Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (light novel)
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| A really interesting episode, quite dark in many moments even |
| Not happy endings is one thing, My favourite anime is Fate/Zero and that's pretty tragic for everyone involved. However when she sees two people already falling victim to the flower field, I don't know why she doesn't use her magic to burn the whole place down. I doubt it would take her much time or effort to do so and it would save the rest of the town at least. |
Azukano said: Blue_Maroon said: I haven’t read the LN either, but I am not getting a “character study” approach from this anime. If we are being honest, we do not know too much about Elaina’s character right now and we are 3 episodes deep. If the focus of the anime shifts to Elaina’s character and the psychology behind her actions, then that would make sense as a narrative concept and save this anime in my eyes. But, if it remains focused on the world and the different characters within it, then I view Elaina’s apathetic actions to be as an irredeemable flaw because we are supposed to like her as our protagonist then. I totally understand your view. And we definitely don't know what is yet to come. But I just feel that all this hate is too early to assume that she's apathetic in my eyes. And tbh, I know that she'll reveal the psychology behind her actions as the series progresses. But still, there are many protagonists in anime where they aren't supposed to be moral people. Take Light Yagami from "Death Note" as an example, or even Tanya Degurechaff from "Youjo Senki". We may be different in this, but I welcome the concept of a protagonist that is neither "good or bad". It makes them interesting to see how they handle situations. I get what you’re saying too. We’ll just have to see how the rest of the amine turns out. Cheers. |
| I'm really confused... why is everyone so upset with Elaina? Yes, these two short stories didn't have happy endings and she didn't do smth to force one, but what exactly did y'all want her to do? The flower field is obviously a magic creature far more powerful than her. The flowers were easily burned when they were cut off, but who says it would be that easy when they are still attached to the entire creature/field? Elaina might've not lived picking a fight with such an entity, especially cause it absorbs magic. She also can't just fly around and kill creatures/entities just cause they happen to eat other living things. That's like loving bunnies and killing every fox/wolf etc. cause they eat them (obviously not a great comparison, cause she is a human herself and these flowers consume humans, but I imagine the world she lives in has different rules than ours when it comes to man eaters). Attacking a human to save a slave is also risky. Slavery is horrible and thankfully no longer legal in most countries in our world, but it seems to be a thing in this fictional one. Elaina can't just hurt/kill someone cause they have a slave. Don't get me wrong, the chief was a disgusting piece of trash, but sadly Elaina hurting or killing him would've probably backfired big time. That being said, ofc I would have loved a happy ending for both of these stories and wanted to see that fat idiot burn lmao. But blaming Elaina ain't it. She's not perfect or smth, but it's understandable she didn't interfere. |
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MrAwesome2018 said: Nino came out of the fat bastard's room still getting dressed... the moment he stepped out of the door, I was like "wait... didn't nino come out of that door too? WHY IS HE COMING OUT OF IT TOO???" And with his malicious stares towards Elaina and the way he talked about Nino, I felt so fucking bad for Nino |
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| I like how the character is kind of self serving and proud, it fits with her character, in EP 2 she talked about how she had to do everything alone. So she isn't given to relying on others nor rushing in to put herself into other peoples problems, she's just on a journey to see the world. |
| Really liked this episode! Wow! |
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hazarddex said: she knew the story behind the flowers and she knew the plants were dangerous, but she did it anyways. ... in the LN she knew the entire story and how it ended and still did it. Wow, so I just read the translation of the light novel and manga. She didn't know or suspect at all that the flowers were dangerous prior to entering the city and meeting the guards. You just love to pass these little lies don't you? Lying to fuel the hate of a fictional character, smh. |
| Not sure what the whole plant things was for? nothing most likely from the anime perpespertive but 2nd part was kinda wholesome tho |
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salarx said: Go watch your usual Shonen this actually is a shonen  so is death note actually and nanoha is seinen Troll326 said: I don't understand what people want her to do about the plant monster, maybe put up signs "Stay away from pretty flowers" i mean we are told witches are not affected. and She DOES have fire magic. Mod Note: Removed first part |
