person knows. And even with that knowledge you still wouldn't know where to find sulfur. Because knowing the history of gun powder, what gun powder consists of and knowing the exact location where to find it are very different fields of expertise. Even if you were an expert in all three of them, which you don't seem to be, you would still be unable to deduce what Senkuu is up to, because he left no clue that he is even making gun powder at all. So there's no reason for you to even come to that conclusion. So if someone you just met a few hours ago in a Stone Age world opposed you, then left and all you would find are his footsteps and some broken pottery, you would immediately think "yeah this guy went off to make gunpowder"? Seriously, Senkuu left zero clues that would actually make you think he's trying to make gun powder. You can claim all you want you would deduce the same, but I don't buy that, because you're not even trying to put yourself into the exact same situation taking all things into account. You might know a lot about history and might know what gun powder is made of, but you wouldn't know where to find sulfur in your region. We can all claim we would deduce certain things or act a certain way in a situation. But if we are actually put into that situation, humans tend to act completely different than how they would expect to act in that situation. If you asked people whether they would've become nazis if they lived in Germany in the 1930's, everyone would say no. Yet if they actually lived in Germany at that time, most people who claimed they wouldn't have been nazis would probably have been nazis as well. Ever heard of the milgram experiment or read the book "The wave"? Those essentially prove this. Now if you transfer that into our discussion, it's basically the same here. You claim you would be able to deduce it, but if you were put in the actual situation, you would be unable to. That's my conclusion because logically thinking what Tsukasa deduced is completely unrealistic, especially considering that he found Senkuu 80km away without a map. nazgual11 said: Having an interest in chemistry and knowing the formulas that make up a well known component that is even used today, not the ratios, is not that hard to learn or know, you literally google it. Thank you for telling me sth I already knew. Just that I was never interested in what gun powder consists of, so I didn't google it until our discussion. But I guess you contradicted yourself here because in your earlier post you claimed Tsukasa couldn't have spent time to learn chemistry and now you basically admitted that he googled it. And again I doubt it is tought in school because why should they teach how to make gun powder. And if you look at it realistically, why should the only thing about chemistry he learns just happen to be what gun powder consists of or where to find it. This in return proves he is well versed in chemistry, because the chance that the only thing about chemistry he looked up just happened to be gun powder is basically 0. So I guess you just admitted that Tsukasa is knowledgable in chemistry. nazgual11 said: Even though it is sci fi, which i disagree with, it should be realistic because thats what makes an good sci fi show. Pls name me one realistic sci-fi show. Whatever show you name me is most certainly going to be unrealistic. Because as you said further down, sci-fi is based on "speculative science". It's just speculation. The chance that it will actually happen the same way is basically 0, which in turn makes in unrealistic. The only reason you declare it as realistic is because most of that sort of fictitious science is incredibly overused in sci-fi movies or series that it has become a norm. Humanity being turned into stone might not be realistic, but humanity being set back into the stone age because of any sort of global catastrophe is certainly a realistic future event. Science fiction is not supposed to show the future world in a realistic way, because you don't know what will be realistic in the future or not. Hell, around 1900 when people were asked what they expected the year 2000 would look like, they thought there would be flying fire fighters. Replace that with flying cars and you have basically what people in the year 2000 might've expected the year 2100 to look like. But I can guarantee you, the future will always look very different than you imagine. Noone could've ever imagined the internet 100 years ago, yet here we are. Most of what's shown in sci-fi shows will probably either never happen or in the very long distant future. So you can't claim any sci-fi show as being realistic, when you don't even know what the future looks like. nazgual11 said: This was under the assumption that he didnt tell Tsukasa the formula for the cure, but he did. The making it seem like it run away was a unnecessary move since Tsukasa didnt buy it anyway, hence burning the alcohol and preventing Tsukasa from creating an whole new evil adultless civilisation while also letting him die off alone from old age would've been much better. Sure, but Senkuu can't simply change what he already did in the past. You're telling me he should be able to look into the future when he was leaving? "Oh Tsukasa will take Yuzuriha hostage and ask me for the formula. So I need to burn the alcohol before we go." Senkuu can't look into the future and he certainly couldn't have anticipated this happening the way it did. He didn't expect the smoke signals and that was essentially why the things didn't end up the way he initially planned. nazgual11 said: Clearly you dont know the definition because the definition on wikipedia is as follows: Science fiction (sometimes called Sci-Fi or simply SF) is a genre of speculative fiction that has been called the "literature of ideas". It typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, time travel, parallel universes, fictional worlds, space exploration, and extraterrestrial life. It often explores the potential consequences of scientific innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction None of what is defined on wikipedia is used in Dr Stone at all hence why its not a real sci fi but fantasy. Furthermore, the petrification could be caused by anything, we just dont know hence you cant call it sci fi. Calling something you dont understand sci fi is not how it goes at all. It could be caused by a airborne virus, as stated as one of the possible hypothesis by Senku therefore not a sci fi. Sci-Fi doesn't only include the things you mentioned. Those are just examples given for sci-fi. It literally say "such as" which basically means "for example". Fictitious global catastrophes in the future or an alternate timeline also count under sci-fi. That's exactly why the movie "2012" is also considered sci-fi. Dr. Stone falls under the same category as 2012. Sci-Fi is anything that has to do with fictitious science in the future or an alternate timeline of earth that doesn't involve magic or fantasy creatures. A show is only fantasy once it involves fantasy creatures, a fantasy world and/or magic which is why Harry Potter is fantasy although it is on earth. Gintama for example is sci-fi despite having lots of completely unrealistic stuff added to the stuff you see in lots of sci-fi movies on top of aliens, other planets and modern stuff being mixed with Edo period Japan. Idk if you watched Gintama, but Sorachi (the mangaka of Gintama) basically made it into a universe where he could add whatever he wanted, whether it made sense or not. He could suddenly turn his main characters into screw drivers with no scientific explanation given as to how that even worked just for the luls. It's essentially one big parody, yet if you watch it, you can't deny it's obviously sci-fi because of aliens and space theme mixed with modern stuff and Edo period Japan. It's the best example I can give why sci-fi isn't supposed to be realistic. And honestly, does it say anywhere in the definition you sent me that sci-fi is supposed to be realistic or try to be realistic in all aspects? Also I don't think I'll continue this discussion for much longer since it wastes my time and goes nowhere. If I see sth worth to respond in your next response, I'll respond to it. Otherwise this is my last answer in this discussion. |
