Attack on Titan
| I have a question for manga readers. Is the big payoff the one where or is it something different. I just wanna know if I have something to look forward to (that i don't know). |
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| Saw this on weibo... i think this depicts Mappa situations well enough... (Translations) Only 2 episodes out.... Mappa use CGI Fans : why you cut corners? you lazy people, at least try hand draw the titans, i want 2D sakuga fight scenes Mappa use Rotoscope (need lots of sakuga work here & yes it's 2D & handrawn) Fans: why use rotoscope?? this is weird and unfit, why do unnecessary stuff when you are not even good at it Mappa work to give movie quality of animation Fans : this is a freaking anime, why you make it like real movie?? it feels different now!! should have stick to anime way of production...you totally ruined it Mappa use the same scriptwriter as previous seasons in pacing control Fans : why you cut off scenes???? the pacing is so bad so rush now, i see no character build ups....WIT done it so much better Mappa has Isayama, the author to supervise the adaptation Fans: why you add those original scenes? should have follow the manga faithfully, you ruined aot series Mappa:  |
hinako49Dec 14, 2020 3:38 AM
hinako49 said: Saw this on weibo... i think this depicts Mappa situations well enough... (Translations) Only 2 episodes out.... Mappa use CGI Fans : why you cut corners? you lazy people, at least try hand draw the titans, i want 2D sakuga fight scenes Mappa use Rotoscope (need lots of sakuga work here & yes it's 2D & handrawn) Fans: why use rotoscope?? this is weird and unfit, why do unnecessary stuff when you are not even good at it Mappa work to give movie quality of animation Fans : this is a freaking anime, why you make it like real movie?? it feels different now!! should have stick to anime way of production...you totally ruined it Mappa use the same scriptwriter as previous seasons in pacing control Fans : why you cut off scenes???? the pacing is so bad so rush now, i see no character build ups....WIT done it so much better Mappa has Isayama, the author to supervise the adaptation Fans: why you add those original scenes? should have follow the manga faithfully, you ruined aot series Mappa: i would agree in the first two,instead of rotoscoping they could have added some of the cut scenes,and it wouldn't be jarring |
hinako49 said: Saw this on weibo... i think this depicts Mappa situations well enough... (Translations) Only 2 episodes out.... Mappa use CGI Fans : why you cut corners? you lazy people, at least try hand draw the titans, i want 2D sakuga fight scenes Mappa use Rotoscope (need lots of sakuga work here & yes it's 2D & handrawn) Fans: why use rotoscope?? this is weird and unfit, why do unnecessary stuff when you are not even good at it Mappa work to give movie quality of animation Fans : this is a freaking anime, why you make it like real movie?? it feels different now!! should have stick to anime way of production...you totally ruined it Mappa use the same scriptwriter as previous seasons in pacing control Fans : why you cut off scenes???? the pacing is so bad so rush now, i see no character build ups....WIT done it so much better Mappa has Isayama, the author to supervise the adaptation Fans: why you add those original scenes? should have follow the manga faithfully, you ruined aot series Mappa: I think AOT fandom has began to be even more toxic than MHA fandom. Im 100% sure that even they animated every frame, make every scene with amazing choreography, pefectly set OSTs the fans will never accept that MAPPA gave their 110% of Hard work to satisfy us. If some miracle didn't happen i don't fucking know how that ungrateful & stupid fandom would stop whining. Gosh half of the fandom are already looking forward for the next episodes and likes the animation, but the other half will never be satisfied. In this fandom is like Civil War. |
Zprotu said: chiearlymorning said: that character acting was epic lmaoooooo but they really got to stop using that blur filter tho It was used properly IMO. look at this,this would be a great background if the blur didn't erase every detail in the picture  |
hinako49 said: Saw this on weibo... i think this depicts Mappa situations well enough... (Translations) Only 2 episodes out.... Mappa use CGI Fans : why you cut corners? you lazy people, at least try hand draw the titans, i want 2D sakuga fight scenes Mappa use Rotoscope (need lots of sakuga work here & yes it's 2D & handrawn) Fans: why use rotoscope?? this is weird and unfit, why do unnecessary stuff when you are not even good at it Mappa work to give movie quality of animation Fans : this is a freaking anime, why you make it like real movie?? it feels different now!! should have stick to anime way of production...you totally ruined it Mappa use the same scriptwriter as previous seasons in pacing control Fans : why you cut off scenes???? the pacing is so bad so rush now, i see no character build ups....WIT done it so much better Mappa has Isayama, the author to supervise the adaptation Fans: why you add those original scenes? should have follow the manga faithfully, you ruined aot series Mappa: |
Damn i can already see that coming...when ep 5 and 6 are out we will probably hit 100+ threads on this forum analyzing each scene frame by frame from all perspectives 😂 |
oh the foreshadowing  |
| With some of these fans, Mappa did not stand a chance even before the first episode had aired.. |