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| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| I think that this is wonderful, many anime with happy endings and finally one that shows the cruel reality, people must understand the situation in which you are or perhaps you would try to risk your life on a person you do not know when it can no longer be done nothing to save him, be aware of that. Maybe the flowers thing could do something but we don't know if she could get rid of the field flowers, maybe the magic consumed him too much that those flowers are already immortal, when you can do something you do it but if you can't do it, you have to pass by and continue on your way and not go where it does not suit you. |
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Revillo_Phoenix said: Not happy endings is one thing, My favourite anime is Fate/Zero and that's pretty tragic for everyone involved. However when she sees two people already falling victim to the flower field, I don't know why she doesn't use her magic to burn the whole place down. I doubt it would take her much time or effort to do so and it would save the rest of the town at least. Well the plants were poisonous to regular humans so, wouldn't burning the whole fricking field... kinda doom them anyway? Just my theory why she hasn't done anything. Blue_Maroon said: I agree with that statement, but that just highlights my point even more. Most people don’t say the same shit that they say online in person because they lack the confidence in themselves to act tough in person. But, if those same keyboard warriors had the same amount of power that Elaina has, they would be more likely to talk their shit in person. Following this logic, they would likely help out the people in the anime because it would be of no real danger to themselves and would save lives. Thinking about it, even if I had the powers, I would've done nothing. The mayor deserved death IMO sure, but: leaving a kid without a father(shitty as he may be), leaving a village without a mayor(sure, can be fixed easily), possibly making the whole village hate witches > might spread to different cities, and leaving a slave all alone? Too many if's and what not... She made a good decision. People gotta stop SJWing about fictional stuff jesus. |
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Cruwz said: Revillo_Phoenix said: Not happy endings is one thing, My favourite anime is Fate/Zero and that's pretty tragic for everyone involved. However when she sees two people already falling victim to the flower field, I don't know why she doesn't use her magic to burn the whole place down. I doubt it would take her much time or effort to do so and it would save the rest of the town at least. Well the plants were poisonous to regular humans so, wouldn't burning the whole fricking field... kinda doom them anyway? Just my theory why she hasn't done anything. Blue_Maroon said: I agree with that statement, but that just highlights my point even more. Most people don’t say the same shit that they say online in person because they lack the confidence in themselves to act tough in person. But, if those same keyboard warriors had the same amount of power that Elaina has, they would be more likely to talk their shit in person. Following this logic, they would likely help out the people in the anime because it would be of no real danger to themselves and would save lives. Thinking about it, even if I had the powers, I would've done nothing. The mayor deserved death IMO sure, but: leaving a kid without a father(shitty as he may be), leaving a village without a mayor(sure, can be fixed easily), possibly making the whole village hate witches > might spread to different cities, and leaving a slave all alone? Too many if's and what not... She made a good decision. People gotta stop SJWing about fictional stuff jesus. How about just taking the girl out of slavery? I doubt that would cause too much trouble. She then could have taken her on her journey or placed her in an orphanage. All would be better than being enslaved, constantly r*ped, and implied suicide. This isn’t SJWing, it is just about doing the right thing. |
Blue_Maroon said: Cruwz said: Well the plants were poisonous to regular humans so, wouldn't burning the whole fricking field... kinda doom them anyway? Just my theory why she hasn't done anything. Thinking about it, even if I had the powers, I would've done nothing. The mayor deserved death IMO sure, but: leaving a kid without a father(shitty as he may be), leaving a village without a mayor(sure, can be fixed easily), possibly making the whole village hate witches > might spread to different cities, and leaving a slave all alone? Too many if's and what not... She made a good decision. People gotta stop SJWing about fictional stuff jesus. How about just taking the girl out of slavery? I doubt that would cause too much trouble. She then could have taken her on her journey or placed her in an orphanage. All would be better than being enslaved, constantly r*ped, and implied suicide. This isn’t SJWing, it is just about doing the right thing. I had this conversation with so many people and i'll gladly repeat it lol, but how? How will she get the girl out of slavery without harming herself and her reputation? There are so many people who criticize her about making a immoral decision yet no could actually come up with a way that actually works as i search around for people's opinion. An example is that if you save Nino, it doesn't make a difference as the Mayor will just get another slave; all it does is make a higher demand for slaves. if a slight word got out, she might be unable to access cities in the future which could be life threatening in emergences and there's really no place for Nino to go... |