Aug 11, 2019 4:15 PM
#135
nazgual11 said: Its not changing the topic at all, I was on the topic of identifying plot holes/plot armour that make the show unrealistic hence not a topic change. How can a show be an good sci fi series if it doesnt follow the rules of the modern world and the laws of science? if it doesnt, and it certainly does not as mentioned in my previous post in certain aspects, it may as well be a fantasty. TheEnhancedExe said: I can't remember that trying to identify plot holes/plot armour was ever a topic in our discussion, just that you claimed to have found a plot hole that in reality was just a really minor plot convenience. And tbh, plot conveniences and plot armour happens in basically every anime to some extent. In this case it doesn't make the anime worse, because the anime isn't supposed to be realistic in those aspects anyways. Also, how is it not following the laws of science in the example I gave? I literally just stated that the trial and error process is just skipped. Basically if you were to do a science experiment and it succeeded at the 10th try, it was as if your 9 prior fails get skipped and never happened. However your 10th try that succeeded is still following the laws of science. I mentioned plot holes/armour of Dr stone in my first post and you replied to it hence it was part of the discussion. TheEnhancedExe said: Also, since when is sci-fi supposed to be realistic and follow the laws of science completely? As I said, it's called science-fiction. It is fiction, meaning it's not supposed to be realistic or is Star Wars supposed to be realistic in your eyes? Dr. Stone tries to follow the laws of science as much as possible whenever Senkuu builds sth. I've been reading the manga since chapter 1 dropped and so far everything Senkuu has built has been explained with real life science. Whether you can actually built these things in practice is up to debate, but in theory you can. So it is following real life science, even if just in theory. From the way you write I'm guessing you're an anime only and since this is an episode discussion, I won't go further into detail so I don't spoil anyone here. All I can say is that in the manga every bit of science has been explained based on scientific experiments/achievements that were done in real life. Just that it might not work the same way with the materials they used in the manga. It's still following scientific laws though and even if it doesn't work in reality, it's still in the realms of sci-fi, because science fiction is fictitious science, meaning it's not supposed to work exactly the same in real life. Fantasy on the other hand requires some kind of fantasy world with either fantasy creatures or magic which simply doesn't exist here. Of course sci fi should be based on reality, if isnt based loosely or otherwise on the laws of our modern physical world, it would be fantasy. Also, here is a more targeted defintion of sci fi on wikipedia that states sci fi would be based on logic and realism to a degree: "Isaac Asimov said: "Science fiction can be defined as that branch of literature which deals with the reaction of human beings to changes in science and technology."[4] According to Robert A. Heinlein, "A handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method." And before you mention "changes in science and technology" means Dr Stone is a sci fi because we downgraded to stone age, no because it is an post apocalystic event by starting from 0 and isnt related to future events at all. nazgual11 said: Nope, its plainly obvious if you know history like me, that reads a lot about medical age and i only do so as an hobby with no qualifications, the muskets were used in the late dark ages that it is the closest significant technological advantage and a very simple one since the chinese used gun powder in 1100, which means its quite easy to make since it was a thousands years ago and still could be produced in massive scale. nazgual11 said: Having an interest in chemistry and knowing the formulas that make up a well known component that is even used today, not the ratios, is not that hard to learn or know, you literally google it. Thank you for telling me sth I already knew. Just that I was never interested in what gun powder consists of, so I didn't google it until our discussion. TheEnhancedExe said: But I guess you contradicted yourself here because in your earlier post you claimed Tsukasa couldn't have spent time to learn chemistry and now you basically admitted that he googled it. And again I doubt it is tought in school because why should they teach how to make gun powder. And if you look at it realistically, why should the only thing about chemistry he learns just happen to be what gun powder consists of or where to find it. This in return proves he is well versed in chemistry, because the chance that the only thing about chemistry he looked up just happened to be gun powder is basically 0. So I guess you just admitted that Tsukasa is knowledgable in chemistry. Taking an interest and googling something does not mean they are well versed in a subject that they have enough foundation as Senku does. I take an interest in history and the middle ages but would i say i'm well versed in that as much as someone who took chemistry lessons in high school and an degree? no, I would not. I would never compare a few hundred hrs of watching documentary and self learning with someone with a thousand hours of further reading and hundreds of hours of lessons taught by Professors with Phds and masters per year x3 . nazgual11 said: Even though it is sci fi, which i disagree with, it should be realistic because thats what makes an good sci fi show. TheEnhancedExe said: Pls name me one realistic sci-fi show. Whatever show you name me is most certainly going to be unrealistic. Because as you said further down, sci-fi is based on "speculative science". It's just speculation. The chance that it will actually happen the same way is basically 0, which in turn makes in unrealistic. The only reason you declare it as realistic is because most of that sort of fictitious science is incredibly overused in sci-fi movies or series that it has become a norm. Humanity being turned into stone might not be realistic, but humanity being set back into the stone age because of any sort of global catastrophe is certainly a realistic future event. Science fiction is not supposed to show the future world in a realistic way, because you don't know what will be realistic in the future or not. Hell, around 1900 when people were asked what they expected the year 2000 would look like, they thought there would be flying fire fighters. Replace that with flying cars and you have basically what people in the year 2000 might've expected the year 2100 to look like. But I can guarantee you, the future will always look very different than you imagine. Noone could've ever imagined the internet 100 years ago, yet here we are. Most of what's shown in sci-fi shows will probably either never happen or in the very long distant future. So you can't claim any sci-fi show as being realistic, when you don't even know what the future looks like. Planet of the Apes is very realistic and an well known sci fi. There are also interstellar, gravity and so many other great sci fi films and the current trending The Expanse. Atm, I'm thinking you're just talking shit and havent watched a single sci fi show apart from this fake one. Apes are known to be able to use guns if taught. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28258990 nazgual11 said: This was under the assumption that he didnt tell Tsukasa the formula for the cure, but he did. The making it seem like it run away was a unnecessary move since Tsukasa didnt buy it anyway, hence burning the alcohol and preventing Tsukasa from creating an whole new evil adultless civilisation while also letting him die off alone from old age would've been much better. TheEnhancedExe said: Sure, but Senkuu can't simply change what he already did in the past. You're telling me he should be able to look into the future when he was leaving? "Oh Tsukasa will take Yuzuriha hostage and ask me for the formula. So I need to burn the alcohol before we go." Senkuu can't look into the future and he certainly couldn't have anticipated this happening the way it did. He didn't expect the smoke signals and that was essentially why the things didn't end up the way he initially planned. No, i'm simply telling you since he is a genius, he should think of the wider future and plan his actions accordingly, like chess masters do. nazgual11 said: Clearly you dont know the definition because the definition on wikipedia is as follows: Science fiction (sometimes called Sci-Fi or simply SF) is a genre of speculative fiction that has been called the "literature of ideas". It typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, time travel, parallel universes, fictional worlds, space exploration, and extraterrestrial life. It often explores the potential consequences of scientific innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction None of what is defined on wikipedia is used in Dr Stone at all hence why its not a real sci fi but fantasy. Furthermore, the petrification could be caused by anything, we just dont know hence you cant call it sci fi. Calling something you dont understand sci fi is not how it goes at all. It could be caused by a airborne virus, as stated as one of the possible hypothesis by Senku therefore not a sci fi. TheEnhancedExe said: Sci-Fi doesn't only include the things you mentioned. Those are just examples given for sci-fi. It literally say "such as" which basically means "for example". Fictitious global catastrophes in the future or an alternate timeline also count under sci-fi. That's exactly why the movie "2012" is also considered sci-fi. Dr. Stone falls under the same category as 2012. Sci-Fi is anything that has to do with fictitious science in the future or an alternate timeline of earth that doesn't involve magic or fantasy creatures. A show is only fantasy once it involves fantasy creatures, a fantasy world and/or magic which is why Harry Potter is fantasy although it is on earth. Gintama for example is sci-fi despite having lots of completely unrealistic stuff added to the stuff you see in lots of sci-fi movies on top of aliens, other planets and modern stuff being mixed with Edo period Japan. Idk if you watched Gintama, but Sorachi (the mangaka of Gintama) basically made it into a universe where he could add whatever he wanted, whether it made sense or not. He could suddenly turn his main characters into screw drivers with no scientific explanation given as to how that even worked just for the luls. It's essentially one big parody, yet if you watch it, you can't deny it's obviously sci-fi because of aliens and space theme mixed with modern stuff and Edo period Japan. It's the best example I can give why sci-fi isn't supposed to be realistic. And honestly, does it say anywhere in the definition you sent me that sci-fi is supposed to be realistic or try to be realistic in all aspects? There's literally nothing sci fi like in Dr Stone, NOTHING apart from the petrification. The rest of the setting is a post apocalystic destruction of human society and even the cause of the pertrification is debateable and its unlikely we'll learn about the cause of it until the end of the series because its a shounen and they like dragging things out. Starting from the stone age again and rebuilding civilisation using modern knowledge of chemistry, physics and other science related stuff does not make it a sci fi at all unless it builds upon it and creates something new with science, such as star wars or interstellar. Instead, what we have is Senku following history and doing what humans in the past did hence creating nothing new and therefore not an Sci fi but an fantasy/post apocalypse of an character trying to build back to the modern age and restoring civilisation. |
nazgual11Aug 11, 2019 5:13 PM
Aug 11, 2019 6:34 PM
#136
Another good episode. Wow! Yes, there was a big surprise. I expected it, but I'm glad Senku could revive. So, from this point, Senku, Taiju and Yuzuriha will take different directions, each with an important mission. The most shocking part of the episode was the appearance of Kohaku, and the fact that she is very likely to be a descendant of the revived; If that is true, then it means that Senku is not the first person to revive. This left me speechless. I can't wait for the next episode. By the way, I loved Kohaku. She looks like a warrior and has a righteous spirit. Will she be Senku's first love? It would be great, hahaha. Ps: I like it when they mention great characters in history and science, in this case, Albert Einstein and Archimedes. |
Aug 11, 2019 7:12 PM
#137
Pulley and girl obtained through the power of science |
Aug 11, 2019 7:30 PM
#138
This show is so exciting! I'm thrilled. Overdramatic as all get out. But EXCITING. Glad we got confirmation that the new people are children of the old revived. Now just to find out HOW |
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Aug 12, 2019 12:00 AM
#139
OP after a 9 minutes intro? Odd but ok... Entertaining episode overall. The first half with Senkuu and his theories about the petrification were pretty interesting to hear and the second one had me pretty intrigued in this new character, Kohaku (aren't her eyes a bit too far apart tho?) who seems to have been born directly in this new Stone Age. Honestly, the idea of people already living in this age for generations before Senkuu and co. woke up is way too interesting so I hope the next episodes can develop this approach with further depth. |
SouthRzVaAug 12, 2019 12:05 AM
Aug 12, 2019 12:11 AM
#140
nazgual11 said: nazgual11 said: Its not changing the topic at all, I was on the topic of identifying plot holes/plot armour that make the show unrealistic hence not a topic change. How can a show be an good sci fi series if it doesnt follow the rules of the modern world and the laws of science? if it doesnt, and it certainly does not as mentioned in my previous post in certain aspects, it may as well be a fantasty. TheEnhancedExe said: I can't remember that trying to identify plot holes/plot armour was ever a topic in our discussion, just that you claimed to have found a plot hole that in reality was just a really minor plot convenience. And tbh, plot conveniences and plot armour happens in basically every anime to some extent. In this case it doesn't make the anime worse, because the anime isn't supposed to be realistic in those aspects anyways. Also, how is it not following the laws of science in the example I gave? I literally just stated that the trial and error process is just skipped. Basically if you were to do a science experiment and it succeeded at the 10th try, it was as if your 9 prior fails get skipped and never happened. However your 10th try that succeeded