hinako49 said: the content of the complaints are pretty similar to what we saw here on MAL basically about pacing, WIT is better, filter, CGI, character designs, manga reader unhappy, bad rotoscope in character acting and tons of requests asking the staff to change this and that scene in BD...telling him what should be added here and there , what could have been done better etc. etc. 🙄 of course there are many positive & supportive comments and fans are defending the staff too, so it's like a long thread of argument lol but not as bad as mal forum cause most of the negative comments are trolls so they don't reply after leaving their comments ah ok popular anime tends to bring out the best and worst of their fandoms |
keragamming said: With some of these fans, Mappa did not stand a chance even before the first episode had aired.. No,i really have three main complaints.if these were gone i'd enjoy the mappa verison of AOT 1.no CGI ttians 2.no blur at all,i could accept it in the first episode as "dusty arena" kind of thing but as we know and as we have seen it will be in every episode. diminshing the background/character details and just making it foggy mess 3.no rotoscoping,but this seems it would be for this episode only so i don't mind it that much looking back at it,PV was indeed much better. and i (along with many) was only complaining about slight blur back then(and debating about color palette iguess).with many people agreeing on it and saying hayashi would rein her on. Now i don't mind the new color palete as much as i think it fits the season storyline,but bigger things have surfaced and blur has only gotten stronger in some scenes. hinako49 said: Sad7727 said: i would agree in the first two,instead of rotoscoping they could have added some of the cut scenes,and it wouldn't be jarring I actually agreed with you that the rotoscope has some flaws in it, and yes perhaps the staffs could have added more cuts there but the work for rotoscope is really heavy if i m not mistaken.. it's hard to ask them to get to the perfect work like chika's dance animation in such a tight schedule... anyways my post just a sarcastic reflection of fans objecting everything mappa is trying to do here...i am not against people giving criticisms to the work the thing with mappa using rotoscope, is on the argument of 'if you are not perfect at something you shouldn't try it at all?' I'm using 'perfect' instead of 'good' because mappa certainly has surpassed the level of 'good' here even with that flawed rotoscope scenes of Udo and Gabi acting Me too indeed find it weird at my first watch of Udo acting scene.. it's almost like he is exaggerating in motions and the acting style is similar to a theatre play yet his face lack the expressions transitions... but when i rewatch it i find it more interesting as I have never seen so much motions and dynamics in a mere dialogue scene for an anime except for studio ghibli movies loolll...so I assume it's a creative choice by the staffs to approach a movie-like cinematography here though is not done perfectly & I appreciate their choice & efforts put in this... In fact, I think the staffs are being ambitious here....it's like they are telling the audience they will be doing something very different in this season so i am really looking forward to see more creative use of animation technique in the future episodes and overall it doesn't affect my viewing experience that much so it's refreshing to see this new style of work here Anyways this is just my take, i totally agreed with you on the lacks they are having in the rotoscope but I am still down for them trying this technique in the show to give a different feels in animation :D About the filter...my idea is this scene comes from Reiner's POV i think, there's a sunset in front, i assume the camera is focus on the lighting & colour of the sunset reflected on sea (you can see the texture of the sea very well) and the blur used on characters actually added emotional feels here...it's almost like reiner watching Gabi gang with teary eyes and i think this fits well with the scene and emotions here It was jarring seeing them move in slow motion,it made you think of bad animation anime (and yes i know its not badly animated), i prefer a still detailed shot like reiner ones over rotoscoping. it just made it difficult to concentrate,espeically when zeke was moving in the roof scene. i appericate them trying to make it better. but if something works they shouldn't try to reinvent the wheel... esepically when the effort could be used to a LOT of other stuff needing work. i just see it as waste of effort and time i didn't feel like it was realistic or if i was in theater at all,it doesn't really work with anime in my opinion. its like placing real life people in anime or 2D characters in real life. it just looks jarring and it doesn't work because both are extremely different mediums. Yeah i think the only explanation for that much blur there is as if we're seeing it frm reiner teary eyes lol,but the filter is applied on a lot of scenes/the entire of episodes. so i don't think you can headcanon it like this always. I think mappa animators are doing good work with the backgrounds and character details and to see it just erased of details by this awful film grain/blur filter is just sad. |