PetrichoOct 22, 2020 7:03 PM
Lustrius said: Blue_Maroon said: How about just taking the girl out of slavery? I doubt that would cause too much trouble. She then could have taken her on her journey or placed her in an orphanage. All would be better than being enslaved, constantly r*ped, and implied suicide. This isn’t SJWing, it is just about doing the right thing. I had this conversation with so many people and i'll gladly repeat it lol, but how? How will she get the girl out of slavery without harming herself and her reputation? There are so many people who criticize her about making a immoral decision yet no could actually come up with a way that actually works as i search around for people's opinion. An example is that if you save Nino, it doesn't make a difference as the Mayor will just get another slave; all it does is make a higher demand for slaves. if a slight word got out, she might be unable to access cities in the future which could be life threatening in emergences and there's really no place for Nino to go... 1. Even if the Mayor gets another slave, at least she saved one. 2. This appeared to be a very small village and the towns don’t seem very connected, so I doubt too much word would get out. 3. The Mayor said he got Nino while he was in the far East, meaning that is the closest place he can get slaves. Given that it is far away and if Elaina were to threaten to kill him if he were to get another slave, he would likely not get another one. 4. It appears that witches get special privaliges and they have yet to show a police force outside of specific cities, meaning it is every town for themself. 5. Because the closest place to get slaves is the far East, it is likely frowned upon to own slaves in that country, which means even if word did get out that Elaina freed someone’s slave, most people likely would not care. |
| Damn, this episode was pretty dark and sad, didn't expect to see this here. I was really hoping that she would save her...and that monologue at the end, she clearly will kill herself :/ C'mon, how this even happened? Like why didn't she help her? And what was that ending of the 1st part of the episode? The flower zombies? Were invading the castle and they jump to a different scene? What? |
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Blue_Maroon said: Lustrius said: I had this conversation with so many people and i'll gladly repeat it lol, but how? How will she get the girl out of slavery without harming herself and her reputation? There are so many people who criticize her about making a immoral decision yet no could actually come up with a way that actually works as i search around for people's opinion. An example is that if you save Nino, it doesn't make a difference as the Mayor will just get another slave; all it does is make a higher demand for slaves. if a slight word got out, she might be unable to access cities in the future which could be life threatening in emergences and there's really no place for Nino to go... 1. Even if the Mayor gets another slave, at least she saved one. 2. This appeared to be a very small village and the towns don’t seem very connected, so I doubt too much word would get out. 3. The Mayor said he got Nino while he was in the far East, meaning that is the closest place he can get slaves. Given that it is far away and if Elaina were to threaten to kill him if he were to get another slave, he would likely not get another one. 4. It appears that witches get special privaliges and they have yet to show a police force outside of specific cities, meaning it is every town for themself. 5. Because the closest place to get slaves is the far East, it is likely frowned upon to own slaves in that country, which means even if word did get out that Elaina freed someone’s slave, most people likely would not care. 1. So... you're fine with sacrificing one person for another? Even though she has nothing to do with their business, she has the right to make that decision and implement it? She doesn't. Also, this time, the mayor may decide to get a harem instead so essentially, you might make the situation even worse by sacrificing a group of people just for Nino, who you just met today... 2. "I got this slave from the far east" This just proves that the mayor doesn't stay in just this town all his life - that means he can easily spread a rumor about a silvered haired witch threatening anyone who owns a slave and/or doesn't coincide with her morals. This is a bad reputation no matter how you look at it. Also, it's not that hard for other adventurers to hear the word as they come pass this village, and there may be other family members in other cities: easy way to spread rumors. Rumors also get distorted over time so it might make the situation sound worse than it already is... Overall, if a slight rumor or a slight chance of a rumor goes out, her adventuring carrier can be cut short. 3.That's a complete speculation... a quite far fetched one too... he might've went east for vacation and got a slave while he was there, or he might've felt that he wanted a slave from the far east rather than a local one (he might've preferred a far eastern women rather than a local) etc. Even though mine are also speculation, at least it's far less unrealistic as just because he got one from the far east, that's the nearest slave shop. Even if what you said is true, why would he stop to get another one? He's rich, and doesn't have a wife; distance won't stop him from getting another. I won't be surprised that to make sure another situation like this doesn't happen again, he'll get a dozen more so it'll be much harder for them to escape, making the lives of a dozen worse. 