is still following the laws of science. I mentioned plot holes/armour of Dr stone in my first post and you replied to it hence it was part of the discussion. TheEnhancedExe said: Also, since when is sci-fi supposed to be realistic and follow the laws of science completely? As I said, it's called science-fiction. It is fiction, meaning it's not supposed to be realistic or is Star Wars supposed to be realistic in your eyes? Dr. Stone tries to follow the laws of science as much as possible whenever Senkuu builds sth. I've been reading the manga since chapter 1 dropped and so far everything Senkuu has built has been explained with real life science. Whether you can actually built these things in practice is up to debate, but in theory you can. So it is following real life science, even if just in theory. From the way you write I'm guessing you're an anime only and since this is an episode discussion, I won't go further into detail so I don't spoil anyone here. All I can say is that in the manga every bit of science has been explained based on scientific experiments/achievements that were done in real life. Just that it might not work the same way with the materials they used in the manga. It's still following scientific laws though and even if it doesn't work in reality, it's still in the realms of sci-fi, because science fiction is fictitious science, meaning it's not supposed to work exactly the same in real life. Fantasy on the other hand requires some kind of fantasy world with either fantasy creatures or magic which simply doesn't exist here. Of course sci fi should be based on reality, if isnt based loosely or otherwise on the laws of our modern physical world, it would be fantasy. Also, here is a more targeted defintion of sci fi on wikipedia that states sci fi would be based on logic and realism to a degree: "Isaac Asimov said: "Science fiction can be defined as that branch of literature which deals with the reaction of human beings to changes in science and technology."[4] According to Robert A. Heinlein, "A handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method." And before you mention "changes in science and technology" means Dr Stone is a sci fi because we downgraded to stone age, no because it is an post apocalystic event by starting from 0 and isnt related to future events at all. nazgual11 said: Nope, its plainly obvious if you know history like me, that reads a lot about medical age and i only do so as an hobby with no qualifications, the muskets were used in the late dark ages that it is the closest significant technological advantage and a very simple one since the chinese used gun powder in 1100, which means its quite easy to make since it was a thousands years ago and still could be produced in massive scale. nazgual11 said: Having an interest in chemistry and knowing the formulas that make up a well known component that is even used today, not the ratios, is not that hard to learn or know, you literally google it. Thank you for telling me sth I already knew. Just that I was never interested in what gun powder consists of, so I didn't google it until our discussion. TheEnhancedExe said: But I guess you contradicted yourself here because in your earlier post you claimed Tsukasa couldn't have spent time to learn chemistry and now you basically admitted that he googled it. And again I doubt it is tought in school because why should they teach how to make gun powder. And if you look at it realistically, why should the only thing about chemistry he learns just happen to be what gun powder consists of or where to find it. This in return proves he is well versed in chemistry, because the chance that the only thing about chemistry he looked up just happened to be gun powder is basically 0. So I guess you just admitted that Tsukasa is knowledgable in chemistry. Taking an interest and googling something does not mean they are well versed in a subject that they have enough foundation as Senku does. I take an interest in history and the middle ages but would i say i'm well versed in that as much as someone who took chemistry lessons in high school and an degree? no, I would not. I would never compare a few hundred hrs of watching documentary and self learning with someone with a thousand hours of further reading and hundreds of hours of lessons taught by Professors with Phds and masters per year x3 . nazgual11 said: Even though it is sci fi, which i disagree with, it should be realistic because thats what makes an good sci fi show. TheEnhancedExe said: Pls name me one realistic sci-fi show. Whatever show you name me is most certainly going to be unrealistic. Because as you said further down, sci-fi is based on "speculative science". It's just speculation. The chance that it will actually happen the same way is basically 0, which in turn makes in unrealistic. The only reason you declare it as realistic is because most of that sort of fictitious science is incredibly overused in sci-fi movies or series that it has become a norm. Humanity being turned into stone might not be realistic, but humanity being set back into the stone age because of any sort of global catastrophe is certainly a realistic future event. Science fiction is not supposed to show the future world in a realistic way, because you don't know what will be realistic in the future or not. Hell, around 1900 when people were asked what they expected the year 2000 would look like, they thought there would be flying fire fighters. Replace that with flying cars and you have basically what people in the year 2000 might've expected the year 2100 to look like. But I can guarantee you, the future will always look very different than you imagine. Noone could've ever imagined the internet 100 years ago, yet here we are. Most of what's shown in sci-fi shows will probably either never happen or in the very long distant future. So you can't claim any sci-fi show as being realistic, when you don't even know what the future looks like. Planet of the Apes is very realistic and an well known sci fi. There are also interstellar, gravity and so many other great sci fi films and the current trending The Expanse. Atm, I'm thinking you're just talking shit and havent watched a single sci fi show apart from this fake one. Apes are known to be able to use guns if taught. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28258990 nazgual11 said: This was under the assumption that he didnt tell Tsukasa the formula for the cure, but he did. The making it seem like it run away was a unnecessary move since Tsukasa didnt buy it anyway, hence burning the alcohol and preventing Tsukasa from creating an whole new evil adultless civilisation while also letting him die off alone from old age would've been much better. TheEnhancedExe said: Sure, but Senkuu can't simply change what he already did in the past. You're telling me he should be able to look into the future when he was leaving? "Oh Tsukasa will take Yuzuriha hostage and ask me for the formula. So I need to burn the alcohol before we go." Senkuu can't look into the future and he certainly couldn't have anticipated this happening the way it did. He didn't expect the smoke signals and that was essentially why the things didn't end up the way he initially planned. No, i'm simply telling you since he is a genius, he should think of the wider future and plan his actions accordingly, like chess masters do. nazgual11 said: Clearly you dont know the definition because the definition on wikipedia is as follows: Science fiction (sometimes called Sci-Fi or simply SF) is a genre of speculative fiction that has been called the "literature of ideas". It typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, time travel, parallel universes, fictional worlds, space