hinako49 said: unfortunately i don't see your complaints will be resolved, it's almost confirmed nine titans will be CGI this entire season, blur effects is the signature use of the photographer tho I don't see that as a problem if it is put in the right scene...rotoscope only in this episode? i doubt so, in case you didn't know mappa seems to like creativity and innovation use of animation which is very different from WIT, staff describe WIT as steady and traditional but Mappa is chaotic and adaptive in their working styles and so far the difference reflects well in the work they had done, mappa is constantly experimenting & trying out new things while WIT work things out steadily at safe bet , i wouldn't wanna discuss who's better here whatnot because to me there are just DIFFERENT..just so you know this season wont be what you expect if you are hoping to see similar visuals like WIT work,it's a pity you couldn't enjoy this final season...hope you found some other shows that suit your taste...have a good holiday. Yes i know its confirmed,but im still holding hope somewhat for 2D titan scenes.espeically in critical episodes. yes i don't like Mappa style of animation in AOT,i hate their overrealiance in CGI to cheapen the costs.so im traditional anime fan i guess. i know it will be different,im rereading the specfic chapters and seeing past discussions on it on reddit. the manga is actually good even though i dislike reading mangas over anime. but as i said i'll wait until EP 5-6 then if the fights/hype moments are awful i'll go fully into the manga and treat the anime as mere "extra" instead of the main thing. |
| @Sad7727 None of those are going to be change so its either you adapt to the new changes or..... I don't know. Complaining about the same thing over and over every week, knowing nothing will change is just insanity. i hate their overrealiance in CGI to cheapen the costs Cgi cost more money, its time they don't have. |
keragamming said: @Sad7727 None of those are going to be change so its either you adapt to the new changes or..... I don't know. Complaining about the same thing over and over every week, knowing nothing will change is just insanity. i hate their overrealiance in CGI to cheapen the costs Cgi cost more money, its time they don't have. Im trying to adapt,i actually thought this episode was great aside from the movement and blur in some parts . but i think some part is unable to because im not well acquainted with this new cast. so as i said i will give it more episodes to conclude since the PV is not enough (looking at the PV now is hype) CGI is expensive if used once,but is very cheap if used for an anime season.it would let you keep much more of the profits. Rotoscoping in the other hand if i remember correctly is more expensive. hinako49 said: Sad7727 said: Yes i know its confirmed,but im still holding hope somewhat for 2D titan scenes.espeically in critical episodes. yes i don't like Mappa style of animation in AOT,i hate their overrealiance in CGI to cheapen the costs.so im traditional anime fan i guess. i know it will be different,im rereading the specfic chapters and seeing past discussions on it on reddit. the manga is actually good even though i dislike reading mangas over anime. but as i said i'll wait until EP 5-6 then if the fights/hype moments are awful i'll go fully into the manga and treat the anime as mere "extra" instead of the main thing. Though i dont agree with some of your points here but I understand your choice, yup totally check out the manga if you are dropping the anime anyways, the manga has a different experience, isayama-sensei has very strong story board work, the manga panels are impactful visually with great drawings and I am sure you wont regret reading it when you reach the final arc of the manga, hope you enjoy the reading :) Yeah the panels are great,i feel the emotion through them. one big minus is the sawano OST. but i can run it while reading lol. hopefully we get the best :) |
Blackkatsu001 said: Guys im really worried about the pacing. One episode isn't sufficient at all to adapt all reiner's flashback, especially when leakers are saying declaration of war will happen in ep5. One episode is more than enough, hence why the rearrangement in the first place. They rearrange the scenes to make next episode a all flashback episode. Next episode will adapt the rest of chapter 94 which is about 16 pages, all of chapter 95 which is 45 pages and 5 pages of chapter 97, with probably a little anime only scene. With the grand total of 66 pages being adapted, they may cut or shorten a few of the dialogues but nothing big should be cut. For reference Wit studio snk season 3 part 2 episode 8 adapted "that day" and "Borderline" both chapter 87 & 88, 45 pages for each chapter with a grand total of 90 pages! And wit cut out a little of the dialogue but nothing major was cut, btw its the same script writer from previous seasons s1 - to present, so its not like this person is new to all this and therefore we should not be worried as I pointed out to to others this is one thing that would not change if Wit studio was still the one animating snk as it we would be getting the said pacing. |
keragammingDec 14, 2020 8:25 AM
chiearlymorning said: keragamming said: One episode is more than enough, hence why the rearrangement in the first place. They rearrange the scenes to make next episode a all flashback episode. Next episode will adapt the rest of chapter 94 which is about 16 pages, all of chapter 95 which is 45 pages and 5 pages of chapter 97, with probably a little anime only scene. With the grand total of 66 pages being adapted, they may cut or shorten a few of the dialogues but nothing big should be cut. For reference Wit studio snk season 3 part 2 episode 8 adapted "that day" and Borderline both chapter 87 & 88, 45 pages for each chapter with a grand total of 90 pages! And wit cut out a little of the dialogue but nothing major was cut, btw its the same script from previous seasons s1 - to present, so its not like this person is new to all this and therefore we should not be worried as I pointed out to to others this is one thing that would not change if Wit studio was still the one animating snk as it we would be getting the said pacing. Hey, personally I really didn't like "That Day". The previous episode "The Basement" was really slow and emotional and then this episode was just a big info dump with no pauses to let the info about Ymir Fritz sink in. This was supposed to be the most important episode in aot but just felt weightless. Well the point is, next week episode will not adapt the same amount of pages as that one, so the pacing overall will be better, they may even have room to add anime original scenes. |