4. So? If you hear a silver haired witch adventurer who threatens any slave owner and anyone who doesn't agree with her morals, and your country just happens to have slave owners i doubt they'll let her in. It's true a witch get's special privileges but that doesn't mean they'll allow every witch. 5. Like i said, just because a slave owner decides to get a slave from the far east, it doesn't mean there are no slaves in other towns. Actually, because slavery is legal here, it's a higher chance that other larger cities close to this small town also have slaves. |
PetrichoOct 23, 2020 5:55 AM
Lustrius said: Blue_Maroon said: 1. Even if the Mayor gets another slave, at least she saved one. 2. This appeared to be a very small village and the towns don’t seem very connected, so I doubt too much word would get out. 3. The Mayor said he got Nino while he was in the far East, meaning that is the closest place he can get slaves. Given that it is far away and if Elaina were to threaten to kill him if he were to get another slave, he would likely not get another one. 4. It appears that witches get special privaliges and they have yet to show a police force outside of specific cities, meaning it is every town for themself. 5. Because the closest place to get slaves is the far East, it is likely frowned upon to own slaves in that country, which means even if word did get out that Elaina freed someone’s slave, most people likely would not care. 1. So... you're fine with sacrificing one person for another? Even though she has nothing to do with their business, she has the right to make that decision and implement it? She doesn't. Also, this time, the mayor may decide to get a harem instead so essentially, you might make the situation even worse by sacrificing a group of people just for Nino, who you just met today... 2. "I got this slave from the far east" This just proves that the mayor doesn't stay in just this town all his life - that means he can easily spread a rumor about a silvered haired witch threatening anyone who owns a slave and/or doesn't coincide with her morals. This is a bad reputation no matter how you look at it. Also, it's not that hard for other adventurers to hear the word as they come pass this village, and there may be other family members in other cities: easy way to spread rumors. Rumors also get distorted over time so it might make the situation sound worse than it already is... Overall, if a slight rumor or a slight chance of a rumor goes out, her adventuring carrier can be cut short. 3.That's a complete speculation... a quite far fetched one too... he might've went east for vacation and got a slave while he was there, or he might've felt that he wanted a slave from the far east rather than a local one (he might've preferred a far eastern women rather than a local) etc. Even though mine are also speculation, at least it's far less unrealistic as just because he got one from the far east, that's the nearest slave shop. Even if what you said is true, why would he stop to get another one? He's rich, and doesn't have a wife; distance won't stop him from getting another. I won't be surprised that to make sure another situation like this doesn't happen again, he'll get a dozen more so it'll be much harder for them to escape, making the lives of a dozen worse. 4. So? If you hear a silver haired witch adventurer who threatens any slave owner and anyone who doesn't agree with her morals, and your country just happens to have slave owners i doubt they'll let her in. It's true a witch get's special privileges but that doesn't mean they'll allow every witch. 5. Like i said, just because a slave owner decides to get a slave from the far east, it doesn't mean there are no slaves in other towns. Actually, because slavery is legal here, it's a higher chance that other larger cities close to this small town also have slaves. So if the Mayor just decided to get a slave on a whim while traveling, he probably would not be determined enough to get another one (or a whole harem) if Elaina just threatened to kill him if she finds out that he got another one. It wouldn’t be worth the risk if he didn’t NEED one before. Also, I don’t think this one Mayor is sungle-handedly driving this slave market. It’s not like the demand for slaves really increases because his one slave was freed. I understand what I said about the nearest place to get slaves is the far East was pretty speculative, but that was more to preemptively attack the argument that the Mayor really wanted a slave to begin with. The logic still stands that he wouldn’t get another slave if he was threatened. I think you bring up a good point about word potentially spreading because the Mayor is shown to travel on occassion. However, I still do not think it would matter because Witches are given special treatment. Her access to cities would not be restricted because she is pretty much above the law, not endangering those around her, and could provide reasonable doubt to his accusation that she freed his slave. The Mayor has no real proof anyways and she has more authority on a country-wide level than a small village Mayor. Tbh, I don’t even want tocontinue this argument, but I will if you would like to. In the end, we may just have to wait and see more about what this world is actually like. |