exploration, and extraterrestrial life. It often explores the potential consequences of scientific innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction None of what is defined on wikipedia is used in Dr Stone at all hence why its not a real sci fi but fantasy. Furthermore, the petrification could be caused by anything, we just dont know hence you cant call it sci fi. Calling something you dont understand sci fi is not how it goes at all. It could be caused by a airborne virus, as stated as one of the possible hypothesis by Senku therefore not a sci fi. TheEnhancedExe said: Sci-Fi doesn't only include the things you mentioned. Those are just examples given for sci-fi. It literally say "such as" which basically means "for example". Fictitious global catastrophes in the future or an alternate timeline also count under sci-fi. That's exactly why the movie "2012" is also considered sci-fi. Dr. Stone falls under the same category as 2012. Sci-Fi is anything that has to do with fictitious science in the future or an alternate timeline of earth that doesn't involve magic or fantasy creatures. A show is only fantasy once it involves fantasy creatures, a fantasy world and/or magic which is why Harry Potter is fantasy although it is on earth. Gintama for example is sci-fi despite having lots of completely unrealistic stuff added to the stuff you see in lots of sci-fi movies on top of aliens, other planets and modern stuff being mixed with Edo period Japan. Idk if you watched Gintama, but Sorachi (the mangaka of Gintama) basically made it into a universe where he could add whatever he wanted, whether it made sense or not. He could suddenly turn his main characters into screw drivers with no scientific explanation given as to how that even worked just for the luls. It's essentially one big parody, yet if you watch it, you can't deny it's obviously sci-fi because of aliens and space theme mixed with modern stuff and Edo period Japan. It's the best example I can give why sci-fi isn't supposed to be realistic. And honestly, does it say anywhere in the definition you sent me that sci-fi is supposed to be realistic or try to be realistic in all aspects? There's literally nothing sci fi like in Dr Stone, NOTHING apart from the petrification. The rest of the setting is a post apocalystic destruction of human society and even the cause of the pertrification is debateable and its unlikely we'll learn about the cause of it until the end of the series because its a shounen and they like dragging things out. Starting from the stone age again and rebuilding civilisation using modern knowledge of chemistry, physics and other science related stuff does not make it a sci fi at all unless it builds upon it and creates something new with science, such as star wars or interstellar. Instead, what we have is Senku following history and doing what humans in the past did hence creating nothing new and therefore not an Sci fi but an fantasy/post apocalypse of an character trying to build back to the modern age and restoring civilisation. First of all, I literally stated that you mentioned plot holes, yet it wasn't a point of discussion for about two posts. Sounds kinda like you haven't even read that paragraph in its entirety. I don't see how Planet of Apes is realistic. The google definition of realism literally states that it needs to be true to life, basically possible in real life. And as long as noone made sth work the same way in real life, it's not realistic. Realistic speculation is pretty subjective because everyone sees sth else as a realistic speculation. If talking apes is seen as a realistic speculation, a post apocalistic event is just as realistic. Plus Asimov is has long been dead and the sci-fi genre has since evolved way further beyond what it was back then. Genres tend to evolve over time. Other than that, you're basically ignoring most of my key arguments again, just like you have done in your previous posts. For example you've been ignoring my statement that the movie "2012" is a sci-fi movie despite being post apocalyptic like Dr. Stone. Science doesn't only involve scientific inventions, it also involves natural phenomena because they can be explained by science. And you even admitted that the petrification is fictitious science. Look at modern sci-fi hero movies like Avengers, etc. Tbf, I haven't seen most of these kind of movies, but the ones I've seen have not been realistic at all, yet they're sci-fi. They all contradict the quotes you mentioned and are all considered sci-fi, because what you quotes is decades old and long outdated. Also, you've ignored that I read the manga and pretty much know what happens all the way until the current chapter in the manga. And most of the science is trying to be as accurate to reality as possible and is more realistic than a lot of stuff in modern sci-fi movies. Or do you honestly believe super heroes are more realistic. This was my last post in our discussion. |
Aug 12, 2019 3:19 AM
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TheEnhancedExe said: nazgual11 said: nazgual11 said: Its not changing the topic at all, I was on the topic of identifying plot holes/plot armour that make the show unrealistic hence not a topic change. How can a show be an good sci fi series if it doesnt follow the rules of the modern world and the laws of science? if it doesnt, and it certainly does not as mentioned in my previous post in certain aspects, it may as well be a fantasty. TheEnhancedExe said: I can't remember that trying to identify plot holes/plot armour was ever a topic in our discussion, just that you claimed to have found a plot hole that in reality was just a really minor plot convenience. And tbh, plot conveniences and plot armour happens in basically every anime to some extent. In this case it doesn't make the anime worse, because the anime isn't supposed to be realistic in those aspects anyways. Also, how is it not following the laws of science in the example I gave? I literally just stated that the trial and error process is just skipped. Basically if you were to do a science experiment and it succeeded at the 10th try, it was as if your 9 prior fails get skipped and never happened. However your 10th try that succeeded is still following the laws of science. I mentioned plot holes/armour of Dr stone in my first post and you replied to it hence it was part of the discussion. TheEnhancedExe said: Also, since when is sci-fi supposed to be realistic and follow the laws of science completely? As I said, it's called science-fiction. It is fiction, meaning it's not supposed to be realistic or is Star Wars supposed to be realistic in your eyes? Dr. Stone tries to follow the laws of science as much as possible whenever Senkuu builds sth. I've been reading the manga since chapter 1 dropped and so far everything Senkuu has built has been explained with real life science. Whether you can actually built these things in practice is up to debate, but in theory you can. So it is following real life science, even if just in theory. From the way you write I'm guessing you're an anime only and since this is an episode discussion, I won't go further into detail so I don't spoil anyone here. All I can say is that in the manga every bit of science has been explained based on scientific experiments/achievements that were done in real life. Just that it might not work the same way with the materials they used in the manga. It's still following scientific laws though and even if it doesn't work in reality, it's still in the realms of sci-fi, because science fiction is fictitious science, meaning it's not supposed to work exactly the same in real life. Fantasy on the other hand requires some kind of fantasy world with either fantasy creatures or magic which simply doesn't exist here. Of course sci fi should be based on reality, if isnt based loosely or otherwise on the laws of our modern physical world, it would be fantasy. Also, here is a more targeted defintion of sci fi on wikipedia that states sci fi would be based on logic and realism to a degree: "Isaac Asimov said: "Science fiction can be defined as that branch of literature which deals with the reaction of human beings to changes in science and technology."