Blackkatsu001 said: @keragamming Do you think "declaration of war" in episode 5 is a good thing/pacing ? Yes, episode will definitely end at chapter 98. Just keep in mind that not every single dialogue will be there, they will do some cut and simple make it to the point. Just like in this episode where. Its best you have in your mind that somethings or dialogue will be cut. |
The situation right now: I just realized that I should've put live-action instead of real life. However. |
mafd12Dec 14, 2020 11:26 AM
mafd12 said: The situation right now: I just realized that I should've put live-action instead of real life. However. This is exactly what I thought during the rotoscoped scenes and Hollywood inspired camera movements tbh. I wasn't expecting them to do experimental and unorthodox stuff, for anime standards of course. |
keragamming said: Blackkatsu001 said: Guys im really worried about the pacing. One episode isn't sufficient at all to adapt all reiner's flashback, especially when leakers are saying declaration of war will happen in ep5. One episode is more than enough, hence why the rearrangement in the first place. They rearrange the scenes to make next episode a all flashback episode. Next episode will adapt the rest of chapter 94 which is about 16 pages, all of chapter 95 which is 45 pages and 5 pages of chapter 97, with probably a little anime only scene. With the grand total of 66 pages being adapted, they may cut or shorten a few of the dialogues but nothing big should be cut. For reference Wit studio snk season 3 part 2 episode 8 adapted "that day" and "Borderline" both chapter 87 & 88, 45 pages for each chapter with a grand total of 90 pages! And wit cut out a little of the dialogue but nothing major was cut, btw its the same script writer from previous seasons s1 - to present, so its not like this person is new to all this and therefore we should not be worried as I pointed out to to others this is one thing that would not change if Wit studio was still the one animating snk as it we would be getting the said pacing. I think you're a little off there. There actually might be pacing issues next episode. Looking at the manga, Reiner's flashback is about half of 94, half of 95, the entirety of 96, and half of 97. Now if they didn't adapt any of 97, then it would be fine. But the preview for next episode already showed scenes from chapter 97. So I'm not sure how they're gonna handle that. |
WillofFire700 said: keragamming said: One episode is more than enough, hence why the rearrangement in the first place. They rearrange the scenes to make next episode a all flashback episode. Next episode will adapt the rest of chapter 94 which is about 16 pages, all of chapter 95 which is 45 pages and 5 pages of chapter 97, with probably a little anime only scene. With the grand total of 66 pages being adapted, they may cut or shorten a few of the dialogues but nothing big should be cut. For reference Wit studio snk season 3 part 2 episode 8 adapted "that day" and "Borderline" both chapter 87 & 88, 45 pages for each chapter with a grand total of 90 pages! And wit cut out a little of the dialogue but nothing major was cut, btw its the same script writer from previous seasons s1 - to present, so its not like this person is new to all this and therefore we should not be worried as I pointed out to to others this is one thing that would not change if Wit studio was still the one animating snk as it we would be getting the said pacing. I think you're a little off there. There actually might be pacing issues next episode. Looking at the manga, Reiner's flashback is about half of 94, half of 95, the entirety of 96, and half of 97. Now if they didn't adapt any of 97, then it would be fine. But the preview for next episode already showed scenes from chapter 97. So I'm not sure how they're gonna handle that. Yeah you are right the rest of 95 needs to be adapted too, but in the end it will be the same amount of content as season 3 part 2 episode 8 and as I said not everything will be there, they will cut some parts. |
| will the next episode be directed by hayashi? |
ThatShiny_Hex said: I'm surprised that noone talked about OD's fleet about the next episode here. Apparently, we getting Hobo eren in the next episode Contradicts the (official) summaries, so it's gotta be a tease to the actual scenes themselves. Such as Hobo watching as Falco walks past him or something |
TheCloverfield said: ThatShiny_Hex said: I'm surprised that noone talked about OD's fleet about the next episode here. Apparently, we getting Hobo eren in the next episode Contradicts the (official) summaries, so it's gotta be a tease to the actual scenes themselves. Such as Hobo watching as Falco walks past him or something I realized we should spoiler tag this |
| Hey random question, when will we know the staff for episode 3? Or do we know it already? |
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