Blue_Maroon said: Lustrius said: 1. So... you're fine with sacrificing one person for another? Even though she has nothing to do with their business, she has the right to make that decision and implement it? She doesn't. Also, this time, the mayor may decide to get a harem instead so essentially, you might make the situation even worse by sacrificing a group of people just for Nino, who you just met today... 2. "I got this slave from the far east" This just proves that the mayor doesn't stay in just this town all his life - that means he can easily spread a rumor about a silvered haired witch threatening anyone who owns a slave and/or doesn't coincide with her morals. This is a bad reputation no matter how you look at it. Also, it's not that hard for other adventurers to hear the word as they come pass this village, and there may be other family members in other cities: easy way to spread rumors. Rumors also get distorted over time so it might make the situation sound worse than it already is... Overall, if a slight rumor or a slight chance of a rumor goes out, her adventuring carrier can be cut short. 3.That's a complete speculation... a quite far fetched one too... he might've went east for vacation and got a slave while he was there, or he might've felt that he wanted a slave from the far east rather than a local one (he might've preferred a far eastern women rather than a local) etc. Even though mine are also speculation, at least it's far less unrealistic as just because he got one from the far east, that's the nearest slave shop. Even if what you said is true, why would he stop to get another one? He's rich, and doesn't have a wife; distance won't stop him from getting another. I won't be surprised that to make sure another situation like this doesn't happen again, he'll get a dozen more so it'll be much harder for them to escape, making the lives of a dozen worse. 4. So? If you hear a silver haired witch adventurer who threatens any slave owner and anyone who doesn't agree with her morals, and your country just happens to have slave owners i doubt they'll let her in. It's true a witch get's special privileges but that doesn't mean they'll allow every witch. 5. Like i said, just because a slave owner decides to get a slave from the far east, it doesn't mean there are no slaves in other towns. Actually, because slavery is legal here, it's a higher chance that other larger cities close to this small town also have slaves. So if the Mayor just decided to get a slave on a whim while traveling, he probably would not be determined enough to get another one (or a whole harem) if Elaina just threatened to kill him if she finds out that he got another one. It wouldn’t be worth the risk if he didn’t NEED one before. Also, I don’t think this one Mayor is sungle-handedly driving this slave market. It’s not like the demand for slaves really increases because his one slave was freed. I understand what I said about the nearest place to get slaves is the far East was pretty speculative, but that was more to preemptively attack the argument that the Mayor really wanted a slave to begin with. The logic still stands that he wouldn’t get another slave if he was threatened. I think you bring up a good point about word potentially spreading because the Mayor is shown to travel on occassion. However, I still do not think it would matter because Witches are given special treatment. Her access to cities would not be restricted because she is pretty much above the law, not endangering those around her, and could provide reasonable doubt to his accusation that she freed his slave. The Mayor has no real proof anyways and she has more authority on a country-wide level than a small village Mayor. Tbh, I don’t even want tocontinue this argument, but I will if you would like to. In the end, we may just have to wait and see more about what this world is actually like. It's true a witch gets special treatment but they aren't above the law. A city can block a witch from accessing a city if they want. They aren't obligated to let anyone in, especially a witch with bad rumors. Remember in the first half of episode 3? Where the guard called the witch a "kid" or something like that, and used force to try to restrict her access into the city? This proves they aren't above the law, so a witch with a bad rumor of threatening to kill anyone with slaves wants access into your city and you have a slaves in your country, they will not let you in. So this proof right here just completely debunks your whole "just threaten him" answer. Even if witches are above the law, who would want a bad rumor about yourself all across the country, just to save a slave you don't even know and won't ever meet again after? She won't and shouldn't sacrifice her whole reputation and possible enjoyment over her entire adventure for a stranger she doesn't even know. Also, you don't even know if the mayor will get another or not just by her empty threats too. The mayor has enough proof: he doesn't have a slave anymore and his son witnessed the whole thing. Yeah, i don't really want to either, i just hate people who drop the show or give it a below 5 rating just because of a single episode which doesn't coincide with their moral standards. |
PetrichoOct 23, 2020 11:14 AM