[4] According to Robert A. Heinlein, "A handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method." And before you mention "changes in science and technology" means Dr Stone is a sci fi because we downgraded to stone age, no because it is an post apocalystic event by starting from 0 and isnt related to future events at all. nazgual11 said: Nope, its plainly obvious if you know history like me, that reads a lot about medical age and i only do so as an hobby with no qualifications, the muskets were used in the late dark ages that it is the closest significant technological advantage and a very simple one since the chinese used gun powder in 1100, which means its quite easy to make since it was a thousands years ago and still could be produced in massive scale. nazgual11 said: Having an interest in chemistry and knowing the formulas that make up a well known component that is even used today, not the ratios, is not that hard to learn or know, you literally google it. Thank you for telling me sth I already knew. Just that I was never interested in what gun powder consists of, so I didn't google it until our discussion. TheEnhancedExe said: But I guess you contradicted yourself here because in your earlier post you claimed Tsukasa couldn't have spent time to learn chemistry and now you basically admitted that he googled it. And again I doubt it is tought in school because why should they teach how to make gun powder. And if you look at it realistically, why should the only thing about chemistry he learns just happen to be what gun powder consists of or where to find it. This in return proves he is well versed in chemistry, because the chance that the only thing about chemistry he looked up just happened to be gun powder is basically 0. So I guess you just admitted that Tsukasa is knowledgable in chemistry. Taking an interest and googling something does not mean they are well versed in a subject that they have enough foundation as Senku does. I take an interest in history and the middle ages but would i say i'm well versed in that as much as someone who took chemistry lessons in high school and an degree? no, I would not. I would never compare a few hundred hrs of watching documentary and self learning with someone with a thousand hours of further reading and hundreds of hours of lessons taught by Professors with Phds and masters per year x3 . nazgual11 said: Even though it is sci fi, which i disagree with, it should be realistic because thats what makes an good sci fi show. TheEnhancedExe said: Pls name me one realistic sci-fi show. Whatever show you name me is most certainly going to be unrealistic. Because as you said further down, sci-fi is based on "speculative science". It's just speculation. The chance that it will actually happen the same way is basically 0, which in turn makes in unrealistic. The only reason you declare it as realistic is because most of that sort of fictitious science is incredibly overused in sci-fi movies or series that it has become a norm. Humanity being turned into stone might not be realistic, but humanity being set back into the stone age because of any sort of global catastrophe is certainly a realistic future event. Science fiction is not supposed to show the future world in a realistic way, because you don't know what will be realistic in the future or not. Hell, around 1900 when people were asked what they expected the year 2000 would look like, they thought there would be flying fire fighters. Replace that with flying cars and you have basically what people in the year 2000 might've expected the year 2100 to look like. But I can guarantee you, the future will always look very different than you imagine. Noone could've ever imagined the internet 100 years ago, yet here we are. Most of what's shown in sci-fi shows will probably either never happen or in the very long distant future. So you can't claim any sci-fi show as being realistic, when you don't even know what the future looks like. Planet of the Apes is very realistic and an well known sci fi. There are also interstellar, gravity and so many other great sci fi films and the current trending The Expanse. Atm, I'm thinking you're just talking shit and havent watched a single sci fi show apart from this fake one. Apes are known to be able to use guns if taught. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28258990 nazgual11 said: This was under the assumption that he didnt tell Tsukasa the formula for the cure, but he did. The making it seem like it run away was a unnecessary move since Tsukasa didnt buy it anyway, hence burning the alcohol and preventing Tsukasa from creating an whole new evil adultless civilisation while also letting him die off alone from old age would've been much better. TheEnhancedExe said: Sure, but Senkuu can't simply change what he already did in the past. You're telling me he should be able to look into the future when he was leaving? "Oh Tsukasa will take Yuzuriha hostage and ask me for the formula. So I need to burn the alcohol before we go." Senkuu can't look into the future and he certainly couldn't have anticipated this happening the way it did. He didn't expect the smoke signals and that was essentially why the things didn't end up the way he initially planned. No, i'm simply telling you since he is a genius, he should think of the wider future and plan his actions accordingly, like chess masters do. nazgual11 said: Clearly you dont know the definition because the definition on wikipedia is as follows: Science fiction (sometimes called Sci-Fi or simply SF) is a genre of speculative fiction that has been called the "literature of ideas". It typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, time travel, parallel universes, fictional worlds, space exploration, and extraterrestrial life. It often explores the potential consequences of scientific innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction None of what is defined on wikipedia is used in Dr Stone at all hence why its not a real sci fi but fantasy. Furthermore, the petrification could be caused by anything, we just dont know hence you cant call it sci fi. Calling something you dont understand sci fi is not how it goes at all. It could be caused by a airborne virus, as stated as one of the possible hypothesis by Senku therefore not a sci fi. TheEnhancedExe said: Sci-Fi doesn't only include the things you mentioned. Those are just examples given for sci-fi. It literally say "such as" which basically means "for example". Fictitious global catastrophes in the future or an alternate timeline also count under sci-fi. That's exactly why the movie "2012" is also considered sci-fi. Dr. Stone falls under the same category as 2012. Sci-Fi is anything that has to do with fictitious science in the future or an alternate timeline of earth that doesn't involve magic or fantasy creatures. A show is only fantasy once it involves fantasy creatures, a fantasy world and/or magic which is why Harry Potter is fantasy although it is on earth. Gintama for example is sci-fi despite having lots of completely unrealistic stuff added to the stuff you see in lots of sci-fi movies on top of aliens, other planets and modern stuff being mixed with Edo period Japan. Idk if you watched Gintama, but Sorachi (the mangaka of Gintama) basically made it into a universe where he could add whatever he wanted, whether it made sense or not. He could suddenly turn his main characters into screw drivers with no scientific explanation given as to how that even worked just for the luls. It's essentially one big parody, yet if you watch it, you can't deny it's obviously sci-fi because of aliens and space theme mixed with modern stuff and Edo period Japan. It's the best example I can give why sci-fi isn't supposed to be realistic. And honestly, does it say anywhere in the definition you sent me that sci-fi is supposed to be realistic or try to be realistic in all aspects? There's literally nothing sci fi like in Dr Stone, NOTHING apart from the petrification. The rest of the setting is a post apocalystic destruction of human society and even the cause of the pertrification is debateable and its unlikely we'll learn about the cause of it until the end of the series because its a shounen and they like dragging things out. Starting from the stone age again and rebuilding civilisation using modern knowledge of chemistry, physics and other science related stuff does not make it a sci fi at all unless it builds upon it and creates something new with science, such as star wars or interstellar. Instead, what we have is Senku following history and doing what humans in the past did hence creating nothing new and therefore not an Sci fi but an fantasy/post apocalypse of an character trying to build back to the modern age and restoring civilisation. First of all, I literally stated that you mentioned plot holes, yet it wasn't a point of discussion for about two posts. Sounds kinda like you haven't even read that paragraph in its entirety. I don't see how Planet of Apes is realistic. The google definition of realism literally states that it needs to be true to life, basically possible in real life. And as long as noone made sth work the same way in real life, it's not realistic. Realistic speculation is pretty subjective because everyone sees sth else as a realistic speculation. If talking apes is seen as a realistic speculation, a post apocalistic event is just as realistic. Plus Asimov is has long been dead and the sci-fi genre has since evolved way further beyond what it was back then. Genres tend to evolve over time. Other than that, you're basically ignoring most of my key arguments again, just like you have done in your previous posts. For example you've been ignoring my statement that the movie "2012" is a sci-fi movie despite being post apocalyptic like Dr. Stone. Science doesn't only involve scientific inventions, it also involves natural phenomena because they can be explained by science. And you even admitted that the petrification is fictitious science. Look at modern sci-fi hero movies like Avengers, etc. Tbf, I haven't seen most of these kind of movies, but the ones I've seen have not been realistic at all, yet they're sci-fi. They all contradict the quotes you mentioned and are all considered sci-fi, because what you quotes is decades old and long outdated. Also, you've ignored that I read the manga and pretty much know what happens all the way until the current chapter in the manga. And most of the science is trying to be as accurate to reality as possible and is more realistic than a lot of stuff in modern sci-fi movies. Or do you honestly believe super heroes are more realistic. This was my last post in our discussion. What are you on about? Plot holes/armour have been my topic of dicussion throughout my posts since the beginning, middle and end. Marvel movies are not just sci fi, they are supernatural/super powers with sci fi added to them so of course its not very realistic, especially since its based on a comic targeted towards teenagers, like this manga is targeted towards kids hence not realistic. 2012 is based on natural disaster but you are claiming petrification is also an natural disaster? lol. Its clearly not because we have never witnessed such an massive disaster in our real world. Also, planet of the apes is realistic to a degree because viruses and improving the intelligence of apes are not impossible and i also mentioned interstellar and gravity, which you clearly ignored too...as have the many key points i mentinoed in my other posts such as the science used to make the cure. |
nazgual11Aug 12, 2019 3:41 AM
Aug 12, 2019 4:22 AM
#142
Finally, KOHAKU, the BEST GIRL of this series was introduced. She is by far my favorite female character, way more than Yuzuriha and anyone else who will be introduced from this point. |
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Aug 12, 2019 7:23 AM
#143
nazgual11 said: What are you on about? Plot holes/armour have been my topic of dicussion throughout my posts since the beginning, middle and end. You mentioned the word plot hole once during your first post to which I responded and didn't use it a single time in the next three posts. The first time you talked about plot armour was in your third post. If you don't use the word plot hole for three consecutive posts of yours, then of course I'm assuming it isn't a point of discussion. If it was, you would've used the term at least once in your arguments yet you didn't. So I concluded it wasn't a topic of discussion anymore. nazgual11 said: 2012 is based on natural disaster but you are claiming petrification is also an natural disaster? lol. Its clearly not because we have never witnessed such an massive disaster in our real world. Also, planet of the apes is realistic to a degree because viruses and improving the intelligence of apes are not impossible and i also mentioned interstellar and gravity, which you clearly ignored too...as have the many key points i mentinoed in my other posts such as the science used to make the cure. Quote me where I said petrification was a natural desaster. I said both of them lead to a similar situation, a post apocalyptic world where humans have to start from the beginning. Just that the petrification is obviously less realistic. It still goes against what you said earlier that science fiction needs to have stuff like aliens, time travel, space exploration or the sort. Also sorry, I actually overread the part about the other movies because I was writing the post at work. I also never claimed to have watched many sci-fi movies simply because I'm not a fan of live action movies or series. Still just as well, you still haven't answered on my remark that Gintama is obviously sci-fi and so is Boku no Hero Academia. And if both of those are sci-fi, Dr. Stone is obviously as well. Plus we're literally comparing live action to manga/anime the whole time. Of course live action is a lot more realistic than comics. Pick any genre and it will look different in live action compared to animated because animated series have way more freedom than live action. That's one of the main reason why so many live action adaptations of anime failed in the past. I should've probably said it a lot earlier, but you can't expect live action sci-fi to be the exact same as sci-fi in anime or manga. Also, there isn't one kind of sci-fi, there are countless subgenres. Plus, you aren't the one who defines what a genre looks like in a certain medium. There are capable people at shueisha (the publisher of Weekly Shounen Jump where Dr. Stone gets serialized) who decided that Dr. Stone is a sci-fi manga. And these are professional editors who have been working in the industry for years, so they probably know a lot better than you. I have pretty much tried to answer to each and every one of your arguments until my last two posts that became way too time consuming so I decided to stop wasting my time and answer each and every single point in your post. Which is why I didn't answer the