Lustrius said: Blue_Maroon said: So if the Mayor just decided to get a slave on a whim while traveling, he probably would not be determined enough to get another one (or a whole harem) if Elaina just threatened to kill him if she finds out that he got another one. It wouldn’t be worth the risk if he didn’t NEED one before. Also, I don’t think this one Mayor is sungle-handedly driving this slave market. It’s not like the demand for slaves really increases because his one slave was freed. I understand what I said about the nearest place to get slaves is the far East was pretty speculative, but that was more to preemptively attack the argument that the Mayor really wanted a slave to begin with. The logic still stands that he wouldn’t get another slave if he was threatened. I think you bring up a good point about word potentially spreading because the Mayor is shown to travel on occassion. However, I still do not think it would matter because Witches are given special treatment. Her access to cities would not be restricted because she is pretty much above the law, not endangering those around her, and could provide reasonable doubt to his accusation that she freed his slave. The Mayor has no real proof anyways and she has more authority on a country-wide level than a small village Mayor. Tbh, I don’t even want tocontinue this argument, but I will if you would like to. In the end, we may just have to wait and see more about what this world is actually like. It's true a witch gets special treatment but they aren't above the law. A city can block a witch from accessing a city if they want. They aren't obligated to let anyone in, especially a witch with bad rumors. Remember in the first half of episode 3? Where the guard called the witch a "kid" or something like that, and used force to try to restrict her access into the city? This proves they aren't above the law, so a witch with a bad rumor of threatening to kill anyone with slaves wants access into your city and you have a slaves in your country, they will not let you in. So this proof right here just completely debunks your whole "just threaten him" answer. Even if witches are above the law, who would want a bad rumor about yourself all across the country, just to save a slave you don't even know and won't ever meet again after? She won't and shouldn't sacrifice her whole reputation and possible enjoyment over her entire adventure for a stranger she doesn't even know. Also, you don't even know if the mayor will get another or not just by her empty threats too. The mayor has enough proof: he doesn't have a slave anymore and his son witnessed the whole thing. Yeah, i don't really want to either, i just hate people who drop the show or give it a below 5 rating just because of a single episode which doesn't coincide with their moral standards. If we are being honest, it could have gone either way depending on what the writer would have decided. I respect your take on this and can appreciate that you are giving it some logical thought. I actually have the show at a 6 right now, so I haven’t given up on it yet. Cheers. |
| Great episode. Pretty sad too but I liked it a lot. Almost like Kino no Tabi, maybe even better. She doesn't intervene into other people's things, she's just observer, that's all. The first story was good I really liked the mood and melancholy (although bit short I guess). The second story was even better, and it was nice how everything was tied to the fairytale she read before. To think that the slave girl was the sister of Saya she met in episode 2, that was pretty bittersweet end. |
ShiroHachi said: What will happen to Nino after that? It's likely the same as what happened to the wife in that story, yeah, most likely she will kill herself Skipped scene, Elaina's monologue in the LN : I think you are right. At the end they focus in they're shadows, the boy's shadow is dark. But Nino's shadow is very week almost transparent, as if Nino is already half gone! |
This amount of people complaining about elaina in this thread... |
LeonhartAugustOct 24, 2020 1:59 AM
| A very different episode than the previous two. In a realistic vein, you can't always fix the world around you. Elaina didn't try and that is fine. I actually like this episode better than the second one......Saya is long off in a faraway universe selling used cars...I hope. |
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| wtf.... Elaina is like Ginko if Ginko was incompetent and did nothing |
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| Wtf is this shit? Never expected this show to infuriate me... 1) We have a story about a girl turning to a plant and the guy who shares the same fate. Plus a zombie army invading town? 2) Slave girl who's most likely getting raped and most likely ends up killing herself. MC just Fucks off in both cases, and with a "whatever, not my problem" expression on her stupid face. Wtf? I do understand that this show is supposed to be about a traveler who sees both good and bad shit in the world. But is that all? They do suck at making the show entertaining. Like, wtf was the whole flower-thing story at the start? Why did it feel like some random 5min shit? What about the MC of this story??? What's so important and noteworthy about her being a witch? so that she can fly everywhere confidently? so that she can protect herself and only herself? repair shit once in a while? Enjoy being praised for being a witch? I was dumbstruck with 1/100 empathy this trash MC shows, it's disgusting. At this point I don't even care what the mages represent in this world? Are they bound by laws? are they above the law in some cases? They do enjoy great benefits for sure so who finances them and why the world even needs them? - Shouldn't they benefit society? Are they monitored? MC is a heartless, self-centered moron. Even if she couldn't save the slave girl because of LAW-related-reasons (just like in the US you couldn't just steal slaves just because you felt sorry for the blacks); why didn't she try to at least stop the guy from turning into a plant? warn the town about a giant fucking field so no new victims happen? If's she's a weak-ass wizard who can't do shit about it, shouldn't she perhaps inform some top-wizard-society or whatever the fuck has power to deal with the obvious threat? No? Let's just fuck off to the next village? This is basically her seeing that a volcano is about to erupt and has no power or confidence to prevent it, thus simply writes a note in a diary and fucks off elsewhere???? Add her Mary-sue personality to the whole "just minding my own business" mix and you have one unrelatable, dislikeable, trash MC. At this point I wonder how people can actually enjoy this show with such disgusting MC it centers on? Do we need a show to remind us about trash reality we live in? Why plague fiction, such as THIS, with "shit happens, what you gonna do?" scenarios? why? walk outside your house to see injustice in LIVE. If you put this crap in the show, at least make it somewhat relatable; or a MC relatable. I would have tolerated her inability to save the slave-girl if not for "I'll just pretend I never saw this shit" - THE END! MC, unlike many people CAN make a difference. She's powerful, yet she ISNT'T EVEN TRYING. People like her don't deserve to possess magic. This is one of the cases where you'd want to see the MC enjoy Karma one day. Hopefully she's one day attacked by a monster she can't beat or flee from; suddenly sees a top-level mage passing around and pleads for help. Yet, as she's about to die, the top-level mage whispers from a distance: "I could help you, know? but I don't feel like it"/"too tired"/"whatever...the laws of nature babe..." Nothing disgust me more than people with TALENT who waste said talent on CRAP like traveling the world and ignoring problems that they can FIX with VERY LITTLE effort. who the fuck even cares about her travels anyways? Someday, someone will read her diary and be like: 1)day#68 - today i saw beautiful field of flowers. 2)day#78 - today i saw a slave who's getting raped and will kill herself - sucks to be her. 3)day#79 - today i ate delicious pancakes yum :)! can't wait to have more fun tomorrow! wtf??? In MC's case, she's basically using magic to repair shit and FLY, and defend self! YES, she became a witch for a sole purpose to travel the world, and NO, nobody expects her to be Jesus saving the world, but the MC is way too uninspiring, simple, cardboard-cut. At least that's the case with me. They should at least make the MC feel emotion. It's disgusting how she, at her age is just brushing off the injustices of the world while happily meeting the next day as if nothing? How can you relate or enjoy show with a robot, disguised as a human, traveling the world. I've decided to drop this show. Can't force myself to watch this abominable, cold-hearted MC. But, there are people who enjoy degenerates such as Logan Paul traveling the world for instance, so... |
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BenDTU said: My thoughts exactly. Considering the fact that MC of this show barely impacts the world. The entire show kind of loses sense. I mean, what is there to see at this point? Random good and bad moments in some random magical world? I am *very* confused as to what the takeaway from this episode was meant to be, other than “Sometimes things are real bad”. Feels like it just went “Here are two real bad situations that are real bad. Like woah look how bad they are. Anyway moving on”. |
BenDTU said: I am *very* confused as to what the takeaway from this episode was meant to be, other than “Sometimes things are real bad”. Feels like it just went “Here are two real bad situations that are real bad. Like woah look how bad they are. Anyway moving on”. The takeaway was "sometimes good deeds may have undesirable outcomes". It was meant to make the audience think a little bit to analyze a situation before doing something. |
BenDTU said: So by this show's logic we should never help anyone with anything because out of our own ignorance we might make the situation worse? Like in the first situation Elaine straight up had no way of knowing what was up with the flowers, and in the second the kid was just young and ignorant. There’s no “Oh they could have done X” in either, just two straight up terrible situations in which nobody could have really done anything better. It’s hardly a cautionary tale, it just sort of shrugs and moves on. NO. The show explicitly emphasizes this by saying that good deeds may not lead to positive outcomes. That is not to say we shouldn't do anything at all (which is an extreme that the statement does not support), it's to suggest that there may be a negative outcome associated with a good deed (and by extension it is advisable for anyone to think through what they are doing first before doing it). |