last point about the science on the cure on purpose. I mean why should I, since I intended to end the discussion at that point. I wasn't even planning to answer this post. But since you claimed I said things that I never said, I justified myself. I might have missed one or two arguments you made in some of your posts while you ignored at least half of my arguments and it felt like you hadn't even read the entire post. I know you still won't accept Dr. Stone as sci-fi even after this and I've long given up the hope of trying to convince you. So keep living in your own reality and deny that Dr. Stone is sci-fi. I just don't like it when people act like they know better when they barely know a show at all. I've said it countless times, I'm up to date on the manga and have been following this series for 2.5 years. And the stuff that happens from here on out is far more realistic than the early parts of the anime and the manga. No anime only watcher actually knows what Dr. Stone really is like throughout the majority of the manga because the actual show doesn't start until next episode. What's happened up until now has just been the prologue and has completely different story writing from the rest of the manga. I mean, I can't blame you for expecting the rest of the show to look the same as it did so far. That still doesn't justify that you act like you know better than someone who has been following the series for years. If I could I would list countless things that Senkuu reinvents throughout the series, but as said in an earlier post, I don't want to spoil anyone. That's really my last post now, only wanted to point these things out since I should've done so way earlier in our discussion. |
Aug 12, 2019 7:48 AM
#144
TheEnhancedExe said: nazgual11 said: What are you on about? Plot holes/armour have been my topic of dicussion throughout my posts since the beginning, middle and end. You mentioned the word plot hole once during your first post to which I responded and didn't use it a single time in the next three posts. The first time you talked about plot armour was in your third post. If you don't use the word plot hole for three consecutive posts of yours, then of course I'm assuming it isn't a point of discussion. If it was, you would've used the term at least once in your arguments yet you didn't. So I concluded it wasn't a topic of discussion anymore. nazgual11 said: 2012 is based on natural disaster but you are claiming petrification is also an natural disaster? lol. Its clearly not because we have never witnessed such an massive disaster in our real world. Also, planet of the apes is realistic to a degree because viruses and improving the intelligence of apes are not impossible and i also mentioned interstellar and gravity, which you clearly ignored too...as have the many key points i mentinoed in my other posts such as the science used to make the cure. Quote me where I said petrification was a natural desaster. I said both of them lead to a similar situation, a post apocalyptic world where humans have to start from the beginning. Just that the petrification is obviously less realistic. It still goes against what you said earlier that science fiction needs to have stuff like aliens, time travel, space exploration or the sort. Also sorry, I actually overread the part about the other movies because I was writing the post at work. I also never claimed to have watched many sci-fi movies simply because I'm not a fan of live action movies or series. Still just as well, you still haven't answered on my remark that Gintama is obviously sci-fi and so is Boku no Hero Academia. And if both of those are sci-fi, Dr. Stone is obviously as well. Plus we're literally comparing live action to manga/anime the whole time. Of course live action is a lot more realistic than comics. Pick any genre and it will look different in live action compared to animated because animated series have way more freedom than live action. That's one of the main reason why so many live action adaptations of anime failed in the past. I should've probably said it a lot earlier, but you can't expect live action sci-fi to be the exact same as sci-fi in anime or manga. Also, there isn't one kind of sci-fi, there are countless subgenres. Plus, you aren't the one who defines what a genre looks like in a certain medium. There are capable people at shueisha (the publisher of Weekly Shounen Jump where Dr. Stone gets serialized) who decided that Dr. Stone is a sci-fi manga. And these are professional editors who have been working in the industry for years, so they probably know a lot better than you. I have pretty much tried to answer to each and every one of your arguments until my last two posts that became way too time consuming so I decided to stop wasting my time and answer each and every single point in your post. Which is why I didn't answer the last point about the science on the cure on purpose. I mean why should I, since I intended to end the discussion at that point. I wasn't even planning to answer this post. But since you claimed I said things that I never said, I justified myself. I might have missed one or two arguments you made in some of your posts while you ignored at least half of my arguments and it felt like you hadn't even read the entire post. I know you still won't accept Dr. Stone as sci-fi even after this and I've long given up the hope of trying to convince you. So keep living in your own reality and deny that Dr. Stone is sci-fi. I just don't like it when people act like they know better when they barely know a show at all. I've said it countless times, I'm up to date on the manga and have been following this series for 2.5 years. And the stuff that happens from here on out is far more realistic than the early parts of the anime and the manga. No anime only watcher actually knows what Dr. Stone really is like throughout the majority of the manga because the actual show doesn't start until next episode. What's happened up until now has just been the prologue and has completely different story writing from the rest of the manga. I mean, I can't blame you for expecting the rest of the show to look the same as it did so far. That still doesn't justify that you act like you know better than someone who has been following the series for years. If I could I would list countless things that Senkuu reinvents throughout the series, but as said in an earlier post, I don't want to spoil anyone. That's really my last post now, only wanted to point these things out since I should've done so way earlier in our discussion. I'm saying its not a sci fi based on watching 6 episodes, hence why its in the correct part of the forum. I will of course change my mind if something Sci fi like happens within the 24 episodes of this series. |
Aug 12, 2019 7:56 AM
#145
My favorite episode so far. I read the Manga so I can say that it really gets better with time. |
Aug 12, 2019 8:37 AM
#146
TITLE DROP Oh, the title makes sense now! I was picturing like a stone age doctor or a guy named Stone who is a doctor, but it's actually "a stone with healing properties" - a "doctor" stone. And I love Kohaku already. Thank BONES it's gonna be 24 episodes. |
Aug 12, 2019 9:44 AM
#147
vanetz said: TITLE DROP Oh, the title makes sense now! I was picturing like a stone age doctor or a guy named Stone who is a doctor, but it's actually "a stone with healing properties" - a "doctor" stone. And I love Kohaku already. Thank BONES it's gonna be 24 episodes. Bones isn't doing this. |
Aug 12, 2019 10:31 AM
#148
Really good episode. Kohaku is finally introduced. |
Aug 12, 2019 11:34 AM
#149
Interesting to finally see a character from the new world, she's pretty cute too. |
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