| After this episode I just realized this is not my type of show. I don't expect Elena to help everyone she meets, clearly is not that type of show, but... Regarding the incident with the plants... She saw the guy and maybe could've saved him, or at least warned the town. It wouldn't take much of her time - the guy was right there in front of her and the town was nearby -, but her reaction was just going and saying "Yeah, whatever". I disliked her personality from the beginning since she's all like "Yeah, that was too easy, I was the best of them all." I felt for her when she cried during her training, but goddammit, I feel like she needs to suffer or whatever. It feels like she's a sociopath or something. |
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BenDTU said: Opticflash said: It's to suggest that there may be a negative outcome associated with a good deed (and by extension it is advisable for anyone to think through what they are doing first before doing it). That might be what they were going for, but in both these situations there’s no obvious “Here’s what they should have done better” situation. Elaine had no way of knowing those were poisonous flowers, and the kid is clearly too young and naive to know any better. They’re both just sucky situations that neither were in a position to handle better, in which the characters are punished for their ignorant kindness. There’s no profound statement being made, it’s just a morbidly pessimistic way to look at the world. I’m baffled as to how many comments here are basically just “Too many anime are happy, I’m glad we got one that isn’t”. Like do people enjoy being miserable? You're right in that there were no clear resolutions, however that would defeat the purpose of the theme. The author's intentions wouldn't be as strong if something positive came out of it because the message would less likely stick to the viewer. Instead the viewer was given a morbid situation to ponder on. This is partly why the scenes were to powerful in delivering the theme. You are of course free to not enjoy this kind of story telling. For instance, some people may not enjoy horror shows, however horror is thrilling to many. It's not that people enjoy being miserable, but that it's a different spin to the usual themes, that gives them something to think about and reflect on that people appreciate. |
Hanfos said: Nilvius said: Elaina just wanted to travel and see the world, that's pretty much it. Just so happens she's also talented. Basically, I see it more like Kino no Tabi, she's a traveler or more specifically, an observer and an outsider; she's just passing through and it's not really in her 'right' to interfere even if it came across as cold. With the zombie plant, you could argue that she could use her magic to firebomb the flower field but with the slave girl, the situation is much more complex. Kill the village chief? Just snatch the slave and run away and risk the village chief using his position to paint a target on the witch wherever she goes? How's she going to handle or take care of her after that etc. Also, the chief's kid is completely ignorant of her plight. There's no easy solution here. This isn't a typical battle manga where you beat down the enemies and move on. And I disagree with it being a cliffhanger. It implies just enough about the endings. The people are most likely fucked by the zombie flowers while even if the slave girl didn't commit suicide, the meaning is still delivered: she's become even more miserable. yea i mainly mean those flowers she could just kill them with fire and no one would blame her for that that saving the slave would have needed more eps is sure since it would have created drama but my main problem is that i see no reason why this show was even created The MC is completely useless, sadistic and narcissistic and then we get short pointless stories which act like they would have a deep meaning but actually they are stale af Touche. I am also in the negative side, so I'm just going to see people live in the misery and go on? Okay that sound reasonable, she is just a mage that doesn't care of anyone but herself that wants to be strong for her own happiness. A person who is so apathetic is not my style but since I do not usually drop the series, I will see it until the end, I would like to say that she did not think it could get worse but I doubt that is the case. About what could she have done, yup burning the flower field sounds good (lets avoid the topic of contamination for now), about Nino probably scare the owner to death or something? (it sound ridiculous but is a common cliché for this type of setting, of course when the MC actually care). I will love to see this anime series rating drop. Actual rating: 7.62 |
| I like to post in manga forum when I feel it is worth it, so people will think. "Shit, is her again" or something. People asked me where I read certain thing but the rules say no telling where did you read so maybe I am too boring for not saying? Or salty because you didn't check my profile that says don't ask because I hate people to ghost me after that. I love learning languages so maybe I did not read the manga in English. |
Arlos703 said: Why did you assume a bunch of mindless zombie is a danger for a witch who studied from a grand witch from a faaaar country? You see her fights between Elaina and her teacher right? She is capable to save the city. Whatever, she just a selfish moderator lol. Probably drop this anime. So are you gonna drop it? |
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